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Where have all the "players" gone?

In the aftermath of the UK-UL game, I find myself wondering why it is that players today get so damned specialized?  Is it because they have it drilled into them (not necessarily by their coaches) that they do a certain thing well and someone else does something else well, and never the twain shall meet?  I just don't know.

Here's what I saw today:

-Good college players who can't, or won't, pull up and shoot a mid-range jump shot.  Instead, they drive into traffic, allowing the defense to collapse and double/triple team them, and then put up a "leaner".  Hansbrough can do that leaner, but he shoots from above his head, not waist level.  Our guys don't know how to do that.

-An outstanding outside shooting guard who can't, or won't, help bring the ball down the court.  Is there any doubt that Meeks is faster than Porter?  Can he not dribble the ball at all?  While Porter played an outstanding game today, with the exception of not looking to shoot enough, I was holding my breath as he was working one-on-one with a guy who was quicker than he was.

-A "point" guard who made two nice threes (OK, one was a heave), but repeatedly passed up open shots from right on the arc.  Wasn't Mike recruited as a shooter?  Why won't he look to shoot?

-Perry Stevenson begging with confidence for the ball, then making the three.  Then, he made a decent little jumper from the lane, almost apologetically.  Finally, when left completely open from the free throw line, he looked everywhere and finally, as a last resort, put up a hesitant shot that missed.  The kid can shoot--why isn't he encouraged to shoot more? 

-Only one good, solid screen by UK.  Naturally enough, it was by our MAN among boys, Patrick Patterson, on the left side to free Meeks for a three.  That pick should be shown about 30 times each practice.  Most other attempted picks were half-hearted affairs that resulted in exactly no advantage.  The pick and roll is still good basic basketball.  Why won't players use it?

I guess that last thought is my real problem.  Today's players are indisputably quicker, faster, and better athletes than they were several years ago, but many of them simply don't possess enough of the basic skills to provide the versatility that gives opponents fits.  As much as I love Perry Stevenson and his great effort level, that baseline drive/charge epitomizes what drives me nuts.  Where was the pull-up jumper when he got open?  Same goes for Meeks on the fake/high-step/jumpstop in traffic that he got blocked late in the game.  His first dribble got him open, with two defenders adjusting.  Why not just pull up for the jumper?

Is there a rule that "point" guards can't shoot?  That "shooting" guards can't dribble?  That good defending forwards can't shoot the J?  That nobody can set picks?  There must be, because I just don't see that kind of versatility on our team.  And it breaks my heart, 'cause while they're getting better, they COULD be GOOD.

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The Days Of 5 Players Who Could Shoot, Rebound, Pass, Defend, And Dribble

Have gone the way of Bobby Knight, John Wooden, Adolph Rupp, and Dean Smith.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 4, 2009 10:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree, Forty, except for a couple of coachs' teams,

and, as much as it hurts my fingers to type it, two exceptions are Kr . . . . .(ptui!) and Williams.

by oldcat'69 on Jan 5, 2009 11:19 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Coach K And Roy Williams Have Adapted To The Modern Day Era

K evolved from RMK disciple. And Roy evolved from Dean Smith coaching tree.

Probably the 2 best active coaches. Roy is 81% (W-L record). K is 75% overall but #1 in NCAA games.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 11:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree that they have great "genes" and have adapted somewhat,

but I still think they both have players who are (either recruited or taught to be) sound in the fundamentals. As much as I don’t like the Rat’s program, he knows how to win college games, and so does Roy Williams. They haven’t given up the basics as they have adapted.

by oldcat'69 on Jan 5, 2009 11:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you make some valid points...

The “stop and pop” is largely a lost art as is the mid-range jump shot. Several things come to mind. Today’s athletes are more athletic across the board and rely on that athleticism to overcame fundamental shortcomings. They drive the lane and use their strength to muscle shots in or create contact to get separation allowing them to hit shots that aren’t exactly fundamentally sound (ie leaners and one handed shots). The three point shot has lengthened the court and is such a weapon that players are looking for that shot rather than taking 15 footers. Some players are in the game largely because of their defensive prowess.

With that being said, I think there is alot of very good fundamental basketball being played all over the country. In isolation, you could easily find examples to the contrary but all in all I think the game is fine just more athletic.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Jan 4, 2009 11:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't agree with your point about "there is a lot", but it does exist on good, winning teams.

But, I couldn’t agree more about athleticism being substituted for fundamentals. Guys in the past couldn’t jump over the rim, so they had to get picks for open shots, I guess.

by oldcat'69 on Jan 5, 2009 11:29 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 point shot changed the game

The 15-17 foot shot now is considered one of the worst shots to take, percentage-wise.Shot clock has really affected the game as well.The game was more pure without it,better movement and shot selection.But,I hated the “4 corners” and the Digger Phelps incident during the late 70’s.

by -Zoso- on Jan 5, 2009 7:03 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good points, all.

Regarding pick and roll basketball, we haven’t seen good picks from any Gillispie-coached team at UK. Despite setting several moving screens, Earl Clark really set some great picks for Louisville that freed up shooters. Why can’t UK do this? I have no idea.

I noticed back before Gillispie came that he doesn’t play much pick and roll, and in fact, his teams set very few purposeful screens. I would really like to see that change, but at this point, I think that it’s more a coaching thing than a player thing. Patrick Patterson never does anything half way, so you expect his screens to be better than most, but I just don’t thing Gillispie emphasizes that part of the game.

Meeks does not handle the ball well at all for a two guard. It is a weakness in his game that he needs to work on. I wish he had Crawford’s ball skills. The intermediate range jump shot has been replaced by a mandate to draw contact, as someone else said. I think that’s a shame, and I’m not convinced it works that well.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 7:05 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree about the lack of picks with BCG, but it's not just UK.

I don’t see a lot of teams doing it. And I know I’m a dinosaur, but I still think it’s a good way to get a 2-1 partial isolation somewhere on the court. Ref: Malone/Stockton. And that pick Patterson set high left was a solid, “you ain’t coming over this” variety, and it got the allen wrench a good look at a 3, which he made.

by oldcat'69 on Jan 5, 2009 11:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure it's a good way.

That’s what Malone and Stockton did for years, and it worked pretty darn well for them.

Donovan is one coach who teaches the pick and roll right.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 11:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right, otherwise, Stockton might have been a financial advisor

instead of an NBA player. I agree about Billy D.. I should have mentioned him in the reply to Forty, above. Two national championships!

While I’m thinking about good passing, I thought Liggins, after a frantic start, made a few good choices in the second half. His little scoop pass off a drive down the right side of the lane was very nice. He might be growning up a little.

And what happend to Slone, the hero of the OOC patsy games? No PT. Must have read his clippings and had a bad practice.

by oldcat'69 on Jan 5, 2009 11:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stockton (Steve Kerr) Story

John lived next to my sister-in-law in Hollday UT so I met him once or twice (when Natlie played on the Utah WNBA team).

Anyway, Steve Kerr had no offers (even to VISIT) when he came out of HS in So Calif in 1984. Finally he wrangled a visit to Gonzaga that summer. He had never even heard of Gonzaga.

While on the visit, he played pick-up games with the Gonzaga players. One guard just ate him alive, and he went home to LA – discouraged and no scholarship offer. He thought he was a pretty good HS player until this guard at Gonzaga outplayed him in scrimmages.

The Gonzaga guard? John Stockton.

Steve Kerr got a late offer from Arizona and turned out OK too.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 12:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Liggins ...

… just needs more experience. He has been getting better at a lot of things, just not real fast. His understanding of the college game seems a little slow in coming, but the closer he gets, the better Kentucky will be.

If this game was any indicator, it looks like Porter can keep the spot warm for him until he finally gets it.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 12:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Partially solved

Just like you don’t see the formerly dominant Rupp 1-3-1 much anymore because teams have figured out how to beat it, you don’t see screens as much. The “pop out” where the screening man’s defender pops out in the ball handler’s path is usually effective at taking away the advantage of the screen. Also, you always have some risk for moving picks when they’re mis-played or mis-officiated, so I can see not using it as much.

That said, I think there’s a lot of opportunity for some back screens to set up baseline drives and lobs. I’d like to see more of that.

by EEWildcat on Jan 5, 2009 11:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting analogy I heard from Kellogg yesterday

“He’s an allen wrench… he’s a specialist.”

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 8:43 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I heard that too. Fitting.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 9:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

I think alot of players today are exposed to ESPN highlights which are mostly nasty dunks and 3 point bombs.Call me crazy,but I believe that alot of players today would rather make the highlight reel than win the game sometimes(not all players).

by -Zoso- on Jan 5, 2009 5:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hood?

I think Hood has some of the midrange game. We definitely have a weakness at the small forward position, where you have a lot of opportunity for that sort of play. I agree we totally need some mid-range game to open things up for everyone else. Miller or someone needs to step up.

by EEWildcat on Jan 5, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

regarding screens

i’ve been wondering this season why the Cats never set a screen in the back court as they are bringing the ball up. I would think this would help with the pressure the other team is bringing. i’ve got to believe that if patterson comes all the way to help bring the ball up, instead of passing him the ball, they should use him to screen the defender. I’d love to see PPat set one on a guy not looking and just put him on his back!

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Jan 6, 2009 10:23 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Against Louisville ...

… almost all our turnovers were in the front court.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 6, 2009 10:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i see your point

but i meant it more as a way of freeing up the man bringing up the ball, and possibly scrambling their D a little bit. And a solid screen would really set a tone.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Jan 6, 2009 2:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Solid screens

A solid screen can be a thing of beauty. I still remember Nazr coming up to halfcourt and setting one on a guy from University of Ohio. I literally thought the guy got injured on the play, but Nazr barely even budged. It was sweet!

by Acdixon on Jan 6, 2009 1:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remember ...

… Noah setting several in the back court and decking Rondo about four times one game.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 6, 2009 7:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

those are the type of screens

i want to see from this team.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Jan 6, 2009 9:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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