Kentucky Basketball: A reason to arise from your slumber
I suppose I feel as good as I can after a loss to UK's most hated rival. The reason for those "good" feelings can be traced back to last year, a year in which UK lost by 14 to Louisville in Rupp Arena. It was a game where UK was helpless in the second half against U of L's smothering 2-3 defense. It was a game where U of L shot 46 free throws to UK's 27, a sure sign of UK being "out-athleted." It was a game that left many feeling that Billy Gillispie had a long road to travel in order to bring the Big Blue back to being relevant on a national basis.
Yesterday's game gave me, and many other fans, reason to believe that UK is within arms reach of once again being a national player. Yesterday's game also saw UK narrow the free throw shooting discrepency mentioned above to a 23-22 U of L advantage, a positive sign that UK is catching up with their opponents in the athleticism department.
Yesterday Louisville, desperate for victory, and chronically underachieving this season, played without a doubt their strongest and most complete game of the year. Yet, upstart Kentucky, unbelievably had victory in sight, until the perpetually dog-housed Edgar Sosa buried, with the cold calculation of a serial killer, a 25-foot dagger deep into the hearts of Kentucky fans around the Commonwealth (as much as I would like to give Sosa an atomic-wedgie, his quote after the game about how the win felt is classic: "Like pouring a pound of sugar on top of ice cream").
The talk among UK fans is of resiliency; the talk is of a never-say-die attitude; the talk is of toughness. All of those things are admirable, and they must all be present for a team to be truly good. But even more importantly, talent and coaching must also be readily apparent on the floor-of-play. To me it seemed obvious that the talent level of those wearing blue yesterday is most decidedly improved over the last three years. Many of the players are the same, but the enhanced play, and confidence shown in the face of relentless pressure (other than the first few minutes), renders the "old Kentucky" of the last few years, dead and buried.
And it all starts with Patrick Patterson. I swear I would wash Rick Pitino's fleet of vehicles for six months if Patterson would come back next year; the superlatives to describe his play cannot be overstated. But, I'm at a loss to come up with anything new to describe how good Patterson has become; he's a beast, he's in possession of a heart larger than Secretariat's, and his talent is to be envied. He leads not with his mouth, but with his effort and determination.
Jodie Meeks is next in line. While Meeks often doesn't know a good shot from a bad one, and his ball-handling would at times fold under questioning (i.e. it can be weak), there is no denying that he can flat-out take over a game with his offensive prowess. And the good news is that Meeks' weaknesses CAN be coached out of him; his deficiencies aren't in his talent level, but rather in his decision-making. Gillispie is aware of this fact and I'm sure he will offer some sage words of wisdom in an effort to further enable Meeks to become the most efficient offensive player that he can be.
Defensively, Meeks is tenacious, at times. Which is the problem. He should be tenacious D 24/7. It's up to Gillispie to persuade the young man to play defense the way he plays offense; perpetually.
Perry Stevenson has the talent, if only he would believe as I do. Stevenson, in the U of L game offered up a typical Perry stat line: 31 minutes, 3-5 from the field, 1-1 from the three-point line (well, that's not typical), seven points, six rebounds, two assists, and three blocks. Solid play, but with an ounce more offensive confidence Stevenson would become UK's much needed third reliable scorer. I'm at a loss as to how to make Stevenson believe that he can become an offensive force, but Gillispie needs to find a way to extract that potential and make it reality.
Possibly the most hotly debated and discussed player in UK's recent history is Michael Porter. The undeniable truth is that Porter has improved his play tremendously over the last year or so. He's not, and never will be a great college basketball player. But his talent is at a high enough level, that when coupled with his desire and floor-burn mentality, renders him very difficult for Gillispie to keep out of the lineup. His ball-handling has become much steadier, although he still puts passes in very difficult positions for his teammates to catch and shoot. But, even in that area of his game he has matured beyond the point that most people thought him capable of reaching.
Porter has come a long way, but one aspect of his game that needs to continue to progress is his confidence level, as it pertains to his shot. He passed up more than a few open threes yesterday, even though he has shot the ball very well over the last few games. Defensively Porter is adequate, even though he's a bit ham-strung by his lack of lateral quickness. He's very active, and can be a disruptive defensive force when he's playing his best. None of those things were true only a year ago.
Based on their collective performance versus U of L yesterday, the UK freshmen didn't impress. But, the atmosphere of yesterday's game was not conducive to freshmen excelling, unless ones name is Rex Chapman. Even U of L's heralded big-man Samardo Samuels, playing at home, could only produce four points, four fouls, and one rebound in 11 minutes of play. So I preach patience when discussing Darius Miller and DeAndre Liggins. They have the talent, but talent is useless if the player doesn't know how to use it, or lacks the confidence to try. Once again, Gillispie's opus is to develop his recruits, something that I have faith he will do.
I know, UK fans in particular don't want to hear happy-talk about what to feel good about after a loss to Louisville. But, hey, I'm trying to change the culture (not really), and I feel good about this team. What we have to accept is that Billy Gillispie's strategy in yesterday's game was to collapse in the middle, taking away Earl Clark and Samuels inside, along with Terrence Williams' slashes to the basket. He wanted to force Louisville to beat Kentucky from the outside; a sound philosophy considering U of L's previously poor three-point shooting against less than stellar competition -- Williams, who was 3-5 yesterday, came in sporting 32.7% accuracy; Sosa, who was 2-4 yesterday, was previously shooting 20.0% from beyond the arc; and Earl Clark who was 0-4 in the game, came in averaging 31.6% -- That's a cumulative 26.7% from the three-point line for those three players. Gillispie's gamble worked on Clark, but Sosa and Williams made him pay the ultimate price.
So let's not be too down; a solid strategy was defeated. Don't allow that to reflect poorly on UK's future. This team still has work to do (I sound like Billy), and if the current rate of improvement continues along the same arc, I like UK's chances of having a very successful season. The players currently apart of the program are capable, the next step is for Gillispie to hone their capabilities into a championship caliber club. That may not happen this year, but it's not far away.
Congratulations to the Cardinals, it was a victory hard earned.
Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!
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I agree
This team has made alot of strides this season.Porter played much better than I expected.Looks like at the moment,no one is stepping up to become the third scorer.I was hoping for a breakout game for someone,but it did not happen.
by -Zoso- on Jan 5, 2009 6:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yup, not having a consistent 3rd scorer is
…. the difference in being a good team and being a great team.
Hopefully someone will step up soon.
by OGETARTS on Jan 5, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UK vs UL
You cannot complain about getting beat that way (a Jay Shidler 25 footer)… I agree Porter has improved but I would have liked to have seen Liggins or Galloway in the game at that point on Sosa to protect against the drive and the shot… Porter having to lay back to make up for a lack of quickness on that play allowed Sosa the oppurtunity to pull up and shoot and he did… 21 turnovers were costly, 15 turnovers and you win by six or eight points… I am sure Billy G made a reference to the refs mother to get the T… Would have loved to see how this team would have played with the lead at that point but the T blew that chance… It is a rivalry game so you can only take so much away from it… Let the conference play begin!!!
ShagOnSports
by ShagOnSports on Jan 5, 2009 6:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
End of the game
BG could not sub for Porter on defense because he was out of timeouts.
by -Zoso- on Jan 5, 2009 6:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh ...
… and there was no dead ball. Good point.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 6:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He...
probably could have gotten one of them in during the Meeks free throws.
by the spork on Jan 5, 2009 7:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong...
But we were still behind at that point?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lead by 1
We took the lead by one at that point and then U of L went on a 9 to 0 run…
ShagOnSports
by ShagOnSports on Jan 5, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually...
speaking about the final 2 free throws by Meeks that tied the game. Just saying that if BG had wanted to he could’ve subbed for Porter then.
by the spork on Jan 6, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On the Final Play
I can live with Sosa taking a 30-foot shot. That’s 9-feet BEHIND the 3pt line. He was shooting 20% coming into the game. It was a lucky shot and probably not what Pitino wanted, but obviously he’ll take it since he made it.
I wish we didn’t turn the ball over so much. That killed us plus U of L’s hot shooting from the outside.
by OGETARTS on Jan 5, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was watching the game
with a few UofL fans. After that shot went in, my friend (solid but nice UL fan), put his head down and said quietly, “Silly shot. Silly silly shot.” I think rational UL fans are so tired of seeing those “silly” shots from Sosa that even they weren’t exactly happy with the choice, just the outcome.
by blbskue on Jan 5, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly agree that Sosa's shot was flukish ...
but at the same time Porter improbable 3 from 25 feet out falls into the same category.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 5, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW,I finally figured out BG
and exactly what he is doing with the team.His descisions have baffled me at times for over a season,but now it became obvious during the game.He only plays man to man defense.Why?Because great teams play man.Now to offense,and the turnover saga.This team should slow down,and the turnovers would decrease.Not in BG’s world.This team is going to play fast,and attack the basket,because great teams do.BG does not change,players must adapt.UK is going to get better.BG also knows that teams that score alot is very appealing to recruits.BG is confident he will get the players for the system.
by -Zoso- on Jan 5, 2009 6:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree that ...
… it was Gillispie’s strategy to force Louisville to beat UK from the perimeter, keep the guards out of the lane and avoid a lot of shots in the paint. The inevitable result is that Louisville will get some open shots, and they made them with uncharacteristic regularity.
It happens. No plan is without a trade off. I hate the loss, but at least we lost because they took it, not because we gave it away.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 7:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Meeks
I am feeling particularly ugly this AM following my Heels’ loss to BC. The Heels got beaten soundly by a team that played better, smarter, and more effectively. I would have preferred a fluke. This win looks like the Heels are easily beatable.
That said, I take issue with the descriptions of Meeks’ game. I noticed that the sentiment of the announcers at the game has been reflected by this blog. I offer this for consideration:
Meeks has no clue how to play basketball, he simply knows how to shoot. Against an incoherent defense such as the collection of players in Freedom Hall yesterday, that is almost enough for a win. From my perspective, Meeks could be a very good player, but he probably will not put in the time to learn how to play the game. I hope I am incorrect, because he could be a pleasure to watch if he were to work hard.
by Ford Prefect on Jan 5, 2009 8:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Meeks works very hard and plays as hard as anyone
…. BUT he does need to improve his ball handling and decision making. Those are definite weaknesses for him.
by OGETARTS on Jan 5, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
U of L's defense
That incoherent defense (I realize D is foreign to most ACC teams) is one of the best defenses in the country.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 5, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
That too, Ford. Where do you get off disrespecting Louisville’s defense? It’s significantly better than Carolina’s, statistically.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God.
I can’t believe I just stood up for Louisville. That loss must have mentally deranged me.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations
….you beat me to the punch. It’s always great to watch others grow and mature right in front of your eyes!! :)
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Razzie to you :-P
Don’t make me regret it. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
I am going to forgive you for saying that since your North Carolina team lost and your head isn’t on straight. Jodie Meeks doesn’t know how to play basketball? That is laughable. Anyway again I forgive you!
Boston College did a good job on NC last night. I think that it says that anyone is beatable. Did that loss signify that North Carolina is not the best team(the best team in the NCAA since the 96 Cats)….heck no. It will only make them stronger. I bring this up because all the fussing about VMI handling us our you know what……..we need to realize that any team can have a good night. Any team can have a bad night. I think maybe just maybe the VMI loss won’t hurt us as much as others says it did. BTW, VMI I think has only lost three games so far.
by tenken on Jan 5, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… Meeks needs work on most everything not related to scoring. He isn’t a particularly good defender, he is a poor ball handler and rebounder.
But the reality is, all our players that are good at the other things I mentioned, with the exception of Patterson, can’t score. Meeks will get better, and I take issue with your " …no clue how to play basketball…" comment, that is not only factually wrong but a pejorative in the way you put it. If you are irate about the Tarheels, why take it out on us?
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
he is a decent rebounder and has had numerous productive games rebounding. 3.1 per game is not bad for a guard.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 5, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
I hadn’t looked at that stat lately, and 3.1 is not that bad. I expect more from him, but I can live with that number. Earlier this year, he was rebounding very poorly, but now it seems he has turned that around.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 6, 2009 7:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absurd.
I will not stand idly by while someone insinuates that Jodie Meeks, of ALL PEOPLE, doesn’t work hard. That is outrageous. Meeks is known as a player who works incredibly hard, on and off the court. He and Patterson are neck and neck as far as work ethic is concerned. That’s a totally ignorant thing to say. Yeah, if only Meeks were to work hard…PUHLEASE!
His game has some holes, that’s for sure. His handle is suspect, he doesn’t see the floor well, and his defense is inconsistent. However, to claim that he has no clue how to play basketball is ridiculous. He moves as well without the ball as anyone in the country. That takes a small bit of basketball knowledge. He’s also a much better finisher around the rim this season than in the past. He’s more than just a shooter now.
by BBallSophist on Jan 5, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… to be fair to Ford, I think he meant work hard on the flaws in his game, not on the floor. Those two words don’t fit the rest of the context of his comment, so I gave him a break on that.
On the other hand, I have been accused of giving people more credit than they deserve, so …
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From my perspective, Meeks could be a very good player, but he probably will not put in the time to learn how to play the game. I hope I am incorrect, because he could be a pleasure to watch if he were to work hard.
(emphasis added by myself)
Seems to me that he’s clearly saying that meeks doesn’t work hard or put in the time necessary to improve (as if he hasn’t improved from the moment he’s put on a Kentucky uniform) and also that he probably won’t put in the time in the future, as if he has any clue how much Meeks currently works on his game or how much he will work on it in the future. I find that and the sentiment that Meeks has “no clue how to play basketball” offensive and, to put it as kindly as possible, ignorant.
by BBallSophist on Jan 5, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree ...
… that the “no clue” statement was ignorant, and I said so. I read the “…probably will not put in the time …” part to be directed at his weaknesses, and for a fact, players often practice their strengths much more than their weaknesses.
If he were actually suggesting Meeks doesn’t work hard in practice, well, that’s just ignorant too. But to my point (and I thought, to his) Meeks is clearly not working hard enough on his weaknesses. We have seen no improvement to speak of in his ballhandling and passing, and his defense is still inexplicably mediocre for such an active, intense player on the offensive side of the ball, although he is rebounding the ball well enough now.
I also believe Meeks works very hard on his game. That’s clearly evident from the incredible effort he puts out on the floor — very few players, if any, in college basketball play to exhaustion like Meeks does, and I expect he puts forth that same effort in practice. But effort only equals results if you put the effort where it is needed most, and at this point, I don’t think it is at all clear that Meeks is doing that in practice.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 6, 2009 7:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Meeks, offensively is as intense as any player playing today, which makes his lack of consistent intensity all the more perplexing.
I would think that G would demand a more credible, consistent defensive effort, but when he’s tuned in to playing D he is very, very good.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 6, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Optimism...
hard to believe that I typed that after that heart breaker, but we looked pretty good at times.
19/22 from the line? Thats ridiculous.
Patt – 22 and 15 – SEC player of the year
Meeks had a good day, but 6 TO? I think that I read that he turned the ball over on 3 of our first 4 possessions. He needs to settle down.
Stevenson’s shot looks great, I like seeing him take those threes from the top of the key. One time he traveled and the crowd reacted, then he traveled again, the ref missed it twice. He really has to work on his foot work.
Porter had a great game and did a great job of being aware of the clock, not only did he beat the shot clock from Lexington, he drove to half court and got off a half decent look at the end.
I believe Samuels had the best game of all the freshmen, but foul trouble got the best of him.
If Patt leaves, we could have a role reversal next year. Star forward Soph Samuels of UL vs. top recruit Daniel Orton of UK.
by the spork on Jan 5, 2009 8:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Samuels had the best game of all the freshmen
Isn’t that an amazing thing to say? Sadly true.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that...
…I just threw up a little in my mouth.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Something I should have included in my post:
From the 9:05 mark of the second half, until Sosa’s miracle, U of L made only one field goal.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 5, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Disturbing Stat
During one of their rambling exchanges (which all too often ignored the action on the court), the TV commentators noted that UK had lost 20 out of its last 22 games against ranked opponents. If true, yesterday’s game makes 21 out of 23, and rather dramatically illustrates that this year’s team—although more talented than last year’s edition—is not likely to go very far assuming it squeaks into the tournament. Don’t shoot the messenger…I’m just recounting what the announcers said during yesterday’s game.
by tooblue on Jan 5, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Unlikely to have the chance to play more ranked teams
If Tennessee loses to Gonzaga on Wedensday and then starts slow in SEC play (at Georgia; home to Kentucky); they’ll tumble from the rankings and we won’t have any ranked teams in the SEC.
RE Tenken: Arkansas won’t be ranked anytime soon. The only teams even showing up in "Others receiving votes are Florida (in both the AP and USA Today) and LSU (only the USA today). Tennessee won’t tumble from the rankings today, they are #14 in AP and #18 in USA Today and lost a game at Kansas (who was favored to win).
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally
disagree. If we continue to improve I like our chances against anyone. BTW, West Virginia looks to get ranked I think. Also, I think Kansas State might be in the mix as well. Arkansas will be ranked. Tennessee will lose their ranking today but will get it back. By seasons end, we have a chance to beat some ranked teams.
by tenken on Jan 5, 2009 9:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
South Carolina is playing pretty good too
and LSU is flying under the radar.
by OGETARTS on Jan 5, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be all about the SEC Tournament
…unless UK somehow completely dominates the regular season. The SEC will deserve a Top Eight pick because they are a major conference. This likely means a #2 seed. Therefore, the SEC’s top representitive will likely come from the tournament winner…unless it is an upset winner.
So to me, UK is still in the running for a #2 seed, but it will have to likely come from being the SEC Tournament winner…regardless of the likely EOY weak conference RPI rating.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could agree with you...
But I honestly don’t see Kentucky climbing much higher into the polls than the low teens and I do think they’ll win the SEC regular season with a 13-3 record. I don’t see them getting any higher than a 4 seed.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
…don’t get all hung up on the poll ranking alone when determining the seeding. Major conference winners get high seeds in the tournament.
I’ll go ahead and make a prediction….if UK wins both the regular season SEC championship (and I think that is likely) and wins the SEC Tournament, they will be a #2 seed. I’d bet my next paycheck that they would certainly be a #3 seed.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2001
UK was 19-9 and SEC co-champs. Then 22-9 as SECT champs. Earned #2 seed and #9 ranking despite a horrible 0-2 start to that (2001) season.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
40
This is off the top of my head,but I was thinking UK had the #1 SOS that year?I remember back then with 9 losses I was thinking 3-4 seed,and to my suprise we got a 2!
by -Zoso- on Jan 5, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe So
I’d rather be undefeated against a weak schedule than 20-10 against a tough one.
Tough SOS just brings too many L.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure
You have to find a balance.
We dont want to be UF.
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by davw83 on Jan 5, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I Don't Know
2006 and 2007 Gator schedules turned out OK in March.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Forty
Yeah, UK lost a game to St. Johns on a terrible, terrible call at the end (the official called Tubby and apologized), and lost in OT to UCLA in a game UK should have won in regulation.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 5, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The 2001 Cats Were Talented
But they started 0-2 (like only 2009 and 1976 teams that i can remember).
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: chirop
I’ll take a 4 seed this considering UK has been stuck in the 8,9 rut for the last few years.
But I do think that if they go 13-3, or 12-4 in the SEC AND win the SECT, then they may be in line for a 2 or 3 seed. That would be fantabulous :)
by Ken Howlett on Jan 5, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
8-8-11 Last 3 Years
Due for 4 or 5 (maybe higher) this year.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are right tenken...
but the fact remains that, so far this year, we have yet to beat a ranked team.
by tooblue on Jan 5, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And unless I'm forgetting
we only beat 1 ranked team last year – Tennessee at Rupp. Florida wasn’t ranked when we beat them at Rupp.
by blbskue on Jan 5, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Vandy ranked when we beat them at Rupp?
In fact, I’m positive they were.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UK Beated 2 Ranked Teams Last Year
Not that it matters. I’d rather beat unranked teams in March than ranked teams earlier.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Be careful on compimenting Porter
But let me be clear:
1. Porter had an excellent game….for him.
2. I have defended him from the beginning for being asked to play a role that he never was recruited for or asked for…
3. However, he cannot be the ultimate answer. What you saw yesterday was as good as it can get. There is limited if no more upside. The team needs a point guard can lead a team for further improvement and Porter isn’t it.
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by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with that.
Porter, right now, is filling in for a more capable player. I sometimes wonder if that player is on our roster this year.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Porter
Would learn to feed the post better. He struggles at getting Patterson the ball. He could easily average 5 assists per game if he could do that.
by OGETARTS on Jan 5, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… to be fair, that isn’t all Porter’s fault. Post feeds should come from the wing more so than from the top of the key where a point guard spends most of his time.
But Porter could do more if he would shoot the ball more when he is open. That will force the defense to play him more honestly, and enable him to create space between his defender and the post. Right now, his man is able to deny the post feed because he can play two people at once.
Porter needs to drive the ball into the paint more, and force the wing defender to back off his man. That will give our wings more room to operate and make the entry to the post easier from there. It’s too easy, right now, for defenders to deny the wing pass to the post.
But really, what needs to happen is Liggins or Galloway need to take over the point and move Porter to a backup combo guard rather than starter. That would take tremendous pressure off Mike, and make him even more effective. He just isn’t getting help from the guys who ought to be in that spot.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wing
Tru is totally correct about post feeds needing to come from the wings. The angle from the wing is so much better for a bounce pass which is usually the best way to enter the ball to a post player. Throwing over the top is much more difficult.
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by davw83 on Jan 5, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, it's not all Porter's fault
You gotta put the blame on the entire group — Porter, Liggins, Meeks and Harris. None of them are very good at getting Patterson the ball.
by OGETARTS on Jan 5, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You may have lost...
… but from what I saw, Florida gets two Ls from Kentucky this year.
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by Gatorpilot on Jan 5, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!!
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 5, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Offense
ofcourse to you, GatorPilot. :)
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 5, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… I haven’t seen Florida play but once this year (against FSU — tough loss, that), but Florida is going to be sound. The young guys need to develop. We know that story well. You really needed Speights to stay another year.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless
that is awfully kind of you to say, Gator.
by blbskue on Jan 5, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GP: I was thinking about you last night; wondering why we haven't heard from you in a while.
Good luck in the Nat’l Title game. I’ll be rooting for the Gators, and thanks for the kind words. This team seems to be coming together, but I wouldn’t write off the UK games as losses just yet, especially the game in Gainesville.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 5, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your right Gatorpilot.
Florida will have trouble with PP. Spieghts going pro cost them big time. Tyrus can score but I haven’t seen him hit the boards. Calathes looks to have lost his shot and if he doesn’t find it, the Gators are in for a long year. They will finish no better than third in the SEC East.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 5, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
UF is in some trouble… there weak OOC schedule is not going to help them either. They will not make the tourny in my opinion.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 5, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure.
I think Florida, unlike last year, has the opportunity to peak at the right time this year. They have lots of things to motivate them now. Things just came a little to easy for them last year, and it showed in their toughness.
I think this Florida team will be pretty good by the end of the year. I would be mildly surprised if they don’t make the tournament, but their youth is a real problem.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jan 6, 2009 7:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On playing ranked teams from the SEC
We will be the top ranked team from the SEC when we go 14-2 and win the conference tournament. You can guarantee Ricky doesn’t want to see UK again come NCAA time. BG is building something here. Not sure the real future point guard will be here next year either Tru.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 5, 2009 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tennesse still ranked. Shocking to me.
but we have now beat a ranked team…….West Virginia.
by tenken on Jan 5, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Ranked When They Played WVU
So it doesn’t count.
UK defeated Louisville, Indiana, and Tennessee during 2007 season. All 3 were ranked at end of season but none was ranked when UK played them.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 6, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It may not count
officially because of timing,put If WVU fares well the rest of the season it will count in the eyes of the NCAA selection board.
by -Zoso- on Jan 6, 2009 6:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
It will. The whole timing thing is an argument primarily used by detractors or people looking for negatives. When you beat a team that ends up highly ranked, people notice. It isn’t as if we defeated them with their best players injured or something.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jan 6, 2009 7:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2007
That was one of the reasons Ken Pom had UK at #14 (EOY) and NCAA awarded #8 seed to 21-11 team (at the time).
UK defeated 3 strong teams in 2007 despite being NR when the games were played
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 6, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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