Morning Newspaper: "I don't wanna wait in vain for your love" Edition
by Glenn Logan on Jan 26, 2009 8:41 AM EST
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Some of you familiar with the 1980's group The Eurythmics or Bob Marley will recognize the Annie Lennox Bob Marley lyric in our lede this morning. Kentucky has been waiting in vain for the love of the Associated Press voters for what seems like an eternity. Today, it will almost certainly end, at least for the nonce, and a great sigh of relief will wash over the Big Blue Nation.
And now, the news.
Kentucky Basketball News
- A blast from the past: The Stomp, remembered -- this time with Chase Budinger cast in the role of Aminu Timberlake.
- UK Wildcat country looks at the Alabama game.
- Ramon Harris will not practice today and will undergo further tests. We all hope the news is good.
- I'm getting sick of hearing this meme. So the SEC is down. Nobody asks this question about North Carolina when the ACC is down. Good grief, enough is enough, already.
- A Kentucky fan in Alabama gets to see the game, and blogs about the experience, including a nice pic with Patrick Patterson. Congrats, Collin, and thanks for supporting the Big Blue down in Tide country.
- Rick Bozich blogs some Player of the Year chatter. In all honesty, Jodie Meeks is not going to win this. The press have invested way too much in Blake Griffin, Stephen Curry and Tyler Hansborough. They will not allow that investment to be for nothing.
I do think Jodie is the odds-on favorite for the SEC POY, and he may win some minor national POY honors. But the Wooden award will not go to him unless he averages 30+ a game from here on out and the 'Cats get to the final eight. It is possible, but it is a very long shot. - Straitpinkie has an interesting (
and somewhat disheartening from a fan standpoint) [Note: Senior moment. I forgot Patterson was just a sophomore! -- Ed.] piece about Patterson, who according to a report, is on pace to graduate in 3 years. - Wildcats Thunder has an Ole Miss preview.
Kentucky Football/Other News
- Kentucky football picks up a sleeper out of Memphis.
NCAA Basketball News
- Travis Ford gets his first taste of the OU/OSU rivalry. But as we all know (and as Travis points out), bitter rivalries are nothing new to him.
- The Cards defeat Syracuse. They are definitely on a roll.
- Minnesota escapes Indiana in Bloomington. The Daily Gopher has much more.
- Florida crushes Vanderbilt. Looks like payback for last year.
- Huggy-Bear's 'Eers get boxed by Pittsburgh. Looks like the Panthers have rebounded nicely from their close loss to the Cardinals.
- Michigan State holds off Ohio State.
- The Hall takes down the Hoyas.
- Rush The Court has some bracketology. He currently has UK at a 5 seed. No way it's that low if we win the SEC. Tennessee one of the last four in? I doubt that.
- More on the 2009 version of The Stomp.
NCAA Football News
- Crimson Tide players fare well in the Senior Bowl
- Get The Picture offers us a morning buffet.
- Red and Black Attack is already ranking the MAC.
- Team Speed Kills appreciates Mohamed Massaquoi. Great player, that guy.
Other News of Interest
- Students rally around indicted football coach David Stinson. I will say that Commonwealths Attorney Dave Stengal had better have an iron-clad case, or this could mark the death-knell of his career as a prosecutor. But if he's right, this could make him a star. Pete Holiday examines the issue over at Roll 'Bama Roll. Matt Hinton also has his take on the subject here. Matt used to write for SBNation.
- The coach of the team that beat another by 100-0 was fired yesterday. I don't know if that was the right thing to do, but the man appears to be to be so tone-deaf it's hard to defend him. Did his actions violate the Golden Rule and any reasonable definition of ethical behavior? You bet.
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Meeks is not a "solid first round pick"
He isn’t even a solid second round pick right now:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2009mock_draft
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/
http://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4299&Itemid=152
http://collegehoopsupdate.com/html/mock_nba_draft_2009.php
http://www.mynbadraft.com/2009-NBA-Mock-Draft
http://hoopshype.com/draft.htm
I’ll save you some time: he can’t be found on any of these lists, and the first three go through the second round. Most of these have been updated within the past week other than one which was updated last on the 16th. I’ve seen Jodie listed on one mock draft at #31, but that one didn’t factor in foreign players. No way, as of now, that Jodie is a first round pick.
The chances of Meeks leaving for the NBA after this year are very very slim. He’s undersized for an NBA SG and he doesn’t have the necessary handle or passing ability right now, either. If I can see that, certainly NBA scouts can. Unless he starts dishing out 6 assists every night and stops turning the ball over 3+ times per game, he’s staying.
Patterson is a different story, because he is a solid first round pick. I do think the chances of him staying are currently greater than him leaving. The fact that he can graduate next year bolsters that belief. I’m not sure why that article is disheartening from a fan standpoint. I found it heartening.
You know what?
I forgot Patterson was just a sophomore, I thought he was a junior for some crazy reason. Duh. That does make it good news. I definitely don’t see him here for four years.
As to Meeks, I expect he will start showing up on some lists in the late first round later this year. It’s understandable that he wouldn’t be there now, as he has more to prove, but if he keeps it up, he will begin to show up. Yes, he is a bit undersized for what passes as a two guard these days, but he is plenty big and strong enough to play the spot. His ball handling does need work, but the NBA tends to draft more on potential than reality these days, and a major D-1 scoring guard of his size and skill will be attractive if he is able to perform against better teams. That’s really what’s holding him back right now, in my opinion.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Point/Counterpoint
In my opinion, Meeks isn’t showing up in the Mock Drafts solely based on his lack of ballhandling skills and underperformances (comparably) against top 25 competition.
I’ve heard this meme about Meeks being small for an NBA SG on numerous occasions. However, I can think of a few guys shorter than Meeks who are doing just fine in league off the top of my head: Iverson, D. Wade, Ben Gordon, Devin Harris, O.J. Mayo, just to name a few.
the REAL fake Mr. Bob Dobalina
Formerly known as "senowen"
If height was the only factor, then it wouldn't be a big deal.
It’s not the only factor, though. In each of those examples, those players had skillsets beyond Jodie’s. Specifically, passing (jodie only has 1.8 assists per game this year) and better handles. All of those players are good to great passers and can handle the ball in heavy traffic. Jodie is not a very good passer and has trouble handling the ball in traffic at times (although he has improved some this year, I think).
He is, compared to the average, undersized for the position. It doesn’t mean he won’t be successful, it doesn’t mean he won’t be drafted, but it’s definitely a factor to take into account when discussing his draft status.
by BBallSophist on Jan 26, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Meeks
I agree that Meeks will probably stay for another season. He does as BBall mentioned need work on his ball handling and passing but I dont consider him undersized for the position. He isnt tall for the position but there are tons of 6-4 to 6-5 shooting guards in the NBA.
I like Pat being on track to graduate in three years. I dont expect we can keep him for four and will darn lucky to get him back next season. I think a third season in blue plus a degree and senior night honors would be a perfect ending to a UK carreer for Pat.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
UK In 2010 Season
I think Meeks and Patterson both return. If Orton is healthy, UK should have a good chance at 30+ W.
And 30 W is a magic number.
Including 1947. 1948. 1949. 1951. 1978. 1986. 1993. 1996. 1997. 1998. 2003.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 26, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Both returning
It’s good to hear that Pat only needs one more year to graduate (with his parents’ commitment to education, this makes for a good chance of him returning). But I think the bottom line is that he and Jodie will come back if they think they will be drafted higher next year.
And this is just a thought, but… What is BCG going to do if he has a roster with 5 scholarship seniors, P. Patterson, Pilgrim, Miller, Liggins, A.J. Stewart, and 3 promising freshmen coming in (not to mention Sloan and Harrellson who haven’t seen a lot of action lately, but did earlier in the season)? I’m just curious to see how BCG incorporates all of these players that should see playing time when he can go games playing mainly 7 or 8 players.
It's a good problem to have.
That is some ridiculous depth and we would have a lot of experience and talent too.
Meeks and Patterson are probably the only two guaranteed starters. It’ll be an absolute war at the other three spots.
I could see CBG redshirting possibly two guys. There just isn’t enough pt for everyone, especially at the 4/5 spots where we would have Stevenson, Patterson, Stewart, Harrellson, Pilgrim and Orton.
GBB!!!
And remember...
We still need someone to leave the team so we can have a scholarship available for all three newcomers.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Not Always
The 2002 UK team was loaded with players at each position.
More HS All-Americans than any UK team since the 1980’s.
And yet, 22-10 record. 1st round L in SECT. Only Sweet 16, L to Maryland (NCAA champ).
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 26, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ogetarts, I Totally Agree!
It seems that Final 4 teams these days are determined in large part by who keeps their players that “One more year”.
Hmm ...
… a couple of comments magically disappeared. The CyberTroll strikes again.
Sophist — sorry, don’t know what happened to your last comment..
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
That's ok. It got stuck saying that it was "posting"
Anyways, I think he can make it as a shooting guard in the NBA, I’m just not convinced that his game is well rounded enough this year to make him a first round pick. If it was just his ballhandling that was a concern, then maybe, but his passing is weak as well. Agree to disagree, I guess.
by BBallSophist on Jan 26, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
1st round
I didnt disagree with you about his draft status this season just his height for the position. I think mock drafts are absolute trash but I dont think he is even projected in the first round. IMO he has burst on to the national scene so fast after an ambiguous soph year that scouts will want to see him for another season before feeling confident enough to make a multimillion dollar decision on him.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
I don't think he tremendously undersized...
…but let’s say a “bit” undersized. There are certainly 6’4" and some smaller shooting guards in the NBA. However, I believe the average height is 6’6". Those two inches below the average will effect his draft status this year and next, is my point. I usually don’t pay much attention to mock drafts either (foreign players have thrown a big monkey wrench in the whole thing), however when most don’t list a player as a first or second round pick, I think it warrants some discussion in regards to that player. My main point (with which you aren’t disagreeing, of course) is that Jodie is not a “solid first round pick” as was stated by the author of the straightpinkie article.
by BBallSophist on Jan 26, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Kelena Az.
Meeks is comparable in size to Kelena. KAZ may have a little more bulk at this stage in his career and an extra inch of height, but they have similar games and both are great leapers. I think Meeks is a better shooter at least so far this season he is showing that.
Kelenna is 6'5"
So, yeah, pretty close. He wasn’t drafted.
In his junior year he wasn’t the scorer that Jodie is in his junior year. I think he averaged about 15 points per game. He had Hayes, Sparks, Morris, and Rondo all scoring points alongside of him. Still, I don’t think he could have scored at the clip that Jodie is this year if he had been asked to. If I was omniscient I would like to go back in time and plug Kelenna as a junior in for Meeks this year and see what happens, haha.
by BBallSophist on Jan 26, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Not omniscient...
but omnipotent. If I was omniscient I would know what would happen without having to do it.
by BBallSophist on Jan 26, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
If you were omnipotent you could just put Jodie in the NBA and not even worry about it ;-)
And while you’re at it, give UK the championship!
Well, yeah.
Everyone would be in big BIG trouble if I was omnipotent.
UK fans would love it, though.
by BBallSophist on Jan 26, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Ball Handling
I think is less of an issue in the pros than in College. The rules are a lot more liberal on what is allowed and not considered walking, or carrying the ball. I think Meeks could play the point in the NBA. He’s fast. Prediction: Meeks will be a starter in the NBA. Which I predicted on the courier-journal board before the season started.
Draft pick I really don’t know about. You may be right because so many times people are drafted on potential and not ability. There are so many other factors that I cannot keep up with them. I hope Jodie does stay but I really think he is gone after this season. Man, I would love to be wrong. About the draft. Not the starting in the NBA.
Bob Marley
Annie’s version is good too :-)
I really think we will see Meeks and P-Pat back. Not surprised if they go.
Changing how you think will change what you think.
Second on the Bob Marley!
Reggae brings it with soooulll. AbG’s morning links are here: http://anythingbutgatorade.blogspot.com
http://anythingbutgatorade.blogspot.com - yet another SEC sports blog
by Anything but Gatorade on Jan 26, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'd apreciate it ...
… if you’d put links to your own blog posts over in the Fanshots, unless they are directly relevant to the thread. Please see this FanPost I put up last week for an explanation.
No big deal, but I’d appreciate your help on this.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Ooops.
I have never heard the Bob Marley version. I like BM OK, but I’m not a huge fan of reggae, so perhaps that is why. Thanks for the correction.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Marley Version..
… is the only one I know. Of course, I got married in Jamaica so that should tell you how much I like da’ raggea mon. Yeah, Irie!
Fired coach
Gotta agree with canning the coach of the 100-0 game. Not for the score itself, mind you, but the refusal to “toe the company line” and support the apology. I understand that maybe the coach felt the need to stick up for the players, but the overall image was wrong (esp. for a “Christian” school). The school got that, and offered the apology. If the coach didn’t agree, or couldn’t see the larger picture, he needed to go.
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!
Apology
The apology was too little too late anyway. The whole situation is pathetic. I cannot believe a coach and a team would do that to someone clearly much weaker than themselves. I know coaches always preach play hard play hard but I think this situation transcends that particular directive. IMO he deserved to be fired.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
Tennessee
Right now the Vols are 12-6 and they have lost 4 of their last 7 games. They are clearly heading in the wrong direction. I think they will definitely get in the tourney, but they need to finish strong if they want to avoid the dreaded 8/9 seed.
GBB!!!
I heard Harris seems to be alright
I asked a couple of the players on campus today and they said he was doing pretty well but didnt have much details to give away.
Still not ranked..
Left out of the Coaches Poll again. They have us at 28. Waiting for the AP…
Re: OGETARTS
ND I can understand, I guess, but not G-Town. I have a feeling that the Big East will have some 10 loss teams still in the rankings come late in the year.
Hah, I write that I can understand ND being ranked, but not G-Town
and lo and behold G-Town is ranked (25) and ND isn’t (26).
That poll is a joke this year
Notre Dame is still ranked? Huh? FLA has more votes than UK? Um…..yeaaaah. The coaches are watching way too much Sportscenter.
the REAL fake Mr. Bob Dobalina
Formerly known as "senowen"
I'm no little guy hater...
But you’ll never convince me that there are only 12 teams in the entire country better than Butler. Additionally, does anyone here really think Utah State should be getting more votes than Kentucky?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
While I'm at it...
How the hell is Kansas at 15-4 only getting 13 votes?!!? They’re the defending champs and they have the same record as number 12 Texas and play in the same conference.
Kentucky being outside the poll looking in really makes me question these things… I guess this is what fans of lesser programs were always going through when we were just worried about whether we were ranked 5 or 6.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
The polls are entirely subjective and thus necessarily skewed
But in the past have had some resemblance to reality. And the top of the poll seems pretty accurate to me. But St. Mary’s? Butler? Really. I mean, really? Beating SW LA St. Tech CC 20 times in a row does not a top 25 team make.
the REAL fake Mr. Bob Dobalina
Formerly known as "senowen"
This is why the polls are bogus
The only positive to being ranked is the accompanying PR. To use the polls to actually judge the quality of a team or league is just silly, yet most analysts continue to rely on this broken crutch as the sole means of deciding whether a team/league is “good” or not.
I’m a bit partial to Butler as my parents went (and met) there. I’ve only seen them play once, but they were awfully impressive at Xavier. I haven’t seen Utah State play at all so I can’t comment on them any.
Re: chirop
Per Oscar Combs — 24 of the 31 coaches who vote in the ESPN poll are from mid-majors. There may be no correlation, but it’s interesting, and makes you go hmmmm.
I think they were 34th last week, so they rose 6 spots.
The coaches don’t watch the games anyway (unless they’re preparing for an opponent). I think most have the student managers fill out their ballots :)
NABC Paranoia
I’ve never been one to give credence to media hate but I’m starting to feel a bit paranoid considering the lack of respect for UK among coaches. Coupling NABC responses to Coach Gillispie and the overweening respect given to Minnesota — whose coach just happens to be NABC president — provides ample justification.
Maybe
I don’t think this is really a huge factor. But I agree that there may be some thought by certain members of the coaching community (and probably media as well) that it is too soon to “let” UK back in the top 25 so soon after “running off OTS.” This meme working together with the “Big East ist die Uber-conference” meme may be what is keeping UK out of the rankings.
the REAL fake Mr. Bob Dobalina
Formerly known as "senowen"
damn polls
what the hell i cant believe were not ranked in the espn poll. damn taht makes me mad… the ap polls come out at 5 right?
i mean wtf florida is higher than us in the espn poll? give me a break they have no quality wins and we are 5-0 in the sec yet somehow it makes sense that a team that is ranked 30 on ken pom is ranked higher than a team ranked 20
Power Rankings
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/powerranking?season=2009&week=11&pollId=1
I agree completely, but at least the guys @ ESPN have been giving us some respect.
I thought ESPN hated Kentucky?????
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Well, it comes and goes :)
Whenever the ESPN folks perceive UK fans to be “holler dwelling, toothless, shoeless, ingrates” they can be pretty ruthless with their condemnation.
But Van Pelt, and Vitale can kiss by you know what for the ridiculous and uninformed commentary they pointed toward UK last year.
Is that an actual quote from VP and/or Dickie V?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Would be
if they thought they could get away with it.
the REAL fake Mr. Bob Dobalina
Formerly known as "senowen"
Why don't I ever hear these same type of gripes
…from other fans from schools such as WVa, Tenn, Arkansas, etc? These schools are arguably in the backwoods and from backwoods states (as compared to the perspective from East Coast schools as an example…and before anyone freaks I will remind you I am from Kentucky, too)?
If the press shows bias against UK…and I don’t necessarily agree that it does…it is probably due to them seeing the fans as over-the-top and unrealistic….it doesn’t have to do anything with geographical or cultural bias.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Dude. I'm going to tell you a secret
that no one in KY wants to believe. I’ve lived in NJ or NY for the past 6 years and I can tell you that people in this part of the US think KY is literally a third world country. Someone actually said that to me and was not joking. This was an attorney. KY sits alone at the top of the nation’s ridicule. Not WV, TN, MS, AL or anywhere else. I once was applying for jobs and couldn’t even get an interview. I changed my resume to avoid any KY reference and got three interviews the next week. Coincidence? I think not. When people here want to make fun of the rural western part of PA, guess what they call it? Pennsyltucky. When I tell people I’m from KY I invariably get the same response; “Oh….really? But you don’t have an accent.” Like all people from KY MUST speak like the character Ernest P. Worrell.
The reason people from the states you mentioned don’t gripe about media bias is because there is no media bias against those states, at least not as much as the bias against KY by people from the Northeast. The media has been very condescending to KY fans for expecting the same level of excellence that fans of say, UNC or UCLA, have repeatedly and vociferously demanded without experiencing the same level of media invective. I can’t think of any other reason for such a difference of treatment other than a belief that KY fans are all “holler dwelling, toothless, shoeless, ingrates.”
the REAL fake Mr. Bob Dobalina
Formerly known as "senowen"
Pennsyltucky
I had friends from New Jersey in school that hated the town of Brick… they called it Bricktucky.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
You're not kidding
Thank god my wife is from New Jersey – for every Kentucky joke she makes, I have 100 Jersey jokes ready to go. :-)
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!
Everytime I think of Jersey... I think of this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JMOh-cul6M
Warning!!! NSFW: Offensive language/adult subject matter
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Dang it... the link didn't work
But if you copy and paste, it should work!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
that was awesome!
hilarious!
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Jan 26, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Law school in St. Louis - same way
First question – why no accent?
Second question – why do you want to go back there?
A lot of my classmates were imports from the north east and west.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Man up, brother.
I have lived in Chicago for the past 10 years and it just isn’t that bad. It’s just not….at least not here. Sure, every part of the country has their own poor reputation, but it’s how you handle it. I do think (present company excluded, of course) that Kentucky has a bigger chip on their shoulders than most, and I don’t know why.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Chicagoans Only Know Kentucky For These 5 Things
Basketball. Horse racing. Whiskey. Tobacco. Coal.
The state is so much more than that but those drive the reputation of KY in places like Chicago.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 26, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
The northeast is different than Chicago.
I love Chicago. I’ve visited quite a few times and I’ve never heard anything like what people above are describing when I tell people I’m from Kentucky. Same thing with St. Louis. I think most people in the mid-west are more familiar with Kentucky than those in the Northeast.
Personally I haven’t received any of those comments in New York or Philly, which are the only two northeastern cities I’ve visited. A lot of other people have told me about hearing those types of comments when they visited, though.
by BBallSophist on Jan 26, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Agree - that's why I qualified above, but I should have been more specific
Those I was in school with from St. Louis (or the rest of the Midwest or South) weren’t like that. Just those from the Northeast AND West (especially LA area).
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Re: bluespuire
It was 1986 or so — I had some friends who moved to New Hampshire … they came back here maybe a year after they moved to visit. They told me that folks up there were just full of questions about life in Kentucky, for example — They thought all of our roads were dirt roads, they didn’t think shoes were utilized very often, they didn’t think everyone had electricity … there were some more, but I can’t remember them.
That was over 20 years ago, so maybe things have changed.
by Ken Howlett on Jan 26, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
World Over KY Respect
I’ve lived in Europe, Asia, Australia, East and West Coast U.S. and currently reside in an international community outside U.S. and have never ever experienced KY disrespect.
You're The Exception To The General Rule Of Thumb
Most KY folks living elsewhere HAVE experienced it.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 27, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Just one question - everyone is noting that Florida got more votes than us in the coaches' poll, but
what about Utah State ALSO getting more votes?
And it’s still only January that both polls have a 6 loss team (Georgetown) ranked.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Polls Divergence
I don’t recall there being such divergence between Coaches’ and AP Polls. Speaks to parity perhaps but more likely is the coaches’ personal preferences and voting responsibilities.
This is completely anecdotal, but I think there is usually a difference at the bottom of each
I think there are usually 2-3 teams in the 21-25 range that are in one poll but not the other.
Just following up
I just looked at the 11 editions of the polls this season and in 4 of them there were 2 teams ranked in one poll but not the other and in 3 of them there was 1 team ranked in one poll but not the other.
from ESPN power rankings
“The Wildcats, who lead the SEC in field goal shooting and field goal shooting defense…”
I remember those that were big fans of the BCG hire (of which i was one) pointed to this same kind of stat for his last Texas A&M team. glad to see his brand of ball has continued its success here in the bluegrass.
ESPN BBall Front Page
Go to the front page… http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/
And smile…. its UK, and bracketology. They’ve got us as a 4 seed.
Hard To Be Kind
It’s quite difficult to be kind to SEC and keep a straight face. UT vs Memphis, LSU vs Xavier and both at home; Gators vs Dores, Gators vs Cocks, I watched all those and more and, folks, it’s just not good basketball. Athletes and coaching are both questionable.
Interesting
Tennessee is a rising seven seed. How is that? They lost last week to Memphis. Sometimes I just get confused by these things.
I’m still convinced that the SEC will get four teams. Kentucky, Florida, and Tenn are virtual locks at this point and I just have to believe that one of teams from the west will get their act together.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I have to think LSU or Mississippi State gets in. Probably Mississippi State.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Agreed.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Why would you say that???
The committee don’t and won’t view the SEC or Big 12 that way.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
B/C I think LSU and Mississippi State
will both have tournament worthy resumes, but I don’t see 5 SEC teams getting in. UK, Tennessee, and Florida will get in, all from the East. Therefore, I think one West team will get in, and it will end up being whoever wins the West, which will most likely be LSU and Mississippi State, absent any melt-downs.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Well...
…they may get on their records but it won’t be due to some sort of ‘balanced approach’ to having teams represented from the two divisions.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
I never said
balanced approach. I said I think one or both of them will have tournament worthy resumes, but with three East teams a lock (again, barring meltdowns), and a “down” SEC, whichever of LSU or Mississippi State wins the West will get a bid because five SEC teams will not get bids, even if LSU or MiSt are both tournament worthy. If they melt down, and, oh, Ole Miss or ’Bama wins the West, then no West team will go.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Yes they did.
Whichever wins the west will get in IMO.
The West winner won’t ‘automatically’ get in. Again, the committee doesn’t view either the Big 12 or SEC this way.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
No ...
… there was no “automatically” there. You assumed it, because you wanted to disagree with him.
Those are the facts. You didn’t ask him what he meant, you simply raised a strawman and dashed it asunder.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Sure it does take some effort to read into inference. I won't try so hard next time.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Why would you say that?
Because it’s my opinion the SEC will get four teams in. UK UF UT and whoever wins the west.
Your not an expert on how the selection committee will view things.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
Oh...oh
Do you have to be an expert to comment? If that’s the case, it would be a very shallow blog. :)
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Well, you made the statement
“the committee doesn’t view either the Big 12 or the SEC this way.” I’m not saying I agree or disagree with that statement, but how do you know that?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
You dont have to be an expert
But your point was entirley hypocritical. I stated my opinion that I think the SEC will get four teams in and one of those teams will be the winner of the west. I didnt tell you why I thought that just that it was my opinion.
You came back with “Why did you say that? Thats not how the committee views things”.
1) You dont know how the committee views things.
2) You ASSUMED that I meant that whoever wins the west will automatically get a bid. I didnt say why I thought whoever wins the west would get a bid just that they would but I didnt tell you why I thought that so instead of asking me why I held said opinion you decided to go with “thats not how the committee views things”
To be fair maybe I should have explained why I thought that but your comment that I felt was directed at me was hypocritical IMO.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
OK
…my fault. The next time I will torturously preface my remarks with:
1. I think, ….
2. I believe, ….
3. I suspect, ….
4. If I understand you correctly, ….
5. I may be wrong, but….
Gawd, this is exhausting.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
CollegeHoops.net top 50 poll
Has us ranked at 22. Shawn Siegel’s not often kind to the Cats, so that’s some solid love.
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/collegehoopsnet-top-50-ranking-week-eleven-164704
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
I should note that we moved from 39 in last week's poll
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
BREAKING - Mark Gottfried fired
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3862038
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Wow
I figured he was gone, but I thought they would at least let him finish out the season.
Didn’t Brady get fired mid-season last year?
GBB!!!
Yeah I think so, about this time actually.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Brady was fired on February 8, 2008.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Midseason
I dont get firing coaches mid season. It doesnt seem to help the situation and I think it has a negative impact on the players.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
Maybe it gives assistants
time to connect more strongly with recruits?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Assistants or the permanent replacement
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
Remarkable.
Well, maybe Alabama has decided to get serious about basketball.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Gottfried has been on borrowed time for awhile IMO....
I think this could be a pretty attractive position for alot of coaches.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Etched In "Steele"
It wasn’t the hard fought loss to Cats that clinched Gottfried’s ouster. Nope, the decision was etched in “Steele” the moment the highly respected senior announced that he was leaving the squad — and not in an entirely peaceful parting.
Now it is resigned
Pat Forde is now reporting he resigned. Resigned or fired…what difference does it make? He is gone.
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