Don't Let Hartline's Injury Be In Vain
Mike Hartline went down Saturday during what may have been the best performance of his career. After taking criticism from fans and experts alike, he was answering them with a gritty, no-nonsense, almost business-like approach against South Carolina. While his receivers were dropping passes they should have been catching, Hartline simply kept putting the ball where it needed to be to get the job done. And then, when it looked like he was getting the upperhand for the first time all day, a freak hit to the knee may have ended his season.
Watching the replays of the hit reminded me of watching Carson Palmer go down at Cincinnati a couple of years back against Pittsburgh. As Tru so aptly put it, knees are not meant to bend that way. Every severe knee injury I have ever seen a quarterback take is when they were doing something our high school football coach used to scream about to our quarterback, and I never understood why until I saw my first serious knee injury on TV. Some quarterback coaches teach their quarterbacks not to "sidestep", or "shuffle" their feet. The theory is. that you dont move far enough to evade the tackler in the pocket. They teach the QB's to "pick up" their feet, and use a running motion when going from side to side, or backwards, to avoid that happening. I cannot tell you as to whether or not it works, just that I noticed that Hartline was shuffling his feet when the injury occurred trying to evade the tackler. That front foot gets planted to make a throw, and it is hard to make yourself pick it up and not simply drag it back.
All that having been said, we are now faced with a dilemma. One that if we dont answer it properly will cost us the rest of this season and a good start on next year. We need to make sure that Mike Hartline having to sit out for injury is not wasted time. Our situation is thus. Will Fidler is our backup. He took 8 attempts at throws yesterday and completed 2 passes. Not good by any stretch, however, on a side note, Brady Anderson of the Cleveland Browns yesterday only completed 2 passes on 17 attempts. We are not that bad yet. Will has, according to Coach Brooks taken more snaps than anyone remaining available with the first offensive unit. We have 7 games remaining against a set of teams that well, to be honest, do not inspire fear in the hearts of men. Auburn would be the most scary at this point, had they not have gotten spanked by Arkansas on Saturday themselves. They are still a dangerous opponent, but they have weak spots that can be exploited. Our season may very well come down to a showdown with Tennessee in Commonwealth Stadium on November 28th. This game will , in my opinion, either be the game we need to win to get to a bowl, or be our bowl game for this year. we have 6 weeks to get ready for it, and we need to make some hard choices.
Our offensive guru and HCIW Joker Phillips is really going to have to earn his pay the next few weeks to pull this season out. We either have to make Will Fidler an SEC capable quarterback in 5 days, or we are looking at 2-4 going into LA-Monroe. My personal opinion is that he will not be able to make a major transition into the man to lead this team. I could be, and I hope that I am wrong on this. But if I am not, Then we have to make the difficult call to start developing Morgan Newton into the quarterback of the future for the Wildcats. He is going to make mistakes, throw picks, and fumble the football, that is almost a given. But he has the tools to be an SEC quarterback. Brooks has said he has to improve on his decision making skills, and that may only improve with game experience. Our schedule allows for some mistakes over the next few weeks and still putting W's in the books. The games may not be blowouts, and may be more reasons for all of us to break out the Prilosec and Valium, but they represent an opportunity for Newton to gain the experience he needs to be successful in the SEC against less than stellar competition. There is not one unwinnable game left on our schedule. We can pull this off, and still do what we need to, so that next year if the same thing happens, we are not caught with our pants around our ankles.
Injuries happen, and that is unfortunate. Mike was trying his best to show everyone that he deserved to be where he was, leading this team, and he gave a great effort. Let's not waste it, Coach. It is a hard call, and it would take a real gut check by this team and it's staff to make it work. But you had enough faith in this kid to recruit him, he has skills and a 5-star arm. Teach him what to do and let him lead. I don't think you will be disappointed.
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We should be OK
This time last week most on this board was butchering Harlline. He wasn’t SEC quality, etc. I defended him, check the posts if you don’t believe me, and now his injury is going to be the rallying point of the season.
Again, we should be in decent shape, as an SEC team, we should have a quarterback in position to take over in just this situation.
We have had six years of recruiting with the current staff and its two seasons now since Pulley left. We’ll be OK if they did their job in recruting.
Another good post, ABC.
I still think Hartline isn't SEC quality.
He had a good half, and it was frankly the only SEC quality half has had so far. Those are the facts.
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You're right Tru....but he was making an effort to do all he could.
After going back and looking at that call you were talking about, it just made me sick to watch his knee give way, when the guy should not have been there in the first place….officiating has become a joke in college AND pro sports recently…..maybe we should just put the cameras on the field and check every call……of course that would not have stopped this from happening….this one is all on the guy blowing the whistle.
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Morgan Newton was
a Parade All American as an athlete, not a quarterback. Most rankings only had him as a 3 star quarterback I believe. It’s a shame about Hartline and will make getting to a bowl game much harder. Newton should be able to get some game action against some of the teams coming up after Auburn, which should be exciting to watch. Hopefully he develops fast. Not sure about Fidler, he is a tuff kid tough.
At this point I am willing to sacrifice the bowl for future stability
I know that wont be a popular stance, and I hate to see three years of hardwork take a setback, but this quarterback situation was a nightmare waiting to happen…..hopefully it wont be an issue again after this…..having a starting QB, and a good serviceable backup should be a priority for every team…..we took the lesser of the evils and let it be from the sound of it.
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With Newton and Mossy
you still might not be satisfied since their styles are very different. Next year, if one is the starter with the other a backup a quarterback injury would still be a significant change in the offensive look.
If there is a bright side to this (I’m always lookin’) Hartline and Fidler are somewhat similar so the offense won’t need a major makeover to support Fidler.
That's the million dollar question.
If Hartline can make it back this year and doesn’t perform at a minimum of the SC 1st half, it very well could kill his starting chances for next year. His best chance to be the starter next year may be in not coming back this year.
Whether he comes back this year or not, Newton and/or Mossy need to be capable of starting next year. We know Hartline and he has not shown the level of play for the SEC in spite of the rosy evaluations from the coaching staff at the beginning of the year.
actually I dont think that this is about being satisfied
it is about getting the players where we need to be. I do not see us coming out of this unscathed….both those QB’s need time to develop that they will get more of with HArtline out of action rather than in. While tragic in it’s sense of Mike’s college career, this could end up forcing the coaching staff to get these guys up to speed and ready to go, if they can be.If Fidler makes the cut, then so be it, but if Fidler and Newton are even, go with Newton and prepare for 2010…..make the hard choice now so that the choices later will be easier. If Newton flops, then we are out nothing, assuming that Hartline comes back and is ready to go next year. I REALLY do not expect Hartline to come back this year. It is an outside shot at best, and if he does come back before Tennessee, he will not be 100%…..and his mobility was one of the things he did much better against SC.
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The coaches are going to be under the gun
for the next few weeks like never before. Kentucky’s program is in a precarious position. The infamous “next step” is likely within site and the decisions made surrounding the qback position will reverberate for the next 3 years.
First, how do you handle the next 2 to 5 weeks? It seems clear next week will be Fidler running the conventional offense with an expanded roll for the Cobbcat offense. After that, we have La-Monroe – a good opportunity to gain game experience for Newton against the worst pass defense in the nation. Continuing on through Miss State, EKU and Vandy are other great opportunities for both Fidler and Newton to gain great game experience. By the time we roll around to Georgia Hartline may be cleared to play. Will the coaching staff decide Hartline was the starter before the injury so its his right to step right back into the job for such a “big” game? This will be especially critical if Fidler and/or Newton have shown some real promise.
Beyond that is anybody’s guess. Noone really knows how Fidler, Newton or even a recovered Hartline is going to play. If Fidler matches Hartline’s performance I’d have no problem with Hartline returning but what if Newton comes close but shows more potential than Hartline can deliver? I’d agree with ABC, go with Newton. He’s more of the future and any experience he can gain this year will propel him that much further along at the beginning of next year. I’m not sure I’d go as far as ABC, tho, and sacrifice a bowl opportunity to get Newton some experience.
The more I think about it hobo,
I am not sure we will have to sacrifice the bowl.Auburn, Georgia, and Tennessee are the big question marks. And frankly they were when the season started. I was never completely convinced that the Tennessee game was a win.
So we have a typical year…..4 more patsies to beat up on to get to a bowl. Even with Fidler at QB, I believe we can beat these teams, I am just not sure that is what is best for the team. Let’s see how Auburn unfolds, Brooks has already hinted that Newton may be able to do more soon. I have no problem with letting Fidler get a week under his belt and trying his hand at a real performance. I just don’t want those two freshmen sitting on the bench if they can contribute, and gain the experience we need to be a better team next year.
Frankly, we should have been better prepared this year.
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By his very nature, overall Brooks coaches conservatively
Some other coach may have already had Newton further up the qback ladder. You look around the country and younger players get thrown into the game earlier in their careers. Yes, this is the SEC and all that but we’re not exactly tearing it up anyway. (No, this is not a stab at Brooks; it’s just the way he coaches.)
I may be not understanding 'under the gun'
Hoboat, I think I understand ‘being under the gun’ comment but you surely don’t mean as being on the hot seat do you? That ain’t going to happen. They could lose every game left on the schedule and the works ‘hot seat’ would not enter the conversation.
Brooks or Joker may not be, but there are a few assistants that i am not sure about
what do you think??
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Definitely some assistants
Special teams comes to mind immediately.
No the Brooks/Joker regime is in place as long as they want and/or as long as barnhart is in place. Well, “as long as they want” may be overstating it but it will be at least two years with the current “management” until the qback situation is fully known. If this position remains stagnant or regresses, then, and only then, will there be a fan rebellion due to mismanagement or not reaching goals (real or imagined). Unfortunately, hot seats only happen in Kentucky due to malfeasance.
Being a basketball school helps keep the status quo, especially if the anticipated success comes to fruition since alumni ($$$) will be so ecstatic over basketball success they’ll overlook football in the short term.

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