Kentucky @ Louisville: Post Mortem
Words fail me. But life goes on. I'm breaking out the Woodford to properly medicate my bruised and mangled pride -- neat, no rocks.
Congratulations to the Louisville Cardinals for a noble victory. Great game by Edgar Sosa, and as much as it sucks to lose on an NBA+ 3-pointer, there's not much else Kentucky could have done. It was an amazing job by the 'Cats to tie the game, but alas, great shooting undoes all else.
I really don't feel like making a long post here, because I am bitterly disappointed in this loss. Kentucky defended Louisville about as well as could be expected, particularly in the last seven or eight minutes of the second half. Patrick Patterson and Jodie Meeks were as awesome as they could be expected to be, it's just that Louisville picked this game to make perimeter shots and free throws. I warned in my pre-game comments that we probably could not beat Louisville if they shot well from three, and unfortunately, my prediction came true in dramatic fashion.
I continue to be disappointed in our ballhandling, particularly by Jodie Meeks. He had six turnovers, and that really besmirched an otherwise excellent game. But to be fair, without him, we would have been crushed by 20+. So I guess that's just one of those things he will have to work harder on. I think the biggest problem there is that Jodie just refuses to make the simple pass. He wants to make the astounding pass. Despite his obvious skill, he has a lot to learn.
I didn't expect Samuels to be much of a factor, and he wasn't. I was very surprised at the poor game by Earl Clark, but the most remarkable thing was Louisville's accuracy from the perimeter, where they went 11-20. That is way, way over their season average, and as good as they are in other phases of the game, they are darn near unbeatable when they shoot well from the perimeter. Not only that, they picked this game to make their free throws. What can you say except, "Good job."
If we forget the turnovers, Kentucky played very well considering the competition, shooting an eFG% of 53% against one of the elite defensive teams in the nation, the highest any team has shot against the Cardinals. For comparison, in their three losses, the Cards' opponents have averaged an eFG% of 48.2%. So I think we can say, despite the turnovers, that UK gave a very good effort.
Well, I suppose I have to hand out some individual kudos here, although I hope you will forgive me for a lack of enthusiasm. I am not nearly medicated enough yet, and still in considerable pain. But here goes.
- I am now a believer in Michael Porter. He was terrific. I am now gulping the Porter Kool-aid just as I said I would.
- Meeks and Patterson were awesome, and Patterson was utterly indomitable against the highest level of competition. I was surprised that the Cardinals kept fouling him on rebounds, but if they want to send a 70+% shooter to the line, I don't know why I should complain.
- Ramon Harris really struggled, and all his injury time has clearly hurt him.
- Perry Stevenson was as good as he gets. I wish he hadn't missed the front end of that one and one, but demands for perfection are foolish.
- What can I say about how we dominated the glass? Except for one weird sequence in the second half where we allowed Louisville about 4 offensive rebounds in one possession, we were awesome. We outrebounded the Cards on both ends of the floor by significant margins.
- Liggins was OK. I think Gillispie made a tactical error, with 20/20 hindsight, not having him on Sosa at the end. But honestly, I thought Gillispie was really great. He made adjustments throughout the game, and did a masterful job of orchestrating our comeback in the second half.
- Leaving Terrence Williams open from three is never a bad strategy, as he simply can't turn down that shot and never has shot it well. But he did today.
- Josh Harrellson tried, but he was out-athleted. I thought AJ Stewart did a nice job, and gave us some good minutes and two very big free throws.
- What the hell was that technical for? Inquiring minds want to know.
That's all I have for now. I'll probably be back to normal in a few hours.
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For the 4th game this year...
…Turnovers cost us a game, IMO, and that has got to change…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It will, but it will take time.
That’s just a fact.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… maybe not a fact, exactly, but an opinion I feel strongly about. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right, but we're 14 games in..??
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have improved considerably ...
… from the 28 we had earlier. Look at the bright side. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess, but...
…I had totally blocked the VMI game out of my mind… Totally… lol
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually ...
… I think that was K state.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought we hit 30
TOs against K State…
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Jan 4, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This team is going
to turn the ball over. We rebound well enough to offset 15 turnovers a game. That’s about what we will be averaging by the end of the year. Not everybody has PP hands and basketball IQ. We all need to pray for Perry Stevensons’,hands to improve. Jodie, I believe will get better. He seems to take it to the hole on a fast break very well even against 3 defenders but wants to lung into big timbers on the half court offense. Porter was excellent tonight. If we can get Porter and Stevenson at least 8 shots a game it will open it up for for the 5th man. Harris isn’t a shooter but he can score. If Meeks could kick some of his drives out and spread the shots out just a little bit we could be very good.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 4, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Hood was needed today.
Of course, against this great Louisville defense, even Pat had three turnovers today.
On the bright side, freshman Darius Miller had no turnovers in 13 minutes, and Porter had none in 33 minutes.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boxscore Numbers Very Similar
U of L hit a few more 3-pointers than UK.
That was the difference. All the other # were pretty much the same.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 4, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not rebounding. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
29 UK, 22 U of L
Slight edge there.
But U of L won by hitting their 3-pointers today.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 4, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Forty
If it’s possible to lose a game in the first half, that’s what UK did today. Slow start, turnovers, and feloniously bad three-point defense is why UK lost, in my opinion.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 4, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have always heard PGA Tour players say....
You can’t win a tournament on the first day, but you sure can lose it.
by StillCatwoman on Jan 5, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but I will say,
when we got to half time only 3 down, I had high hopes. All we had to do is make up 4 shots before the eighteenth on the final round and we had ’em.
by StillCatwoman on Jan 5, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting the idea that you love golf. I do also.
What we needed was Tiger … he can make up four shots on one hole.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 5, 2009 4:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know why BCG got T'd..?
…if you hear, please post…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Excuses
UofL had homecourt,and better players.Cats played well,and Porter getting burned on the last shot is really no shocker.
by -Zoso- on Jan 4, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Disagree with Porter being burned...
…I would rather Sosa shoot a 30 footer then a 12-15 footer… If Porter would have been up on him, he would have left him in his dust, so I’ll take that 30 footer every time…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
but Porter played off his man,thus giving up the shot.
by -Zoso- on Jan 4, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd play off a man shooting 20% from 3...
as well as a player who is faster than I am.
He played it fine. That was a bad shot by Sosa. It just went in.
by BBallSophist on Jan 4, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
Porter did the right thing. If the guy wants to take a 30 foot jump shot, go ahead and may God be with you. If he plays right up on him, he probably gets burned for a much higher percentage shot. The 30 footer isn’t going in the majority of the time, I don’t blame Porter for the loss. Mostly I blame turnovers, which Porter, ironically, did not have.
by bigbluestu on Jan 4, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I mean, Jeez, that was a 23 foot jumper he made. That’s just the kind of shot you want him to take, not a floater or pull-up in the lane. The guy has made 5 three-pointers all year including that one.
It was a great shot, but the defense was fine. I wish Porter were 6’5", but he’s not, and if he had challenged the shot he may have fouled him. I’d rather Sosa chuck a 23 footer from the top of the key than shoot 3 from 15 feet.
It just isn’t that difficult to figure.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think G is right about Porter "guarding" Sosa
I would have layed off until about 5-6 seconds then pressured, which could possible have forced him to turned the ball over or force a bad shot.
But that play didn’t lose the game.
One thing nobody is talking about is the fact that Meeks didn’t kill any clock, when he had the chance to. But, again, that’s not why UK lost.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 4, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone nail down how long that shot was?
I’ve heard 23 feet, 25 feet, 28 feet, and 30 feet.
by blbskue on Jan 5, 2009 7:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah ...
… I place it at 25 or 26 feet. I’m positive it wasn’t thirty, but it was more than 24.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
23 Foot Jumper
Pitino sold what was left of his soul for that shot.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 5, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
There’s plenty of places to point to in the game and say “We should have done this different” but that last play was not one of them. A 30 ft heave at the last second smacks of desperation and that’s what it was. If I was Pitino, I’d be pissed that Sosa didn’ try to drive and get the foul for a better chance at the win.
But that’s how the ball bounces.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Vince here
I threw my hands up anticipating OT when Sosa just stood there.
by GoLightning on Jan 4, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Porter...
played off his man expecting (like everyone else I would think) that the cards would be running a pick and roll. I don’t really think he can be blamed on this one, all in all I felt he really played a hell of a game.
Sosa really made a great shot , period.
by wldcatsfreak on Jan 4, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Just a great shot.
No taking away from Porter or anything else. Great, clutch shot.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vince you beat me too it, lol...
gobigbluecatsfan72
by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 4, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like UNC is going to lse to Boston College.....
gobigbluecatsfan72
by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 4, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fitting.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently ...
… the T was for complaining about a non-call on a Patterson basket, according to Matt May at The Cats Pause
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope it was worth it. UL went on a 12 run after his stupid complaint.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 4, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and yet...
…traitor Rick can run half way on the court bitching, and nothings called…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Technically the coaches are not supposed to leave the box unless a player is hurt ...
… but what has evolved over the years is that they are allowed to leave the box if they are instructing their team.
Gillispie was on the floor, during play, standing next to an official, while coaching, and the official genlty nudged him back onto the sideline. That happened only a few minutes after he was T’ed up.
As I have stated several times now, and why folks don’t understand this I don’t know, but G more than likely used inappropirate language directed toward an official, which resulted in his T. This isn’t new or unique, it happens often.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 4, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weak
Couldnt have been too awful bad of a complaint if no one could even point out what the techincal was for. I dont really think we can blame the 12 run on Gillispie.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 4, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UNC just went down at home...!!!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I’m stunned
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
by JLeverenz on Jan 4, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy..!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't a big Porter fan to say the least early on this year....
But he’s earning my heart more and more every game. This kid exemplifies what UK basketball is all about. Never quitting no matter what, and always gives 100%. What a shot he made there at the end of the game. Hell of a game Michael Porter. Tru give me a glass of that Porter Kool Aid. Go Big Blue, and let’s bring on the SEC!
gobigbluecatsfan72
by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 4, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Count me in too.
I was a Porter supporter, then a detractor. Now I’m leaning back in favor of him. The kid’s got balls to have gone through what he’s been through this season and still show up to play. Better sign me up for a glass of Kool Aid too Tru.
by bigbluestu on Jan 4, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can relate.
The guy really showed me a lot tonight, and I expected him to fold like a 10-high poker hand. But he didn’t.
I don’t know if he will continue to play well, but he played well tonight, and I have been saying for a while, rather loudly in fact, that if he could handle a game like this, he would win me over. Well, he did, and he did.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed about Porter
I think the bottom line is that Liggins is obviously a more talented player with a MUCH MUCH higher ceiling, but he hasn’t been playing great the past few games, and has a LONG way to go before he can be steady and reliable. He makes freshman mistakes, and that’s okay. Crawford comes to mind when thinking about a freshman that struggles, but eventually comes into his own. Liggins will get there – he’s just too talented not to.
Porter has improved his decision making and ball handling enough to be that steady player we need in there most of the time. I’d like to see Liggins get there this season, but it may not happen. Hopefully by next season Liggins and Miller both have matured.
by blbskue on Jan 5, 2009 8:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Learn and move on
It’s time to get into SEC play and it should be very exciting (on the plus side).
by hoboat33 on Jan 4, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
12-4, Maybe 14-2
23-8 good, 25-6 better.
I still 25 W or more on Selection Sunday.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 4, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you props for picking the spread as three points...
and hope your right once more predicting the 25W
Two months (!). Two weeks. Two pencils.
by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Jan 4, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason this game makes me optimistic
After watching other SEC teams, I honestly could see us going 15-1 in the SEC. It’s a long shot, but the only game that worries me is at Tennessee. I don’t have much concern about at Florida. Arkansas worries me as much as any other SEC team.
by blbskue on Jan 5, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My SEC prediction
Is a loss on the road at Arkansas (If they can get up to take down an undefeated Oklahoma… I think Pelphry will have them ready for the Cats), split with Tennessee, and a loss in some random game that I’m unable to pinpoint at this time. 13-3. SEC Champs or tie with UT.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can Porter be the 3rd scorer that we need?
gobigbluecatsfan72
by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 4, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
20 pts. in last two games, on 4 of 9 from 3, ...
… but he appears to be one of these guys who needs to have the brain focused on either scoring or orchestrating the offense, but not both at the same time. His three-point shooting was great in high school and during his freshman and sophomore years here, but has suffered this year.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A Damn Good College BB Game
Tru,
Don’t know why, but I am more encouraged than discouraged. We played them even up in the second half. Anyone who saw them against UNLV on that same court only a few days ago would NEVER believe that team could beat us with frees and threes. We will win some games this season the same way we lost this one today. We can build on this bigtime, IMO.
Both coaches did an excellent job, both teams played solid D and not one Wildcat failed to leave it all on the hardwood. The technical certainly hurt as we had some “mo” and they ran off 12 unanswered immediately following it. Pretty strange that NO ONE knew what transpired. But, that didn’t lose the game.
The birdies just barely got away with their Hack a Cat plan.
Our Cats were valiant. Our plan was solid and our execution, especially in the second half was stellar. We are going to have turnovers. But Porter manned up again. I am officially off his case. Liggins and Galloway will improve once they work things out with their coach the way Crawford did last season. As for Darius, the general rule is that freshmen will be freshmen. He will come around and probably sooner than later.
Kellogg called a fair and very intelligent game. Good riddance, Billy Pecker.
I am proud of these Wildcat warriors.
I couldn’t have asked for more than they gave out there this afternoon.
GO CATS!
by ukfastcat on Jan 4, 2009 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Porter manned up?
They ran past him, through him and around him. Yeah I give Porter an A for hustle but he is clearly a liability against top notch competition. One great shot – a blind squirrel will find a acorn every now and then.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's 4 of 9 over the last two games from three.
80% from the charity stripe for the season. That’s a lot of luck.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
that proves it … lol.. you are going to have to do better than that. Hell, I could make a more compelling (although false) argument than that.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Porter played a great game.
Not sure what you’re talking about. I saw Liggins and Miller get lost on D and give up open 3s a lot, but I didn’t see porter as a liability at all on either end of the floor.
by BBallSophist on Jan 4, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He played a great game. Against top notch comp.
Enough said.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points, all.
I just hate to lose, and I am in, “hate to lose” mode right now. I’ll be more rational later.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Totally Agree
I think everyone played so well.! I am pulling for you CATS. I know you are all going to improve. No one lost anything today. UL won it by shooting the lights out. I see so much upside for these guys. I wish I could just tell you Great job! And keep getting better because you have so many things you can accomplish this year. Keep your heads up CATS! Again, tough loss but you played with a lot of heart. I am proud of my team!
by LyricSmith on Jan 5, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A Porter believer?
You are kidding right? He proved again that against top competition he just doesn’t belong. Sure I would play him against Austin Peay, but againt UL he was way over matched, he made numerous weak passes that led to turnovers (how he didn’t get credit for 3 or 4 is beyond me) and I think he only had one assist. He was not terrifc and it is sad the UK had to play him 30 minutes.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The last of the Great Porter Haters still refuses to give up the fight!
Eight points and zero turnovers in 33 minutes of play against the press of what was statistically the best defense in the country, and still they whine.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate noone...
Porter caused numerous turnovers with weak passes unwise passes. How many times did UL fans chant “ohlay” when they ran past, through and around Porter… i know we all want the guy to succeed, but making him into some imaginary player who belongs is silly.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should take that up with the official scorers,
.. because they weren’t watching the same game you were.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hate to hear what you have to say about Jodie Meeks,
who had 6 turnovers, or DeAndre Liggins, who had 3 turnovers in 8 minutes.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meeks was a difference maker
truly fantastic today. He puts fear in defender’s eyes. I am sure Sosa eye’s lit up when he saw who was guarding him on that last play…
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Porter
is a solid player and has the heart of a lion. He is a weak passer though and I continue to get nervous whenever he comes under pressure.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 4, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, where will you see more pressure than from the top defense in the country, at their arena?
And his weak passing generated zero turnovers in 33 minutes.
Even Pat had 3. Jodie 6, Perry 4, DeAndre and Josh had 3 each.
I continue to be amazed at how the mythology persists about this guy.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not true..
watch the game again and see how many times his weak passes led to turnovers. Traps, strips… Numerous. He may not have been credited with them, but he was the cause…
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BS
Not true at all. No idea what you’re talking about.
by BBallSophist on Jan 4, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You absolutely watched
a different game than the rest of us.
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by hoopchi on Jan 4, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see it
I was a diehard believer that we had to get Liggins in and throw him to the wolves earlier in the season… but I just don’t see it now. Porter is no more of a defensive liability than any other player on the team and has become a much more reliable ball handler.
If you want to complain about Porter being in the game, then by all means… provide us the name of someone else on the roster who should be getting his minutes. I don’t see anyone on that bench I’d rather have in the game right now. If you want to say that we should have a different player… that’s fine, but pointless. We don’t have Ty Lawson. We don’t have Levance Fields. Hell, we don’t even have Jai Lucas!
Porter is what we’ve got. And I’ve come to believe that he’s the best of what we’ve got.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not kidding at all.
He earned the right through deeds. Potential be damned, Porter has earned my respect, and my support. I don’t know what game you were watching, but it wasn’t this one.
Give credit where it is due.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
However..
what a fantastic game. This game shows UK is a top 25 team and that UL is a very good basketball team. It is disappointing that UK does not have another scoring option or this team would be very good.. UK has two AllAmericans in Meeks and Patterson.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Porter was your third highest scorer today.
Hit half his threes and all his FT’s.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Porter's Threes
He hit one from “Patrick Sparks depth!”
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 4, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He also
had the same amount of assists in today;s game as i did. He had one more steal and the same # of rebounds as I did. I admire your support of the kid….
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you get your assist?
Or is that one more category in which you disagree with the official scorers?
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who was guarding Sosa?
And I don’t mean on the last play but the majority of the game,
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
by SevenRings on Jan 4, 2009 8:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Liggins only played 8 minutes
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
by SevenRings on Jan 4, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but he is the only one that I could definitely identify as “guarding” Sosa.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 4, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL kentuckygirl!
This pro-con Porter debate is becoming comical.
Yes, he had zero turnovers (very good), but also had only one assist (not good). The primary reason for both of those stats is the fact that Meeks iniated the offense for much of the game.
For anyone to deny that the kid has improved light-years over the last year is baffling to me. But that does’t mean that he’s a great player. It just means that he has gotten better; he’s gone from a serious liability to a serviceable player. I, like his coach and everyone else, expects him to continue to improve.
With all the talk of turnovers (Meeks’ 6 especially) no one has brought up the point that Stevenson’s TO with1:25 was the miscue that hurt UK’s chances the most. Why he was receiving the inbounds pass is something that I would like explained, and why he can’t catch, and hold onto a ball in those giant hands of his will forever remain a mystery.
The bottom line is that this team does not value possession. And until they do, close losses and disappointment will be the prevailing law of the Bluegrass.
But on the other hand, I saw an extremely resilient team today. A team that will not quit; a team that can take a punch. In that respect I think they mirror their coach. But they absolutely must find another reliable, consistent scorer. Meeks and Patterson cannot consistently beat good teams by themselves. At least they haven’t thus far.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 4, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My recollection was ...
… that Stevenson was throwing the inbounds pass, and Ramon Harris somehow missed that fact and let the ball get past him.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 6:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your recollection is correct.
Don’t ask me why I wrote what I wrote: Maybe the tornado of emotions swirling around in my head.
I realized my mistake after reading J. Clay’s post-gme column.
My comment about Perry’s sometimes slick hands stands, though :)
by Ken Howlett on Jan 5, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need
someone that can CONSISTENTLY be counted on to sink the three. The three point shot is crucial for so many reasons! It can close a gap in a game that may be running away. It can get a home crowd fired up or silence a rivals’ fans – both of which are HUGe momentum changers. Momentum alone NEEDS a three point shooter.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 4, 2009 8:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the Momemtum buster T?
I immediately wound the tape back on the DVR and all CBC did was make two VERY adamant gestures to the official under the basket that PPat got hammered on the put back. He wasnt out of the coaching box, and didn’t look like anything out of the ordinary, just asking for the call, then, Bang. T’d up. The assistants went crazy. Definitely rabbit ears by the ref, but clearly a massive break in the momentum the team had.
anyone hear if CBC addressed it in his presser?
by pattyscats on Jan 4, 2009 8:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought
That techincal was crap. Plain and simple. Crap.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 4, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
missing in all the disappointment...
…Meeks hit 2 huge free throws with ice in his vains to tie it at 71-71…
Meeks is a stud, and I wish he would start getting his due nationally…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 8:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Meeks is what UK basketball should be about..
playing hard, athleticism and skill.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
UK can win without Porter.. UK couldn’t make the NIT without Meeks. Apples and oranges… a superstar and an OVC caliber talent.
You defend a guy who is a liability yet criticize the best player on the team… hmmm, I wonder why?
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
would you rather have Meeks...
… and give up 6 possessions, or have the 6 possessions and not have Meeks…??
I’ll take Jodie…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meeks
I will take Meeks over Porter ANY day of the week and twice on Sundays!
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 4, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Saul Smith
over Porter. OK, with the perm.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, that's hard core.
But gave me a chuckle anyway.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saul
He played on UK teams that won NC, 3 SEC, and 3 SECT in 4 years.
I’d take those results over the next 4 years.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 4, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He also
played his butt off everygame. I am a Saul Smith fan. He is also the only player ever signed by Tubby Smith to play in the Final Four.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meaningless Stat
Mu Evans, Michael Bradley, Myron Anthony, Ryan Hogan also played their only FF under Tubby.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 4, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Says Nothing
UK narrowly lost FF chances in 1999, 2003, and 2005.
UK luckily got to FF in 1975 (Scott May injury like Bogans) and 1984 (home cookin’ in Rupp Arena).
Luck works both ways.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vince, you were the one who posted that we lost this game because of turnovers.
Well, of the 21 we had, 6 belonged to Jodie. That has to be addressed. You have to take the bad with the good.
It’s curious to me that someone who identifies turnovers as our downfall gives a pass to the player most responsible for the problem.
I agree that Jodie’s free throws, not just the last two, but the NINE he hit throughout the game were critical to our being in the game at the end. His scoring talent is refreshing and undeniable. He needs to round out the resume, however.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we did...
…but we were still in the game, in part, because of Meeks… hey, I wish Meeks would be better with the ball too, but that’s not his game… His game is to be a scorer and he does it well… We have to cut down on the “silly” turnovers, and yes, Meeks makes thoose, but I would not change his aggressiveness for nothing…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and
he turns the ball over less than Porter. Complaining about Meek’s turnovers is like complaining about ARod striking out so much.. out of place and ignorant.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We lose a one possession game...
… and it is ignorant to complain about a player giving six away. Hmmm…
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
While Meeks certainly is a great scorer, which helps the team, he also hurts the team by his lackadaisical ball-handling.
The A Rod analogy is misplaced. Baseball is totally different. A great player only gets on base 35-40% of the time, the other 60-65% they make outs. Included in those outs are strikeouts; they are simply a part of the game, and not the result of carelessness, as many of Meeks’ TO’s are. And striking out twice in a game of 27 outs doesn’t have the same negative impact as throwing the ball away 6,7, or 8 times in a game where each possession should be treated preciously.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 5, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ken, right on.
See my fanpost. Where’s the versatility? He’s a great shooter, one of the best in the country, but he really forces too many shots while others are open. I just don’t get all this forcing the shots.
by oldcat'69 on Jan 4, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
what is wrong with Porter? I can’t believe he was allowed to play 40 minutes. he stinks. he is a big reason as to why UK lost. The less the ball is in his hands the better UK’s chances are of winning.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some people have blinders on to anything but high scoring.
I’m a Jodie Meeks fan, as I ’m sure you are as well, but today, for instance, in 40 minutes he had zero assists and 6 turnovers, and we lose by one shot.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he IS the team "scorer"...
…a shooting guard, not a point (assist) man…
And he scores very well thank you… lol
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
8 + 6 + 10 +6 = 30
That’s the number of three-point shots Jodie has missed in our four losses this year.
He is a good shooter, but a streaky one, and when he’s cold, he needs to recognize it and PASS the DAMN BALL!
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you watch the game today at all..?
Meeks was driving to the hole every chance he got… He tends to do that when his shoot isn’t falling…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think he watched it..
and BCG has said numerous times that he watn Meeks shootign the ball as much as possible..
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PASS the DAMN BALL!
Ordinarily I would agree… but with 6 turnovers to his credit, I might actually want him to shoot even when covered and give Patterson a chance to rebound instead of passing it!
Tongue in cheek there. I’m not down on Meeks, but similarly I recognize that he has areas of his game he needs to improve. Especially if he wants a meaningful opportunity to play professionally.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to go to the Michael Porter school of ball handling and get those turnovers under control.
Seriously, though, the man has 46 turnovers on the year. That is second only to DeAndre Liggins’ 51 for team high.
One could argue that Jodie’s 6 turnovers cost us the game, although with a one possession loss that could be said about a lot of things.
He also missed 6 out of 9 shots from three today, but that’s actually not bad, especially when you’re hitting on 6 of 8 in other games.
If he’s going to play at the next level, he’s going to have to play smarter with the ball. I daresay that if UK is going to elevate to the next level this year, he’s going to have to play smarter with the ball, because unlike with DeAndre and Josh, BCG can’t afford to pull him from the game when he starts playing Santa Clause with the ball.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I understand..
the elite player, the difference maker, the player that scares a defense is the liabilty. Meeks cost us the game.. how observant. Brilliant analysis.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you just don't have a high basketball IQ..
Meeks averages 32.3 minutes a game and 2.9 TOs per game or 0.0898 TOs for every minute played. Porter averags 21.4 minutes per game and 2.4 TOs or 0.1121 per every minute played. Porter turns the ball over 25% more than Meeks. This is a stat that doesn’t lie, case closed…
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Turnovers killed us
but the team played through them. They shot the ball great, and in the 2nd half got the ball to Patterson and he was a beast. By the time SEC tourney time rolls around, this team will be tough to beat. Porter is playing much better, but having another ball handler on the court with him like Liggins or Galloway will open up the offense even more. I hope that happens throughout SEC play. A lot of positives can be taken from this game.
That's what she said.
by adaircam4 on Jan 4, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
However,
despite the liability that is Porter, what a great game. Fun to watch, an exciting ending, our two stars showed they are dominate players. I despise any loss, but this is one loss I think this team will use to build confidence. I can see UK winning the SEC so long as Meeks and PP stay healthy. This is the weakest the SEC has been in recent memory.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You are getting perilously close to Porter bashing.
I think you’ve said enough.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Porter
Some of you conveniently forget that he was signed as a TWO and slated to be a BACK UP two at that.
It isn’t the young man’s fault that he doesn’t have the talent of the elite PGs in the nation.
All I am saying is I agree that he is not an SEC caliber starting guard, but he is out there (and apparently doing the same every practice) giving it 100% all the time.
I dogged him hard last season and early this year.
But, #1 he is a Wildcat and #2 he is improving markedly.
I would hope by the middle of the SEC that Liggins and Galloway “get it” and Michael can be a dependable sub for them.
I do know that as one of his critics, I admit he deserves more respect.
We are rarely going to see full court pressure D like that again all season and MP stuck his nose in and competed.
That’s all I am asking of any of our improving players.
by ukfastcat on Jan 4, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is Team play you guys...
Not just Pat and Jodie. I love Porter’s maturation into someone who can lead the Team when needed. Liggins and Galloway are not there yet but they are improving. Geez I am very disappointed in MyBloodRunsBlue comments here.
by kykat51 on Jan 4, 2009 8:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Blood runs blue
kykat51,
I think his nose runs blue, too.
Some fans want to see the glass half empty.
To me, today’s effort in that hostile environment proves it is half full.
ELITE 8 OR BUST!
by ukfastcat on Jan 4, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my glass overflows..
I am very proud of UK.. today’s game was fantastic. UK played very well and UL played a great game. If Meeks and PP stay healthy I believe UK will win the SEC.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't lead..
he does play hard though.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What more can you ask?
From Porter? No TO’s and some 3 pointers and gutsy defense?
by kykat51 on Jan 4, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gutsy but ineffective..
it is just the way it is.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
We only lost by 3 today! Who would you have put in there in place of Porter to get the same results or a win?
by kykat51 on Jan 4, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't help but ask myself what the outcome would have been today...
if we had had one Jon Hood in at the three. Was there ever a game where we could have used such a scoring talent more?
Hang on, folks, the cavalry’s comin’!
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If If If
This time last year the cavalry was named “Darius Miller.”
If is a dangerous word. “If Louisville had shot a normal percent from three” “If Kentucky hadn’t turned the ball over” “If Louisville hadn’t hit their free throws” “If Gillispie hadn’t got a technical” “If we had Jon Hood” See how easy it is to fall into that trap?
Additionally, the only true “difference making” freshmen I’ve seen at UK in the last decade have been named Rondo and Patterson. I won’t hold my breath that Hood will be any different.
For now, I’ll live in the precious present and turn my attention to next year when the buzzer sounds with the other team in the lead sometime in March.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hood Is SG At UK
And Meeks will be SG next year.
I don’t see Hood at 3 for UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We play some odd line-ups sometimes
Who’s to say that he won’t slide into the spot currently occupied (albeit briefly) by Galloway and Liggins?
The future is a cloudy thing. As I said above, I’ll wait until the season’s over before I look at next year too much.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This team is going
to turn the ball over against good defenses. We have to get ovet that. We rebound well enough to offset those. We will probably average about 15 TO a game by the end of the year. Porter not having an official turnover is large. Meeks plays very hard and he is a scorer. He drives against three defenders on the fast break very well but wants to lunge in the half court offense against the big timber. If Meeks starts kicking that ball out just a few more times with Porter and Perry getting a couple more shots a game than it will open it up more for everybody. Yes I am now convinced that Porter is the sarter at the point. He seems to be feeling more comfortable on his shot. His history says he can shoot some. He protected the ball against a very good defense and that is his job. Liggins will get plenty of minutes a game to improve but he would have to improve quite considerably to start in front of Porter now. I was a BIG critic of Porter but he seems to be getting the picture much better. I personally thought Porter had hit his ceiling and I was wrong.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is
Ken. This team is going to be very deep next year.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We add Orton and Hood and Pilgrim. Villarino may or may not be the real deal at the point.
And right now neither Pat nor Jodie is projected to go in the first round, but I think Pat’s game is picking up real fast, and that slip in draft status will reverse itself.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
PP is predicted to be anywhere from a lottery pick to low 20s. His stock has been rising.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not on any of the mock drafts that I have seen.
Where can I find one that projects him as a lottery pick?
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Highest I see is 24 on Mock Draft.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not lottery, but pretty close
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_mock_drafts/8516
16 New Jersey Patrick Patterson 6-8 235 PF Kentucky
by OGETARTS on Jan 4, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is how ignorant the Porter defense is..
Meeks averages 32.3 minutes a game and 2.9 TOs per game or 0.0898 TOs for every minute played. Porter averags 21.4 minutes per game and 2.4 TOs or 0.1121 per every minute played. Porter turns the ball over 25% more than Meeks. This is a stat that doesn’t lie, case closed…
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, your math is no better than your basketball analysis.
Meeks — 46 turnovers in 492 minutes.
Porter — 33 turnovers in 332 minutes.
That’s advantage Porter.
More ominous is the fact that despite all of the talk about whether Porter can play against tougher level competition, it is Meeks who appears to get flustered against stiffer competition. Against the better teams we have played this year, Meeks had 6 turnovers against UNC, 9 against K. State, 5 against West Virginia, and 6 against Louisville.
It has worried me for some time.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like you math IQ is nto any better..
try again
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
???????
Okay, I’ll type more slowly, for you: that’s more turnovers per minute for Meeks than for Porter.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pssst..
who taught you how to divide?
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that is ok..
my typing IQ is pretty weak as well… I did make one mistake, i took the #s before toady’s game.. but even after todays stats, Meeks turns the ball over less.. which is truly outstanding considering his game, touches, the defensive pressure… truly shows what a liability Porter is.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don't want to seem to be too down on Meeks.
I brought in his TO problems only because of the comments about Porter, but in truth, I will point out that Jodie has done a real good job in the last eight games BEFORE the Louisville game in cleaning up his silly turnovers issue.
In the eight previous games he had a total of nine turnovers — equal to the number he had in the West Virginia game alone.
Then come the six against the Cards, which is an unhappy reversion to his early season woes.
The season totals do generate lower turnover ratios for Porter (although not by quite the margin some might assume).
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong..
46/492 = 0.093 TOs per minute for Meeks
33/332 = 0.099 TOs per minute for Porter
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I agree. If he is six one thousandths of a turnover per minute worse than Meeks, he should have his scholarship taken.
I actually feel much better about Jodie’s turnover issues after this little exercise. I did not realize the extent to which (until the Louisville game) he had cleaned up his act.
Very encouraging (see fuller comment below.)
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, Judy! You're right!
Season totals to date:
Meeks: 1 turnover every 10.69 minutes.
Porter: 1 turnover every 10.06 minutes.
Had the math right, the meaning of the number wrong. As set forth above, the better number is the higher number.
That really does say a lot about how far Meeks has come, Louisville game notwithstanding. I’m still concerned that the bad games tend to come against tougher competition.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't a bad game..
Meeks had an amazing game today. An allamerican type game…
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not with 6 TO's he didn't.
That’s not even debatable. Patrick Patterson had an all-American game. Meeks had a good game.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he did ...
even with the TOs.. he was amazing.. did what great scorers do.. SCORED… from the 3, driving to the basket and most importantly from the charity stripe. Not even debatable, Meeks had an amazing game.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll just have to ...
… agree to disagree about that.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And once you consider 'ball in hands/minute"
….Meeks turnover rate is significantly higher.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree fastcat
I was very encouraged by the improvement from last year to this year. I can see Liggins and Galloway improving and Miller during SEC play. Porter right now is only in the PG position because he has been put there for lack of maturation by Liggins and Galloway. I loved Porter’s 3’s today and his control of the game overall. What more can one ask from someone who is NOT a natural point? Especially against UL?
by kykat51 on Jan 4, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm disappointed in Darius' development so far.
I really had high hopes for him.
Still, 13 minutes with no turnovers against the toughest defense in the country in their house says something.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But again...
…It’d be interesting to see how many times he actually touched and/or handled the ball during that 13 minutes. I would think, very few. I don’t see where he actually wants the ball right now.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He brought the ball up against the press repeatedly.
Once it crossed half-court, he didn’t possess it much, though.
by BBallSophist on Jan 5, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have eleven
players that can get minutes on this years team and at least two that are going to get playing time next year out of the gate.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Patrick P. has
a beautiful basketball game. He is just a dream to watch. If he stays, watch out. We will be stong either way but with him here next year, we will all be in a frenzy.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There is somethign else to consider.
what if Meeks and PP jump ship? That is a scenario I would hate to see.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Patterson is definitely gone
…. but I do think Meeks will return for his senior season.
Meeks has to improve his ball handling and decision making. He also needs to work at creating his own shot.
by OGETARTS on Jan 4, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hood can shoot.
We won’t be final four though.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope they both stay.
I think we need them both to go higher.
by kykat51 on Jan 4, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would love that..
and UK would be a preseason Final Four pick for me.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 4, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We certainly do
kykat51. Meeks needs to stay another year and work on distributing the ball a little better and that will help him cut down on his turnovers. He can disapear on defense but I think that is caused from being tired. He plays very hard and that is tiring.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We will do very
well in the SEC barring injury to Patterson, Meeks, Stevenson, and Porter. BG has his rotation and this team looks ready. They lost today only because U of L got hot from 3 and the free throw line. All other stats showed victory.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
...and don't forget it was an AWAY game.
We would have won the game at Rupp, I have to think.
by Ken Pomeroy on Jan 4, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention...
…They lost their last home game, 2 of their last 3 games and they NEEDED this win…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe UofL would have less fouls called off the ball at Rupp
…there certainly wasn’t a ‘referee home court advantage’ in the game.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Was it
the turning point for our guys? That guys is the number one question and should be addressed. Now I know we have won alot of games, and easy ones at that but are we at the turning point to turn Kentucky back to promised land. Can we make a strong SEC run? Can we get a four or better seed in the tourney and make a run for the title?
by tenken on Jan 4, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We can but the
ball must be distributed just a little better. We want Meeks shooting but if he and Patrick just kick it out a little more and the guys can score and stats do say that Perry and Porter can shoot we could get dangerous. We can’t go to the tournament with just two scorers.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BG technical was probably
dirty words while he was discussing the play with the refs. The timing was actually fine considering we just scored. A free throw and that’s it and just bad timing for U of L to score 12 staight.
by Grasslands1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts on the game
Man, what a game! It sucks to lose, but I;m proud of the Cats effort and I thought they showed a lot of heart today. We still turned the ball over too much, especially early, but I was really pleased with Porter. He had 0 turnovers for the entire game. That’s a big, big improvement. I also thought Harris and Miller did a good job of bringing the ball up at times AND they didn’t make any stupid passes.
Patterson was simply unstoppable out there. I was really impressed with his effort and his play inside. He was the best player on the court. I would be shocked if returns for another season at UK. He’s just too talented and his NBA stock is on the rise.
Meeks was excellent for most of the game, but I was disappointed with his turnovers. He’s got to work hard to improve on that.
I was disappointed with Liggins. I thought he struggled when he was out there….
What did Gillispie get his technical for? Did anyone hear?
I thought Gillispie coached a great game! I was impressed with his decisions, his game plan, his adjustments and he used timeouts at the right times. It was one of the best games I’ve seen him coach at UK.
I was OK with Sosa taking that last shot. It was a long three (30-footer) and he’s a very inconsistent shooter. He’s gonna miss more then he makes. He just got lucky and hit a big time shot. Unfortunately, that happens sometimes.
GBB!!!
by OGETARTS on Jan 4, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Okay all you guys that know basketball or have played the game
oldcat"69 has a new fanpost up. Where have all the “players” gone?
Is it because of the change in basketball since the Rupp era? I really want to hear your comments on that post. I am a lady as you all know, so I cannot really give an intelligent answer to his question.
by kykat51 on Jan 4, 2009 10:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wait, you're being sarcastic, right, kykat?
I know you do not really think we ladies can’t know our basketball : )
by blue kentucky girl on Jan 4, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"I am a lady as you all know, so I cannot really give an intelligent answer to his question"
What?? I seriously hope you meant that comment as a joke.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 5, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
U of L picked up 2 commitments tonight
From Jody Demling:
Not long after the win over Kentucky, Louisville received commitments from two of the top sophomores in the country – Ryan Taylor and Michael Chandler.
Both attend Indianapolis Lawrence North and committed after the game.
by OGETARTS on Jan 4, 2009 10:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
We can’t control what they do. Only what we do. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kentucky was recruiting both players
Taylor took a visit to UK for Midnight Madness with Jon Hood, Daniel Orton, Russell Byrd and others.
Kinda surprised they pulled the trigger so early.
by OGETARTS on Jan 5, 2009 6:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing
I liked about what Pitino said was that this is the kind of game that UofL and Uof K should be. It honestly hasn’t been much a rivarly lately with one team or the other blowing each other out of the water. Yes we have the occasional good game but not like this-ya we fans know the bad blood but not the players. It was a credit to the rivalry. As bad as I was hating it…….you could see it in Sosa’s chants “this is our house”. That is the stuff of rivalries. I love it. I think UofL has lost its luster……..I think today was the primer for more to come.
by tenken on Jan 5, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UofL has lost its luster?????
How so? From what I have seen at this point the only reason that UofL was a preseason #3 was only because of ‘luster’.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone
who isn’t as lazy as me take away our threes and their threes and tell me who wins this game? I would like to know what the score is.
by tenken on Jan 4, 2009 10:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well I'm pretty lazy but...
we went 6-16, they were 11-20 (11-20, wtf??) My math is pathetic, truly, but if you just subtracted those points, that’d be…53-41, Cats, right? It’s hard to believe this game truly could have gone either way considering their numbers from “treyville”—thanks Mike Pratt.
by blue kentucky girl on Jan 4, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for that
I just kept hearing how their three point beat us. Just wanted to be sure :)
by tenken on Jan 5, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The game of basketball and players
Has changed since Rupp, Wooden, Dean Smith. .. so says 40yr over there. I cannot relate to that as I was too busy rearing kids. It’s just not the same as far as players being able to do a multitude of things. That is his question.
by kykat51 on Jan 4, 2009 10:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I’m sitting here reading everyone’s post and not really sure what to make of the anti Micheal Porter sentimate that’s being floated around. In my humble opinion when your starting point guard goes 33 minutes against what should widely be considered the toughest full court pressure we are going to see this year and has ZERO turnovers I’d say he had a pretty good game.
Just a thought but how about focusing instead on Patrick Patterson being a complete and total one man wrecking crew. That guy was simply amazing tonight and it was obvious that the cards had absolutely no answer for him.
Or if that ‘s not focus worthy, let’s talk about Perry Stevenson really showing that he is one of the best glue guys in the SEC if not the entire country…..need a big block, Perrys your guy…..how about hitting a mid range jumper (or a three) well Perrys gets ya that too….oh, and the guy can pass as well.
Then there’s Meeks, while I admit I tend to get a little frustrated with his forced shots and would like to see him both pass a bit more and cut down on the turnovers, he is nothing short of phenomenal at times. He as much as ANYONE on the team can take over a game on the offensive end. Jody is a great shooter and defenses have to be aware of him at all times.
No, instead of praising UK for playing a top 25 team even up in their house, let’s sit back and bash one kid and just lay the blame for the loss at his feet. Good idea!
Let’s face it, UK lost a heartbreaker. I for one want to puke when we lose to anyone but especially to those guys (oh, and florida, tenn, unc, duke, anyone in the SEC, pac-10, all the bigs (10, 12 and east), or a mid major.) To make my point crystal clear I freaking HATE when we lose but knocking one kid for it when they all gave maximum effort and fell one improbable shot short of sending the game into OT and having all the momentumn just doesn’t fly.
by wldcatsfreak on Jan 4, 2009 11:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice comments.
We should really just relax. I was impressed by Porter’s play, but I can appreciate that others were less so. That’s fair.
Patterson played his best overall game this year, taking competition quality into consideration. Meeks played well also, and we did ourselves a lot of good by proving that we are worthy of any competition at this point in the season.
U of L played just the tiniest bit better, and they won the game. They deserved it, they played hard and made big shots at the right time. That cannot be undone.
There is no blame for this loss. Sosa hit a big shot at the end of the game to win. It happens all the time. Based on his percentages, he was lucky to draw iron, but he made a 23 foot shot with the game on the line. Outstanding, but nobody’s fault. That’s just the kind of shot I would have wanted them to take in that situation, it just went in.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jan 4, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It will take
more then a few games to erase what Porter had done previous games. I will say that he lost several games for us. Or was an important factor in that. BUT, without his presence we would have lost today by alot and a few other games. He has really stepped up. Big Blue Nation is emotional though. He keeps this up and all will be forgiven. We have short memories for the most part! Just look at how much we fell in love with Bradley and Crawford. Never thought I would have tears in my eyes for them as they played their last game.
by tenken on Jan 5, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one player can not win or loose a game...
it takes a team to do both…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Jan 5, 2009 8:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"I will say that he lost several games for us"
Well… I suppose the obvious question should be “What do you define ‘several’ as?”
I would think 5 or more… but we haven’t lost 5 games.
So are we saying he has lost 4 games for us? I don’t think anyone (except maybe MyBloodRunsBlue) would argue that he lost yesterday’s game for us.
So are we saying he has lost 3 games for us? I really don’t think I would pin the complete and utter collapse against UNC on Porter.
So are we saying he has lost 2 games for us? Miami was a tough loss. But again… there was a lot going on there and I think Porter did just as well as anyone else in that debacle.
So are we saying that he lost 1 game for us? VMI? Really? You want to pin the track meet on Porter?
So now we’re down to no losses that I can realistically say “Porter cost us.” A far cry from “several.”
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Porter didn't lose the game for UK
UL was simply one shot better yesterday. All I am saying is that Porter is a liability against top notch competition. He has proven it time and time again. He plays hard and I am sure he is a good kid, but UK needs better starting talent than that to reach the Final Four.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 5, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But can you point to someone on this year’s team that can get the job done? I can’t.
So wish in one hand, shit in the other and see which one fills up first. (Pardon my language.)
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You really need to unburden yourself
I for one want to puke when we lose to anyone but especially to those guys (oh, and florida, tenn, unc, duke, anyone in the SEC, pac-10, all the bigs (10, 12 and east), or a mid major.)
.
Sometime’s you just need to recognize that there are good teams that play hard and are supported by good fans. It’s good for ones perspective and health.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My perspective and health are just fine....
and I’ll continue to be nauseated by losses to certain teams whenever I want thank you very much. Your concern is however very touching.
by wldcatsfreak on Jan 6, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shot clock and 3 Point Shot
I imagine have drastically changed the game Rupp, Wooden, and earlier Smith. That plus teh growth of AAU/year-round ball and the amount of money now involved in the game. There is bound to be big differences
by GoLightning on Jan 4, 2009 11:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hate losing too..
but am fully encouraged. I had nightmares last night that Louisville put together a patented Pitino game of gun and run and we lost by 24 in a game that was never a game.
Instead, we played pretty good. Hit some shots against some great defense. Did not get flustered by the press. If it had not been for some absolutely silly turnovers and a guy hitting a 25 footer that he should not have even shot, we win.
So, good effort on the road to against a dangerous team that was smarting from recent losses and arguably needed this more than us.
Xbox Live Gamertag: hoopchi
by hoopchi on Jan 4, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hoopchi
I think that we needed this win too. More so than they did. We have to just hope that Kansas State does well and West Virginia does well in the Big East. Also hope that VMI,Miami and of course the Cards do well. Most of these SEC teams will be fighting for their lives every game. Most everyone has done poorly OOC. Arkansas probably has done the best with that big Okie win. Tennessee better win against the Zags. We need Arkansas to beat Texas on Tuesday as well. Honestly I see a more talented team then in 2003 when we went undefeated in the SEC. I know I will get raked over the coals for that statement so just bring it on. Wait let me rephrase that……..I feel that we have more potential then that team. We have the inside presence in PP that we didn’t have then. Meeks is our Bogans. Then all the rest have great potential. I honestly felt that the announcers were impressed by us today. Yall I haven’t seen that IN A LONG TIME!!!
by tenken on Jan 5, 2009 12:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Meeks is our Bogans
I’ll take Meeks offense over Bogans offense every day… but I’ll take Bogans’ defense and ball handling as a trump card and take Bogans (as a senior) over Meeks (as a Junior).
There is no comparison for Patterson, but I’d take a freshman Kelenna Azuibuike, and the experienced Gerald Fitch, Chuck Hayes, Erik Daniels, Cliff Hawkins, and Marquis Estill over their rough counterparts.
Give me the 2003 team. I’m still convinced that a sprained ankle cost them a real shot at a title that year. And potentially changed the future of the NBA. What if Bogans had been healthy enough to hold Dwayne Wade to a pedestrian 18 points or so in that game? Would he have gone high enough to be drafted by Miami? Would he then have become a superstar alongside Shaq in his early career? So many things that can change because of a swollen deltoid ligament in the ankle of a 22 year old basketball player.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Wade's success has been proven and validated at this point.
It wasn’t the result of an ‘injury gift’.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but ...
… it seems likely, although academic, that an uninjured Bogans would have had some positive impact on the defense of Wade from a UK standpoint— he was a very good defender when healthy.
Whether or not that would have mattered with respect to the ultimate outcome is certainly debatable.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe... Maybe not
I agree that he has come back from his injury strong this year and deserves all the accolades he gets. But would he have been in a position to receive those accolades if Marquette doesn’t make the Final Four that year? The world may never know.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 5, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Wade was very well known to NBA scouts prior to (and certainly after) FF in 2003.
But he was 2nd team All-State as HS senior. Hard to imagine 5 better players in Illinois then.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 5, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just haven't seen
…Bogans shut down or affect Wade any during any NBA game.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jan 5, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a different game and a different Wade/Bogans.
You can’t compare the two.
But in reality, Bogans wasn’t likely to shut him down, anyway, but he could have defended him way better and likely stopped him some of the time. Who knows, it might have been enough.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jan 5, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just glad "Mybloodrunsblue" is apparently done posting tonight....
I admitted I wasn’t a Porter fan in the beginning, but I can see us riding him to an SEC championship. I can’t wait until Liggins and Galloway are ready to step in full time, but that time is not now. Michael Porter is becoming more and more comfortable with the ball in his hands, and he played a hell of a game today. How ‘bout his clutch 3’s? This team is going to finish strong, and I see us making a run in the big dance! Go Big Blue, and I agree w/hoopchi, it was good to see Kellogg giving UK some props today!
gobigbluecatsfan72
by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 5, 2009 12:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ride Porter to an SEC championship??/
You are kidding right? Please replace “Porter” with “Meeks” or “Patterson.” EKU couldnt ride Porter to an OVC champsionship.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jan 5, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am Proud of my team.
Correct me if I am wrong, but should we not be supporting our whole team? I am a Porter supporter as well as the other guys. What good does it serve to compare turn-overs stats for 2 teammates? Or to point out what you think about Porter’s ability? These guys are our team. If you are a UK fan then you are a fan of these guys. As fans, I think we only have the right to complain about effort. In this game, everyone gave their best effort. Porter played great in a very tough game with lots of ball pressure. So did Patterson, Stevenson and Meeks. Everyone played hard. Harris great to see you back! Liggins and Miller, hang in there and keep giving the effort and you will become stars someday. Harrelson, your day is coming so keep your head up! I could not be more proud. I am certain no one wanted the win more than the players. It took UL’s best game of the year and a little luck to win at home. Watch out SEC, the CATS are on the rise! Go CATS, everyone of you!
by LyricSmith on Jan 5, 2009 12:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Very well put....We need more Lyric Smith's on here....Go Big Blue!
gobigbluecatsfan72
by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Jan 5, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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