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When "No" Really Means "Maybe"

Tell me if you've heard this before:  "Well, I know they said not to do it, but they didn't mean me."

Those of you who are familiar with logic will recognize the Ad Hoc, or "faulty explanation" fallacy when you see it.  It's the argument that there is a hidden meaning in a pronouncement that makes it inapplicable in a special circumstance, and lo and behold, it always seems to exactly fit the circumstances of the one presenting the argument.

So it is with our buddy, Billy Donovan The Untouchable. Here is how he approached the problem when confronted with the fact that he ignored the NABC "strong disapproval" of accepting commitments of young players at yesterday's SEC press conference:

"I don't think you can even compare some of the situations to that one," the Florida coach said.

By comparison, Gillispie offered a scholarship to Avery after watching him play one day.

Darrin Horn, the newly-minted South Carolina coach, decided not only to defend Donovan using the ad hoc fallacy, he rebuked Billy Gillispie in the process.  Gotta give Horn credit for one thing -- being the new guy on the block didn't stop him from speaking his mind.  To wit:

South Carolina's new coach, Lexington native Darrin Horn, followed Donovan on the teleconference and agreed with the distinction the Florida coach drew.

Horn said he supported the NABC if it targeted "flippant" recruiting of younger players. But he noted how a college can develop a relationship and properly judge the talents of, say, a local player.

"That's a careful, wise thing," he called Florida's offer to a ninth-grader with a tie to the school. "Versus something flippant and off the cuff, which I think is the intent of that (NABC) suggestion."

What a hot, steaming bucket of bovine excrement.  I suppose God or Tubby Smith came down from on high and informed Horn of "the intent of that suggestion."  Oh, wait -- he is like The Mentalist or Sherlock Holmes, able to deduce the true meaning of the universe out of the tiniest of clues.  Darrin, you're in the wrong profession, son.  We need you out solving crimes or earning Nobel prizes, not coaching basketball.

Rick Stansbury then asked this question:

"Is this the Billy rule or what?" Mississippi State Coach Rick Stansbury said.

It's pretty clear that Horn thinks it is, and Donovan also -- that other "Billy," anyway.

Folks, I don't think it is necessary for me to further illustrate how absolutely ridiculous and utterly indefensible the argument Billy Donovan and Darrin Horn are making is.  They aren't just wrong, they are profoundly wrong.  The ad hoc fallacy is one of the most destructive and offensive of all, because it is the "There is an exception to every rule, and I'm it" argument. Don't buy it.  The NABC, rightly or wrongly, didn't make exceptions in their pronouncement -- it may have been wrong, but it was absolute.

Gillispie, to his credit, said this:

"I'm a company man, but I'm not going to get beat up as far as competing," Gillispie said on yesterday's Southeastern Conference basketball coaches' teleconference. "You always want to try to do what a coaches' organization which I have a lot of respect for asks you to do. But I'm not going to be sitting by the wayside while other people are getting ahead of you as far as competition is concerned."

After a pause, Gillispie added, "Interpret that however you need to."

Damn skippy. We will not be unilaterally disarming here at Kentucky, even for the Golden Boy.  If you don't like that, you can borrow my cell phone and call Miles Brand or Dick Vitale.  Maybe they'll give a crap.

Guys like Donovan and his many willing enablers in the sports media, and now the coaching ranks, really rankle me on this subject.  I am sick and tired of writing about it, but I simply cannot let this go by -- there is no way I let the coach of my school take this type of guff without comment.  Horn is young, impressionable and made a foolish comment.  I'm going to let him off the hook with the "He's young and dumb" excuse.  Donovan aught to know better.

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UPDATE 08:32 AM:  John Clay sees this as the first shot in the War of the Billys.

 

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Arrrgh!

SO MANY HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope our Billy G “comes out swinging” on the court this season and kicks all their self-righteous “I’m-the-exception-to-the-rule” butts!!!!!!!!

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 17, 2008 8:10 AM EDT   0 recs

My ...

... feelings exactly.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2008 8:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Billy G

I cant believe I ever wanter Billy D to be our coach. I am sooooo thankful that we have G instead. Give him a couple seasons and I think he will be beating D with regularity.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 17, 2008 9:15 AM EDT   0 recs

What a great quote by Gillispie!

Way to lay the smack down Clyde! I wish we could have seen his face when Horn stood up for Donovan!

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Jul 17, 2008 9:21 AM EDT   0 recs

Oh ...

... to have been a fly on the wall there.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2008 9:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Horn

I dont see why Horn would decide to throw his hat in the ring, whats in it for him other than ruffling some feathers? I wouldnt be too surprised if he was trying to “develop a relationship and properly judge the talents of, say, a local player”

by BigBlue87 on Jul 17, 2008 10:00 AM EDT   0 recs

Good point ...

... I didn’t think about it that way. We’ll see.

It never occurred to me that his defense of Donovan might be self-serving.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2008 10:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just seemed strange...

being a new coach at a bad program and going after the big boys. Guess he’s trying to make a quick name for himself.

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Jul 17, 2008 10:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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When “No” Really Means “Maybe”

I think this was Teddy Dupay’s problem as well.

Too soon?

by jc25 on Jul 17, 2008 10:33 AM EDT   0 recs

Just ...

... a bit. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2008 10:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not gonna lie...

That was exactly what I thought of when I read the topic title.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 17, 2008 12:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Horn

I go to church with Horn’s brother though I am thinking that the “house of God” may not be the best place for a “What in the world was your brother thinking,” conversation. ;)

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 17, 2008 11:26 AM EDT   0 recs

Haha!

No, probably not. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Signing Day

The Courier’s article on this being the day Billy G will finally sign his contract makes me wonder if we could have counted the last year as his ‘probationary’ period.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Todd and Barney would say, “Sorry Billy, we want to continue our seach and we wish you the best”?
Of course, that’s not going to happen. The drama will continue and you have to admit Billy G has keep the program in the spotlight.

by Paris on Jul 17, 2008 12:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Ahhh Paris

We can always count on you to keep things interesting and entirely off the current topic of conversation can’t we? I’m gonna miss you when Tru finally has enough and bans your pathetic account.

(Okay… that last part was a complete and total lie. I have no patience for people who like to cause drama merely for drama’s sake.)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 17, 2008 12:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A couple of comments.....

1. Donovan is quickly joining the ranks of Calhoun, R. Williams, M. Ksywhatthehellski and R. Knight as coaches I really, really love to hate. The sense of entitlement and arrogance being more than I can stomach.

2. kentuckygirl0724, I say go get him, you can’t tell me Jesus isn’t a Cats fan! ;-)

3. Paris, I can’t help but think you would be so much better suited to a message board dedicated to witless, pointless, comments thrown out to simply p**s off people rather than coming to a site where you are obviously outmatched in both intellect and reason. If we all asked real nicely, would you go away or does someone have to break out a rolled up newspaper?

by wldcatsfreak on Jul 17, 2008 2:02 PM EDT   0 recs

OMG!

LOL LOL LOL!

....rolled up newspaper….. :-)

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Jul 17, 2008 2:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ahhh

Final found a good use for a Herald Leader?

by BigBlue87 on Jul 17, 2008 5:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rolled up newspaper...

Indeed an excellent way to get rid of pests, whether flies, gnats or one Paris poster!

by kykat51 on Jul 17, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Right Turn,Clyde

POW!Take that media!I love the way he worded his quote,and he made it crystal clear of his future intent.Way to go,Coach G!

by -Zoso- on Jul 17, 2008 5:42 PM EDT   0 recs

Coach is no slouch...

He loves basketball and he does have a way with words when confronting the media.

I love this guy and he is so on top of all the negative crap he has confronted.

Go Coach and Cats!

by kykat51 on Jul 17, 2008 5:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Much ado about nothing.

I could care less about who any coach wants to offer a scholarship too. As far as I know, you can not actively recruit/contact kids not yet in high school (please correct me if I’m worng) but can offer scholarships to them. I agree that middle school kids should not be hounded by recruiters but if they want to sign with a school they should be able too. It is their life and their choice. As long as the coach is willing to roll the dice on a middle school kid even though we don’t how if he will pan out, then that is the coaches perogative. The Dickie V thing is troubling but that is not what am talking about. No coach should limit himself to recruiting only players of a certain age if they believe someone else can help them. USC offerred a scholarship to an eight grader a year or so ago and I didn’t care at all. It is up to the kid and his family not the fans or the media. Bottom line is that if these middle schoolers are not being hounded by recruiters (and my understanding is that coaches can not contact them) then what is the problem if they are offered a scholarship? The school offerring is the one that stands the most to lose (not the kid) because we never know how that kid will turn out.

by SevenRings on Jul 17, 2008 6:29 PM EDT   0 recs

Truz...

Same clip is here also.

by kykat51 on Jul 19, 2008 3:17 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah. I got it just a few minutes ago.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 19, 2008 3:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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