Starting Lineup- depends on who we play
Interested in seeing a nontraditional use of our talent. How about something really weird? A starting lineup like the following:
PG: 6'4" Jody Meeks- High Basketball IQ, great handle, great speed (quickness?), scoring threat that would touch the ball a lot
SG: 6'7" Darius Miller- Great leaper, rebounder, defender who shut down Hopkins, scoring threat over smaller shooting guards (speed and quickness?)
SF: 6'9" Perry Stevenson- Great leaper, rebounder, shot blocker, a consistent 12' shooter, (defender, quickness, speed ?)
PF: 6'9" Patrick Patterson- Does it all and too much for most PFs, can also handle the middle
C: 6'9" Josh Harrelson- Takes the opposing center outside due to his outside shot, big body, can switch out to PF, (defense, speed, quickness and intensity?)
*Think what a starting lineup like that would do for our backup players. Depth in every position. I'm excited. What do you think?
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I think ...
… we could see something like that during the season. The number of interchangeable parts that this team should have is bewildering, and I think it is one of our biggest strengths this year.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2008 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lineup
i think we’ll see that lineup a pretty good amount, but i don’t know if that’s what are starting lineup should be. i think a true point like liggins will be starting.
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by UKWildCatFanatic on Aug 26, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lineup
Harris. Stevenson. Patterson. Meeks. Liggins.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 26, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting
My gut feeling is Porter, Meeks, Harris, Stevenson, and Patterson because they have been in the system a year. But remember last year Crawford came off the bench early in the year, so we may get some surprises(whoever practices well). Liggins, if he does not start will probably be on the floor pretty quickly. If Meeks shots don’t fall, we will need someone like Darius Miller to come in and get it going to take some pressure off Patterson on the inside. While there are some question marks offensively, I think this team really has the potential to be great defensively.
by cthom on Aug 26, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meeks
will need to handle the ball some, but will need to really be the consistent outside scoring threat….ballhandling duties don’t need to fall directly into his hands. Liggins, Porter and Galloway need to excel in the point guard play for Meeks to be truly effective. This team has the potential to be one of the better defensive teams in recent memory, so hopefully some easy buckets will be in order from creating turnovers.
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by adaircam4 on Aug 27, 2008 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weird Line Ups
Very interesting comments. Meeks I believe is the key. Because of Jasper, I think his point guard skills were not developed. Remember, he came to KY as a combo guard. Now we have a coach who is looking for a “lead guard” who can score, hit 90% of his free throws and force a defense not to slack off him like they did Jasper. He may not be quick enough to play the point. He certainly is fast enough and can dribble, although i think Coach will want to see the ball passed up the court not deliberately dribled up the court. Liggins or Galloway will have to score and hit free throws in order to keep their jobs.
Meeks at the point permits, Miller to play the #2 and Stevenson to play the #3. Patterson can dominate the #4, but may have to play the #5 against North Carolina, TN and the ‘ville. I think we will see Liggins and Galloway in the exhibition games and the first game, but against NC, I think this lineup could cause NC trouble, if we can keep up with their team speed, UK will be bigger and stronger. I’m, of course hoping that Josh can also play well at PF.
Finally, can you imagine wearing a team down with a lineup like this and then bringing in the following lineup depending on the score:
PG: Liggins
SG: Meeks/Galloway
SF: Harris
PF: Stewart
C: Patterson/ Carter
Like I said, the best depth in a long while and a coach willing to move players around to meet the “teams” needs.
by Blueobsessed on Aug 27, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What I think we need out of the lineup. What do you think?
With the changes noted above, no matter who is “manning” the positions here is what I think the totalstats “by position” should read at the end of the game. Obviously we will not win every game.
LG- at least 10 points 5-8 assists 5 rebounds
W- 15-20 points 3-5 assists and at least 8rebounds
W- 10-15 points 3-5 assists and at least 8 rebounds
Post- 15-20 points 3-5 assists and 10 rebounds
Post- 10-15 points 3-5 assists and at least 10 rebounds
Totals 60-80 points 17-28 assists and 41 rebounds
Turnovers must be held under 10 and the team must average in the high 70% in free throws. Defense must hold the opponent to the low 60’s. What do you think?
by Blueobsessed on Aug 29, 2008 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
we will ever see a lineup with a PG/SG/SF/PF/C.
Coach G uses the high/low motion and is recruiting to fill that offensive scheme. The offense is very effective and the “parts” are very interchangeable.
LG: Galloway/Porter and, eventually Liggins.
Wing: Meeks/Williams
Wing: Harris/Miller. When Liggins takes over at LG, Galloway will also play wing.
Post: Patterson/Stewart
Post: Stevenson/Harrellson
I hope Carter gained confidence with his trip to Africa and can give a few quality minutes. I also hope that Krebs and Slone can get a few minutes.
The depth and the addition of long, athletic slashers will make this an interesting season. This is a team that will add a new meaning to “40 minutes of hell.”
by seattlekat on Aug 28, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I bow to your terminology
I get it. As a person who has followed KY basketball for 42 years and lived in Jessamine County for 30, I get stuck in the old traditional basketball positions. Oh how I remember he days of the 1-3-1 zone and sometimes yearn for the rough and tumble days of Roby, Phillips, James Lee and Larry Stamper. On defense it was “Bring it in here and you will get hurt!” Not dirty, just physical, bigger than Big 10 basketball.
What I here you saying is that change is coming with a team full of 6’4"-6’9" players who all play bigger than they are due to their length, are interchangeable and becuse of frequent substitutions can keep up such a pace that the third and fourth quarters will be fun to watch.
So I will adopt the LG, Wing, Wing, Post, Post positioning. and agree that the LG must be someone that cannot be pressed, fouled or forced to turnover the ball. Liggins may be our man. It is just so much to ask of a Freshman. Remember Jasper’s freshman year. After three years it was a role that Ramel finally accepted.
So, I am with you, Either Galloway, or Porter, or even Meeks or Williams must stepp and take over this team on the court, if Liggins is not ready on Day One. Without a powerful player LG, this system will not work.
Nevertheless, I am ready for change, because this type of change means a referee cannot defeat us with his whistle. UK will not have to worry about fouls taking our key players out of the game because everyone is experienced in playing several positions. GOCATS!
by Blueobsessed on Aug 29, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gillispie
Look at his UTEP, TAMU, and now UK teams.
He plays 7 or 8 guys A LOT and the other 5 or 6 VERY LITTLE.
His starters average 25 to 30 minutes PT and the 2 or 3 key reserves average 15 or 20 minutes PT. The other players get (about) 10 minutes per game TOTAL (not each).
Pitino played a longer rotation (10 players) whereas Tubby played 8 or 9 players. Gillispie plays a shorter totation than either.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 29, 2008 8:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know,
I wonder how much of that 7-8 man rotation was initially due to absolute necessity and not exactly preference?
I mean, obviously in Texas the goal was to do whatever it took to simply put together some sort of a positive season and last season, well, the injury thing really determined the amount of players that were available — not to mention the players that for one reason or another were not "ready" in the mind of Coach Gillispie.
So, again, just totally thinking out loud here, but maybe the short rotation up to this point in BCG’s career has just been because of necessity (and the need to play the best players in order to get wins) and not preference.
by BigSkyCat on Aug 29, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UTEP And TAMU
5 years of the same thing.
Don’t see how UK situation in 2008 season would have impacted his prior 5 years.
Gillispie had full rosters at those 2 TX schools (and then some).
He plays 7 or 8 guys.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 29, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well,
I’m certainly not trying to argue with you about the fact that BCG has used a short rotation up to this point.
What I was trying to do (not very well, apparently) was to try and come up with a possible explanation for the short rotation, instead of just saying "he plays 7 or 8 guys."
I was simply trying to understand a possible why, with a full roster "and then some" (yeah, thanks – I did know that) Coach Gillispie would choose to only play a small portion of his roster. I guess you don’t know why either, huh? : )
by BigSkyCat on Aug 29, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rotation from Blueobsessed
The way I see it is year might be different. With the obvious exception of Patterson and Meeks, the next 6-7 players on the squad are very similar in talent. Therefore to not go 8-9 deep would cripple you for next year, when you bring in Hood, Vilarino, and possibly Orton, Wall and Pilgrim. It would seem essential for this year to be a training ground for next year’s juniors and seniors. Williams, Galloway, Porter, Stewart, Harris, Harrellson and yes Carter will essential to this year’s sucess. Not playing them, especially against weaker opponents to get them ready for the March wars would be a mistake.
by Blueobsessed on Aug 29, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's Not The Only Coach Like That
Some very successful coaches play a short rotation.
None more so than Adolph Rupp, for example.
Nothing wrong with 7 or 8 man rotation.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 31, 2008 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Substitution patterns
I wonder if we’ll see the crazy subing patterns at the beginning of this season. I didnt always understand what G was thinking then but it sure was entertaining. He used his bench much more in the nonconference and then paired it down once conference time rolled around. I expect we will see much the same this year.
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by davw83 on Aug 29, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
substitutions
I agree while PT is important for establishing a starting unit, I think during the exhibitions and VMI, we will see all sorts of combinations. After the NC game we will see other combinations before Louisville. Here is the place to see if Stevenson, Harris or Stewart can really playr the wing and if Meeks can play the LG. After all Meeks is the second smallest player on the roster. If Meeks, Miller/Williams, and Stevenson are quick enough to play down a slot from their normal position, I think we could cause NC , Louisville and TN trouble. If not, I think we will have to rely on too many inexperienced freshmen. The bench will make or break us this year. This is why Porter, Galloway and Liggins have to get used to playing the wing as well as LG and we need not just a good, but a great year out of Harrellson. A lot of substitutions early in the year are going to be important to get us ready for March.
by Blueobsessed on Aug 29, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ponder this........
“Gillispie had full rosters at those 2 TX schools (and then some).”
I agree the rosters were full at UTEP, then A&M , however, the talent levels of those full rosters were nothing like Coach G will have for this season.
Last season with injuries, the roster was “short.” This will really be his first year as a Head Coach with an abundance of the kind of players he seems to prefer!
Yes, Coach has a “history” of playing 7 or 8 guys……..let’s see if the same holds true with the increase in talent AND depth.
That being said, hard to have much of a rotation over 9 players. Will be interesting to “watch and see.”
by seattlekat on Aug 30, 2008 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His UTEP (2004) And TAMU (2006, 2007) Teams Were Talented
If he is a talented recruiter (not much doubt), his rosters would have been talent laden at those places, too.
His first years at UTEP (2003) and TAMU (2006), he played the cards he was dealt.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 31, 2008 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
7-8
I really think he will stick with the 7-8 guys come conference play starts.
While his rosters A&M and UTEP where full his competition was also not quite as good. At least at UTEP anyway. I dont expect him to reverse trend now.
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by davw83 on Aug 30, 2008 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who will make the 7-9 rotation?
First of all it is refresshing that Coach is very honest with everyone about how he coaches. Practice produces who starts and the amount of playing time. While this may seem so fundamental, I think many coaches settle on their starting line-up and try to coach the indivduals based on the talent they will face. I think Coach G. is harder to prepare for because he can throw seveal variations of players at you.
So Here is what I see. Four players, based on experience and raw talent will be in the rotation. Perry Stevenson, Ramon Harris, Jody Meeks, and Patrick Patterson. This does not mean they will start, but I believe they will get a lot of playing time. Then we have five players who are possible to make the 7-9 man rotation. These players bring a high level of credential, but are untested in the thin air of Kentucky basketball. They are Darius Miller, Kevin Galloway, De Andre Liggins, Donald Williams (if he is on the squad) and Josh Harrellson. I am not sure all of these men will make the rotation. That leaves us with three very questionable players who are going to demonstrate a radical change in their game to make the rotation and not just be practice meat. They are Michael Porter, A.J. Stewart and Jared Carter.
Of course injuries can move people up and down the 7-9 man rotation. I see us loaded with wings. If someone will step up and be an offensive threat, while dishing out numerous assists and hitting their free throws, the LG position will be theirs.
If someone asserts himself as a dominate post player and takes the pressure off of Patterson, I think the position is theirs. It will be most interesting watching this drama unfold. I know they all will try their hardest. Go CATS!!!!!!
by Blueobsessed on Aug 30, 2008 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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