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Rush the Court has answered a question somewhat related to this one posited by A Sea of Blue member Mahatma.  Mahatma was asking about the perception that Rick Pitino gets players into the NBA vs. the reality.

RTC's research shows that despite being tied with Kentucky in overall draft picks, Louisville has only managed 4 draft picks in the last 14 years, which encompasses all of Rick Pitino's time there and some of Denny Crum's.  Of course, RTC goes on to point out that Louisville is currently poised to add significant numbers to the draft in the next year or two, and unless something surprising happens, that seems the high probability.

It looks as though Kentucky is poised to fall further behind UCLA and North Carolina, while possibly being positioned to make up ground on Indiana and maybe Duke (although in Duke's case, It is just about as likely to go the other way given the relative ease with which their players seem to find their way into the draft, if not actual NBA success).

I thought I would go a bit further and do some all-time analysis about players in the NBA, to more accurately address Mahatma's question:  Is the perception that Pitino gets players in the NBA more or less accurate?  And the answer, of course, is conditional.  What I have done is simply share credit for those players, and based on my analysis, this is how it looks for UK over all the years:

Historical UK NBA players by coach. Sorted most to least.
University of Kentucky
Coach NBA Players Notes
Rupp 31 Includes 4 Hall of Famers
Smith 9
Pitino 8
Sutton 4
Shared Pitino/Smith 4
Total 56

 

As you can see, Rupp leads the way in this category, but then, he coached a very long time.  Smith actually wound up getting more in the NBA if you don't count the shared players than Pitino, but then he coached longer at UK as well.  If we were to assign 50% credit to both coaches, it would wind up as 10 and 11.  Some may argue one coach or the other deserves more or less, but it just isn't that important.

How has Pitino done at Louisville?  Not very well by this measure:

Pitino: The Louisville years
University of Louisville
Coach NBA Players Notes
Pitino 2 Since he has been there

 

It's hard to argue that Pitino has been anywhere near as successful at Louisville as at UK, but he is about to raise these numbers significantly after this year, most likely.  Still, it is fairly obvious that while Pitino does get players in the NBA, he is certainly not setting the world on fire.  I haven't analyzed Ol' Roy or Coach K yet, but I'm betting both would blow Pitino out of the water.  Analyzing coaches is a bit harder given the dataset I have to work with, which comes from the excellent databaseBasketball.com.

Taking a look at history comparing Kentucky to the other schools mentioned in RTC's analysis (I didn't have the time to run the analysis for all schools, so it could be that somebody got left out that should have been included).  Here goes:

Historical NBA players, several major schools by number of players.
Total NBA Players
School Players
UCLA 72
University of North Carolina 70
University of Kentucky 66
Indiana 52
Kansas 49
Duke 49
St. Johns 48
Notre Dame 47
University of Louisville 42
Minnesota 41
Michigan 39
Ohio State 36
Arizona 36
Maryland 35
Cincinnati 30

 

In the historical measure, UK comes up looking quite competitive, only 4 behind UNC and 6 behind UCLA.  However, as I said earlier, UK is likely to lose some ground to both of them over the next year or so.  Ol' Roy is likely to put as many as six in next year, and Howland will probably put one or two more in, while Kentucky could only count on Patterson being an NBA player right now.  In a couple of years, we should be back among the top schools getting players into the Association.


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Ah, one more thing, namely, a disclaimer:  I can't vouch for the accuracy of the data, since it isn't mine.  Some other's lists apparently conflict with this, so please don't treat it as the be-all and end-all of accuracy.  There are some gray areas in any endeavor, some of which I hope to clear up in an update.

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I like using the total numbers of players in the NBA as opposed to draft picks. Schools like Duke seem to find it easy to put a player in the draft but having that player becoming a successful contributor to an NBA team is another matter entirely. Adam Morrison for example could be one of the absolute worst first round picks ever. He’s been a complete bust. Although Tubby hasnt put a ton of players in the lottery or high up in the draft he has put quite a few players into the league that have stuck and are successfully contrubting to their teams and I find that to be more important than draft picks.

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by davw83 on Jul 30, 2008 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Morrison

The Morrison example should have been a new paragraph. He is in way intended to look as if he came out of Duke. You could also use Reddick since he sucks too.

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by davw83 on Jul 30, 2008 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Good breakdown

I like having those numbers right there for easy reference.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 30, 2008 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Only Surprise On The List

Minnesota. I had no idea the Gophers produced that many NBA players. They have little (1 FF) to show for it.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 30, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

1 FF

Do they get to count it? Or was it wiped out in the academic fraud scandal a la Michigan’s two FFs in the early 90’s?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 30, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It Doesn't Count (Officially)

But UK defeated them in theor only FF appearance so I still count it.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 30, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quality not quantity..

and when the quality of NBA players is considered UK falls far short, especially the past 10 years worth of production.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jul 30, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, sure.

And now, you are going to back that statement up with facts, correct? You are going to demonstrate that the quality of Prince, Bogans, Magliore, and others are somehow less than that of Mashburn and Mercer?

Good luck with that.

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by Glenn Logan on Jul 30, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Facts?

Mashburn, Mercer, Walker, Delk, McCarty, Anderson, Padgett , Mohammed.. honestly, is there a need to even go there?

Magliore was recruited by Pitino and I believe he played two years for him (but my memory may not be correct on that). Yes Prince is very good complete player. But again, there is no question that the quality of pro players UK has put out the past several years has been poor compared to the previous several years.

So if you are going to argue that Chuck and Kelanna are somehow equal to Walker and Delk.. well good luck.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jul 30, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually... I might make that argument

Walker strung together a few good years, but honestly… Kentucky has never put the number of pros into the NBA that Carolina has (as evidenced by this).

In fact, the longest career I can think of for a Kentucky player recently would be Rex.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 31, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Magloire

1 year for Pitino. Only 1997. He split C duty with Nazr Mohammed.

He went on to play 3 more years at UK. He developed in 1999 and excelled (All-SEC) in 2000.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 31, 2008 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Delk, Walker

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tony_delk/index.html Journeyman guard in NBA.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walkean02.html Starter at F and former star, not lately.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=kentucky All UK players and their career NBA stats.

Jamal Mashburn the best of the 1990’s. Tayshaun Prince the best of the 2000’s.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 31, 2008 6:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks ...

... for saving me all that typing. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Jul 31, 2008 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

and

my point is proven once again. No shame in saying you are wrong.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jul 31, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Forty has it right.

Tay is the best of the 00’s although I think Kelenna has a chance to grow into something special. I dont think he is finished developing and with more PT I think we will see some more improvement.

Many of UK’s players since the 90’s were great in college but only fair in the NBA or they played on bad teams. Its much easier to put up good numbers on a bad team than a good one.

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by davw83 on Jul 31, 2008 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am not an NBA fan

and I care much more about how a player performs at UK than in the NBA.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Jul 31, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

and your point is what exactly

“Quality not Quantity and when the quality of NBA players is considered UK falls far short, especially the past 10 years worth of production”. MrbloodRunsBlue

Your above comment was regarding UK players success in the NBA. My comment was in regards to that statement. You cant now come back and say “yeah well im not an nba fan and I only care about how UK players play in college,” when you were just using a statement about how UK players play in the NBA to make a point. Get real man. no one takes you seriously.

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by davw83 on Aug 1, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

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