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Kentucky 73, Auburn 64:  Postmortem

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Ugly.  Ugly as a mud fence.  Ugly as a fat man's hind parts.  Coyote ugly.  "I'll put a bag over it and take it" ugly.

First of all, a big round of applause for the Auburn Tigers.  They came into Rupp Arena tonight and fought like their namesake, and very nearly had them some Wildcat for dinner.  But in the end, the combination of Meeks, Patterson and Perry Stevenson proved too much to overcome.

I don't know what Gillispie said to the team at halftime, but I have rarely seen a better display of defensive toughness than in the second half.  Auburn had to resort to making long, challenged threes just to score at all.  The trouble was, they did just that, only not quite often enough.

So here are my observations for this game:

  • Talk about your big-time regressions.  It says here that Kentucky had 22 turnovers, but it seemed like 32.  Meeks, Porter, Harris, Stevenson and Patterson all had either four or five each for a total of 22.  That's right, the starters had 22 turnovers and the subs collectively had zero.
  • UK shot the ball pretty well, when they actually retained possession long enough to shoot it.  Auburn took 27 more shots than UK did.  Is it any surprise they gave us such a hard time?
  • Get this -- UK shot 53%, Auburn 39%, and the game was in doubt until the last 3 minutes.
  • Michael Porter seemed like he turned the ball over 100 times, yet he only got credit for 4.  He did have six assists, which helped.
  • Patrick Patterson is still having trouble with that finger, but 18 rebounds?  Great Zot!  21 points were just icing on the cake.
  • Perry Stevenson had a great all-around game.  Double-double, opportunistic scoring, timely defense.
  • I said the bench had no turnovers, but they also had no minutes.  Only DeAndre Liggins reached double figures with 12.  The next nearest to him had 5 (Miller).  I chalk this up to the Gillispie Effect.
  • 31 points for Jodie Meeks.  He just piles them up like magic -- you look up and wonder when he scored that many.  Quite possibly the most efficient scoring guard I have ever seen at any level.
  • Ramon Harris is a singularity shaped like a man.  When you put him on somebody, they disappear forever.

I don't care how ugly this win was, they can't all be 54-point record-setters or 20+ point blowouts.  These Tigers were tough and determined.  They are also, collectively, the worst free-throw shooting team I have ever heard of ... ever.  They need a hypnotist or something.

But I'm glad they didn't have one tonight, and I am very happy with the victory however artless it was.

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Not every game is going to be a thing of beauty...

All teams go through games like this. I am just glad that UK is good enough to overcome countless turnovers and win a game against a team that played its guts out. Come March all that will matter is that this is a win and most won’t care how they looked. UK showed toughness and grit by coming out in the 2nd half and putting the hammer down.

UK ix alone atop the SEC and hopefully they never leave that perch.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Jan 21, 2009 11:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Amen.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 21, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

question and/or opinions...

Is it possible that Meeks and Patterson both make AA this year…?

If not, which one…?

I think Meeks is a lock at this point… JMHO

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Jan 21, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Definitely possible.

In fact, likely. Doubt they’ll both be first team, but I expect both to make the cut.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 21, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont see anyway they can leave Jodie off....

as long as he keeps averaging 25 points….it would be a crime

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Jan 21, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Meeks is 1st team...!

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Jan 21, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Jan 21, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AA Team

Blake Griffin, Tyler Hansborough, Stephon Curry are all locks. That leaves room for two others from across the country.

If Jodie keeps hammering away like he is and Kentucky looks good down the stretch and wins a couple in the big tourney, I think he can grab one of those two spots.

I would look for Patterson to be a 2nd or 3rd teamer.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jan 22, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought UK played exceptionally well, except for the TO's

UK shot 61% in the 2nd half against a team allowing only 38% since the Xavier game (per Tom Leach).

UK killed them on the boards, played suffocating defense (for most of the game), and ran the transition very well.

I’ll give Porter a pass considering he’s been playing so well, but he looked lost tonight. It looks like G is going to #23 to bring the ball up the floor in the last five minutes.

Overall, I was pleased.

Meeks is a freak!

by Ken Howlett on Jan 21, 2009 11:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Meeks

should never bring the ball down the court. (IMO) He is just too fast. The offense cant keep up with him. He gets to the other end of the court and has to stand there and dribble to give the others time to catch up with him. He also slowed down once last night and went with the overall pace of the offense, but that didnt look natural to his game. He looked awkward.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 22, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes there is no choice.

I’m not sure what you mean when you say “the offense can’t keep up with him.” If that were true the onus is on the other guys to speed up, not for Meeks to either slow down or not bring the ball up the court.

He’s acted as the lead guard numerous times this year, and I certainly don’t notice a slowing down of the offense.

He’s a 90% free throw shooter and able ball-handler, hence him bringing the ball up the court in the final few minutes. I can’t think of a good reason to change.

by Ken Howlett on Jan 22, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meeks.........

Goes beside Tony Delk on my shooting guard altar.

by slidemank on Jan 21, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lets

hope that he doesn’t get injured

by tenken on Jan 21, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am

proud of my Cats. Going to try to get tickets for next weeks Ole Miss game. I went two years ago and it was neat. Got to meet some of the players.

by tenken on Jan 21, 2009 11:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was at that game too!

That was a fun long weekend. Oxford is a very charming town to visit.

by blue kentucky girl on Jan 22, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

26 additional points from the free throw line. 81%! What a wonderful offensive threat!

This team causes teams to wince everytime they foul us. What great job on the glass as well.

by Blueobsessed on Jan 21, 2009 11:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I forgot to add that they hit the glass with authority tonight ...

… as they should have considering AU plays basically four guards and Barber. But even taking that into consideration, UK’s rebounding was impressive.

Two double-doubles also: Patterson and Stevenson.

by Ken Howlett on Jan 22, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stevenson

was a play maker. He made some absolutely crucial plays last night. He really stepped up in a BIG way.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 22, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gillispie -- "I don't care about turnovers if we win."

He cntinued — “It’s almost a perfect situation.”

He uses their TO’s to teach. He says they seem to listen more after a win, as opposed to after a loss.

Whatever.

As long as they win, I don’t care how backwards he, and they seem to be :)

by Ken Howlett on Jan 22, 2009 12:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

well,

maybe you are the backwards one, and “he” and “they” are exactly as they should be? Ok, probably not. ; )

But seriously, I, like you, couldn’t really care any less about what bullshit story BCG tells the media (us) as long as his team (our team) is giving us the winning results we so desperately want.

Someone else here at one time or another probably said this exact thing, but, I’m fairly certain that the team and potential recruits are always at the forefront of Coach’s mind when he is doing his post-game or other media appearances and other than to talk about "how great we are as fans" and "the fans are what makes Kentucky a great place to be" (I’m sure we have all heard that a time or two), what you and I think probably doesn’t enter into the thinking process of Coach Gillispie one bit when he is talking to the media and that probably isn’t going to change any time soon. I really don’t think Coach Gillispie is going to wake up one day and decide to be super open and honest with the media. I actually get a little chuckle out of the bullshit answers he gives. Call me crazy. : )

by BigSkyCat on Jan 22, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We may

have to get used the idea that the Cats play better on the road…not a bad thing at all as long as you still squeak out the home wins.

by String Music on Jan 22, 2009 12:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fans

Do you think this says anything about the fans?

by LyricSmith on Jan 22, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarilly

A lot of teams play better on the road. It has nothing to do with the fans per say. There are less distractions on the road, the team is always together bonding as opposed to arriving seperately, and they dont have friends and family yammering at them for tickets. The road has a lot of advantages.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jan 22, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Never really Thought of That

Thanks, You gave me somethings to think about.

by LyricSmith on Jan 23, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

CBS Sportsline projects....

UK as a 4 seed with a potential 2nd round matchup with WKU.

Slower Traffic Keep Right!

by SevenRings on Jan 22, 2009 12:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Auburn Wanted Ugly

Auburn’s only hope to win this game was playing ugly. They played according to the Pitino Defensive Philosophy. “Foul 10 times and get called for 5”

Offensively, Auburn could have been called for a moving pick practically every possesion.

Porter looked like he is a bit under the weather.
I’m just glad we can shoot free throws! -— W 4-0 —-Who’s got next?

by LyricSmith on Jan 22, 2009 1:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Harris...

may be a great defender, but I swear, if I have to sit through another year of Miller playing behind him I’ll puke. Miller looked good tonight, I was ready to watch him break out only to see Harris fumble the ball away time and time again. Again, his defense is great, but Miller has so much more potential and he has got to be at least splitting minutes with Harris. No clue as to why he didn’t see the floor after the half, I sure thought he played well in the first.

by the spork on Jan 22, 2009 1:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can't speak for Coach G But..

I would guess that offensively Miller wasn’t being agressive enough and he must have missed a couple of defensive assignments. Also, when things get tight, I think most caoches will go with the one who has done it before.

I certainly agree with the principle of seeing MIller (and Liggin and Galloway and,,,,) begin to take some of the offensive load and some of the minutes. I so believe the whole bench is capable. I’m just waiting for them to believe.

But chin up my fellow Wildcat fan, I predict valuable minuted ahead for MIller. Soon. I know he is on the edge of breaking out..

by LyricSmith on Jan 22, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree...

about the aggresiveness. Miller seemed to be very aggresive in the few minutes he played tonight. Only gripe that I had of him was the passed up three that eventually turned into a Meeks three.

by the spork on Jan 22, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Miller's knock

coming out of high shcool was that he was too unselfish, if there was such a thing..there have been times this year where he has beaten his man off the dribble and had a clear look at the basket and made a pass that didn’t need to be made. He has looked much more confident, and I think he is on the verge of breaking out.

That's what she said.

by adaircam4 on Jan 22, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Miller

looked scared to death on a drive to the basket. He did fine and scored, but the look on his face did not exude confidence. Miller is a good player and he will only get better as he grows more comfortable and confident playing in front of 24,000 very active and demanding fans. I would say Gillispie notices this and this may be a reason that Miller is not getting the minutes that we all would like him to have. It will come. I look forward to Miller coming out of his shell.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 22, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Put

That look was one of the things I was talking about when I mentioned not being agressive enough. High Def, I could see the wringles in his forehead and the deer-in-the headlights eyes.

Judging by what I read in this thread, I think we all are anxious to watch Miller become the player we know he can be. Dave and Scott in the Morning is back on air and they discussed this very issue of Miller’s playing time.

by LyricSmith on Jan 22, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

G said after the game ...

… that the reason the bench didn’t play more is because every time one of them went into the game “Auburn scored.”

He saw a lack of defensive execution, I suppose.

by Ken Howlett on Jan 22, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

W But

22 TO won’t bring many W for UK.

Out shot, out rebounded, out assisted Auburn but TO are the Great Equalizer.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 22, 2009 6:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agree, especially if we get a night when the refs don't see it our way and we are not permitted to go to the foul line.

All the blocks, steals, rebounds, great shooting percentage and fantasic defense won’t overcome 22 turnovers against teams like AL, TN, FL, MN, OSU and Xavier that we will meet in the tournament and have to defeat in order to advance. If we don’t fix this, we will go home early from the big dance with a great record but a dissapointing performance. I hate to say it but this has to start with Meeks.

by Blueobsessed on Jan 22, 2009 7:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah ...

… when you get 27 more shots at the basket, even 39% can be enough.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 22, 2009 7:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Turn Overs Not the Complete Story

There were 12 more turnover for UK than Auburn. Therefore, a large part of the shot differential was the fouls. 26 more free throws attempts equals around 13 more trips to the line. (There were very few 3 point plays in this game.) I agree the turn-overs aren’t good but I am not too down about it. I have faith that will improve.

by LyricSmith on Jan 22, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed! My point about our terrific FT % being "the third option" has been made.

But it depends on how the opponent"makes us pay for those turnovers. If they are converted to points almost everytime (3’s or 2’s) we are in trouble. If they are missed opportunities, we can survive. Good to excellent teams will make us pay. To be a great team, we have to clean this up.

by Blueobsessed on Jan 23, 2009 4:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are both ...

… quite welcome.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 22, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Porter

While I have posted in the past how I wish Michael Porter would launch more open looks I do so because I believe he is capable of hitting them. I question those fans who certainly cannot inspire confidence when they second guess his every move. I wonder if playing in front of his own fans makes it tougher on him. So far, Porter appears to be the only person capable of handling the ball any length of time without turning it over and yet I read that his own fans booed him. I certainly hope this was not the case because one might as well be sitting in Rupp Arena in a Duke shirt as to boo your starting point guard. Actually, a duke shirt might motivate come to think of it.

Was anyone at the game? Were there really boos?

by LyricSmith on Jan 22, 2009 8:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agree on Porter

He can make those shots. I remember when Porter first started at UK he used to shoot and hit the three. I dont understand. He can make those shots. I would feel totally ok with Porter taking those shots. I dont get it either.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 22, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Angst, not boos...

Too many fans GROANING about players passing up open shots. Some of that angst is appropriate, regardless of what Billy thinks, because Auburn was sagging in the post and daring everyone except 23 and 54 to shoot. But, most of those possessions with the passed up shot turned into possessions with a BETTER shot than the one passed up, so the fans need not GROAN each time a passed up shot happens.

by per4mance on Jan 22, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The boos

The largest set of boos came in the second half, when Liggins got yanked shortly after being reinserted. Liggins got screwed up on the switch on three straight plays, going BEHIND the pick and leading DIRECTLY to three made baskets, forcing Gillispie to go with Porter. The boos came because of Porter’s turnovers.

by per4mance on Jan 22, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boos

There were boos at one point in the second half as per4mance pointed out. Porter turned the ball over badly and was yanked for Liggins. Less than a minute later, after some defensive miscues… Liggins was yanked and Porter was back in. Fans boo’d when Liggins left the floor.

It also gets quite loud in Rupp when Porter has an open look at the basket and passes it up, but I wouldn’t call them boos.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jan 22, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It gets quite loud in my house, too

when Porter has an open look at teh basket and passes it up ;)

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 22, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Screamed

I screamed at him and also at Miller when they passed up those shots last night. It was from the privacy of my home though.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jan 22, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet

Gillispie’s post-game comments said that fans want Porter to shoot, and Gillispie does too because he thinks he can hit the shot… but he doesn’t want to shot coming if its not at the right time. Basically, he said it needed to be in the flow of the offense and that if the player had to think about it then it was right to pass the ball.

Well, from where I sit (generally on my couch watching it on my fancy schmancy new TV… but in Rupp last night) everyone but Meeks and Patterson were thinking about it before they shot. They don’t have the confidence to take that shot. Its the same problem we had last year with Jasper.

If we don’t develop some confidence from other players, I forsee another embarassing exit from the NCAA tourney where our two top guys bring it and score 60 points, but we lose because the team only scores 70.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jan 22, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thursday Breakfast Links: That's not Patrick!

[…Tru always brings it with the Post-Mortem…] http://anythingbutgatorade.blogspot.com

http://anythingbutgatorade.blogspot.com - yet another SEC sports blog

by Anything but Gatorade on Jan 22, 2009 9:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the link.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jan 22, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Porter

Along with half the team needs to stop passsing up open looks. This happened several times last night and someone else was forced to take a tougher shot than the open one that was passed up. On that note despite the turnovers last night Porter has been playing much better recently and the team runs smoother when he is in. I wasnt at the game but it’s a disgrace if people are booing him for going in when the coach tells him to.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jan 22, 2009 9:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The booing

made me sick last night as well. Yes, I was ready to start punching thin air after any of his inexplicable turnovers last night, but he has been playing solid of late. When Porter is in, the team seems to be more productive (when he isn’t turning the ball over, of course). It almost seems like a natural function/reaction to boo Porter for some fans, all based on his play earlier this season. Its rediculous to do that to a KID, especially when he is playing for the team YOU ARE cheering for.

by DeadHeadCat on Jan 22, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dunks

Can’t believe no one has mentioned the stat they showed. What was it, like 89-13 or something ridiculous like that? If that doesn’t speak to both offensive and defensive efficiency, then I don’t know what does.

Also, I love the way he plays, but what is up with Perry and walking? I am guessing it has something to do with his comfort level. We have seen him handle the ball much better in the past. Maybe it was the fact he had quick guards on him most of the time.

by small balls on Jan 22, 2009 9:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Saw that....

pretty amazing really.

by DeadHeadCat on Jan 22, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great stat. Stevenson probably has most of those dunks

It seems like he gets at least 3 per game.

GBB!!!

by OGETARTS on Jan 22, 2009 9:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Team Shooting (or lack there of)

Others on the team are going to HAVE to start taking some shots. Opponents are going to go with the gameplan of just putting all their defensive efforts on Patterson and Meeks and making the rest of the team put up some shots. I dont believe that there necessarily needs to be “a third scorer” however because it needs to be a collective effort of the rest of the team to put together some comined points. You can pretty much count on Patterson and Meeks giving you a big number, but come on guys, help them out!

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 22, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

We have a lot of players that aren’t aggressive on offense and they don’t look to score even when the opportunity presents itself — I’m talking about Porter, Harris and Miller.

CBG always says that if a guy is open, he wants them to shoot it. Hopefully, they can start contributing more on the offensive end and soon. We’re going to need them, especially as we get into Feb and March.

GBB!!!

by OGETARTS on Jan 22, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3rd Scorer

Stevenson had 12 and Harris 6 last night. That’s 18 points combined to go along with 30 some for Jodie and 20 some for Patrick. That’s plenty for a “3rd Scorer.”

Our problem is our bench production. Remember the days when our bench used to outscore the opposing team? This bench doesn’t get the opportunity. Miller had 3 points in the first half and that was it. We didn’t even see a sub at all until 10 minutes into the game.

In his post game commentary, Gillispie said “I want to play more guys, but I want to win too.” I think he’d be more likely to win more games late in the year if he could develop his bench and trust them in game situations early in the year. But hey… he gets paid millions and I was lucky to grab a ticket in section 19.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jan 22, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bench

The “bench” will have to develop confidence in their game if they will see the floor. Darius Miller, for example, with his “deer in the headlights” looking drive last night probably doesnt make Gillispie very comfortable putting and leaving them in the game. Some may argue that the bench can not develop confidence in their game if they never get to be in the game, but so it goes in life as well – cant get the job without experience, but couldnt get the experience because of being in the classroom preparing to get the job. We all know how BCG feels about practice and that good play in practice gets minutes in the game, but I really think this confidence thing – or lack there of – is an issue as well for this team.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 22, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a win

I’m not complaining. Rebounding and free throws made up for the turnovers. I figured we would have more turnovers because of Auburn’s defense and athletic ability, but then we “regressed” as Tru put it, and had so many stupid unforced turnovers. I don’t know what the exact stats were on it, but I bet 50% of the turnovers we had were unforced. We’re just lucky Auburn wasn’t more of an offensive threat.

by slidemank on Jan 22, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Redundancy Risk

At the risk of being tiresome I would state that a number of the problems faced with some regularity by the Wildcats, i.e. turnovers and passed up scoring opportunities are caused by the same endemic weaknesses: lack of athletic talent — that of the kind required by elite programs — by Porter, Harris and, to some extent, Stevenson, as members of the starting lineup. Add to that the inexperience of Liggins, Miller and Galloway off the bench and you have a core inadequacy that will limit UK’s competitiveness at the highest level. Accepting that reality I watch each game with appreciation of effort, mental toughness and coaching, and hope for the best.

by Wild Weasel on Jan 22, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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