South Carolina 28, Kentucky 26 -- Postmortem
by Truzenzuzex on Oct 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT
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I really don't know what to say. Some years are just like this, and there is really no way to explain it.
Congratulations to South Carolina. They exploited our weaknesses in the secondary due to injury, and managed to get UK to go to their backup quarterback, and UK just didn't have enough to overcome the setbacks. South Carolina did a really good job in the passing game, and even though they made a ton of errors that nearly cost them the game, they were able to overcome adversity and get the win.
For Kentucky, it is just one more in a seemingly endless line of "should have beens," not just against South Carolina but against almost every SEC team not named Vanderbilt. As a fan, I am so far beyond frustrated I thank heaven I have a laid-back psyche, because rabid UK football fans must be ready to commit seppuku in the face of yet another hard-luck loss by Kentucky.
But wasn't all hard luck, now was it? Who can explain Brooks' decision to let his second-string quarterback try to pass for the two-point conversion rather than run Randall Cobb in the Wildcat, the very thing that got them down the field and in a position to tie the game? Who can explain how Hartline, who hasn't been hit a dozen times this year and was having arguably the best game of his life, manages to get a freak knee injury? Who can explain how Kentucky, with a clear shot at Garcia and holding the Gamecocks to get the ball back with three minutes or so left managed to throw three bodies at him -- and miss?
None of it can be explained. It is deja vu all over again, second verse same as the first, been there done that. My explanation is that Steve Spurrier is actually the alien demon Cthulhu made flesh, capable of frightening even Lucifer himself. That, or he's just got Kentucky's number. Either way, the results are the same.
Anyway, here are my observations, for what they are worth:
- Overall, very good playcalling, but the three or four bad calls really cost us. The crazy fake punt, not giving Cobb the shot at the 2-point conversion, the inexplicable timeout that cost us a first down.
- A five yard punt? Really?
- Where the heck was Norwood? I know -- he was being de-cleated by John Conner. Maybe Connor really is The Terminator. Conner is the greatest blocking back I have ever seen on any Kentucky team at any time. Of course, I don't watch that much football, so that doesn't mean one heck of a lot.
- Great game by Hartline. He made virtually zero bad decisions. Made a couple of bad throws. A pity we won't be seeing him (most likely) for the rest of this year.
- Will Fidler has a good arm, but there is a reason he is the backup. That reason showed.
- Randall Cobb. Scary. We need much more Cobb.
- Another great game by Derrick Locke. The guy just makes plays.
- Injuries killed us, but they are part of football. I still want to bemoan our fate on that, though. Kentucky's football history is star-crossed enough without losing both starting corners and having your freshman backup burned repeatedly for touchdowns. Three of them, to be exact. Do you think that would have happened vs. Lindley? Not likely.
- Our lines are playing great football right now, on both sides of the ball. Our secondary couldn't tackle a tackling dummy
- What the heck was going on with our kickoff coverage?
- We won the turnover battle. Gotta give kudos for that. The forced fumble on Stephen Garcia was a great play. The INT was a stupid play by Garcia, and a good catch by Sam Maxwell.
- Lones Siber did another really good job. Maybe the boy has come around.
- Big plays cost the 'Cats, big plays that could have been prevented.
Another "moral victory." How nice. Just what I wanted.
On the bright side, Kentucky played reasonably well, and could have won the game, and it wasn't bad coaching or bad execution that cost them. The other team just made more plays, and took advantage of the circumstances that presented themselves. Despite major injury problems, we competed and had a chance to win. I suppose that will have to be enough, since a post-game forfeit by USC seems unlikely.
On to the Plains to meet a pretty mad Auburn team. Sounds like fun to me!
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I expect 2-3 more wins this season.
LA-Monroe, Eastern, and either Mississippi State or Vandy.
by mrmondaynite on Oct 10, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I see no reason we can't win 4 games
With our full complement of players.
But with so many unknowns due to injury, who can say?
by Gobe Igbloo on Oct 10, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really really hope ur wrong about not seeing hartline again this season. i know this loss sucks and it hurts me just as much as it does anyone but lets look at it this way: without any corners or a real qb, we almost won. i know “what ifs” dont do much now but i mean you have to look at it like that..IF hartline comes back, i really think we’ll have a good season IF not, then idk…
by hummer11092 on Oct 10, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think this was a well-coached game.
This game was lost primarily because the other team’s coaches are better.
I’m so frustrated that I’m going to bite my keyboard.
by BBallSophist on Oct 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
quick edit
“Steve Spurrier is actually the alien demon Cthulhu made flesh, capable of frightening even Lucifer Christian Laettner himself. "
by Gobe Igbloo on Oct 10, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
same ole same ole
its depressing as hell, and the play call for the 2 point conversion, was the dumbest call all year, what was whoever called the play thinking ?? we had this game won, even with Fidler, but found ways to lose
by Bluehound on Oct 10, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What was with the game officials?
Hartline is injured on a play that was allowed to be run AFTER a delay of game call against the Cats. There’s one game changing play right there. The Cats make a first down on 4th late in the game and that play is reversed AFTER the first down made, because of the alleged time out call. There’s a 2nd game changing call. Then there is the bogus, totally bogus holding call on the long Cobb run late in the game. That’s a 3rd game changing call. Then, we strip the ball from the SC receiver late in the 4th and that is reversed on a forward progress call. We got totally hosed today.
by BCinVA on Oct 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't get to watch it
only listened to it, you are prolly right, especially about Hartline, and yes we win with Lindley, more than likely
by Bluehound on Oct 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys got many calls, too. You got away with holding all day. The "strip" was definitely after forward progress had stopped the play.
This isn’t to say the officiating wasn’t bad. It was awful, as per usual in the SEC. The officiating on the play when Hartline got hurt was a joke.
And don’t complain too much about losing because you didn’t have Lindley. We were without one of our starting corners, too. The difference is that our backup is better than yours, or that you didn’t have the guns to take advantage. Injuries are a part of the game. We’re missing players, too, and when we play Alabama next week, their greater depth will probably help them beat us just like ours helped us beat you.
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by Gamecock Man on Oct 11, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
spare me,,,,,,the strip was clean, and everyone that has looked
at it since said the same thing
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 11, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Undoubtedly I think we win with Lindley
BUT his absence wasnt the reason we lost.Some smarter play calling in a couple of ciritical situations and I think we take the game. Unfortunately that didnt occur so congrats to the gamecocks.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Oct 11, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The strip was definitley clean.
But you are right that the officiating was not really a factor at all. In fact, I thought, as games go, it was pretty well officiated overall.
Complaining about losing because of injuries are every fan’s right. Yes, they are a part of the game, and you are absolutely right to point out that your superior depth helped your cause, as it always does.
But really, fans deserve to complain about misfortune outside their control, especially injuries. I don’t complain when other fans say that but for an injury, they would have won. That’s why I hate it when our opponents wind up with big injuries, it diminishes the quality of a victory. So on that one, we disagree.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 11, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. We'll just have to disagree.
I just don’t think injuries reveal bad luck; I think they reveal the quality of your depth. If we lost Garcia, I guess you could call it bad luck, but the real problem would be that Spurrier doesn’t have a viable backup ready to step in. Our season would be shot because we really just don’t have anyone.
And even if they do reveal bad luck, it goes both ways. We lost our principle backup DT and, more importantly, a starting linebacker to season-ending knee injuries. They might not be names like Lindley, but if we still had Robertson and Paulk, would you have run for as many yards? Would you have gotten to pick on Shaq Wilson the way you did? We’ve had our share of injuries, too.
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by Gamecock Man on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Lindley we win today
don’t you think?
by Gobe Igbloo on Oct 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To amplify, I'm sure he would have stopped at least one of those Jeffrey TD catches.
But, to give the guy his due, he made all the catches today against the frosh.
by BCinVA on Oct 10, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2pt. Conversion!?
You have to assume that this game goes to o.t with Cobb taking that snap. We averaged around 14yds a play on that drive. If cobb doesn’t take 25 snaps against auburn, we don’t win, if he does we win by 10! IMHO.
by BornBlue84 on Oct 10, 2009 4:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I would have liked Cobb taking the snap on that play, but
I don’t think you can assume he makes the conversion. Would have given us a much better chance than putting Fidler back there. What I wonder is why they didn’t take a time out to get ready for that play?
by BCinVA on Oct 10, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we catch the football
twice on the goal line (Cobb, Drake), we win this game. The receivers continue to show flashes of brilliance, but on the whole disappoint.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
by NYCCats on Oct 10, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The most impressive pass...
of the game was dropped by Drake. Fiddler lasered a very catchable pass that should have been a touchdown. I don’t think it is fair to judge Fiddler on being thrown into the game with very limited preparation because all of the eggs were in the Hartline basket. I do agree that Cobb should have had the ball for the two point conversion.
by kywineman on Oct 10, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Conner
Is by far the best FB in the sec. Keep playing like an animal…
by BornBlue84 on Oct 10, 2009 5:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Snap Infraction?
This call was absolutley a blown call. After watching the replay over. The center is allowed to move the ball however he pleases, granted it doesn’t leave the ground. Example: the shotgun snap. This would be a penalty every snap. Also, fidler was in motion while the ball was being snapped.
by BornBlue84 on Oct 10, 2009 5:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I think God turns His face against UK Football
Lindley and Warford are out, just in time for Jeffery to score 3 TD’s.
Hartline plays the best first half of his career and blows his knee on a dead play.
Garcia flies through the air to get a first down.
We need to declare a fast in the Big Blue Nation this week before Auburn.
by ukbulldog on Oct 10, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God just told me he's waiting for basketball season to start
LOL
No matter where you're at, there you are
by cincyblue on Oct 10, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddening
I hate to bash on Brooks and the fake FG but in the 3rd quarter of a tight game, you take the points. It’s maddening.
And not having the ball in Cobb’s hand on the 2 point conversion was inexiplicable.
But so was the “phantom holding caaaall” on Cobbs’ 55 yard run
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by PJordan32746 on Oct 10, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The fake FG was a non-factor
We got the turnover on USC’s next possession and scored a FG. Really had little if anything to do with the outcome of the ballgame.
by kywineman on Oct 10, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's simple folks.....we got outplayed, outcoached, and out manuvered.....
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Oct 10, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i am as frustrated as anyone...
but we could still end up 7-5 – not saying i believe it will happen, but do not think i am delusional to throw it out there -
wins – eku and la-monroe
should be wins – miss state and vandy
all we need is one – aub, uga or ut
look, vandy lost to army today and i am not sure we still really know what miss state has.
after today, clearly au and uga could be wins.
ut looking the toughest left – again as of today.
maybe its being less than a week to midnight madness that is softening my thinking, but hate to give up now.
i am sick of moral victories (almost wish we had just gotten blown out – almost) but clearly with locke and cobb we have offensive power (and OL is strong – hartline had plenty of time today).
with def secondary getting healthy, maybe we make late season run.
special teams – well, really there is no excuse for HORRIBLE KO coverage…
Was hoping to be 3-2 at this point, but have to admit that 2-3 was the MOST likely scenario….
just trying to keep the faith…..
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Oct 10, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The moral victory here...
is that losing the starting quarterback that we have been told repeatedly is our only hope did not stop us from staying in the ballgame with a chance to tie the game. This UK team is just a QB away from a winning season.
by kywineman on Oct 10, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Memphis, all these possible wins
Are tougher without Hartline being available, I think. How about you?
by BCinVA on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely...
but i have to keep thinking that if brooks has held back the two star freshman quarterbacks because he think fielder is truly the number 2 quarterback, then maybe not.
La monroe and eku are still wins – msu and vandy are probable – however, taking 1 of the remaining 3 (ut, uga and aub) is now long odds….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Oct 11, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hartline is hurt ------
Well, everyone that wanted Hartline to sit down and let someone else play may get their wish at Auburn. He certainly didn’t lose this game for us today. I think we were ahead when he got hurt.
So everyone get ready, if he can’t go. We’ll get to see how good our recruiting has been in the last few years. Seems with spring practice, all summer and fall to prepare a backup the coaches should have someone ready to go in case a situation like this happens.
We’ll see,
by ParisGuy on Oct 10, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A different quarterback against Auburn doesn't scare me.
What I’m really worried about is Malzahn’s offense against green corners. If Garcia can cook our corners, an Auburn team with redemption on their mind gives me nightmares.
by hoboat33 on Oct 11, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moral Victory??
We lost a game we could easily have won. I’m sorry but I don’t see that as a moral victory.
South Carolina beat us twice in basketball last season. I don’t remember the term “moral victory” being used in regard to either game. In fact, when was the last time the term “moral victory” was used in connection to a UK basketball loss? Maybe the 1992 Duke game????
The point………“moral victory” isn’t in the UK basketball dictionary…….we either win or we’re PISSED that we lost no matter who we’re playing or who’s hurt!!
We lead college basketball in actual victories…….using the logic of some, we must lead college football in “moral victories”!!!!
by UKlvrJM on Oct 11, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was meant as sarcasm.
As is usual with sarcasm, it isn’t always easy to detect. I thought the quotes might do it, but it never seems to work 100% of the time. :-)
There are no moral victories, there are only wins and losses. We have noted that around here many times before, which is why I thought a bit of sarcasm was apropos. This was tougher than most, but unless the scoreboard has your team on top, the how and why of it only matter for a day or so. This was just one more in a long line of losses that should have been wins for UK.
UK does have plenty of excuses for this loss, unlike the last two. In the end, though, excuses don’t put points on the scoreboard, nor wins in the win column. Even with all our setbacks, the plain truth is that two dropped passes ultimately cost us this game.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 11, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm Is Noted
I appreciate your intent but for many the term “moral victory” isn’t sarcasm…..they really feel that way. As if we’re somehow lucky to be in the big bad SEC and that these BIG football schools let us play with them.
As a parent I feel and I think most will agree that you try to treat your children the same. If you’re lucky and your children are all healthy and normal in terms of mental ability, you don’t “expect” John to make A’s and then “accept” that Rich can only make C’s and D’s.
It’s not a perfect anology because they are obviously different sports and I’m sooooooo tired of listening to how hard it is to be successful in football. The point I’m trying to make is that many UK fans just accept results from our Football program that we wouldn’t accept from the Basketball program.
If you’re willing to accept C’s and D’s as the best Rich can do, well I think any parent will tell you, that’s exactly what you’re going to get.
by UKlvrJM on Oct 11, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone accepts that.
You know, there is a big difference between “accepting” C’s and D’s and acknowledging that your child has a learning disability, or a low IQ, or an attention deficit, or any of a number of other things that cause poor performance — in other words, a built-in disadvantage in the classroom. Since we are using this analogy, we will stick with it.
Kentucky is not able to recruit at the level of other schools because of intractable, ingrained problems of location, tradition, facilities, insufficient native talent, the proximity of better programs and perception. You can’t change those things by an act of will, or by “demanding better.” Demand in one hand and defecate in the other and see which one fills up first. I’ll bet the farm on that outcome.
Acknowledging the realities of football in the SEC at a school like Kentucky is not the same thing as accepting less, just as acknowledging a learning disorder is not the same thing as excusing sub-par performance by a child in the classroom. Nothing annoys me more than fans who reject reality for what is for now, a fantasy.
Without a winning tradition, UK can never compete with the schools in the SEC that have both a winning tradition and a better native player base. Even with a winning tradition, it will take many years of consistency to overcome the built-in advantages of many other SEC programs. Maybe one day, Kentucky will start growing better football players, or UK will become a winning program year over year.
But until at least one of those things happen, we will have to try to win with the culls and dross of the SEC powerhouses, or bring in players from thousands of miles away. UK is not that attractive as a football program, and it won’t become significantly more attractive without a lot more success.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 11, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y'all have hit the nail on the head
We need a new highly respected Special Ed teacher. ;-)
by hoboat33 on Oct 11, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me thinks thou dost protest too much!
“Kentucky is not able to recruit at the level of other schools because of intractable, ingrained problems of location, tradition, facilities, insufficient native talent, the proximity of better programs and perception. You can’t change those things by an act of will, or by "demanding better." Demand in one hand and defecate in the other and see which one fills up first. I’ll bet the farm on that outcome.”
To use your anology, if you make excuses in one hand and defecate in the other…..well I’m not so sure you’d bet the farm on that outcome.
“But until at least one of those things happen, we will have to try to win with the culls and dross of the SEC powerhouses, or bring in players from thousands of miles away. UK is not that attractive as a football program, and it won’t become significantly more attractive without a lot more success.”
With all due respect Tru……haven’t UK Football fans been saying that for 50 years? How many games just like yesterday have you watched over the years?
As Tubby and Gillispie proved…..all the “inherent” advantages that our basketball program supposedly has that our football program doesn’t don’t necessarily mean anything. As Calipari has quickly proved…todays kids don’t come to a school for the “inherent” advantages, they come for the coach.
You’re probably doing exactly what I’m doing right now and watching the President’s Cup. Think Earl Woods was thinking about “reality” or “fantasy”? A multi-racial player is the best in one of the whitest sports on earth.
You can get anoyed at us “fantasy” fans if you want but most of the great achievements in history wouldn’t have happened if people just accepted “reality”!
by UKlvrJM on Oct 11, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
With all due respect Tru……haven’t UK Football fans been saying that for 50 years? How many games just like yesterday have you watched over the years?
A few, but this was a game where UK didn’t shoot itself in the foot as much as the home team just made more plays. That happened mainly because of injuries, but let’s be honest here — injuries are part of football. Despite the fact that USC is more talented, they needed, and most likely could not have won without the injuries to our corners. That’s different from previous years when vastly inferior UK teams would often shoot themselves in the foot and lose games that they had a chance to win. UK didn’t lose this one. USC took it by making more plays.
You’re probably doing exactly what I’m doing right now and watching the President’s Cup. Think Earl Woods was thinking about "reality" or "fantasy"? A multi-racial player is the best in one of the whitest sports on earth.
That’s a terrible analogy. I’m just going to leave it at that.
To use your anology, if you make excuses in one hand and defecate in the other…..well I’m not so sure you’d bet the farm on that outcome.
That’s not an analogy, that’s a simile. :-)
That doesn’t change the reality of Kentucky’s situation in the SEC. You really should read this, that you may understand the reality of Kentucky’s situation.
You can get anoyed at us "fantasy" fans if you want but most of the great achievements in history wouldn’t have happened if people just accepted "reality"!
Really? Name one. Honestly, name one such situation. Acceptance of reality and the problems it presents does not mean acceptance of failure. I can’t figure out why people don’t understand that, but apparently it is a zero-sum game for some. It isn’t that way at all.
Failure to accept reality results in frustration and living in a fantasy world where magic bullets exist (like coaching changes or playing a freshman quarterback) that take a historical doormat and turn them into a championship football team.
Acceptance of reality is understanding that climbing out of that historical hole does not happen by throwing money at coaches or hoping that freshmen can magically step in and play like seniors. It happens through years of effort and focus, after many difficult setbacks and disappointments. It comes with pain and frustration and hair-pulling, slow torture, and dying with every failed play and tough loss — learning agonizing lessons one at a time and finally having the confidence to apply what you have learned.
If Kentucky continues to go to bowls, continues to recruit well and continues to improve as we have over the last three or four years, we will eventually get to a place where we can convince more and more good players to come. Success must come first, but before we can achieve that, we have to finish building the foundation.
Believe it or not, this year’s class was first year UK had a full four years worth of non-probation recruits during Brooks’ tenure. We are just now getting to a point to where our depth is sufficient at most positions that we can really compete in the SEC. Take a look at our recruiting since 2005:
2005: 4* – 0, 3* – 4, 2* – 22
2006: 4* – 3, 3* – 10, 2* – 17
2007: 4* – 1, 3* – 9, 2* – 18
2008: 4* – 1, 3* – 8, 2* – 11
2009: 4* – 3, 3* – 16, 2* – 9
So far this year, UK has commitments from six 3* players, a couple of 2*s, and three unrated players that Brooks took a flyer on. We are in on a good number of excellent players, but as usual, we will probably wind up with mostly 3* players. Compare that with South Carolina, who has signed more 4* recruits per year since 2005 than UK has signed combined since then. Last year alone, USC signed 14 Rivals 4* players.
The problem UK fans have, as do most fans, is being patient. We are making progress even though it may not be yielding results yet, but progress in the SEC is difficult and halting. This is not basketball, where one great recruiting class can make you a national competitor. Football takes many, many classes and years of improvement and development.
It is happening. It is just going to take a very long time. That is reality. You don’t have to accept it, of course, but it will impose itself on you. Reality bites. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 11, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Semantics!
You got me on the simile…you can’t expect someone with a UofL degree to be well educated!!;)
I did read everything you said and I agree with most of it. I think Brooks and his staff deserve credit for building UK’s depth and improving the overall team skill level.
That said, let me use your last point to respectfully disagree with your request for patience. You point out the # of 4* recruits SC has recruited over the last few years as opposed to the # UK has recruited. Is that because South Carolina has an overabundance of in state 4* players, SC’s storied football tradition, their vastly better facilities???
No, I’ll submit that it’s their coach. I’ll further submit that if any of those kids were looking at UK as well, that the difference in coach’s might/DID tip the balance.
I started with semantics because apparently we’re disagreeing on what the definaiion of is..is!:)
“Reality” is defined as “actual being or existence”. To me that means the general perception regarding something. You served in the Navy and have a much better understanding than I do that at one point in history, “reality” was that if you sailed beyond the horizon, you fell off the edge of the earth at some point……that the earth was the center of the universe….that bleeding a person would help them heal from an illness.
You asked for one example and I think your smarter than I am so there’s no point. History is replete with examples of people not accepting the “reality” of their situation or societies view of “reality”.
My concern is that too many people look at the UK Football program and their “reality” is that someday if we get really really lucky, we might beat UT. I know you read Bozick’s column this morning in the Courier where he said that UK would never beat Spurrier…..I think that was mostly tongue in cheek but unfortunately, he does have a point.
Patience is a virtue that sometimes get confused with acceptance……again with the semantics!!!;)
by UKlvrJM on Oct 11, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To answer your first question:
South Carolina has many, many more good football players coming out of high school than Kentucky. Fully half of USC’s 2009 4-stars are from South Carolina. Most of the rest are from Florida, a nearby state that Spurrier has very deep recruiting relationships in.
So yes, Spurrier helps getting players from Florida, but the USC players are just staying close to home, as indicated in the article link I gave you.
Do you think Spurrier would have come to UK if we had offered him zillions? I don’t think so, but that’s just an opinion. There are no coaches I know of with a national championship background who would come to UK — at least not yet. Before we can run with the big dogs, we have to earn that right, and UK has not earned it.
Patience is not acceptance, and nobody can ever confuse the two, in my opinion. We will agree to disagree.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 12, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If hiring...
a proven coach is all it will take, then why hasn’t South Carolina performed better? They should be on their way to a national championship by now by this logic. However, having made that point, I do believe that getting a top notch coach would give the program a real boost.
by kywineman on Oct 11, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and in addition...
so caro probably produces more football players per capita than uk
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Oct 11, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to congratulate you guys on a hard-fought game.
You have some of the pieces of a good team in place; just need to put it all together. We can certainly emphathize with that. Good luck with the rest of your season. I’ll say that I’m glad Cobb wasn’t under center all game. Brooks needs to get him the ball as often as possible.
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by Gamecock Man on Oct 11, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ll say that I’m glad Cobb wasn’t under center all game. Brooks needs to get him the ball as often as possible.
We all know this, we just wish the coaches knew it as well…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Oct 11, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
F***
That is all I can come up with…….UK had plenty of chances and couldn’t take advantage. There were a couple of bad calls, but UK still should have won.
Congrats to USC for pulling out a W. When they had to get first downs on the last drive, they got them.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Oct 11, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The drop by TC Drake was huge
And as stated above, not having Lindley was huge.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Oct 11, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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