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Vitale to Big Blue Nation: What, me worry?

After the uproar following Dick Vitale's well-covered praise of Billy Donovan for offering and accepting a verbal commitment from Austin Rivers, and his scorn for Billy Gillispie for doing the same thing with Michael Avery, several fans apparently asked the Lexington Herald-Leader to look into it.

Today in his basketball notebook, Jerry Tipton called Dick Vitale and asked him about his remarks.  Vitale revised and clarified himself thus:

In a telephone call on Friday, Vitale said he opposed the recruitment of players prior to their high school junior seasons.

"I don't think it's healthy for anybody involved, whether it be Florida or Kentucky or anyone," he said.

Vitale questioned the impact a commitment can make on a young prospect. "You wonder about the desire, the hunger, how much they're going to give their best knowing they have (a commitment) in the bank," he said.

As for calling Rivers' commitment a "win-win," Vitale said he meant that any commitment, including Avery's, could potentially be a winning proposition for all involved.

But, Vitale added, "I don't think it's good for college basketball when kids (so young) commit. Any of them. I don't care who it is."

Well, there you go.  Vitale was against it before he was for it, and now he is against it again.  Hey, when you are a TV and sports commentator with a glass eye, a hyper-ebullient personality all the money and fame you can handle, credibility is really a secondary concern.  Let's face it -- nobody waits for Dickie V's insights on college basketball with bated breath.  Many people do enjoy his effusiveness calling games, however, and that's what has made him a celebrity.

In the end, the only conclusion I can draw is that Billy Donovan has been elevated by Vitale to the status of Bob Knight and Mike Krzyzewski -- off limits for critical commentary, at least coming from Dickie V.  His explanation, as anyone can see, is as lame as a three-legged racehorse and did absolutely nothing to defend whatever credibility he might actually have.  Which brings me to another point -- why would any fan in their right mind consider Vitale, an entertainer at best, credible when it comes to writing intelligent commentary about college basketball?

So Kentucky fans who were expecting an apology or at least a decent effort at a clarification from Vitale will apparently be disappointed.  For those fans who already carry a chip on their shoulder for UK's treatment in the media, this is just one more argument that Kentucky gets a bad break both locally and nationally (Having Tipton address this?  How many fans are gnashing their teeth at that fact alone?).

For the rest of us, it's probably time for a shrug and a "consider the source."  If you want intelligent and thoughtful commentary on college basketball, I'm going to suggest that Dick Vitale is probably not the place to get that.  But if you want lots of entertainment, "awesome, baybee"'s, and occasional forays into the farcical, the hypocritical and the nonsensical, there is no better source than Vitale.

Oh, and don't worry -- just to vex you further, Vitale will eventually say something nice about UK and Gillispie.  Consistency?  Who needs it?  It's McBasketball Commentary, baybee!

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Pathetic attempt at back-tracking

Even for trying to explain the comments away, it was a poor effort. Its about what I would expect I suppose.

At least it was brought to his attention by someone in the media though.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 13, 2008 10:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah ...

... well, I don’t know what the aversion in the media is to saying “Oops, I blew that one.”

Maybe that’s one more reason why blogs are becoming more and more popular.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vitale

I like the guy. But he ain’t perfect.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh ...

... in Vitale’s defense, he has a lot of company there.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2008 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just can't believe

Tipton actually did his job. People wanted clarification, and he tried to get it…WOW new concept for a journalist

by BlueBloodedCatfan on Jul 13, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vitale never a friend to UK

Dick Vitale has always had a problem with UK. The only time it was masked was when Pitino was coach. His man-love for “Slick Rick” overshadowed his distaste for all things Kentucky (Wildcats). His tirade about the Cats fans’ treatment of Tubby was not about Tubby but rather Vitale’s hatred of the Wildcats.

by BravoBigBlue on Jul 13, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not In 1980's Or 1990's

Not even in early to mid 2000’s.

Vitale has often “gushed” about UK, Rupp Arena, etc.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right...

He seems to only show love for a program when its on top, or if they play within the ACC. So, when UK was winning championships and going to the final four, he wanted on the bandwagon.

"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."

by jug on Jul 13, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is biased

I challenge you find one game, just one game, that he is commentating where he doesn’t mention dUKe or North Carolina. Hell it can be any game, and he is going to bring those two schools up. What has dUKe done the last 2 years? Why are they ranked in the top 10? Vitale is the reason. He needs to understand, that he has a lot of influence, and with that influence comes responsibility.

by BlueBloodedCatfan on Jul 13, 2008 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UNC And Duke

They are the Top 2 programs of the past 25 years in college basketball.

No surprise that both gets lots of attention nationally.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FortyYearCatFan - that's your opinion

Fine. You like Vitale. We get it. But that’s your opinion. I don’t like him, and in my opinion he is biased against Kentucky.

by BravoBigBlue on Jul 13, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Most People Like Vitale

Some don’t. But (except for a very few RECENT comments) he has always PRAISE Kentucky basketball.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I would have to agree with your comment. But, for the last year or so he has unmercifully bad-mouthed UK and the fans of the basketball program. Based on his comments, it is obvious he holds the fans responsible for “running off” Tubby Smith, hence his new attitude regarding UK.

Before the last year Vitale had been very positive in his commentary about UK, but then again he is generally a very positive person who concentrates on the good, and not the bad. Which has always been refreshing to me considering many in the national media would rather promote scandal.

This latest situation though goes beyond him just being negative. He comes off as disengenious, which for me anyway, sullies his reputation as a supposed unbiased commentator. I have always tried to not let his positive Duke bias bother me; I wrote that off as Vitale being Vitale, but I’m afraid he has shown his true colors with his latest, misguided, contradictory pronouncements.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 13, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Sure Vitale Knows (Now)

That Tubby left by his own choice and he (and his family) are quite happy with the results.

Vitale made a couple of mistakes recently. But his point is well taken. It is not good for college basketball for teams to take commitments from 15 year olds.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because you love tubby,and the rest of us, have given up on your tubbylove.UK comes first,not tubby.

by -Zoso- on Jul 13, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vitale (Clipped) Didn't Say Why

In a telephone call on Friday, Vitale said he opposed the recruitment of players prior to their high school junior seasons.

"I don’t think it’s healthy for anybody involved, whether it be Florida or Kentucky or anyone," he said.

But, Vitale added, "I don’t think it’s good for college basketball when kids (so young) commit. Any of them. I don’t care who it is."

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think...

...you meant to say that it’s your opinion that it is not good for college basketball for teams to take commitments from 15 year olds.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Jul 13, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's A Clue

When I write something, it’s my opinion (based on facts).

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh ...

... well, sometimes, anyway. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ironically

We might think you pulled a Vitale by taking him to task for a subjective statement but letting everyone get away with the same implication.

by BigBlue87 on Jul 13, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vitale

Personally I cant stand the guy and it has nothing to do with anything he says about UK,. I find him to be extremely annoying and hate watching anything he commentates on. He never says a frickin word about BASKETBALL beyond ptper and diper dandy.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 13, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vitale

“McBasketball Commentary”—Classic!

Based on his comments to Tipton, Vitale either doesn’t get it, or he doesn’t care.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 13, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering ...

... if anybody noticed. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tipton quotes Vitale as:

“Vitale dismissed fan complaints as ‘one or two people.’”

by BigBlue87 on Jul 13, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one who finds it odd ...

... that none of the guys over at KSR had a take on the Vitale situation?

by Ken Howlett on Jul 13, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I meant KentuckySportsRadio. Matt Jones' site.

I thought Cartwright’s blurb ( or short article ) did a good job of calling out Vitale, but I’ve found nothing else on the web.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 14, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I emailed Matt about it

right after I made the initial post. He replied back “Thanks Man” and that is all I heard on the issue. I would have thought he would be all over it, but guess not

by BlueBloodedCatfan on Jul 14, 2008 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool It

Vitale is a suck-up blow-hard. He’s an even bigger suck-up than Billy Reed. He sucks up to power, publicly praising, blowing hard to inflate whoever is on top at the moment. Donavan wins back to back national championships so Billy can do no wrong in Vitale’s eyes. He lauds Billy on the air and Billy takes his phone calls. And then Vitale praises Billy for talking to him. Vitale is entertaining up to a point and he has information, but he is not an analyst—nobody would mistake him for an accountant.

What Vitale says about any subject is not to be taken seriously.

The only problem with taking verbal commitments from 13-, 14- and 15- year olds is if the President of your university (Lee Todd in this case) expects you to honor them regardless of how the kids develop between the age of 13-15 and 17-18. Maybe Lee Todd doesn’t really mean it either.

If you take the kids who didn’t develop, you screw up the program. If you don’t, you are dishonest. Even though I don’t like absolute rules, everybody would be smarter to wait until a kid is 16.

All that said, I don’t have a problem with the Doc Rivers kid committing to Billy D. These are people who are very sophisticated vis a vis the game of basketball. It’s hard for anybody to second guess either Doc Rivers or Billy D. in this situation.

by Fortunatus on Jul 13, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this.

I think you’re exactly right, Fortunatus. I don’t think Vitale is biased against Kentucky at all. I don’t think he even necessarily has favorite teams. Sure, he gushes about Duke and Carolina to a sickening degree, but I don’t doubt that this is because they are the most recognizable names in the game right now, not because he actually is a fan. He is most loyal to the biggest names and the most powerful coaches, period. He drooled all over Kentucky too at the times in the recent past when we were most dominant—he’s just dropped us like a hot potato in the last couple of years. I really have no problem with that.

What I DO have a problem with is this; I agree with davw. I hate listening to Vitale, and NOT because I perceive some bias against my team. I have never in my whole sports-watching life encountered a more annoying, inane and insight-free announcer than Dick Vitale. I never loved Billy Packer either, because of his dour negativity, but at least you never doubted his knowledge of the game or at least the fact that he did in fact ANALYSE BASKETBALL. Vitale does nothing of the sort-he doesn’t even pretend to. He substitutes anything even resembling the discussion of the game of basketball with the repetition of ridiculous childish catchphrases at highest volume. PTPer, diaper dandy, baybee…when it comes to contribution to the language, Shakespeare he ain’t. His enthusisam is nice, sure, but let’s back it up with a bit of brains, shall we? It dismays me that most of the good games that are broadcast are called by him-I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that anyone over the age of 10 can find him at all interesting to listen to.

At the same time, I should say I mean no offense to those who DO like him! To each his own-I personally LOVE Bill Rafttery and I know some people don’t like him since he’s totally goofy and has his share of catchphrases too-I just prefer his borderline pervy, boozy charm to Vitale childishness.

by blue kentucky girl on Jul 14, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh goodness

I was hoping no one would bring up Raftery. Seems like a nice guy, but he sounds like such a dweeb with his catchphrases. As you said, though, to each his own. One of my favorite basketball commentators (though he rarely does college hoops) is the master of hyperbole himself, Bill Walton! Actually, Walton, Raftery, and Vitale aren’t all that dissimilar, though. They’re more for entertainment than actual analysis.

by Acdixon on Jul 14, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why its called

“Color Commentary” I suppose

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 14, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh goodness, indeed!

Truly, to each his own. I absolutely cannot stand Bill Walton. I mean, I have to, like, turn the channel if he’s calling a game—or else leave the room if my husband won’t let me switch off that game. My husband groans every time we see him on tv because he knows a rant by me is upcoming. Thank the lord I rarely come across him doing college games and I don’t really care about the NBA anyway. I would hate for him to ruin my favorite sport for me! Oh, his whiny, grating voice…seriously, I’m getting all pissy just thinking about it.

Agreed, there really isn’t a great deal of difference in the substance of these three announcers—they’re all in the entertainer model rather than the “serious basketball analyst” (more like Packer or Bilas I guess). They just have different styles, and your preferred style is just a matter of taste.

How boring the world would be if we all liked and hated the same things, right? : )

by blue kentucky girl on Jul 14, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why...

but “borderline pervy, boozy charm” made me chuckle as I read that!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 14, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahh, thanks

I aim to please : )

Guess I just have a weakness for those announcers who seem more off the cuff and are at times a bit inappropriate. I always enjoyed Rick Majerus for that reason too, although his pervy-ness went well beyond “borderline.”

by blue kentucky girl on Jul 14, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a shame...

Kirk Herbstreet, Corso, and Fowler do not do college basketball. Corso is a little crazy sometimes but I think they are the least biased team of commentators out there. Also, when it comes to doing the research and usually being on the money, Herbstreet is hard to beat.

Wouldn't it be great if basketball had more people in the booth like that, most games would be a lot easier to stomach.

by wldcatsfreak on Jul 14, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, yes,

Kirk Herbstreet - One of the few reasons I actually watch college football (not really a huge college football fan). Oh, yeah, and in addition to being a decent analyst, I find him pretty easy on the eyes also - I’m a sucker for the big blue sparklers (eyes) he has. If you are into that sort of thing of course. : )

by BigSkyCat on Jul 14, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'll have to forgive me ...

... but no. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 14, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay.

Since you went there first, BigSkyCat….my dirty little secret is that I think Doug Gottlieb is sooooo cute. Can’t actually stand him, but if he would never, ever talk, I’d have a major crush.

I don’t ever watch college football, so I had to google Kirk Herbstreit. Without ever hearing him speak and going on nothing more than photos…oh yeah, he should totally switch to basketball : )

by blue kentucky girl on Jul 15, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off-balance

Can I just mention Anna Kournikova to balance out this conversation a little? Thanks. ;)

by Acdixon on Jul 15, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kournikova is entirely off the subject

She’s not a commentator…

Now if you want to talk Rachel Nichols, Suzy Kolber, Erin Andrews, or heck, even Linda Cohn… I’m in. (Mmmmm… Erin Andrews.)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 15, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andrews

Has the whole icky Gator thing going on. Plus, she was manhandled by Bruce Pearl, so she needs to be disinfected. LOL

Nichols, on the other hand… I was wondering if I was the only one who thought she was hot.

by Acdixon on Jul 16, 2008 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nichols

No, sir. I’ve had quite the crush on Nichols for quite some time now.

And Andrews is so hot even the Pearl germs and Gator infestation are out-weighed by her smoking hot appeal.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 16, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

This took an entirely different direction that I expected. :)

That being said, Nichols and Andrews could call Tiawanese coachroach races and I would tune in!

Cohn, not so much.

by wldcatsfreak on Jul 15, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Taiwanese cockroach races called by Nichols and Andrews...

Yeah… umm… what time was that on again? I’m in.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 15, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vitale

From what I have read, Vitale has contradicted himself re the recruiting issue. However, I like Vitale and, from personal experience, know him to be a very thoughtful, caring, and compassionate individual who absolutely loves college basketball. While some may perceive him as pro-Donovan, let’s not forget that, just last year, he publicly criticized Donovan for his Orlando Magic flip-flop. I am not saying that Vitale is right (or even tolerable) all of the time, but I know with absolute certainty that he is a good person who cares a lot about the game we love.

Just my humble opinion.

by tooblue on Jul 16, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Donovan ...

... should have been criticized by everybody for his flip-flop. That doesn’t get Vitale off the hook here, nor change the perception that he hearts Billy D.

I don’t hate Vitale. Generally speaking, he has been good for college basketball and is a generous man. But in the instant case, he looks like a hypocrite.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 17, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: tooblue

Thanks for balancing out the anti-Vitale sentiment present in Kentucky, especially recently.

As I noted, I have always like Vitale, even though he can be a bit verbose on matters that do not pertain to the game he is calling.

He is though, as you state, known as a genuinely nice guy, with a charitable heart, and for that he is to be commended.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 17, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN Hottie

I dont know his name but he was “stat boy” on PTI and I think he started hosting Around the Horn. He is HOTT! Any help with the name?

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 16, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Reali

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Reali

He’s a few months younger than me… always stirs little feelings of jealousy inside me when I see things like that!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jul 16, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

every thread?

why am i reading this in every thread?

plus it’s from espn insiders, so i’m not sure we should be putting it up, since it comes from a pay site.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Jul 19, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not Pay (Free)

That’s how I read it.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 19, 2008 12:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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