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On Villarino, Euton and Ross-Miller

Matt Jones at Kentucky Sports Radio stirred up a bit of a controversy this morning with his remarks on G.J. Vilarino, K.C. Ross-Miller and Dakotah Euton that apparently inspired some angry defenders of at least one of the young men to come forth in their defense.

Further to that tempest in a teapot, Matt decided to add this post to revise and extend his remarks, and respond to those who were alarmed by his earlier post.  I think Matt is merely passing on the perceptions he has had from people who do observe these guys play, and I know what it is like to have to take heat for not always having the Big Blue glasses on.

With all that said, though, here are the things that caused me a tiny bit of consternation in Matt's remarks:

GJ Vilarino: It has continued to be a tough run for GJ this summer. He has basically blended into the woodwork during most of his action and whispers continue to increase that his status with UK might change in the coming months. He is actively being recruited over by UK, which is never a good sign, and his performance has made him listed somewhere between 200-300 by most services. It has been a tough summer for GJ and it is unclear what is ahead.

...

KC Ross-Miller: Like GJ Vilarino, it has been a tough go for Miller. KC has simply not improved at the rate of his fellow classmates and it is showing on the court. While he likely shows more upside than Vilarino, he still has a lot of work to do. He finds himself outside of the rankings and continues to mystify as to why we havent seen more from him. I think it is safe to say that between GJ and KC, it is likely at least one wont end up at UK. As to who that is, who knows.

...

Dakotah Euton: Another tough summer. Dakotah simply doesnt look good enough to play at Kentucky when he is on the court. I like Dakotah as a kid and he still has time to develop. But if you ask any talent scout not affiliated with UK if Dakotah is a UK player, they will not say yes. His move to Scott County is a good one….if he gets to play. This is a huge year for Dakotah….not time by far to give up on him, but seeing him at UK becomes harder and harder.

[emphasis mine]

Here is why this rankles.  Every one of these guys is an "early" commit, and basically Matt appears to be saying that Gillispie has possibly struck out on his first three early commitments before they even arrive at UK, and is likely to abandon one or more of them, or "encourage" one or more of them to go elsewhere.

If this happens, the firestorm over Gillispie's very early recruiting will absolutely explode back in his face, and we will see stories by the hundreds explaining that this is exactly why recruits shouldn't commit early -- because if they don't live up to expectations, unethical coaches will withdraw their offer or "convince" the recruit to break his commitment and go elsewhere.  Both, to me, are ugly.

And how does Matt square the above remarks with this comment he made on his blog back in May? Quoth he:

(2): Billy Clyde was on the Scott Van Pelt show and said that UK would honor commitments of young players, regardless of their development. That means that if Avery, Zollo, Miller, Euton, etc dont develop, they still will be coming to UK. That is good from an ethical standpoint, but sure puts a LOT of pressure on the staff to identify talent early on.[SIC]

[emphasis mine]

Gillispie has said that with respect to recruiting, his word is his bond.  Matt appears to be suggesting (or passing on the suggestion of others) that it really isn't so.  Maybe I am misreading him here, but how else do these guys not make it to UK?

Let's hope for UK's sake that Matt's sources are wrong, that all these guys develop, and that all three make it here.  Kentucky in general and Gillispie in particular cannot afford to be seen as vascillating on this point, as it is a cornerstone of Gillispie's "I'm just an old country boy and my word is stronger than oak" persona (Jerry McGuire reference intended).

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To have any peace of mind...

through Gillispie’s rebuilding process at UK I just have to trust him and his associates to know what they are doing. I have no problem with that, as they know more than anyone else out there including all these scouts and bystanders.

I do believe he will honor his commitments to anyone he has offered a scholly.

by kykat51 on Jul 9, 2008 4:34 PM EDT   0 recs

UK Rebuilding?

UK was 131-40 (77%) the 5 years before Gillispie arrived.

Rebuilding off 77% is not all that hard.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 9, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Drop it FortyYear..

We are in Gillispie mode…not Tubby mode…Ok?

by kykat51 on Jul 9, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rebuilding?

Please. Some fans expectations will never be realized.

by Clandestine on Jul 9, 2008 10:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No!

77% the prior 5 years does NOT warrant “rebuilding” terminology. It’s ABSURD to use that word.

UK was rebuilding in the early 1990’s. Not before, and not since.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 9, 2008 10:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not record; reputation

No, there isn’t much rebuilding to do of our record. It’s been unarguably good. What does need rebuilding is our reputation. I remember when talk of the NCAA tournament nearly always involved talk about Kentucky. That’s not been the case for at least three years (including the first year under Gillispie, to be fair.) The national conversation just doesn’t feature UK as prominently as it once did, and I think that’s what we’d like rebuilt.

Granted, all programs go through it at one time or another. UCLA, UNC, Duke, etc. have all been there (as I believe someone on this blog pointed out in the last year or so.) But right now, UK plays the role of “giant killer” more often than “giant.” As much as I liked upsetting Bruce Pearl’s applecart last year, I like it even more when we go in against him as a 20 point favorite. That reputation is gonna take some rebuilding. If Gillispie hits home runs with these early recruits, (i.e. they are really good at UK) the rebuilding of the reputation goes up faster than if he misses.

by Acdixon on Jul 10, 2008 8:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

UK Ranks Among Top 5 Over 5 Years And 10 Years Prior To Gillispie

Both in W-L (%) record and Most W, whether overall or in NCAA games only. Top 5.

1 or 2 subpar years doesn’t have that great an impact on reputation.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 10, 2008 1:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not long-term

UK will always be considered a program with a top notch tradition, but we’ve not been regarded as a top-notch team (by the media, not the stats) for a few years. That’s what I’m talking about. That’s what we want changed. That’s what Gillispie is trying to do.

Like it or not, recruits don’t care about what the stats say that much. They care about exposure and being in the national conversation. As fans, we can appreciate our storied tradition and our gaudy statistics, but it’s OK to also want the national exposure and buzz. It’s not all about regular season W-L; it’s not all about Final Fours and tourney success. It’s some of both, and it seems the latter has been lacking the last few years. We can appreciate the former and still hope the latter improves. That doesn’t make us Tubby-haters, impossible to please, or anything else of that ilk.

by Acdixon on Jul 10, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

UK Is Elite

2 or 3 subpar years doesn’t change that.

UNC had several years like that in the early 2000’s but remained elite.

Duke had a couple in the mid 1990’s but stayed at the highest level.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 11, 2008 6:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One advantage

Like it or not, Duke and UNC have one advantage over UK with the media – they play in the ACC. ESPN is always going to hype Duke-Carolina, even in their down years. That matters with recruits, right or wrong.

UK is elite. I never said otherwise. But public perception is that we are down (no matter what the stats say) and that matters. The point I’m trying to make is I liked it better when UK could not be ignored, by the media or anyone else.

by Acdixon on Jul 11, 2008 1:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually Not So

UK is (and was) considered an Elite program by the national media all along.

It is the local and regional types who think 22-12 never happened at UK before.

UK missed the NCAA several times (each) in the 1960’s and 1970’s with records worse than 2006 or 2007.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 11, 2008 4:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We disagree

I think you’re completely wrong about the national media continueing to think UK is an elite program over the last couple of seasons and even the most level headed UK fan would agree. Does the national media still tink UK is one of the most storied programs of all time, yes.
Does the natioal media think UK is one of the elite programs over the last several seasons, a big fat NO.
Whatever facts you want to use you can but I dont really think you grasp that perception is a bit more important than stats in the eyes of fans, recruits, and media. Its just how the world works.

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by davw83 on Jul 11, 2008 4:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Vitale, Bilas (To Name 2) Did

If 2 subpar years (2006 and 2007) were enough, why not UNC in early 2000’s or Duke in mid 1990’s then? Same thing happened to them.

I think UK fans are a bit of a laughingstock in the national media.

The former coach has far superior credentials (and results) to the current coach, yet many UK fans hate the former and love the current one.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 12, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dont get it

You just dont get it man.

I agree with you about UK fans and the national media.

The problem is one of perception not REALITY. 2 subpar seasons should not be enough and I agree with you thant many other programs UNC and UCLA indcluded in the last decade have faced similar problems but the issue is one of perception. How the national media and other basketball types PERCIEVE UK. Perception doesnt have to be justified by facts and I think we can all agree rightly or wrongly UK has been perceived as not an elite program of the last several seasons and this includes Billy G’s first season and may actualy continue for a couple more seasons.
You questions why UNC and Duke have not been percieved the same way. All I can tell you is that people are biased and that bias DOES NOT have to be based on facts. I think you find it hard to step outside yourself and think about how other people process things. You are very analytical and thats not bad at all BUT other people dont process information the same way and sometimes issues arise in discussion where there is no definite right or wrong answer. This is one of them.

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by davw83 on Jul 12, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Perception (And Reality) Is LOCAL

KY and surrounding areas. National media of normal intelligence knew better.

UK had the #1 record in Div I hoops from 2003 through 2005.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 12, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree to disagree

Other than you saying the perception is local and me saying the perception is national there just isnt any proof beyond our opinion. I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

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by davw83 on Jul 12, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Perception Or Reality

Perception. Gillispie >>> Tubby as a recruiter.

Reality. Here are 2008 class rankings (below).

HoopScoop. Minnesota 12. Kentucky 35.
Hoopmasters. Minnesota 18. Kentucky 21.
ESPN (Gibbons). Minnesota 25. Kentucky 19.
Rivals. Minnesota 23. Kentucky 21.
Scout. Minnesota 27. Kentucky 15.
AVERAGE. Minnesota 21. Kentucky 22.

Which matters more? Perception or reality?

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 12, 2008 5:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well ...

... the flaws in that argument are twofold.

1. Gillispie has only been at UK for one year, and it takes more time than that for a coach to bring the full power of a program like Kentucky into meaningful use on the recruiting trail.

2. Tubby Smith is still trading on his success at UK and his former status as head coach at one of the nation’s premiere programs.

Now, I am not trying to make the case that Gillispie is a better recruiter than Smith. You are absolutely right when you say that at this point, that is pure perception.

On the other hand, Gillispie has unarguably been able to create a “buzz” around Kentucky, something Smith was not doing. Why? I don’t know. Maybe he didn’t think it was necessary. But I think it is. And continuing that thought, a “buzz” certainly isn’t necessary at Minnesota.

So let’s not get all bogged down in “reality,” because what looks like reality right now might turn out to be an illusion. In maybe 3-5 years, after Gillispie has been able to engage recruits for a while, we can come back and revisit this comparison. It should be interesting, and I am not predicting the outcome—Smith is a much better recruiter than he ever got credit for at Kentucky.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 12, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Perception Or Reality?

Both coaches recruited well everywhere they ever coached. That’s REALITY.

Perception (of that fact) is a little different.

I’d clearly expect the UK coach to outrecruit the Minnesota coach. Wouldn’t you?

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 12, 2008 11:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure ...

... but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will happen. You would expect, all things being equal, that the UK coach could recruit better, but right now it’s to early to tell.

In the end, ranking of recruits is highly subjective, anyway —your own comment above demonstrates that. Just as trying to figure out if #1 and #2 are really ranked properly and having disagreement between all those major services, extending that out to hundreds of players and then aggregating them is a “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” situation.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2008 8:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It Had BETTER Happen

There is no way that the Minnesota coach should EVER recruit better than the Kentucky coach.

Not just currently but EVER.

The 2008 class at UK is not of the cailber expected of Kentucky IMO.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 9:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well ...

... I beg to differ. This class is fine for a coach’s first year.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2008 10:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You May Differ But Looking Back

Sutton signed Rex Chapman, Derrick Miller, and Reggie Hanson his first year.

Pitino signed Jamal Mashburn, Gimel Martinez, and transfer Travis Ford his first year.

Even Tubby signed Tayshaun Prince, Desmond Allison, and Jules Camara his first year.

I don’t see the 2008 class as good as those were.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 12:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually ...

... I think 2008 is just as good, if not better, than any of those.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2008 6:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

To Each His Own

I don’t see it that way.

UK missed a lot of 2008 targets.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

Which ones? You mean guys like Sallie, or the guy who committed to UConn? They weren’t primary targets, they were last-second targets of opportunity.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Every Big Man UK Recruited (Plus)

WF / PF Chris Singleton Dunwoody, GA Florida State

WF Scotty Hopson 2008 Hopkinsville, KY Tennessee

C Tyler Zeller 2008 Washington, IN North Carolina

PG Courtney Fortson 2008 Patterson School, NC Arkansas

WG / WF Roderick Flemings 2008
JUCO Weatherford, TX Hawaii

C / PF Terrence Jennings 2008 Notre Dame Prep, MA Louisville

C J’Mison Morgan 2008 South Oak Cliff, TX UCLA

C Xavier Gibson 2008 Northview, AL Florida State

PG Verdell Jones 2008 Centennial
Champaign, IL Indiana

PF / WF Draymond Green 2008 Saginaw, MI Michigan State

PG / WG Tyrone Appleton 2008
JUCO Midland, TX Kansas

C Ian Markolf 2008 Churchill
San Antonio, TX Wisconsin

WG Bobby Maze 2008
JUCO Hutchinson, KS Tennessee

C Garrett Stutz 2008 North Kansas Cityy, MO Wichita State

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Forty ...

None of the above were major targets for Kentucky. All of them had been heavily recruited by others before Kentucky got involved.

UK never offered Stutz, or Markolf, or Flemings. Hopson was/is a head case, and so is Maze. Both were previously committed players who fall under the rubric of “Targets of opportunity.”

Give it up.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2008 11:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Beg To Differ

Singleton. Hopson. Jennings. Forston. Rotnei Clarke. Flemmings.

ALL were targeted by UK.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 14, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

clarke

i can understand the other players you mentioned before, but i don’t rotnei clwrke would have made any significant difference to our class.

and seeing as jennings can’t qualify and wants to go to europe for a year, no biggie there.

flemings picked Hawaii over UK…freaking Hawaii!! who does that…clearly a headcase ;)

going back to that first list, you named 14 players. i don’t know how scholarships work, but even if we had the #1 recruiting class, i think most of those would have been misses. i mean, if (read: when) BCG annually gets a couple top 25 kids, he’s still “missing” on 23, but i’ll take it.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Jul 14, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

TERRENCE Jennings

Not the guard who is going to Europe.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 16, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh...

name doesn’t even sound familiar…how important could he have been? :)

40, i’m kidding about his importance…

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by UKWildCatFanatic on Jul 16, 2008 11:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Top 25 Recruits

UK landed 1 in 1990. 0 in 1991. 3 in 1992. 0 in 1993. 1 in 1994. 2 in 1995. 0 in 1996 or 1997. (Pitino) That’s 7 in 8 years.

UK landed 1 in 1998. 2 in 1999. 1 in 2000. 1 in 2001. 0 in 2002 or 2003. 3 in 2004. 0 in 2005 or 2006. (Tubby) That’s 8 in 9 years.

UK landed 1 in 2007. 0 in 2008. (Gillispie)

What makes anyone think UK will land 2 Top 25 recruits annually when neither Tubby OR Pitino did so?

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 16, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

top 25

what allows me to think that UK will land 2 top 25 recruits annually is that this is UK…in my heart, everything good and nothing bad should alys happen.

it’s also what makes me make a bracket every year with UK winning it all. I buy an extra spot in every pool to do this….just in case.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Jul 16, 2008 11:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i can't type

that first sentence is supposed to read ”...i don’t think rotnei clarke…”

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by UKWildCatFanatic on Jul 14, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Forty.......

my reply is at the end of this thread…...

this space is too small….....

by BigSkyCat on Jul 14, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Clarke, Hopson, Fortson and Flemmings ...

... were not targets. They were considered and rejected BY UK.

Singleton was a miss, and so was Jennings. I don’t think Hopson was ever seriously considered by UK.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 16, 2008 11:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Tyler Zeller Was Another Target

Hopson was indeed a UK target.

Clarke WAS also. UK pushed for an early commitment from him. Fortson likewise. He was star of UK Elite Camp last summrt.

UK landed 2 top targets and missed a lot. The 2 spring signees and transfer were NOT top targets.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 16, 2008 7:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No ...

... Hopson wasn’t. I am convinced Gillispie did not recruit him hard. He knew what I think—Hopson is a head case.

If Clarke was such a target, Gillispie would have never abandoned the effort.

You are wrong on this, Forty, in my opinion. UK got their main targets in Liggins and Miller. The others were targets of opportunity with no real expectations of success.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2008 11:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Vitale and Bilas

I completely disagree that Bilas and Vitale continue to think of UK as an elite program. I know they have made statments to the contrary but I dont care enough to find them for you.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 12, 2008 1:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Neither Said Anything Of The Sort

Both recognized (and stated publicly) that 263-83 (23-9 in NCAA games) over 10 years, or 131-40 (9-5 in NCAA games) over 5 years HARDLY drops UK off the elite list.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 12, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

find the comments

Find the comments for me.

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by davw83 on Jul 12, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nope

Google yourself. Oughta be easy 2 do.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 12, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

UK may still have the stats and the history, but in the here-and-now, our reputation is not as it once was and should be. I believe that Gillispie has got what it takes to out the fear of Kentucky back into all of our opponents. Go Cats!!

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 11, 2008 9:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There Was No Such Fear In 60's - 70's - 80's

Some years, yes. But other years, no.

The “fear of Kentucky” mantra comes from the mid to late 1990’s. It didn’t exist since the 1950’s prior to that decade.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 11, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Retooling

How about retooling.

It’s not quite the same as rebuilding but does suggest change.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 10, 2008 9:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Every Coach Does That (Change)

Tubby did. Pitino. Sutton. Hall. Even Rupp back in 1930 (although UK had experienced success under John Mauer in the late 1920’s) recreated the UK program in his own way.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 10, 2008 1:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Change

My comment regarding change didnt need a recounting of UK’s history of change.
We have switched coaches. That is change. It irrefutable.
Thanks for the info though.
If I hadnt ready any other comment you’ve ever posted I wouldnt have known that Tubby, Pitino Sutton Hall and even Rupp made changes to their program.
Thanks for the education.

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by davw83 on Jul 10, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You are correct..

BCG is rebuilding UK.. rebuilding UK back to a powerhouse and back to national significance. back to where UK is expected to beat ranked teams. back to where Vandy no longer looks at UK as an easy win and to where UK is no loger Florida’s biotch. Back to where UK can get to a Final Four.

Yes, there is lots of rebuilding to be accomplished and I am confident it will happen.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jul 10, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

UK Subpar

in the SEC .Before BG, this team finished 1 game above .500 in Tubbys final 2 seasons.BG went 12-4,and lets just give him time.Tubby had 10 years, BG 1.Let’s be fair.

by -Zoso- on Jul 10, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

May as well expect...

our dear FortyYear back shortly…lol…I will not argue with him.

I state my opinions and let him go…he should have been a lawyer!

by kykat51 on Jul 10, 2008 10:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

UK Is Not Rebuilding

Unless you feel that Sutton was “rebuilding” after 7 years of “subpar” results under Joe Hall (1979 thru 1985) following the 1978 NCAA title.

79 = NIT 1st round L. 80 = NCAA L in Rupp Arena. 81 & 82 = NCAA 1st round L. 83 = big L to Louisville. 84 = ugly L to Georgetown. 85 = not a good year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 11, 2008 6:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

UK Averaged 12-4 (SEC) In The 10 Years B4 Gillispie Arrived

And was 20-5 in SECT those 10 years.

UK was 18-14 (SEC record) in 2006 and 2007. That’s 4 games (not 1) above .500 in SEC.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 11, 2008 6:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

40yr is back

and his Tubby blinders are on as tight as ever. I admit, your committment to defend Tubby is impressive. Imagine if he actually produced Final Fours at UK, then you would really have some powder.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jul 11, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry Those Are Facts

You can’t rave about 12-4 SEC record when that was the UK average (120 W, 40 L) the prior 10 years.

Tubby fell short on FF (he had 1, UK averages 2 per decade), E8 (he had 4, UK averages 5 per decade), and SEC titles (he had 5, UK averages 6 per decade).

Gillispie has none of those (FF, E8, or SEC title) so far. He won no B12 titles either but did win conference title at UTEP.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 11, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont get it

What I dont understand is how he manages to defend Tubby on a site that does not denigrate him.

I would like to see his posts on other UK sites but dont spend much time anywhere but here and KSR (and I dont post there).

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by davw83 on Jul 11, 2008 5:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Facts

I simply list facts and then give my opinions.

You may do the same. Which facts are wrong?

None that I can see.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 12, 2008 11:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Matt has sources?

I am a reader of both this blog and Matt’s blog. I think that Matt sometimes (often?) puts things out there to stimulate discussion which really have little or no basis or merit. I think it’s just a slow period for real basketball news and he’s playing devil’s advocate. I think all 3 will be Wildcats and will do just fine. They doesn’t mean they’re going to be NBA lottery picks though.

by BravoBigBlue on Jul 9, 2008 4:38 PM EDT   0 recs

My take on the matter is...

First, let me start off by saying I’m a “hater” in regards to Jones.

I think people find fault with Matt for a couple reasons:

1) He has zero credentials to make judgments on these players and questions those who have excellent credentials. Simple calling some other hack and asking them what they think isn’t talent evaluation. Thus, he is making comments with ZERO basis.

2) He implies things will happen with…again ZERO basis and calls it news and not what it is…pure speculation. He does this on a very public forum and in such a way it has caused problems between recruits and UK (re: Matt Pilgrim). To say UK’s coach will not keep his word, with no basis for such comments is plenty of basis to dislike him.

by jamccain on Jul 9, 2008 4:44 PM EDT   0 recs

For the record ...

... I like Matt and think he does a fine job at KSR. He is a friend of this blog and I appreciate his work.

But that doesn’t mean I agree with everything he says, or that he always says the right thing. We all sometimes mess up. I know I have.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 10, 2008 6:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and my take is..

that BCG is not perfect. He will make mistakes. Every recruit he signs will not live up to expectations and not all of them will end up being UK caliber. He may very well have been wrong on all 3 of thoe players and time will tell.

If a player to whom UK offers a scholarship does not develop and is likely to never see much playing time then it is the ethical thing to do to tell that kid he should look elsewhere if playing time is what he seeks.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jul 9, 2008 5:07 PM EDT   0 recs

But that decision ...

... should be strictly up to him.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 9, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not really...

there are many reasons to take away the scholarship offer whether the kid wants it or not. The kid may get lazy and stop working hard. He may develop a bad attitude and the coach realize he will become a liability. The kid may just end up not being very good and the best thing is not to place him under the microscope that is a major sports program.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jul 9, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The first three reasons ...

... are fine, although I have never seen them happen at Kentucky for an incoming freshman.

The last is not acceptable. If he was offered a scholarship, accepted and wants to come, whether or not he is good is irrelevant to his scholarship offer. Now, if the young man decides that he doesn’t want to ride the bench at UK, (and I am fine with the coach being honest with him about that likelihood) then perhaps both parties can come to a mutual decision.

I just don’t see that happening in these cases.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 10, 2008 6:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and..

15 and 16 year old kids are not mature enough to make decisions about college and hopefully their parents are guiding them. If it becomes obvious they don’t have the talent to play at UK then one would hope the parent realizes this (or becomes informed about it) and makes the wise choice; and he wise choice will be situational.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jul 9, 2008 5:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Non-athletes do it all the time....

Pick a college at 15 or 16. So why is the athlete not supposed to do this? They are more prepared to make this decision than we were at that age. Your right about there parents though…which is precisely what Avery, Miller, and Hood have…dads VERY involved in the process.

by jamccain on Jul 10, 2008 9:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

It’s a double-standard, no matter how you look at it.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 10, 2008 10:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and 15 yr old nonathletes are not

mature enough to make that decision either. I am not saying they should not be allowed to. It is the parents responsibility to steer the process. Selecting a college is an extremely important decision and to think a 15 year is capable of making a wise decision on his own is ridiculous.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jul 10, 2008 11:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How important is it really ...

... compared to the multitude of other decisions about whether or not to try drugs, or alcohol, or underage sex?

We are talking about accepting a free ride from a university where he is going to get a good education in return for playing basketball. How can he screw that up? As far as I know, there are no bad colleges out there offering scholarships. Not only that, the commitment in question is only a verbal that can be changed virtually on a whim if he thinks it isn’t going to work out later.

Of course, I agree with your comments about having his parents involved, I think that should be so no matter what age a young man decides. But let’s face it—the parents are more likely to be listened to before the kid gets to be old enough where he thinks he knows everything. When he gets his driver’s license, the days of thinking your parents don’ know crap really start to begin.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 10, 2008 12:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs