The NCAA Has Some S'plainin To Do

by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 13, 2009 2:47 PM EDT Comment 24 comments

Alabama has joined Memphisin appealing their vacated wins penalties form the NCAA. Alabama has cited the NCAA's willingness to ignore precedents and by-laws in their handling of cases recently. In my eyes, this has been a long time coming. The NCAA has to be forced to take action when it comes to reigning in their disciplinary committee's handling of the cases between themselves and the schools.

Memphis has the stronger of the two cases in my opinion, because they did nothing more than what the NCAA told them to do. The NCAA then, after the fact, reversed themselves and without cause subsequently labeled Memphis as out of compliance for an action that was endorsed by the NCAA themselves.

This is extremely important for two reasons. First and foremost in the hearts of the Big Blue Nation, or beloved leader will regain some lost credibility in the eyes of the public for his stewardship of the Memphis program and their problems. While not implicated, the innuendo and nonsense surrounding this would have been nagging Coach Cal for years to come. Second, the NCAA needs to revisit it's infrastructure big-time. This "cowboy justice" approach they have been taking recently does no one any good. In the eyes of some, the NCAA is justified in whatever penalties they see fit. This is not the case in these circumstances however. Each school has quoted precedent and similar infractions by other member institutions as their reasons for appeal. Not sure if this accomplishes anything, but is sure is a story that needs to be told. Memphis got their hats handed to them by a vindictive committee bent on making an example out of Cal and anyone who associates with him, and that is dead wrong, and the NCAA knows it. Bama has much more of a history with the NCAA and infractions, however, the NCAA refuses to establish a set of written guidelines that are known and made aware to the member schools.

The NCAA has been judge, jury, and executioner for far too long. It is time to make them play by a set of rules too.

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Hang 'Em High!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 13, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

NCAA

Nobody Can Argue Against us.

Necromanical Conclusions About All

by hoboat33 on Oct 13, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I was told by a rather twisted individual it was

Nutcase
College Graduates
Against
Athletics

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 13, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds about right

except maybe the “College Graduates” part unless they were philosophy majors. ;-)

by hoboat33 on Oct 13, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just wondering ...

… Who is going to hold them accountable and “make them play by a set of rules?” They are being asked to review their own ruling — by themselves!

They are accountable to no one. Not the fans, not the schools, not the conferences, not the U.S. Government. That’s the fact, Jack. :-)

I do hope both appeals are granted, though. I think this vacating of wins thing is going too far. But I won’t hold my breath.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Oct 13, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, since the NCAA derives it's power from the member institutions

I would think that the schools should be able to get together as a group and demand some rules that are written in stone that everyone would play by. If I am Memphis, I threaten to follow any appeal that fails with legal action including monetary damages. I know this is kind of a Catch-22 here, but there has to be a way that everyone knows EXACTLY what will happen for a particular violation. Bama is claiming that the Infractions Committee overstepped it’s authority by making the penalties inconsistent. I would think that should be fairly easy to prove. Memphis’ case just defies logic, or should I say the penalty did.

I know we are back to playing armchair lawyers here, but certainly there is relief for this out there if nowhere else, than in the court system?

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 13, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well ...

… the schools haven’t done it so far.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 13, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ahhhh.....maybe this will be what rallies them to try. The schools deserve to know that

everyone will be treated equally…..and that bias by the committee members will not make it possible to load up a judgement on a school when penalties must be handed down.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 13, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just don't get it...

…the misunderstanding of seemingly everyone on this issue.

The NCAA is an organization that monitors, sanctions, controls, etc the members that choose to take part. Part of the NCAA is the infraction committee. It investigates and sets penalties. There is a review process. This is no different than any other public or private organization.

Who exactly would you like to ‘appoint’ to review the reviewers? Okay, then who would review the reviewed reviewers? It’s silly when you take it to the extreme.

To summarize, if Memphis or Alabama or whomever doesn’t like it…quit the NCAA. Their choice.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Oct 14, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I honestly wish it was that simple Hoze....and I have said the same thing myself

more than once…quit and tell them to take a hike…….but the schools do not want to give up the $$$$ involved, and honestly shouldnt have to. The NCAA has an appeals committee that operates separate from the infactions committee. The real problem here is in the rulebook. It has become so convoluted that no one can make sense of parts of it. Then, as if what they were doing before was not hard enough to understand, the infractions commtiiee chooses to go all haywire and just invent their own penalties and ignore evidence and protocols that the NCAA is suposed to use when they deal with these cases. ( it is probably not that simple, but both schools are for the most part screaming the same thing) Even people inside the NCAA’s own structure are saying that there are major problems.

I am not sure what the total answer here is. But I do know that the NCAA has strayed far from it’s original intent in the last 20 years. They no longer even hold themselves accountable, and that is wrong.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 14, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are right....it's not that simple.

NCAA sports are complex…period. It’s not the same as it was 20 yrs ago. With that realization that things are not simple comes with the realization that rules, situations, etc aren’t that simple either.

Good luck with fixing the NCAA rulebook. After you are done with that you can fix the tax code as well.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Oct 14, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not in my playbook to fix tax code....lol

I cant even read the stupid thing most of the time…..And we may never know just how complicated these situations are, that’s true. I would just like, as a fan, to be able to pull out the rulebook, and say here is the rule, and here is the penalty for violating it. It may be too much to ask, but hey, I’ll dream a little.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 15, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There was rumblings some years back

when some of the major universities were bristling about TV money, etc. and leaving the NCAA. The jabberwocky of rules/enforcement might be a better reason.

by hoboat33 on Oct 13, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

NCAA

It seems to me that the NCAA is following the same path as our National Government!!!
We the people of the United State of America, the SEC and every other conference and religon have a right to voice our opinions!!! This country is FREE ( for the time being) and I, for one am sick of it all. But the NCAA is directly passing backroom judgement on our children because they think they can. I would like to see the rules in writing like the Ten Commandents!!!!! No gray area!!!!!!!!! Now I have covered God, Country and Home! It’s not a good thing to get me started on these subjects!!!!!! Some higher ups think they are at the top of the heap!!!!! Not true and they will at some point pay for their judgements. Hope I live long enough!!!!!!!!!!

by kentuckystrong on Oct 14, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Please, don't get started on those subjects.

I, for one, don’t care to see that subject matter on this site.

by DeadHeadCat on Oct 14, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ditto, let's not go there

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Oct 14, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thirded.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Oct 14, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ABC

Was rereading Atlas Shrugged and thought you might like this passage I ran across today -

……We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizen? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws what can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.

by hoboat33 on Oct 14, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What was that quote from again, the NCAA By-Laws???

That’s pretty cool Hobo…..I honestly have not read that, will have to get it….

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by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 15, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ayn Rand Is "Hot"

“Hot” author, that is, her works led by Atlas Shrugged but also The Fountainhead, etc., are leaping off the shelves – both literal and virtual. If you haven’t read Ayn Rand you’re missing great insights to life in the 21st century.

"The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
—Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on Oct 15, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I read AS, FH and We the Living many years ago

and rereading now due to present national environment. The first two are must reads. Scary.

by hoboat33 on Oct 15, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, since this is now the UK book club

Not a fan of Rand personally, too many holes in her theory of Objectivism for my tastes

I’d like to throw a suggestion out there:

The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements by Eric Hoffer.

read that and you’ll have the blueprint of every successful Cult, Militia, Environmental and Political movement of the last 100 years. Really brilliant stuff, though at times hard to read.

by sylvar on Oct 15, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not necessarily into Objectivism

(too many missing parts) but great writing nonetheless with some great monologues.

Hoffer is on my list along with some others like Nietshke but not looking forward to them as also being enjoyable via novel approach like Rand.

by hoboat33 on Oct 15, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, Eric Hoffer

I had the good fortune to read him in my 30’s, well past my formative years, unlike those who read him in their college years. While I prefer The Ordeal of Change I did find The True Believer somewhat compelling. One of the benefits of the great recession might be proof of Hoffer’s contention that meaningful work – especially labor in the service of society – should be a rite of passage from adolescence – a place where some are permanently ensconced – to adulthood. The fact that all branches of the military have exceeded their annual recruiting goals – the first time since 1973 – is evidence.

"Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread."
—Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on Oct 15, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs