Dick Vitale: Ethics Dunce
First of all, I want to recognize the outstanding job done by BlueBloodedCatFan in finding and commenting on this story. So we shall begin this post by reposting BBCF's FanPost in its entirety:
I know this has been talked about at length on this site, but this article came out yesterday. Dick Vitale is amazing
He can flat-out recruit … he's a salesman deluxe, baby! You'd better believe his reputation helps as players have an incredible desire to compete for him. It is a great asset in the recruiting wars.
While I won't argue against that statement, this is what got me riled up
Recently he received a verbal commitment from Doc Rivers' son, Austin, to attend Florida. That's right, the same Doc Rivers who stood tall with the gold trophy as the Celtics responded from a disastrous season in 2006-07 to capture the NBA championship in 2007-08! Austin, at age 15, is a future PTPer.
He goes on to say
It is a win-win situation for the Gators, the Rivers family, and a young man who gets to play for a coach that relates well to the modern-day athlete.
Here is what he had to say about Avery
I'll tell you what is next. We are going to have some coach looking at a great athlete who just produced a child. The coach can go to the nursery, check out a true diaper dandy, look at the size of his feet and offer him a scholarship! Yes, I am just kidding, but you have to wonder to what lengths people will go to recruit!
Think about what can happen for an eighth grader between now and college. It is five years, but the kid has lock city with a firm offer of a scholarship. Gillispie made the offer, but I don't think it is healthy and good for college basketball.
And concludes with this
Kentucky got a lot of headlines out of the Avery story. The bottom line is that this is not good for the game.
Once again, another biased article at ESPN. Didn't that NABC ask coaches not to do this? A little less than 2 weeks later, Billy Donovan spits in their eye. wasn't it just a few weeks ago Kentucky caught so much grief after accepting a commitment from a 15 year old Michael Avery? A little Biased here don't you think? Serious, why is Gillispie the sinful one that is now making the NCAA thinking about changing the rules, and the other Billy praised as the golden child?
BlueBloodedCatFan has it exactly right. Dick Vitale essentially accused Gillispie of conduct detrimental to college basketball, which in my judgment book is the same thing as calling his ethics into question. Yet in his most recent article, Vitale praises Billy Donovan for the EXACT SAME BEHAVIOR.
Taken in isolation, this would just make Vitale guilty of either blatant hypocrisy or simple cluelessness that the two young men were exactly the same age (15 years old). The fact that Avery is one grade behind Rivers is utterly irrelevant, and any attempt to explain otherwise is a complete abdication of logic and reason.
As I pontificated in this earlier post, nowhere in America do we base a judgment of majority or experience on the grade one attained in school -- middle, high, college or post-graduate. One is presumed to have attained the necessary life experience to do most things at 18 years, and virtually everything including vice at 21 years (except run for a Senate seat or the Presidency -- that minimum is 35 and there is no required educational attainment). In other words, if there is a 21 year-old high school sophomore out there, he can get just as drunk as a skunk without any reasonable fear of opprobrium.
So it is also with Michael Avery, and with Austin Rivers. The two young men are the same age, and have had the same amount of time to accumulate knowledge and experience. If it is unethical or harmful for Gillispie to recruit a 15-year old, ad oculos, it is equally harmful for Donovan to do so.
If that were the end of it, we could say that perhaps Vitale was merely guilty of a failure to do proper research. We all make mistakes -- I recently mistakenly identified Sylvester Croom as the head coach of Ole Miss rather than Mississippi State -- and usually, all that should be expected of such an error is to note it to your readers and apologize to those offended.
Unfortunately, Dick Vitale has made the unforgiveable additional mistake of praising Donovan's actions even after the NABC "strongly dissapproved" of accepting commitments from recruits as young as Avery and Rivers. Vitale is not only guilty of moral relativism and hypocrisy, he completely failed to issue even the mildest reproof to Donovan for ignoring the NABC, something Gillispie did not do. It's careless, but understandable, if Vitale didn't know that Avery was the same age as Rivers. It is incomprehensible that he forgot about the NABC disapproval of the practice.
How can Vitale recover from this cataclysmic faux pas? I have no idea. Kentucky fans are not going to forgive him for looking incredibly biased and hypocritical. Certainly an apology would be a fine place to start, and if he abases himself sufficiently for his abject tomfoolery, I'll probably forgive him.
But I have a feeling I may well be in the minority. This one looks like a bridge too far for most in the Big Blue Nation.

UPDATE 05:53 PM:
I just found this:
In 2000, Vitale was recognized with the NABC Cliff Wells Appreciation Award for outstanding service to the college basketball coaching community and college basketball in general.
I wonder if, given Vitale's snub, the NABC will be wanting this back. :-)
UPDATE Saturday, July 12 2008 12:29 AM: Darell Cartwright at Scout.com has a few thoughts about Vitale -- pretty much along the same lines as ours.
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Effigy
I say we burn an eiffgy of him outside ESPN’s offices.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Jul 11, 2008 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hehe ...
... I imagine we will see a YouTube of that shortly.
Or maybe a “This is why you suck” video. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 11, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simply Outrageous!!!!
nice article Tru.
by SevenRings on Jul 11, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
21 year-old high school sophomore
I swear there was one of those on a JV team from Meade County I watched play not all that long ago… ;-)
In all seriousness, I have been harping on this thing all day long to anyone who would listen ever since I saw BlueBlooded’s fan post this morning. I lost all my enjoyment for Dickie V around the same time I stopped wearing my Michael Jordan underwear and my Bo Jackson poster faded into tatters… as an adult now I demand at least a modicum of rational analysis from my sports “journalists.” Vitale fails to provide even that.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jul 11, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh ...
... yeah, if you are looking for rationality, Vitale should not be at the top of anyone’s list.
Still, I like his effulgent personality sometimes, except when he goes completely over the top. This is one of those times when his effulgence has gotten him in hot water, and justifiably so. I doubt if even Billy Donovan would agree with him taking his previous comments into consideration.
No clue how he gets out of this.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 11, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liggins
He was 18 year old HS soph here in Chicago back in 2006.
He’ll be a 21 year old college (maybe) frosh in 2009.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 12, 2008 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah ...
... I think that’s right. That would have made him 16 as an eighth-grader.
Wonder if Vitale would think that was too young for Gillispie to accept a commitment from?
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 12, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truzenzuzex
Not sure if mlmintampa is being sarcastic or charitable but you and A Sea of Blue got a few mentions on the Florida Gator site (of SB Nation) called Alligator Army. You be the judge…
Too Young To Know?
by mlmintampa on Jul 7, 2008 8:24 AM EDT in Basketball
A Sea of Blue has the best college basketball coverage on the interwebs, so it is no surprise that they would find controversy in a story that mostly flew under the radar.
From Tru – In my earlier article about Florida coach Billy Donovan’s acceptance of Austin Rivers’ commitment to the Gators in apparent disdain of the recent NABC strong discouragement of such a practice, I asked if we would hear Donovan similarly criticized, or silence. That question has been emphatically answered, at least as of 3 days into the affair. Not one article has appeared as of this writing anywhere that is the least bit critical of Donovan. But articles have appeared apparently casting Donovan as a victim of Gillispie’s actions.
While A Sea of Blue is flame throwing, to not be confused. His anger with the situation is not that Donovan signed Austin Rivers, but that it was no big deal. When Billy Gillispie does it, he gets attacked. Gillispie gets the firing squad of the NCAA, the National Association of Basketball Coaches, and anyone with a keyboard. Donovan can avoid all that, probably because of those two banners he has hanging in the O’Connell Center. Rivers’ sister plays volleyball at UF too. Had he just been a normal kid, as A Sea of Blue points out, this is no big deal. But 15 year olds who can attract the attention of college coaches and strange men with digital cameras are not normal kids. The NABC’s reaction to the Gillispie signings could also be due to when it happened. Had it happened this past weekend, a historically terrible week for news coverage, maybe no one notices.
I cannot begin to dream of being as good of a basketball writer as Truzenzuzex, so I defer to him as the expert on this. But is signing young kids, non binding of course, really a bad thing? Coaches are smart enough to know what 15 year olds deserve scholarships and which ones will honor them. If that happens though, these kids cannot be harassed by other coaches, handlers, AAU coaches, and those strange men with digital cameras that haunt message boards. Kids who are mature enough to know where they are going to college when they are young would kill that industry. As much as we like to believe college sports is a clean game, it isn’t. Coaches and their surrogates don’t drop off bags of money anymore, but if you think finally choosing a school at the end of a long recruiting battle ends the story, you need to learn about high school athletes. The leeches who try to suck money and attention out of high school kids when they declare (similar to the “agents” following young Dominican baseball players or O.J. Mayo’s people) need to be erased. Maybe the NABC is so far up their high horse that they can’t see the garbage on the ground. They are the enablers here. Donovan and Gillispie might have done these kids a favor. Rivers won’t be getting text messages in the middle of the night from Rivals and Scout writers, and that’s a good thing.
by SevenRings on Jul 11, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it was up a few days ago...
I mistakenly took mlm as mini, and a woman, lol. I am still very embarrassed about that. Need to wear my glasses when on the computer :-)
HE had a nice commentary on the whole thing.
by kykat51 on Jul 11, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OOPS
somehow I missed that on ASOB.
thanks
by SevenRings on Jul 11, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There has been so much here lately...
Probably scrolled away.
by kykat51 on Jul 11, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vitale...
I personally have never liked the guy. Anytime he would be a commentator on any UK game and it was on the radio, I would turn down the volume on the TV and listen to the UK broadcast on the radio
His article is not surprising to me in the least bit, I am just wondering why he waited a week to do it.
As one comment on the ESPN board noted….maybe he is experiencing Alzies, but I do think he owes the BBN and all his readers an explanation for his very apparent hypocrisy on this early recruitment issue.
by kykat51 on Jul 11, 2008 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW
Funny thing was, I only wrote the first half of the article early this morning on the first cup of coffee more as a joke. During the second cup, my brain woke up and remembered that he blasted UK for the same thing. That’s when I got a little ticked. Didn’t realize it would get this much attention LOL As always Tru, you have a better way with words. I agree 100% with what you said. The word is out there, so I think Vitale has no choice but to come out with an outright apology or some sort of explanation or face the wrath of the BBN when he graces us with his presence at Rupp for whatever game they show up for this year.
by BlueBloodedCatfan on Jul 11, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh ...
... I’ll be surprised if Vitale apologizes, although he certainly should at least revise and extend his remarks.
You deserve all the credit for picking this up. I just added my $0.02 worth because it was fertile ground, just begging to be plowed. ;-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 12, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
But you have a great knack….... I don’t know what you do for a living, but you should really be a beat writer
by BlueBloodedCatfan on Jul 12, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos BBCF...
For awakening… and remembering…now that is a feat!
by kykat51 on Jul 11, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering
How much I drank the night before…. LOL
by BlueBloodedCatfan on Jul 11, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dick Vitale
Needs to retire. You’ve had a good run buddy, but just because your 98 years old, you don’t get a free pass to hate on UK. He and Billy Packer and their anti-Kentucky biases need to DIAF.
"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."
by jug on Jul 12, 2008 12:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey
I was a braves fan…when braves fan wasn’t cool LOL
by BlueBloodedCatfan on Jul 12, 2008 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is starting to be uncool again!
We’ve definitely had better seasons than this one. I’m just hoping we can muster up some momentum after the All-Star break and make a run. We’ll see!
"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."
by jug on Jul 12, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's great...
to see this story picking up some steam! The fact that it seems people outside the BBN are taking notice of vitale’s double standard its actually more surprising than vitale making those statements.
Anyone believe a heartfelt apology will be forthcoming anytime soon?
BlueBloodedCatfan…..you rock, keep downing those adult beveridges in the pm and bangin’ on vitale the next morning!
by wldcatsfreak on Jul 12, 2008 6:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vitale Replies In Tipton LHL Column Today
(Clipped) Vitale’s views
Some UK fans saw an inconsistency, at best, and, at worse, bald-faced bias.
Commentator Dick Vitale decried eighth-grader Michael Avery’s commitment to Kentucky. In a blog posted on May 7, Vitale wrote, "You have to wonder to what length people will go to recruit! ... Kentucky got a lot of headlines out of the Avery story. The bottom line is that this is not good for the game."
Yet when Florida got a commitment from Austin Rivers, who just completed the ninth grade, Vitale cheered. In a blog dated July 10, he wrote, "It’s a win-win situation for the Gators, the Rivers family and the young man who gets to play for a coach that relates well to the modern-day athlete."
Several UK fans wrote e-mail messages challenging the newspaper to ask Vitale about his bad-for-the-goose, good-for-the-gander view.
In a telephone call on Friday, Vitale said he opposed the recruitment of players prior to their high school junior seasons.
"I don’t think it’s healthy for anybody involved, whether it be Florida or Kentucky or anyone," he said.
Vitale questioned the impact a commitment can make on a young prospect. "You wonder about the desire, the hunger, how much they’re going to give their best knowing they have (a commitment) in the bank," he said.
As for calling Rivers’ commitment a "win-win," Vitale said he meant that any commitment, including Avery’s, could potentially be a winning proposition for all involved.
But, Vitale added, "I don’t think it’s good for college basketball when kids (so young) commit. Any of them. I don’t care who it is."
Vitale dismissed fan complaints as "one or two people."
"You can’t please everybody," he said. "I’m going to try to please my wife, and that’s tough."
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2008 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you have a link
I was looking online and couldn’t find it. I did email Jerry Tipton on Thursday asking him to look into it. Surprised he did
by BlueBloodedCatfan on Jul 13, 2008 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask and ye shall receive...
http://www.kentucky.com/276/story/459502.html
Its about halfway down the column.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jul 13, 2008 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have ...
... new commentary up on that piece now.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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