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Billy and Rich: Part 1

Billy Gillispie was three years old when Rich Brooks got his first coaching job.  Rich Brooks has been a head coach at the Division 1A level for 23 seasons, along with two years as a head coach in the NFL.  Billy Gillispie has been a head coach at the Division I level for six seasons.  But if Rich Brooks wants any lessons in how to rally a team, even when that team is hemorrhaging players, all he has to do is stroll across campus to the Craft Center, and walk through Gillispie's door.

Knowing Billy as I do ( wink, wink ) my bet is that he would be more than happy to answer any questions Brooks has on dealing with adversity, leaving the past behind, and looking forward.  Billy, you see, lived through a season in which nothing, and I mean nothing went UK's way for the longest time; players were transferring, rebelling, getting injured, and being a general pain in the behind ... in other words, right now Billy is telling Rich, "I feel ya brother, I feel ya." 

Leadership

With the loss of three major contributors to UK's football team in a matter of seventy-two hours, it is imperative that the remaining team members rally around one another, not blame, question, and bemoan.  Leadership must be displayed, especially by Mike Hartline, and if some reading this aren't schooled on the leadership ladder in college football, just read Dicky Lyon's words:

"I'm going to be somewhat a leader but the leader of a football team is the quarterback, and everyone knows that.  I'm going to lead by following Hartline, or whoever the starting quarterback is.  Just make sure that everybody knows that he is the guy even though he is young.  He is the guy that we have to follow and make sure that everybody knows that we need to look to him to get us out of trouble."

Fair or not, the role of team leader just fell squarely in the lap of Mike Hartline.  Hartline has to find it within himself to impose his authority as the leader of the team, even though he has never started a single college game.  The sophomore will be tested by his teammates, frequently tested when times are bad.  What Hartline has to remember is that confidence is the foundation for solid leadership.  The quarterback didn't waste time in dispelling any myths that may be circulating among his teammates about his level of confidence:

"I've got a lot of confidence.  I've always had a lot of confidence."

The question UK fans are asking themselves right now is, "OK, but is your confidence justified?"  In the huddle, in a tight game, fourth quarter, Papa John's is rockin'; are Hartline's eyes saucers, or are they ablaze with focus?  His teammates will know, and the won-loss column will reflect the answer.

Billy and Rich: Part 2

As Rich eases into Billy's Corinthian leather chair, his mind is muddled with meandering players, and developing depth issues.  He knows Billy has the answers, but will he be able to effectively convey Gillispie's words of wisdom to his suddenly short-handed troops.  "Don't worry hoss," says Billy, "your will to win will win out in the end."  After-all, nothing has really changed; seven wins is still the goal, beating UL is still the goal, runnin' it down The Visor's throat is still the goal, beating 'Bama is still the goal, sending Petrino back to Arkansas a loser is still the goal, avenging last years loss to Mississippi St. is still the goal, freakin' finally beating Fat Phil and his orange-clad hooligans is still the goal.

"You've lost some depth, Rich, that's all, last year I went without two of my top five players, every game, you can beat this, your talent level is still high," Billy opines between sips of Dr. Pepper, and bites of peanut butter crackers.  He's right, you know.  Zipp Duncan and Michael Williams need to train more vigorously, practice more focused, and perform at an elite level in an effort to replace Christian Johnson.  David Jones and Shomari Moore need to train more vigorously, practice more focused, and perform at an elite level in an effort to replace Paul Warford. 

Depth

Depth is a funny thing.  When a team has it, they usually excel in the fourth quarter.  When they don't, the fourth quarter usually belongs to the opponent.  If any fan base in the world knows the perils of lack of depth, it is UK fans.  How many games over the last thirty years or so has UK lost in the fourth quarter?  Countless.  And why, because the good guys are considerably more tired than the bad guys.  But, there is a way to circumvent that particular problem, and that is by outworking ones opponents. 

Kentucky's players have to believe that the talent still calls Commonwealth Stadium home.  Mike Hartline and Rich Brooks have to instill in the players an attitude that the ship can't be sunk because of a few busted rivets.  The price the team has to pay for the unfortunate choices of some is to work harder, train harder, and play harder to overcome the losses in personnel.  Five years ago if a similar set of circumstances had arisen, then I would have said that UK would be in serious trouble, but not now.  Rich Brooks and Joker Phillips have consistently said that one of the biggest reasons for UK's recent success is due to an increased level of depth, well those assertions are about to be put to the test.  My wager will be placed squarely on their words proving to be prophetic. 

Billy and Rich: The Season Finale 

As Billy chews his last cracker, he tells Rich to "demand their best effort, because that's what they deserve.  Refuse their impulse to sulk and blame, fill them with a desire to win, in spite of the ghosts."

As Rich rises to leave and Billy knocks back that last taste of Pepper, he says "let me leave you with one thing I know; there are no excuses to be had, only victories to be won."

Coach Brooks must have taken Billy's words to heart:

"We have to line up on the field and put the pieces together.  I still feel we are going to be a very good football team."

Thanks Coach, that's what we want to hear.

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats! 

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A very well written piece but I think we are a little overreactive to the recent losses we have had. We have lost a little depth yes but I dont think its anything to be worried about so long as we dont sustain a bunch of crazy injuires to these same positions. In the cases of Christian Johnson and Paul Warford we have good depth behind them to replace them and its not as if they were outstanding players to begin with. They were both good players who CAN and will be replaced. I do have to say Im quite disapointed with both of them. They have really let their teamates down by not getting it done in the classroom and now are leaving their team hanging on the field because of it.

In the Pulley situation I dont think it affects the team at all unless Hartline sustains an injury. I believe Hartline would have won the QB battle in the first place leaving Pulley on the sidelines. Of course if we do sustain an injury then our depth is much more shallow.

In regards to Dicky Lions I think he shows real leadership in his statements about following Hartline. Hartline will develop as a leader much more quickly knowing he has the respect of veteran players that are looking to him to lead them. It may place a lot of pressure on him but he will have to lead from day one by doing rather than by following the older players which will hasten his development as a leader.

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by davw83 on Aug 6, 2008 9:21 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pulley et al

I tend to think that Pulley is the more athletically gifted of the quarterbacks, but if Hartline had won the job, I don’t see how Pulley could have been left on the sidelines. He is simply to good. I think there is a strong possibility that we were headed in the direction of playing two quarterbacks, but of course we will never know.

Hopefully injuries which effect depth won’t become a problem, but going into a football season that’s “whistling in the wind”. There will be injuries, and if the injuries are at the “wrong” positions, then a definite negative impact could be felt.

As I wrote above, lack of depth has been a huge problem over the years, but hopefully the program is deep enough to withstand the hit.

This piece is primarily about there being no excuses. It’s in the players and coaches hands to ensure that a beat isn’t missed.

by Ken Howlett on Aug 6, 2008 9:43 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pulley

I agree about Pulley’s athleticism but I think his attitude would have kept him off of the field if in fact he lost the starting QB job. He could make the NFL as a wide receiver but I think he would have balked at moving to another position to get on the field. Just my opinion though. I dont like the whole two QB thing and am very glad that wont be happening now if in fact it were to occur if they had both stayed. I think the two QB look undermines the QB as a leader and offers more disadvantages than advantages.

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by davw83 on Aug 6, 2008 10:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interestingly enough,

Pulley is considering EKU & switching to Saftey to get on the field immediately. Guess switching isn’t such a big deal to him after all in light of not playing.

by lacrosse_cat on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not so fast

Switching isnt important to him now that he’s been thrown off the team and EKU has a senior QB that was all-ovc last year. Im not so sure that had he stayed he wouldnt have been so keen on switching . If I were Pulley and had a chance to make the NFL at Safety or wide receiver and I played on a team that was also painfully thin at wide receiver I would be a wide receiver in a heart beat.

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by davw83 on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like the....

Dr. Pepper and cheese cracker part.

by khlim2 on Aug 6, 2008 9:48 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe

that BCG prefers peanut butter crakcers ;)

by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 6, 2008 11:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peanut Butter and Crackers

Yeah more protein…lol.

That is all I had for lunch on the golf course for years…just a light lunch…put a lot of power in those last 9 holes LOL!

by kykat51 on Aug 6, 2008 4:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funny

I eat peanut butter crackers on the golf course whenever I get a chance to play ( which isn’t often ).

by Ken Howlett on Aug 6, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was serious about the peanut butter and crackers and golf...

I saw so many of my foursome going for for the chili hotdogs and sandwiches and chips…damn such a heavy lunch …only makes one a laggard and sleepy…lol.

I always came out ahead lol!

And they never could figure why. Ha ha.

by kykat51 on Aug 6, 2008 5:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Taking A Chance

Nice hook for your story line but you’re taking a gamble that all fans have the same feelings re: Gillispie, especially portraying him as an “advisor/mentor/sage” to Brooks. Can’t speak to readers on ASOB but on other sites you would get a considerable pushback, to the point of: Are you jesting? Gillispie can’t carry Brooks’ clipboard!

by Wild Weasel on Aug 6, 2008 11:50 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brooks' Clipboard

I have a lot of respect for what Coach Brooks has done at UK so far… but in my mind, we could have Pete Carroll as the head football coach at UK and a first year intern out of Murray State as head basketball coach and Carroll would still have to bow down to the head basketball guy.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 6, 2008 2:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Wild Weasel

Under normal circumstances I wouldn’t use Gillispie as a “mentor” to Brooks, but in the first paragraph I explain why Gillispie could be of help to Brooks in this particluar situation.

by Ken Howlett on Aug 6, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TRU

I was just persuing the football schedule down on the lower right hand and noticed all of the game times with the exception of UofL are 7:05 starts. Are all these start times currently correct and where did you find them? I have been looking for the start times for a while so i can organize my work schedule as I have to work every other saturday and have season football tickets this season. I am aware they are subject to change but are they all really slated for 7pm starts right now?

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by davw83 on Aug 6, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Evening starts

I read an interesting factoid on the loading screen of my NCAA ‘09 Football game… it said that Kentucky routinely schedules all the October home games in the evening so fans can go to Keeneland during the day and football at night. I never put 2 and 2 together.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 6, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Smart

Thats pretty smart of UK to do. I know tons of people who do both in the fall.

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by davw83 on Aug 6, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Video games

Who says video games aren’t educational?

by Acdixon on Aug 6, 2008 6:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Schedule

At UKathletics.com all games are listed as “TBA” except UL.

Chirop is right about Keeneland, though.

by Ken Howlett on Aug 6, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a widget ...

... created by our stats provider, not me. I’m sure it will update when we get closer to the season.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 6, 2008 6:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey Ken...

I truly enjoyed reading this commentary and it was very entertaining.

You bringing in Coach BCG as perhaps someone Coach Brooks could talk to in a down time for the football team was excellent. But then again I am well aware that Coach Brooks has had many years of this type in his many years of experience. But then again, would it not be great if they could be great friends and learn from one another at UK?

Swhit happens…just got to make those team guys work harder and instill the work harder and win attitude in these young athletes.

Oh, and I have to mention the Dr. Pepper and cheese (or peanut) crackers….loved it!

by kykat51 on Aug 6, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm happy you enjoyed the piece ...

... after I finished I thought that people would either love it, or hate it.

by Ken Howlett on Aug 6, 2008 5:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ken that

was rather inspirational! Whether or not the two confide in one another it’s a testament to triumphing over adversity no matter the sport you participate in.

by bluecrip on Aug 6, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks bluecrip.

Who knows how much the two talk, probably not all that often.

Your analysis is right on.

by Ken Howlett on Aug 6, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice article

Just for fun, you all know how much I think of Barnhart and what he’s done for Kentucky athletics.
I’m old. Therefore I remember when Kentucky was actually THE basketball program in the country. We didn’t worry about getting a new coach off to a great start and cancel games such as the UMass game as Barnhart did last year.
In the ole days when you bought your season tickets you knew there was a better than average chance you were going to see someone on the schedule you had heard of.
For example, the year Rupp opened the pre conference schedule was:
Wisconsin, TCU, Indiana, Kansas, South Carolina, UKIT included Bowling Green and Utah, and then Notre Dame. I don’t think Hagan was making sure Joe B, got off to a ‘great start’ that year.
In the 77-78 year, we won the national championship. The pre conference schedule was SMU, Indiana, Kansas, South Carolina, UKIT included Portand and St John’s, then Iona and Notre Dame.
I know this is not doing any good but maybe some day, some how you’ll see we actually saw someone other than those teams you have to suffer through now.
Oh, and the last football team, Curry coached played Louisville, Cincinnati, Indiana, Florida, Alabama, South Carolina, LSU, Georgia, Miss State, Vandy, and Tennessee.
The scheduling gods had yet to arrive at Commonwealth.
Hey, I’m not saying we aren’t still the University of Kentucky. I just wonder when we started worrying about wins and loses over quality wins.
Your Old Pain in the Butt
Bye, Bye

by Paris on Aug 6, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know ...

... you may be old, but I remember all those days just as well. Which makes me old too, I guess.

What did Curry get for playing over his head? Fired, that’s what. And when Curry played Louisville, they went to exactly 2 bowls during his tenure. Cincinnati? No bowls and 3 winning seasons. Indiana? 3 winning seasons and 2 bowls. All the other teams are SEC teams, so that’s a wash.

Since Brooks has been coach, Louisville has been to 4 bowls in 5 years, including the Orange Bowl. No, we don’t play IU any more, but Indiana hasn’t had a winning, or even .500 season since 1994 until last year. Akron, who we play this year, has had 3 winning seasons, one .500 season and a bowl since Brooks got here.

So I guess my question is, what’s your point? It can’t be that we play an easier schedule, because the stats say we don’t.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 6, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Paris

Check out Florida’s basketball schedule, which Tru posted in a front page FanShot. Pathetic.

At least we don’t have Jeremy Foley making UK’s BB sched.

You’re not a “pain in the butt” ... just colorful :)

by Ken Howlett on Aug 6, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Point Is-

Huh?
My point is when you are paying to see the Cats play it would be nice to see them play someone you’ve actually heard of. I guess you’ve been following Norfork State since you were old enough to turn on the TV. How many division one schools have they beat? Western, how many? Middle Tennessee also. Please list the bowls those teams went to.
Curry couldn’t load the sc hedule with those teams so he could be half way to a bowl. He actually played nine SEC games then. Don’t tell me Barnhart is scheduling quality games. Ain’t no way. Who’s Georgia opening with? How About Alabama? They don’t look for pansies to play.
And now tell me how the basketball team’s schedule is compared to Hall’s.
We are and will continue to be an also ran until we actually find an athletic director who has the guts to go out and hire a football coach. I heard Spurrier inviewed on television when he took the South Carolina job. He was asked if anyone else in the SEC had approached him about becoming their head coach. “No” was his answer. Correct me if I wrong but I think Kentucky was in the conference then. No, we don’t want a coach that runs up the score and all the other garbage our fans say. Well, we’ve got one that doesn’t. Except against the three sister of the poor we play.
Brooks has done a nice job the last two years. But don’t compare the schedules he’s had with ANY other coach that’s been at Kentucky.
I anxiously await the comparison of the basketball schedules.
Whose place did Akron take on the schedule?

by Paris on Aug 6, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paris ...

... Barnhart couldn’t schedule 9 SEC games if he wanted to. Why on earth should Kentucky, a football team that has historically been just plain bad, schedule stronger OOC games than it’s peers? It makes no sense, and making a schedule so that you wind up 4-9 with no post season is exactly the kind of thinking that has kept Kentucky down so long in football. You don’t build programs by sitting at home in late December and January.

Let’s look at last year for example. Despite a fairly weak OOC slate, Kentucky still had the second strongest SOS behind Tennessee in the entire SEC (54.34). Compare that, for example, to Ohio State, who played in the BCS championship with an SOS of only 50.10. Kentucky played a tougher overall schedule last year than any of the teams you mention.

Regarding Spurrier, he was the coach of the Washington Redskins when Brooks was hired. What was Barnhart going to do, fire the guy he hired less than a year earlier for Spurrier? I don’t think so.

With respect to basketball, I agree that we could do better, theoretically. The problem is not so much that we don’t want to toughen the schedule as today’s modern reality of lucre. Quality division 1 college basketball teams want a home-and-home, and athletic directors are understandably reluctant to give up that home revenue in an away game when we can schedule smaller teams without a return game. It is just modern reality. You won’t find any team in America scheduling any differently these days, so to blame Barnhart for it is just bias. We play two teams this year in the top five and one more in the top 25 out of conference, at least. If you want to see how cupcake schedules are set up, look up top to my fanshot about Florida. You may not want to change with the times, but the rest of the world has already moved on.

That is just another example of why it is so hard to compare eras. Back in those days, you just scheduled whoever you wanted that was willing to play. These days, there are other considerations, and every athletic director of a big name school in America is scheduling to their advantage. I don’t particularly like that, but as long as we aren’t doing a Florida, I can live with it.

The answer to your other question is Kent State, another MAC team.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 7, 2008 7:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TRU

Tru said it better than I could.

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by davw83 on Aug 7, 2008 9:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops ...

I just noticed Akron got replaced by either Norfolk State or Western. I think I remember there was a scheduling conflict with that game. I believe FCS Norfolk State replaced them from the MEAC, so that does weaken our OOC schedule a bit this year. But I don’t believe that was by design.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 7, 2008 2:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wrong

I think you should be comparing our schedules to other teams in the current year(like ALA or UGA and some others as well) and not Curry’s and Halls teams which were at a minimum over ten years ago and in Halls case much longer. Ten years is a lifetime in the sportsworld.
Times change and so does scheduling. Just becuase your old doesnt mean you can gripe about how scheduling was in your day. UK perenially has one of the toughest schedules in the nation in both basketball and football. Change happens. Deal with it. If you dont like going to Rupp to see teams you’ve never heard of stay home.

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by davw83 on Aug 7, 2008 9:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Georgia opens with Georgia Southern; if I'm not mistaken

Additionally, I believe that I saw a stat somewhere that said Georgia traveled a total of 158 miles last year for their OOC schedule and most of that was a road trip to Georgia Tech. One of the big gripes I see on college football message boards is the perception that the SEC as a whole schedules weak OOC. And when you’re a team with national title aspirations and can’t afford more than one loss… and you have 5 conference games that could be “good” losses, I understand that.

As to basketball… its a different time. You mention the UMass game, and I think you’ll find that almost everyone around here agrees about the circumstances there. Tru said it better than I ever could, but I think you’d be hard pressed to find many teams in the country playing the likes of UNC, Louisville, West Virginia, Iowa, Kansas State, and Indiana.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 7, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you old guys

have fun with this one

by kykat51 on Aug 6, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ten Years Ago

You all are right. We need to win at least 6 or 7. It doesn’t matter two of those wins are against former OVC schools and one NO one heard of until we scheduled them. Yes, we should play that caliber of teams so we can brag about going to a bowl.
I will admit. If we have to play schools like that to get into a bowl then no one is going to think of us other than an SEC bowl team. When outsiders mention the SEC and football we should be right there with the Alabamas, LSUs, and the others. Yep, I noticed Florida is playing both Florida State and Miami this year. Those fools. You’d think they actually wanted to be seen by everyone in the country. All those four and five star recruits coming in. And every one of them hoping they can get to play in Nashville in the Music City Bowl. It has saved Kentucky football. Praise the Lord and pass the kicking tee.
And of course your right about the Hall era and the Curry era. They were foolish to play some one who might beat us. We just want the wins! Oh, those stupid fools.
I think if we are worried about only paying someone to come into Lexington for a few hundred thousand dollars we should rotate the games between Murray, Morehead, Eastern and Georgetown. And in basketball we should stay away from the potential giant killers like Gardner-Webb, and San Diego State and play Centre, Berea and Transy. At least the money will stay in the state and it go into local programs. Hey, we probably could count those early.
Yes, I see my faults, its not the competition as much as it is wins. I understand now.
Sorry, I guess I just wanted us to considered great again. You know, a little better than a twelve seed in the Big Dance.
Who would have ever thought there would be 62 bowls games and all we’ve got to do is win three in the conference and we’re in.
Yes, we played a tougher schedule than Ohio State. And we both got to play in bowl games. Think Barhart would consider a home and home with them? Playing Ohio State, silly me. What would we gain from that?
Poor ole Tennesse is playing UCLA on national television. Georgia going to Ariz State. Alabama is playing in Atlanta against Clemson. Those fools. What do they expect to get other than a national audience. Alabama is suppose to go back to Atlanta again next year to play Virginia Tech.
Last year we moved the Louisville game so we could be better prepared. Before that game we were on national television. Not last year. At least not in Florida.

I give, you’ve got me. Glory to Barhart, Billy G. and Papa Brooks. Bring on the wins.
I am such a fool for not understanding. Its not who you beat but only if you beat someone.

by Paris on Aug 7, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Basketball Schedule

UK’s basketball schedule has consistently been one of the toughest in the nation, especially over the last 10 years. That’s an undebatable issue. I find it ironic that you are complaining about the football schedule, when for decades UK played only a middling basketball schedule. Yet I don’t read you castigating Rupp and the many AD’s he worked for ( or was it the other way around? ).

You wrote - “Its not who you beat but only if you beat someone.” - Sadly, that is true. Take a look at the UL football program. They built a new stadium by beating nobodies, they built a national reputation by beating nobodies.

I like playing good competition as much as the next guy, but in football where UK faces a brutal SEC schedule every year, I have no problem with them playing two or three “easy” games. At some point reality has to set in. In order for Kentucky to consistently compete with the upper tier SEC programs ( Florida, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee ) they have to have the athletes. In order to get the athletes a team has to win, and go to bowl games. It’s happening right in front of your face, as we speak. There are two top 10 quarterbacks, who aren’t from Kentucky, that have UK on their short list of potential schools. That never, ever would have happened five years ago. They are interested now because UK has won back-to-back bowls, and are 16-10 over the last two years.

Comparing eras is futile and naive. College athletics have changed dramatically just over he last 10-15 years, much less 50 years. All college coaches are generally interested in keeping their million dollar jobs ( as well as AD’s ) and the best way to ensure job security is to win games. Winning games brings in big dollars from bowl receipts, and bigger donations from boosters. That’s just life; good, bad, or indifferent.

by Ken Howlett on Aug 7, 2008 10:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um,

I am going to go ahead and say "yes", Paris was being totally sarcastic.
And to think, you spent your valuable time putting together a genuinely intelligent post….and that’s his/her response. What a shame, next time, Ken, save your precious time.

by BigSkyCat on Aug 7, 2008 11:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're Right

I realize my sins.
Rupp’s last year he played a bunch of nobodies preseason. Northwestern, Kansas, Kansas State, Indiana, in the UKIT-Missouri and Princeton and Notre Dame.
I know now its only about the wins. We’ve rode his 800+ wins for years. Don’t hear anyone mention him anymore since Dean Smith and Bobby Knight passed him.
WOW and its all happening right in front of my face in football. 16-10 and we played six teams that would look good on Eastern Kentucky’s schedule to get six of those wins. I’m not going to say 10-10 isn’t a step up. Damn its actually a leap.
Hope you’re right
A win is a win and those wins against nobodies are just as important as the ones against SEC schools. Wonder if those wins have any standing when they pick who goes to what bowl?
Hey, is been nice in Nashville the past two years. Not exactly bikini weather but you don’t actually have to pull out you map of the Southeastern United States to find it.
At schools with the million dollar coaches they have to win or be gone. Nutt won the Western Division three times in ten years at Arkansas. They wanted him out. We’ve haven’t seen the top three in our division, well, please tell me. I’m tried of trying to prove you all are falling for the smoke and mirrors of Barhart’s magic.
You’re right.
We are what we are and fourth is good in the East. Maybe Billy G. needs to win a tourney game next year but a 12th seed ins’t bad. Is it? Barnhart told us what a trooper he was for agreeing to play Georgia the next day.

by Paris on Aug 7, 2008 11:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It will be humorous when all the BBall schedules are released and rated...

And its discovered that UK has one of the toughest in the country again. You mention all those teams on Rupp’s last schedule… and I remind you of what I said above:

I think you’d be hard pressed to find many teams in the country playing the likes of UNC, Louisville, West Virginia, Iowa, Kansas State, and Indiana.

We had a home and home with Maryland when they were good; when that was done, we had a home and home with Michigan State when they were good; after that we had our home and home stompings from Kansas; while playing those we were also playing UNC, Indiana, and Louisville. Those were the Tubby years; when Pitino was here we were still playing our series with Notre Dame… but we certainly weren’t playing UNC every year. So other than one marquee game that we have dropped… I fail to see how the schedule is significantly different now than it has been for the last two decades.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 8, 2008 7:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tell me.

The point of the whole discussion was ‘when you pay to see Kentucky play home games would you would you not enjoy seeing them play a quality team or a sure win’?
Give me your opinion on that.

by Paris on Aug 8, 2008 9:06 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quality Game

I will tell you quality game. I will also tell you that I don’t realistically expect them to have 12 “quality” games on the schedule prior to the start of conference play. I do think home and homes with Louisville, UNC, and Indiana are about as good as any non-conference regularly scheduled match ups in the country.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 8, 2008 9:24 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In Football

And in football? A Virginia Tech or Missouri or Illinois home and home or Nofork State, Middle Tennessee or of such caliber?

by Paris on Aug 8, 2008 9:30 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd be happy if Indiana went back on the schedule

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 8, 2008 9:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A response!

Thank you chirop1 for your response.
Others?

by Paris on Aug 8, 2008 9:54 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It should be noted

That Indiana is only because of the proximity and the fact that it could be almost a guaranteed win.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 8, 2008 9:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

Indiana may have been an almost guarenteed win but it was a win against a conference who is in the BCS.
I’m surprised we are getting more response.

by Paris on Aug 8, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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