Kentucky Basketball: Jerry Tipton Angers UK Fans Again
This article by Jerry Tipton has provoked outrage on several of the UK fan sites. Of course, Tipton predictably finds ways to outrage many in the Big Blue Nation.
After having read the piece, there is relatively little controversial about it except for this one paragraph:
The NCAA ordered Calipari's Memphis team to vacate its 2008 Final Four appearance, in part, because star guard Derrick Rose was judged to have cheated on an entrance exam. Memphis is appealing the ruling.
I hate to nit-pick Jerry, but this is factually erroneous. Derrick Rose has never been "...judged to have cheated..." on an entrance exam. The NCAA ruling explicitly rejects the need for them to reach any conclusion about Rose's behavior, instead deferring to the Educational Testing Service, which canceled the exam.
But ETS did not cancel it because they "...judged [Rose] to have cheated ..." They canceled it because they found some discrepancies that ETS could not adequately explain, but which in isolation were not sufficient to make a judgment that Rose cheated.
ETS asked Rose to answer some questions about the discrepancies by mail, but Rose failed to respond. Based on Rose's failure to respond to their queries, the ETS cancelled Rose's qualifying SAT score, and on that basis alone, the NCAA declared him ineligible for the entire 2006-07 season. On the basis of alleged "gifts" to his brother, they declared Rose ineligible for most of the 2006-07 season.
For the record, here is the relevant part of the NCAA's finding in the Memphis investigation:
In its response to the allegation that student-athlete 1 engaged in unethical conduct through his knowing involvement in the fraudulent completion of his SAT, the institution wrote the following:
The only evidence known to the Institution suggesting that (student-athlete 1) did not take the May 5, 2007, SAT is that provided by (the) forensic document examiner retained by the NCAA. Even (the forensic document examiner) does not conclude definitively that (student-athlete 1) did not take the exam. She wrote only that (student-athlete 1) "probably (emphasis added) did not write the questioned hand printing or cursive writing" on the exam form. …This is not sufficient evidence for the Institution to conclude that student-athlete 1 knowingly engaged in fraudulent conduct related to the exam.Ultimately, the committee concluded that it did not need to make a determination as to whether student-athlete 1 engaged in unethical conduct as defined in NCAA Bylaw 10.1 with respect to the alleged fraudulent completion of his SAT.
Poor Jerry, he must feel like he's in that Geico commercial with the eyeballs -- only instead of being on a stack of money, they're on top of a big UK logo.
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Did he or didn't he?
Only Rose knows for sure. I don’t know. Jerry Tipton doesn’t know. Hell, the people who make the determination don’t even know. If Memphis doesn’t win its appeal, it only reinforces my belief: The NCAA is the most corrupt non-government organization in the world that doesn’t have the word Olympic in its name.
by UKCat on Oct 26, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's ...
… pretty much right. The only two people who could know for sure is Rose and his alleged accomplice, if he exists.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there
a reasonable person out there who doesn’t think Rose cheated on that test? Let’s step away from the legalese and into the real world for a minute. If Rose has proof he didn’t cheat, he certainly doesn’t care enough about his former school to provide the proof.
I feel for Memphis (I never thought I’d write that sentence, ever) because they’re all being punished for Rose’s actions.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Oct 26, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what proof have they asked for??
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 26, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’tshoot,
in answer to your question, No. I would say that most level headed realistic people probably do think there is a pretty good chance that Derrick Rose cheated (I know I do and I consider myself to be extremely level headed and realistic – for a girl : )). But, I think what the main sticking point is is that the proof has not be provided and some people live their lives around what is factual and some live their lives based on what they think. ; )
by BigSkyCat on Oct 26, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said....
i agree that i think he probably cheated, but we live in a country where your are innocent until proven guilty and he has not been proven guilty…all circumstantial at this point…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Oct 26, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How convenient.
So what you are saying is that all it takes is to refuse cooperation. If one is formally accused by the state or in this case, a regulatory agency, you can dance away by keeping quiet…by completely refusing to cooperate.
I guess folks like John Wayne Gacy should not have answered their door when the police came knocking. Good grief.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Oct 26, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now John Wall is compared to a serial killer.....
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Oct 26, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...Derrick Rose.
Follow along.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Oct 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Oct 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a regulatory agency?
This isn’t the government we’re talking about—it’s a private nonprofit corporation. No one has a duty to cooperate with a private entity absent government requirement (i.e., subpoena). This has nothing in common with a police investigation.
by chstrckwl on Oct 26, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose has no connection with the NCAA anymore.
What would be the incentive to cooperate? As you said, this isn’t the police.
by tyler cottrell on Oct 26, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah ...
… but his failure to do so really hurts Memphis, and to a lesser extent, Calipari. That may not be fair, but that’s how it is.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consider the known facts:
1. There are no witnesses who could come forth and identify the person taking the exam as other than Rose;
2. There were no known score inconsistencies that normally invalidate tests;
3. The only evidence that Rose may have cheated is the testimony of a handwriting expert, which is in no way dispositive;
4. Rose says he did not cheat, and took the test.
The question is not what we think, but what we can prove. It is not Tipton’s job to draw conclusions, it is his job to report the facts. His reporting is not a fact in this case.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#5. Derrick Rose completely and totally refused to cooperate with the investigation.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Oct 26, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Oct 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Oct 26, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you
have a 2-5 football team to worry about?
http://wildcatblueblog.com
by PJordan32746 on Oct 26, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's like me,
he’s no longer worried about that team.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Oct 26, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does ASoB support
gif images now? They wouldn’t work before :-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Oct 26, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose so ...
… I can’t imagine that it doesn’t. Maybe in it’s last iteration as a scoop blog, but I expect they work fine now.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the crux of the problem
Since the NCAA does not have subpoena power (unlike the state), it is difficult for them to “prove” many infractions, since refusing to cooperate is always a defense of sort in these cases. Thus, I agree with you that it is unreasonable to expect a level of proof equivalent to a criminal case before one can draw conclusions about the culpability of a participant.
That said, Tipton is factually incorrect, and as a professional journalist (and not an internet hero), he should be held to a high standard of accuracy.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
by NYCCats on Oct 26, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
I have no problem with anyone believing Rose to have cheated. There is enough questions about that exam to lead reasonable people to that conclusion.
It is, however, not a fact. Just as you say. And it’s important, when you are reporting a fact and not authoring an opinion to get that right.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right
and the NCAA is not a court of law. Its a private institution that governs most major college sports. When you sign up to play for a school under the rule of NCAA then you must follow their rules. The burden of proof is not on them its on you. If Rose did not submit a reasonable answer to the question that were brought to him or for that matter no answer at all, there is nothing else to do then to disqualify his score and sports wise disqualify him. It would be the same for any student athlete or non athlete. Even if a student was not on a scholarship and the score suddednly jumped up there might be questions. You have to answer them.
With all this said, this is not UK’s business. Tipton should not even be writing about this stuff. This is Memphis’ history not ours. When I read that Cal reported Camby’s infractions himself then my heart rest with assurance. Sounds simple but I just felt better about Cal after reading that. I also trust Sandy Bell. When all is said and done……..Cal is Kentucky’s coach now and its a new start for him and for us……..what has happened in the past is the past. Now is the present and the building of a future.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
by tenken on Oct 26, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I recall from an article in the Sporting News
the testing agency sent their inquiries to Chicago while Rose was attending school and living in Memphis. Kind of hard to respond to something you don’t receive. Besides, it is practically impossible to prove a negative. Exactly how do you prove that you did not do something bad, like cheat?
by wklawdog on Oct 26, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there's that.
It’s a bad situation all around. I wish Rose had at least attempted to explain the possible handwriting issues, but I can totally understand, intellectually, why he would have been disinclined to do so.
Still more bravery would have made me feel better about his ethics in this case, and there was not much of that to be found.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me
I got 1150 on PSAT (practice SAT) as HS junior (back in 1968) and 1365 on SAT (in 1969).
My score improved 18.7% the second time. The NCAA might infer that I cheated.
But I didn’t. They have no proof that Rose cheated, either.
by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 26, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any man
That can remember what he scored on the PSAT over 40 years ago. . . wow. Just wow.
Your head for stats continues to amaze me. . . :-)
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
by NYCCats on Oct 26, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A big WOW !!!
Simply amazing :-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Oct 26, 2009 6:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That's so.
They have some evidence in the form of handwriting analysis. But as you say, no proof.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Missed My Point So I'll Try Again
Almost 20% improvement in SAT scores in a year doesn’t mean the person cheated.
I didn’t.
by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 26, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just Tipton being Tipton
In my opinion, he writes these stories with an absolutely negative slant because he knows fans will react. The more negative and biased the column, the more reaction he gets.
Tipton is a hit-whore. The HL judges his worth (and contribution to their advertising revenue’s bottom line) by the number of hits he generates. If folks would quit reading his stuff his worth to the HL would decline and he’d be out the door. Or at least I would hope so. Maybe he knows where all the skeletons are kept at the HL and is immune.
by MTCAT on Oct 26, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"a hit-whore".
I love it. And yes, I think you are totally right about that. Of course Tipton is a "hit-whore". What writer who writes for a living doesn’t have "hits" and "buzz" in the back of their minds when writing their pay-check pieces? Their livelihood depends on readers reacting to their stories and all one need do is take a look around here at times to see that the fun happy-go-lucky pieces certainly don’t generate as much comment and discussion traffic as the controversial pieces.
Tipton isn’t going to change his writing style now or his level of crotchetiness — for goodness sake, the man is like 80 years old. He will remain the same, it’s up to his readers to decide that they don’t really care about his opinion and his articles and stop reacting to them.
by BigSkyCat on Oct 26, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isnt there some way we could have him sent to Nashville or Knoxville
or some other ville anywhere outside Kentucky???
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 26, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember this?
http://www.aseaofblue.com/2008/5/8/101138/7343
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Oct 26, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as hard as geoff caukins was on Cal...
in my opinion, he truly had Memphis’s best interest at heart.
i cannot say the say the same for tipton and whatever his interests are for UK….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Oct 26, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tipton
Jerry Tipton is what I call a “Lazy Journalist”. He rehashes old stuff instead of looking for new material. He continues to stick the knife in BCG (like someone who has been “wronged”). No one cares….let it go…. We have great things going on now…A group of winners….Coach Cal is huge with Charity work and so are many of our great players…Let’s focus on that…but not Jerry…that would mean looking for a new story instead of beating an old one to death. That is just LAZY……….
by fanforlife on Oct 26, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A distinction without substance.
Good grief, you should put in for a job replacement for Nick Arrojo at The Learning Channel.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Oct 26, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You ...
… should really find another blog.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
About time, Tru lol
first round of drinks are on me when you make it to Gator country lol
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by PJordan32746 on Oct 26, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
amen
I will pay a reward and buy drinks.
by CAWebb on Oct 26, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could Hoze....
be a Tipton wannabe, or maybe he IS Tipton.
by UK1972 on Oct 26, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Remember Tipton predicted Mississippi State to win the conference and Varnardo to be Player of the Year
by CAWebb on Oct 26, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I aksed him that very question a week ago and he still has not answered.....lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 26, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tipton's Obsession
Leave it to Jerry Tipton to pick at a scab and open a wound that does nothing to move UK BB forward. Those of us who’ve read – difficult as though it may be – Tipton over the years know that he either has a congenital dislike for all things Blue or a guilt complex over having the privilege of covering the Commonwealth’s university, a guilt so intense that he must periodically assuage it by writing another negative piece. Or perhaps I’m giving him too much benefit of the doubt and it really is all about reclaiming the glory and recognition gained by his one claim to fame.
"Passion is a positive obsession. Obsession is a negative passion."
"Learn(ing) without thinking begets ignorance. Think(ing) without learning is dangerous."
-Confucius
by Wild Weasel on Oct 26, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UK's Basketball Propaganda Minister
I really don’t get it. Is Jerry Tipton supposed to be the Herald Leader’s Joseph Goebbels and only write articles that illuminate Kentucky basketball under a positive light? He’s a journalist, he gets paid to at least appear objective. We’re talking about major college sports programs and a person doesn’t have to look very far to uncover sleaze no matter what school you’re looking at. We all love UK, but I don’t think our skins should be quite so thin.
by chicagoblues on Oct 26, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's true, and I'm not taking issue with anything other than his facts.
He is supposed to be objective, and I think he largely was. The one thing I pointed out, though, is kind of important to get right. At least I think so. Others may disagree.
But you will notice that I’m not all that critical of him, just wanted to set the record straight on that. Even if everyone in America thinks Rose cheated (and he may well have), it just isn’t good to report that as a fact.
As of now, it just isn’t.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't that bad of an article and what'd you expect?
It’s the same old stuff we have read all summer. Turn your computer off and go for a walk. You too, Hozewhatever. It’s a beautiful day out there…
No matter where you're at, there you are
by cincyblue on Oct 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When
does the preseason polls come out yall. I am fit to be tied. I am ready ready ready for this season to start.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
by tenken on Oct 26, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tipton
I’m fine with Tipton and company over at the Herald-Leader pointing out potentially damaging information. I think that’s their duty as journalists. However, i really wish they would have factually correct backgrounds. Mark Story wrote a Cal takedown every bit as specious as Pat Forde’s, and he rightly got killed for it. But, a lot of times, it seems like fans get on these guys for being negative at all, even when justified.
by chstrckwl on Oct 26, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's true ...
… and I’m as guilty of that as the next fan, to a point. I think excess negativism is bad journalism, even in opinion pieces. We see a lot of them, but no matter what the subject, I think they are a very poor prescription for fixing what’s broken.
Better to keep it factual and criticize the facts.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that we are all ready for positive news concerning UK……….we are tired of the negative press the past few years and so we have little patience for the Lexington press right now.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
by tenken on Oct 26, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, we need positive news like
UK – 120 L’ville – 65
by hoboat33 on Oct 26, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll place a wager with you
if you give me Louisville +55!
by don'tshootmei'macard on Oct 26, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmmmmmm......
nope. Wait til football’s over and I can devote some attention to it. Tunnel vision/channeling on football right now. OK +55 may be a bit high ;-)
by hoboat33 on Oct 26, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
I totally get what you are saying about fans taking issue with every single writer who writes anything even remotely less than satisfactory about UK, and I too, think that’s ridiculous. Not everyone should be expected to blow sunshine at us all the time and I, like you, really appreciate the truth and the facts of a situation. Get that right and I will most likely be a loyal and rather content reader.
For me, though — How Tipton differs from a lot of other writers who cover UK (those both nationally and locally in Kentucky) is that his writing seems to come from more of an opinion angle (which just so happens to be constantly negative), whereas I think he should be concentrating more on informing his public of the facts. But then again, I’m sure not his boss, so he probably won’t be listening to little ‘ol me.
by BigSkyCat on Oct 26, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I couldn't agree more.
If someone has their reporter hat on, they should keep opinions out of it, and I gather that this was a news piece.
When Tipton is writing an opinion piece, all bets are off, and he is well and truly entitled to say whatever he wants. However, a consistently negative opinion would make me suspicious of the objectivity of his news pieces.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 26, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tipton doesn't expect you to read and think at the same time.
Why else would he bold everybody’s names? Am I that much of an idiotic reader that I can’t tell who I’m reading about without the names standing out? We’re not supposed to read Tipton and think it informative or insightful; we’re supposed to read Tipton as an entertainer working in the entertainment industry. His articles are on about the same level as Inside Edition, TMZ, and Entertainment Tonight.
by tyler cottrell on Oct 26, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thankful
i have NEVER read anything by Tipton (to my knowledge)……if i had im sure it found its way to the recycle bin or bird cage before i got to far.
Lets get it on!!!!
by Magnoliacat on Oct 26, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We all know more than Jerry -
Why is anyone concerned about what Jerry writes? I like his articles and he is imformative. But, again, I learn much more from the blogs were they have more insight because of the contacts, ability, and inside knowledge to get the true story. We all know Coach Schults ‘I know nothing’ Calipari didn’t direct Rose not to answer the inquires by that committee. Are we ready to butcher the NCAA for questioning Wall’s eligibilty? Let me know when we get to that, I don’t want to miss it.
by ParisGuy on Oct 26, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For my part ...
… I am not really concerned, I’m merely interested in correcting the record. No reason for a factual not-quite-accuracy to go un-debunked.
But you’re right, there’s no reason to get too exercised about what Tipton says. And I don’t think the NCAA’s questions about Wall’s eligibility are out of order at all. The question I have is, are they being fair, and looking into similar situations with Clifton’s other players?
I think that’s a fair question, and I think it’s also fair to assume they are, until proven otherwise.
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