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Morning Newspaper: Dream Game Blues Edition

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This morning, the big news is the 74-71 loss by Kentucky to arch-foe Louisville last night on a last-second three pointer.  Not a great way to begin your morning, but disappointment is part of every basketball fan's life.

And now, for the news:

Star-divide

2008 Dream Game News

  • Strong performance from Patterson.  Leading off with something positive here.
  • "To lose a game like that is pretty heart-breaking." -- Jodie Meeks.
  • Great rivalry delivers a great game.
  • "The Wildcats are strangely adept at finding new ways to hand possession of the ball to the other team. There is almost an art to the violence they commit to the basketball. It's like a Tarantino movie." -- Mike DeCourcy  
  • We didn't make the statement.  The score is up there. We lost." -- Patrick Patterson [Patterson gets it.  Moral victories are for losers. --Ed.]
  • Some fans were conflicted.
  • We still don't know for sure what the T on Gillispie was about.
  • More post-game thoughts.
  • Turnovers continue to hurt Kentucky.  [Ya think? --Ed.]
  • Fantastic finish at Freedom Hall.

Other UK News

  • Brooks showing the right moves.
  • Liberty Bowl leftovers.
  • Running backs are a top recruiting priority for Kentucky.

NCAA Football News

NCAA Basketball News

  • Boston College defeats North Carolina.
  • California upsets #17 Arizona State.

Other New of Interest

  • Former 'Cat seeks second career.

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Gillispie's Technical

IMO – Just yet another reason to find something to blame BCG for.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 5, 2009 8:20 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know ...

… I generally don’t blame coaches for technicals. They have to work the officials because if they don’t it puts the team at a disadvantage. I just wonder what words he had that were so horrible. It definitely wasn’t a technical for demonstrative behavior.

Perhaps he cast aspersions on the referee’s sexual preference, or maybe his parental legitimacy, but I rather doubt that. So I wonder …

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 9:57 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just meant

that I have encountered quite a few people that like to blame Gillispie for each loss and since they may have not had his coaching to blame for this loss, they could pin the whole technical = loss of momentum and Cardinal scoring run on him.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 5, 2009 10:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right, of course.

Billy Reed will probably write something along those lines. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 10:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone in the post mortem,

I Bleed Blue or whatever his name is I think, said Gillispie’s T lead to Louisville’s 12 point run. That’s crap of course. The T did halt the momentum UK had going, but I think the defensive breakdowns were more responsible for the 12 point run than the 1 point UL got from that T.

by blbskue on Jan 5, 2009 10:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have to think, though ...

… that the momentum shift did help precipitate it. We have seen that kind of thing before.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 10:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

I agree that it helped preciptate it, which I acknowledged by acknowledging that it halted UK’s momentum. But 12 unanswered points? I refuse to put that on the T.

by blbskue on Jan 5, 2009 5:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember the Fla Atlantic game?

When Perry Stevenson was pulled to the ground by a FAU player, right in front of the ref, and nothing was called. BCG went berzerk, and I assume said numerouse obscenities, yet no technical was called. But he says something like, hey ref, “are you wearing your wife’s french cut panties today?”, and he is T’d up. It’s a case of location, location, location! Freedom Hall and not Rupp! Although if this game was at Rupp and he got the technical, the crowd would have erupted, and it could have increased the momentum. But anyways, we live to see another day, and I truly believe at the end of the year we’ll have a higher NCAA seed than our ’lil sister (Loserville)!

gobigbluecatsfan72

by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 5, 2009 6:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Orientation

You’re not allowed to say Preference.

j/k of course – too PC these days!

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 11:19 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tom Leach

During G’s post-game interview (he was quite surly) I kept waiting for Leach to ask about it, but he never did. I probably wouldn’t have either for fear of being tossed over the scorer’s table :)

Anyway, I’ve softened a bit on G’s tech, but the timing was certainly not advantageous for UK. I have a feeling he may of spoke harshly of the officials parentage.

DeCourcy’s Tarentino line is accurate and funny. But really, after the first five or six minutes UK took pretty good care of the ball, with a few exceptions.

by Ken Howlett on Jan 5, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah ...

… you know, guys like DeCourcy tend to seize on certain stats as a revelation. The reality is, turnovers hurt, but turnover margin is what really hurts.

In the instant case, the margin was six, which is bad but not horrible. Louisville generally takes much better care of the ball than that. When you consider the massive whipping we put on the Cardinals in rebounding, we more than made up for the turnovers. We just didn’t shoot the ball particularly well, comparatively speaking. Our normal 2-point percentage is like 5 points higher than we shot.

I liked DeCourcy’s turn of phrase (I’m a sucker for that), but his observation is not particularly insightful.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 9:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know this is anectdotal...

….and probably tainted by bias, but didn’t you think that an inordinate number of blocked shots ended right back into UKs hands for easy put backs? I thinki UofL had 8 blocks and six of them were put back…..let’s just say. Would each of these putbacks be considered an offensive rebound? And certainly would help the shooting percentage….I’m just saying.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 3:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah. So?

That happens a lot with blocked shots, especially on dribble drives. Louisville was not in position, or they would have recovered the ball. It does not count as an offensive rebound, statistically, but since there is no possession change, it has exactly the same affect. It really doesn’t help shooting percentage, necessarily, it just gives you an extra shot, just like an OR.

It appears you are trying to chalk that up to luck, and I’m sure there was some of that, but I chose to believe it was player being in the right place. Or rather, Louisville players being disadvantaged by the attack and being out of position to collect the deflection, which is what a block is most analogous to.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 3:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not claiming luck necessarily...

…but the possible affect or skewing of game statistics. If my ‘theory’ was right, it would help to explain why UofL was outrebounded by seven and still won. Just wondering about the value of stats, that’s all.

By the way, if I was paranoid, I’d bring up the fact that UofL had 4 more fouls and that was with the added fouling that UK did at the end of the game…but I don’t want to do that. :)

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 3:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're paranoid.

You know you are. :-)

Just enjoy the victory. It was well earned.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 3:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The funny thing is these UNC and U of L fans "visiting"

A Sea of Blue. I never, NEVER, go to other schools sites, because I have no interest in what their “fans” say, and feel as though it would be a waste of my time. But when you’re the King of Basketball, I guess everyone wants to see what’s going on w/ya, huh? It’s great to be the All time winningest program, and w/UNC losing yesterday, we didn’t lose any ground there.

gobigbluecatsfan72

by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 5, 2009 6:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey ...

… I welcome all fans, of all schools. The only thing I don’t welcome is gloating after a loss, that’s just rude and people get mad and lose their religion.

But other than that, I welcome them as long as they adhere to our customs like everyone else, which they pretty much seem to do.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 7:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Louisville Controlled All the Way (Nearly)

The early turnovers by Meeks and others did not hurt. There was lots of time left. We came back. The T didn’t hurt. Lots of time; we came back.

What I thought was the key was that Louisville came out and took control of the game. Although we fought back, they never lost control. Except in the last minute.

Before the game, Forty reminded us that Pitino is not a good closer. That showed Sunday afternoon. His players made three egregious errors in the last minute, and he seemed not to know how to get them to regain their composure. Our defense kept Sosa from getting any offense started. They almost gave us an opportunity to win in OT.

by Fortunatus on Jan 5, 2009 10:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turnovers

I can understand commentators wanting to pin this on turnovers, but I think they are wrong. Thanks to great rebounding, UK actually had 2 more FGA than Louisville did. UL only had a two point edge in points off turnovers, 24-22. The real story here is the utterly improbable free throw shooting and the slightly more probable 3 point shooting by UL.

Also, one quick edit. Cal beat Arizona State last night, not Arizona.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Jan 5, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah well...

Back to the precious present.

We have a very weak SEC schedule in front of us. Honestly, if Tennessee (#18 ESPN/USA Today; #14 AP) loses to Gonzaga on Wednesday and then starts slow with the SEC schedule of at Georgia and home to Kentucky, we could see a poll with 0 SEC teams in the top 25. Wow. When’s the last time (if ever) that happened? (Paging 40yr… 40yr… A request for statistics has been made in the daily news thread. Repeat… a request for statistics has been made in the daily news thread.)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Surprised

Im surprise that we havent seen it more. G said in the preseason that Perry has really improved on his three point shooting. I was expecting him to take that shot more often this season but we havent really seen it. The more he makes it his confidence will rise and he will take it more often.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jan 5, 2009 5:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love Perry, but he seems as nervous and hesistant to shoot the ball,

as I was the night I lost my virginity! That sounded pretty corny, but I think I made a good point, LOL! Imagine if Perry woke up one day and weighed 250 pounds? A Beast he would be!

gobigbluecatsfan72

by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 5, 2009 6:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to disagree

In all due respect I have to disagree on Perry’s form. I’ve noticed on his free throws that he slings the ball. Jody Meeks and Patrick Patterson have good form but I wouldn’t count Perry’s as being good. Josh Harrelson has great form, he needs to take any open shot he can get.

by Danvillecat on Jan 6, 2009 2:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perry

I believe shoots over 70 percent on his free throws. IMO he can shoot it if he wants too.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jan 6, 2009 2:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.53 as a freshman, .78 as a sophomore, .74 this year but he’s only shot 34 of them. .74 isn’t bad as in Shaquille O’Neal bad but it’s not great either. If he had better form he’d be 10 percentage points better. I’m disagreeing with the statement that his form is excellent. Excellent form IMHO is on the level of a Steve Nash, 90+% on free throws.

by Danvillecat on Jan 6, 2009 3:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heart

This UK team is starting to show some. While disappointed with the loss, I’m encouraged. I’m more impressed with Porter every game. It’s time for him to stop passing up some of those open shots though. It was a good effort on the road at the Ville. Only possible losses we should have in the SEC IMHO are Tennessee and Arkansas.

On another interesting note, VMI just won their seventh straight game beating Gardner-Webb on Saturday. 3-0 in the conference is pretty darn good start for a team projected to finish sixth, eh???

by slidemank on Jan 5, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sunday wasn`t

all bad….North Carolina got beat! :)

by String Music on Jan 5, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like seeing them lose

BUT, for the sake of the team we should root for any team we play to win, except when we play them, right?

Of course, with UNC there is that pesky record they keeping sneaking closer and closer to. . .

by blbskue on Jan 5, 2009 5:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, and

with Louisville, well, it is Louisville. . .

by blbskue on Jan 5, 2009 5:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last game at Freedom Hall?

From the E-Town News-Enterprise:

STAR-STUDDED CROWD. Many former basketball stars turned out for what should be the last meeting at Freedom Hall between the rivals. The next time Louisville hosts, in the 2010-11 season, the Cardinals will be opening their new 22,000-seat downtown arena.

by OGETARTS on Jan 5, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who?

Who were the stars? Francisco Garcia? Come on. If he’s a star, I’m a giant squid.

by Anything but Gatorade on Jan 5, 2009 4:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Sorry, thought I’d go ahead and take it back to the 90s since 40 started it. I hope this doesn’t violate Tru’s no-politics rule ; )

by blue kentucky girl on Jan 5, 2009 5:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Gatorade

I thought the same thing when the announcers mentioned that Garcia was there; he was the guy who flattened Sparks on his 3-point shot a few years ago.

Don’t worry, he’s not a star, so you don’t have to worry about becoming someone’s seafood dinner :)

by Ken Howlett on Jan 5, 2009 5:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean Ellis Myles

…it wasn’t Francisco. And the way I remember, it was a touchy foul anyway. :)

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jan 6, 2009 12:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Missed Best "Story"

I believe you omitted the most relevant and accurate commentary from the game: Mark Story’s “2 players and 3 role players” evaluation of UK’s core players:

by Wild Weasel on Jan 5, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Missing Link

http://www.kentucky.com/827/story/646671.html

This link was on “PREVIEW” but not on “POST”

by Wild Weasel on Jan 5, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read it.

I don’t know, it didn’t do that much for me. Seems a rehash of stuff I’ve read elsewhere, but your mileage may vary.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 7:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

New USA Today/ESPN Top 25

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/polls?poll=3

1. Pittsburgh

19. Minnesota

21. Louisville

22. West Virginia (UK beat them by double digits, but they were unranked at the time)

25. Tennessee

by OGETARTS on Jan 5, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tennessee

I really hope they beat Gonzaga (who has been slumping also) at home on Wednesday… if they don’t, it’ll mean we have zero SEC teams in the top 25.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 6:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the link. : )

One question though? I kind of always thought the AP poll carried the most weight. Yes? No? With so many polls out there it’s really hard to tell which one means the most come March??

Oh, and chirop, I too will be joining the “UT Fan-Club” for a day (Oh, the things I do for the SEC!) and will be rooting for those pesky Vols on Wednesday for the reason you pointed out.

by BigSkyCat on Jan 5, 2009 6:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on what you mean by 'weight'

Neither poll has any bearing on seeding come tournament time (which is what ultimately matters IMO). But in terms of the human polls, I think the AP is a slightly better measure than the coaches poll since the media actually sees many (though not all) of the teams play whereas oftentimes the coaches don’t even vote in their own poll leaving it to SIDs or assistants or someone else. Besides, the only teams coaches watch are who they have upcoming and who they have played against – they have too many more important things to do than watch basketball for purposes of ranking teams.

On the whole, I don’t think either poll is worth the electrons they’re displayed with, but since ranked teams get more coverage I suppose I’ll just have to deal with it and hope UK can jump in at some point.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Jan 5, 2009 7:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know, honestly,

I guess I never paid much attention to the different rankings and what exactly they mean before, so obviously, I guess you all can tell how much "weight" I put on rankings – not much at all. I suppose, in a way, the rankings are just something for sportswriters to write about and analysts to talk about and something for fans to watch for and either brag about or be depressed about.

As far as what I mean by "weight", I suppose at this time of the year I was referring to the rankings that are displayed when we are watching the teams on television, whether that be ESPN, CBS, ABC, etc.. I would have thought that there was some consistency and structure across the board for these things, but apparently not. For example, I always thought the AP poll was used for television purposes. But, tonight as I was watching Georgetown play at Notre Dame (ND, not a fave of mine, btw) and the teams are ranked 10 and 13 respectively — those rankings are not coming from the AP poll like I thought they would be, they are coming from the USA Today/ESPN poll. So, it would seem that CBS, ESPN, etc., are all probably using their own polls for television purposes, huh?

Regarding March and the meaningless AP rankings, if my memory serves, I think last year (2007/2008) was the first year that the top 4 teams in the final AP poll of the year (UNC, Memphis, UCLA, Kansas) all received #1 seeds in the tournament. So last year, in a way, I guess the AP poll kind of did mean something. : )

by BigSkyCat on Jan 5, 2009 11:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe that CBS uses the AP poll

And ESPN uses the USA Today/ESPN poll (go figure)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jan 6, 2009 9:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UT

15th in the other poll (AP).

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 7:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BigSkyCat, there are also 2 games of interest tomorrow night in the SEC...

Texas @ Arkansas, Go Pelfrey, and Alabama @ Clemson, which is 14-0 (played all cupcakes though). Also, UNC will get beat at Wake Forest this week, a good matchup between the 3rd and 4th ranked teams in the country. Not that polls matter to us!

gobigbluecatsfan72

by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 5, 2009 7:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uhhhh no.

Clemson has not played an all-cupcake schedule. Wins at Illinois, at Miami (FL), and at South Carolina, as well as a semi-neutral court win over Temple. They’ve also won a road game at Charlotte which isn’t a great team but is a school that no other ACC team has ever played a true road game against.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Jan 5, 2009 7:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like I said, A cupcake schedule.....Just because Alex Legion plays @ Illinois, does

not make them a great team. Miami of Florida is overrated, we just had a terrible first half against them, and should have won by 15+. Charlotte is terrible!!!!! And why would an ACC team go there to play them, just like why would UK go to Murray State or EKU? Doesn’t make sense!

gobigbluecatsfan72

by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 5, 2009 8:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have you actually watched any of these teams play?

Illinois has more players than Alex Legion (who wasn’t even playing at that point) and they have a pretty good team this year, as does Miami(FL). UK should have beaten Miami, but they didn’t. Meanwhile Clemson beat them on the road by 19. And don’t try to compare Charlotte to Murray St or EKU – they are a level above those teams.

Clemson is good this year and Alabama doesn’t stand a chance tomorrow night.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Jan 5, 2009 8:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whait a minute
Clemson is good this year and Alabama doesn’t stand a chance tomorrow night.

I’ve seen ‘bama play twice and they indeed have a chance… I see a 6-8 point game, Clemson, But to say "bama doesn’t have a chance..?

heh, I think they do…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Jan 5, 2009 9:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, I've seen both Bama and Clemson

Maybe saying “Alabama doesn’t have a chance” is too harsh, but I don’t think they have anything more than the standard chance that any team has when they play a game. Clemson wins by double digits.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Jan 5, 2009 9:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why because Clemson beat Charlotte 71-70, or was it

the fact that they beat Hofstra, TCU, Wofford, Savannah Stl, Presbyterian, Liberty, S Carolina St., or maybe Liberty? Could have been the fact they beat North Floriday. Even the gators play a tougher schedule than Clemson…..Write this down: Clemson will lose 5 of its next 7 games……..And yes, I have see them play. Overrated, just like the rest of the ACC and Big East! I think you might be like the Volunteers and are wearing your headband too tight or something!

gobigbluecatsfan72

by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 5, 2009 10:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clemson

I agree that I believe Clemson will fade over the stretch, however… for a UK fan to say any other team has a “cupcake” schedule this year is the definition of people in glass houses throwing stones.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jan 6, 2009 9:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I find it humorous how you selectively choose the worst teams to make your argument

While ignoring all the good teams Clemson has beaten. By your logic, UK doesn’t have a prayer in the SEC (which obviously isn’t true). Clemson hasn’t played the toughest schedule in the nation – I never claimed they did. But they have beaten enough good teams (all on the road) to indicate their success is real.

Will Clemson go the entire season undefeated? Of course not – no one will. If that’s your definition of ‘overrated’ then I guess every team must be overrated in your eyes. And Clemson will not lose 5 of its next 7. Do you even know who they are playing over their next 7? I mean right now without having to look at a schedule? I doubt it.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Jan 6, 2009 11:59 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

someone is a Clemson fan : )

by blue kentucky girl on Jan 6, 2009 4:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, yes I am ;-)

I went to school at Clemson and live here now. I’ve been able to watch OP resurrect that program from dirt (the current state of Indiana is nothing compared to where Clemson was 5-6 years ago) to where it is now and I get irritated when people who don’t know better make comments about them, much the way we all get when idiot fans/media make similar comments about UK.

bigbluecatsfan just had the misfortune of making an offhand comment about the wrong team ;-p

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Jan 6, 2009 5:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I kind of like Clemson on principle

Not only on are they obviously the by-far-the-least-hateful ACC school, also it’s just b/c of the name of their coach. Like davw mentioned before, I CANNOT hear the name Oliver Purnell without both thinking and saying out loud to whoever’s nearby “It’s gooooood!!” and then giggling maniacally.

by blue kentucky girl on Jan 6, 2009 6:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jan 7, 2009 7:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OP

Thanks for using the initials.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jan 6, 2009 6:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

66-59 Clemson

About right were I thought the game would be 6-8… Not double digits, in fact, if this game is played in Bama, it would be a 3-5 victory for the tide…

Clemson is a nice team, but no way a top 15 team… It will prove out in the ACC

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Jan 7, 2009 12:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know about that.

Clemson is really good when they get you to play their game. I am actually very interested in seeing them play UNC, practically the only team that can run with them (not to mention way more talented).

Clemson is just one of those “system” teams that have to play a certain way to be really tough, but they try hard to get the tempo where they want it. And with the way today’s players play in high school, it’s hard to hold them back. Remember VMI?

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 7, 2009 7:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Polls and rankings...

I am just going to sit back and watch UK play each game that comes on the schedule and hopefully see improvement in each game. I don’t get caught up in rankings. All I care about is our team winning and improving each game.

by kykat51 on Jan 5, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Other News of Interest

I enjoyed that article about Michael Bradley. Even though he transferred to Villanova after his sophomore year, he still loves UK. I hope he finds success in another career after returning from playing in the Euro League, and I am sure he will.

Very interesting what he said about if one had UK on his resume going to the Euro’s…can possibly double the money if one is a good player. That speaks volumes to any recruit.

Good luck Mike!

by kykat51 on Jan 5, 2009 7:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Erik Had The Same Experience

The Euro teams really wanted him because he played for UK.

There is decent $ to be made (tax free) in Europe if you don’t mind being away from USA.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 8:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How is it tax free?

A US citizen working abroad is subject to US taxation. One can often avoid double taxation by claiming an offset based on foreign taxes paid, but not paying US tax (or more correctly, filing a US tax return) can earn you a one-way ticket to Leavenworth.

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Jan 6, 2009 10:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

many of these teams

will pay your income tax, so if they offer you $1 million tax-free, they do the math and pay you $1.3 million (or whatever it comes out to…that was just an example).

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Jan 6, 2009 10:26 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, okay

I get the point, and I have definitely seen that in action. But really they are just paying you a higher salary – not really tax free, even if that is how they sell it. It’s like your current employer just saying he will pay you your current take home income “tax free.” Same thing as paying you your normal salary pre-tax.

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by NYCCats on Jan 6, 2009 10:39 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true, but...

it makes a big difference when you’re making millions of dollars. that’s one reason why josh childress left the NBA for Europe. He had offers of 4-5 million here, but he’s making somewhere around 7 million tax free in Greece. The numbers might be a little off…i’m going off the top of my head, but he’s actually making twice as much as he would here.

also, not that I believe this will actually happen, but there has been talk that since European teams have no salary cap, thery could make monster offers to the really big stars. Numbers I’ve seen thrown around include $50 million tax-free to Kobe or Lebron for just one season. No way an NBA team could match that ($75 million+) even without a salary cap.

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by UKWildCatFanatic on Jan 6, 2009 3:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No doubt

If a Euro team wants to pay an NBA player mega-bucks to go over there, more power to them. I just get concerned when it is described as “tax free”, because I would hate for Michael Bradley (or Ramel Bradley, etc.) to wind up in federal prison for tax evasion because they didn’t think they needed to pay any taxes (or, more likely, end up paying taxes when they thought they didn’t owe them and ending up economically worse than they thought they would be).

Now, if it’s a former Duke player, I hope they believe it’s tax free and end up in prison for life. . . :)

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by NYCCats on Jan 6, 2009 3:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he's talking ...

… about the earned income exclusion. I think it’s $87,500 or something like that, and that can be excluded from US income tax if you qualify for it. At least according to my layman’s understanding of the law.

There is also a significant foreign housing exclusion that foreign US workers may be eligible for.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 6, 2009 10:30 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also true

But still not “tax free”, as those deductions often are not that significant relative to the total income (and are frequently offset by not being able to take deductions that a US resident would be able to).

/end tax policy threadjack

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by NYCCats on Jan 6, 2009 10:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good points, all.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 6, 2009 2:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes...tax free is a great incentive

And actually meeting and interacting with other peoples and cultures. I guess it depends on the individual.

by kykat51 on Jan 5, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, UK has already beaten the #1 team in the country...

…according to Pomroy

He has West Virginia ranked #1, and we beat them on a neutral court, 54-43..

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Jan 5, 2009 9:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am still upset...

UK lost to UofL

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by SevenRings on Jan 5, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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