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The KHSAA and Dakotah Euton

OK, so I am crusading a bit here.  But I think it is a worthy crusade.

After the "clarification" by the Kentucky High School Athletic Association and my associated tirade, I decided it was time to take a look at the facts, and see if all this outrage is justified.

My findings were enlightening, and a little bit surprising.  The KHSAA website, unfortunately, is poorly done and the most important links seem to be broken, but I was still able to locate all the relevant documents by going around the main page.

First, let's evaluate the question:  Was Euton's declaration of ineligibility the right ruling by Commissioner Brigid DeVries?  That question requires us to look at what the powers of the Commissioner are, and the constraints placed upon her by the rules of the KHSAA.

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  • The powers of the commissioner are defined in the KHSAA's constitution.  Essentially, the Commissioner is the CEO of the KHSAA, and has the independent authority to interpret the constitution, bylaws and regulations.  Ruling on Euton's eligibility is within her constitutional purview.
  • The rule at issue is Rule 6, known as the Transfer Rule.  The relevant part of this rule is as follows:

    "The Commissioner has discretion (but is not required) to waive the period of ineligibility set forth above if one of the following exceptions has been met. Determinations of whether a student shall be granted a waiver pursuant to this rule shall be based on the circumstances existing as of the date of enrollment at the new school. The KHSAA shall not recognize as grounds for a waiver of the period of ineligibility an argument that the educational needs of the transferring students would be better served through a transfer."

    The exceptions that the rule talks about are, generally:
    1. Bona fide change in residence;
    2. Divorce;
    3. Guardianship/change of custody;
    4. Death;
    5. Boarding schools;
    6. Non-athletic participation for an entire year;
    7. Reassignment by the Board of Education;
    8. Transfer from a non-member school.
    • There is also exceptions to any of the exceptions, and the one applicable to Euton because of his father's media comments is:

      "Satisfying of one of the exceptions (a through h) will not be considered valid and a waiver of the period of ineligibility shall not be granted— ...

      3) If the change in schools is motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics at the new school; ..."
  • Finally, the Due Process Procedure of the KHSAA sets forth guidelines for the Commissioner to restore eligibility under section 3, "Commissioner's authority to rule":

    "The Commissioner is also empowered to restore the eligibility of students or other participants who do not meet the provisions of KHSAA Bylaw 2 (Physician’s Certificate), 4 (Enrollment), 5 Minimum Academic Requirement), 6 (Transfer Rule), 7 (Conduct), 8  Contestant on Other Teams, Post Season and All-Star Games), 9 (Other Eligibility Requirements and Regulations), Bylaw 10 (Recruitment), or 12 (Awards). Such restoration may only be granted in cases where strict application of the applicable bylaw is unfair to the student athlete and the circumstances creating the ineligibility are clearly beyond the control of all of the parties involved. [Emphasis mine]"

Did Euton's transfer meet the threshold above?  I say yes.  It goes without saying that stict aplication is unfair to the student athlete -- he had no say in his father's employment.  Was it "clearly beyond the control of the parties?"  Surely, to the extent that Euton and his father's loss of employment was beyond their control.

So the question becomes, was the Commissioner's ruling within the constraints of the bylaws and due process requirements?  Well, I think you can make a narrow and rather unreasonable case that it is.  Essentially, Bylaw 6 makes all transfers ineligible by default, and then establish exceptions to that, and then establishes exceptions to the exceptions.  DeVries, by her "clarification," is clearly relying on exeption to the exceptions 3) quoted above -- Euton's father, Clay Euton, indicated in the media that the athletic program at Scott County was a factor in his decision of where to become employed.

But is that what the "exception to the exception" really says?  I say no.  Euton's transfer is motivated by the fact that his parents are changing residence to Scott County.  If Clay Euton had decided to move based purely on Scott County's athletic prominence, perhaps this exception would apply, but that is clearly not the case.  When faced with unemployment, Euton had only one really relevant decision -- where to find new employment.  He chose Scott County, and that choice may well have been partially influenced by its athletic program, according to his public utterances.

But what is a man to do?  Is the KHSAA effectively saying that you must chose your job at random?  Are they saying that the athletic program of a school cannot be a factor in a decision about where to move your family, and if it is, you must keep quiet about it?  If Euton had kept his mouth shut, would that have lead to the eligibility of Euton, and if so, would anything be different?  The KHSAA appear to be engaging in what is essentially a paralogical attempt to punish a child for public utterances by their adult parents that are neither violative of law or of any sort of public decency, and for no rational purpose.

My supposition is that instead, exception to the exception 3) (does anyone but me find "exceptions to the exception" part of the problem?) was designed to prevent a deliberate move crafted to circumvent Bylaw 6 and trigger exception 1, which is clearly not the case here.  Euton's father had a choice, and if the rule were to apply as DeVries has apparently invoked it, no family with an athlete could ever transfer to a school with a good athletic program for any reason, period.  How could an improvement in athletic circumstances of their athlete progeny not enter into a parent's decision, if there are multiple choices available?  Is the KHSAA really trying to tell us that the mere consideration of a high school athletic program's merits for their children is grounds for ineligibility?

So in spite of a generally favorable analysis and lots of excuses, it is clear that DeVries is doing exactly what I and others have accused her of and the KHSAA by extension -- an arbitrary and hyper-technical reading of the rules, which are pretty bad to begin with.

While I am at it, I also want to dispose of another question which has raised the ire of many -- that of the applicability of a judicial order.  The Rules of Due Process of the KHSAA states, in relevant part:

12. Judicial Review
Final orders of the Board of Control shall be subject to judicial review in accordance with KRS Chapter 13B. A party shall institute an appeal by filing a petition in the appropriate Circuit Court within thirty (30) days after the final order is mailed or delivered by personal service. A party may file a petition for judicial review only after the party has exhausted all administrative remedies available within this procedure.

This particular provision appears to be unenforceable.  Courts in Kentucky and the United States (which could come into play for an interstate or international transfer) are not required to abide by the jurisdictional desires of organizations like the KHSAA.  They may impose review on any decision at any time, regardless of the rules of the Association establishes -- just channel Chief Justice John Marshall.

But with that said, the Herald-Leader has implied that the KHSAA has asked member institutions not to obey judicial orders.  That may not actually be the case.  For instance, if a judge rules a player eligible, that does not require the school to allow him to play.  That is a decision the school can make if it wants, but then the KHSAA is certainly within their rights to sanction that school if the order is overturned later.  That's because the KHSAA is a "voluntary" organization.

On the other hand, if a judge orders a player to be allowed to play without addressing the eligibility issue, the KHSAA is not within their rights to ask the school not to play him -- it would be grounds for a contempt of court citation. 

There is a fine line here that needs to be clarified, though.  The KHSAA should not be using the threat of later punishiment to circumvent a judicial finding in conflict with their own.  It is a form of ethical cluelessness that cannot be explained away as DeVries does, by invoking "fair[ness] to other teams" and the fact that the Tennesse and Indiana HSAA's also do it (for my money, that's just two more reasons why Kentucky should not).  DeVries' comments were patent nonsense, and should have been rejected out of hand by the Board of Education.

In summary, even though the KHSAA has an excuse that meets the bare threshold of plausibility for declaring Euton ineligible if we just read the words and toss reason to the four winds, the reality is that they are engaging in exactly the sort of autocratic behavior that the Herald-Leader has highlighted, and that they are under criticism for.  Change is needed, and that right soon.

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Clear As Mud

All the exceptions and exceptions to exceptions make it really easy for the Commissioner to do whatever the hell they want.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 19, 2008 12:57 PM EDT   0 recs

Indeed.

The rules are very poorly written, and some just don’t make sense.

This is what happens when educators decide that athletics doesn’t matter. They do. It is a fact of life that many academics reject out of pure hubris and spite.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 19, 2008 1:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the rules themselves need to be challenged...

not just the interpretation. So what if he picked the school because of the basketball program? When families move to new cities they pick their neighborhoods based on the schools that are nearby. What if he chose Scott co. for their academics rather than athletics, would that be ok? Parents have the right to put their child in a school that gives them the best chance to succeed, be it academics, athletics, arts, etc…

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Jun 19, 2008 1:51 PM EDT   0 recs

That's the idea ...

... They can choose based on academics, but athletics may not even enter the darkest corners of their consciousness.

Talk about living in fantasy.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 19, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Seems pretty discriminatory to me to favor academics.

Some kids are smart, some are creative, others are athletic. Each one should be allowed to develop their unique talents where his/her parents see fit until they reach 18.

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Jun 19, 2008 2:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Zollo?

Is this same problem going to pop up with Zollo coming from Ohio? Or is this just within Ky transfers only?

by kykat51 on Jun 19, 2008 2:35 PM EDT   0 recs

No.

If Zollo transfers, he can expect to suffer the same process.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 19, 2008 2:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks...

but it does not seem fair.

by kykat51 on Jun 19, 2008 2:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Arbitrary ...

... is the watchword of the KHSAA.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 19, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

KHSAA

Although the KHSAA has work to do in order to clean up the language of the applicable statutes, which was expertly pointed out by Tru in his piece, I still feel that the groundwork for such convoluted wording and exceptions to exceptions is the KHSAA’s attempt to thwart recruiting. Recruiting which has been rampant for the last many years.

Afterall it seems odd, no very odd and suspicious, that two of the best high school basketball players in the state of Kentucky would desire to transfer to the same school … a couple hundred of miles away from their current residence. Are those decisions the result of recruiting? I don’t know, but it is certainly cause for a raised eyebrow or two.

I personally don’t care where Euton and Jackson play their high school ball, but in fairness to the other competitors in the 11th Region, as well as the two players themselves, a full and complete investigation needs to be completed before eligibility is granted.

This entire situation smells, and it ain’t sweet.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 19, 2008 2:46 PM EDT   0 recs

If there has been recruiting done ...

... that is one thing. But Euton’s case doesn’t seem to smell at all. As far as Jackson is concerned, I don’t know.

I support the efforts of the KHSAA to stop recruiting and transfers just for sports reasons. But when the breadwinner loses his/her job, there should be a presumption of eligibility rather than ineligibility, regardless of what the family thinks about the athletic program. When you start trying to figure out if athletics was a “partial motivation,” you have reached the point of becoming the thought police.

The fact of Clay Euton’s job loss should override any other factors in his decision unless some Scott County booster is illegitimately employing him just to get his son there, and that burden of proof should be on the KHSAA, not on the Eutons.

The Jackson situation may be different, and I am not able to speak to that since the facts are not known to me yet.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 19, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Shift the burden

Currently the KHSAA declares all transfers ineligible to play unless certain conditions are met. Then the KHSAA can declare them eligible. The burden of proof is upon the school or family. The situation should be reversed: the transfer should be automatically legitimate unless a competing school can show evidence that recruiting had taken place. Then there would be an investigation and finding, but in the meantime the kid plays. The system should be biased in favor of a kid playing.

The system should also punish adults who recruit: The KHSAA should have the legal authority to certify coaches, any coach who violates rules can be decertified and thus ineligible to coach in KHSAA competition. Recruiting by principals should be grounds for decertification by the Kentucky Professional Standards Board.

The system now - which has been constructed by coaches, principals and superintendents - punishes children and families, but lets coaches, principals and superintendents go Scott free.

I remember when Leonard Wollums, superintendent of a little independent school district in far eastern Kentucky, suddenly got a job as an education professor at Eastern Kentucky State College. His son Jerry just happened to enroll at Madison Model, which just happened to be coached by Roy Kidd, probably Eastern’s most celebrated football player at that point in history. Who made what kinds of decisions in this situation and for what reasons, I don’t know, but unless Kidd pressured Eastern to hire Wollums as a professor, there should have been no problem.

In the Euton case, it should make no difference whether the senior Euton lost his job or not. The only thing that should matter is that the Euton family actually moved its legal residence from a school district in Boyd County to Scott County. If young Euton is legally eligible to attend school in Scott County then he should be allowed to attend school and participate in athletics. Unless objectors can show that Scott County school officials offered inducements of some sort. If they did, they should be punished, but Dakota Euton should not. Ditto for Jackson.

With reference to Zollo, Clark County is in a precarious position; his mother is apparently seeking employment as a teacher there. Is that an inducement? Is she shopping the kid around to get herself a job? Should the KHSAA require her to teach in one district and her son to play in another?

Back in the day, UK had University High for the kids of faculty members and the Lexington in-crowd. It was run by the Education Department at UK. That’s where Herky Rupp played high school basketball. Maybe we need an athletic/academic prep school somewhere in the state (how about the old Millersburg campus) to take these young kids we are recruiting and get them ready for UK. Liggins could have benefited.

The bottom line is that kids should not be punished or denied opportunities because of actions by adults, whether those adults are their parents or “professional educators.”

by Fortunatus on Jun 19, 2008 9:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great ....

... comment. Great.

Very thoughtful and I think right on the mark.

It never ceases to amaze me how many “voluntary” organizations reject the standards of jurisprudence set down by the founders of this country - innocent until proven guilty, due process, rights that presume a person’s intent to be blameless unless demonstrated otherwise - most of these most basic concepts are rejected by associations and organizations and replaced with the converse.

Why? Simple. It is much easier. Criticism can be deflected by pointing to the rules and claiming helplessness before them. No accountability. No actual due process. No worries.

No justice.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 20, 2008 6:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Let this be a lesson...

...for others who are transferring. The reason for the transfer is ALWAYS based upon academics, and nothing else. So, if anyone asks, lie your ass off and say “I like Scott Co. because I heard some good things about their academic program”.

Stupid bureaucratic fools.

by Playa Cat on Jun 19, 2008 3:39 PM EDT   0 recs

Hopefully Zollo's mother...

as a teacher knows this ahead of time. She is one smart lady and hopefully she realizes all this crap with the KHSAA through the years with transfers.

by kykat51 on Jun 19, 2008 6:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One of the things that smells to me is the fact that BOTH players desired to attend Scott Co.

I am not taking up for the KHSAA, at all. I still can’t believe that they issued an inaccurate press release regarding Jackson’s eligibility. Obviously they need some form of checks and balances.

My only point is that the schools have brought this mess upon themselves. Yes, the KHSAA has probably overreacted via their incomprehensible statutes and exceptions, but I also feel that they are being sensitive to competitive fairness.

The whole “lost job” aspect of the scenario is also part and parcel of why this thing stinks to high heaven. The “lost job”, “found job” component follows the “how to circumvent the rules” handbook, which has been followed for many years now. Mr. Euton may have legitimately lost his job, and if that’s so, I am sorry for him and his family. But one has to keep in mind that over the years many of the best athletes parents have lost an inordinate amount of jobs, and miraculously found new jobs in locales where whispers of recruiting have been present for many years.

Of course determining if recruiting has taken place in this particular instance is up to the KHSAA, as Tru notes. The problem is so rampant, the KHSAA should have an investigatory branch which concentrates soley on investigating the transfer of athletes.

Of course, if some administrator and coaches had any integrity at all (you know who you are) this would not be an issue.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 19, 2008 3:44 PM EDT   0 recs

Competitive Fairness

This kinda brings me to my point I made in a previous post. I dont believe the transfers coming into Scott Co are giving them an unfair advantage. Scott Co has had a very good program for a number of years but they are hardly dominating their region. While recruiting does occur often I dont think any school in Kentucky has been so successfull with it that it has yet to really make the competition unfair. Plenty of schools in Scott co’s region are highly competitive statewide and will give Scott Co all they can handle.

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by davw83 on Jun 19, 2008 4:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bigger issue in Football IMO

I havn’t noticed a major issue in the basketball world. Football with St. X and Trinity having their pick of the litter does concern me a bit.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 19, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: davw

If a player is recruited into any school, then that school has gained an unfair advantage.

”... I don’t think any school in Kentucky has been so successful with it that it has yet to really make competition unfair.”—I feel one of the reasons the KHSAA is handling this situation the way it is, is because of Scott Co.’s alleged recruiting since Hicks arrived. There are both girls and boys basketball programs in eastern Kentucky that have made a living out of recruiting players from other counties. It’s been going on for a very long time.

Recruiting players is a large part of the culture of Kentucky high school athletics. The KHSAA is just now beginning to give a damn. They are experiencing “growing pains” if you will, and I expect the backlash to be severe, especially if they continue to issue assinine, incorrect statements. I do wish them luck in cleaning up was has been a longstanding mess, but I have my doubts about how competently they can execute enforcement.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 19, 2008 6:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Life is unfair

My personal opinion is that if a program has not gained such an advantage that they totally dominate the sport it doesnt neef the detail it’s currently receiving. Life is unfair. People need to get it over it.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jun 19, 2008 6:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So What?

I am the parent of two children who were pretty good athletes in Lexington some 25 years ago. We bought a house in a school attendance district when they were 6 and 8. By the time they got to high school, we were not all that happy with the coaches at the high school in the attendance zone where we had purchased a house some 7-8 years earlier. The only way we could try to help out our children was to move - sell our house and move - somewhere else in Fayette County - or out of Fayette County. We really couldn’t afford to move. But if we had moved - and if the KHSAA had ruled my kids ineligible—I would have been highly incensed.

Parents should be able to make decisions based on what they think is best for their children - athletically or academically - without penalty to their children from the KHSAA or any other government entity.

If a series of parents over of span of time decide that Scott County High School is a good place for their kids to be, then Scott County should not be under suspicion unless there is evidence of offering inducements.

by Fortunatus on Jun 19, 2008 10:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

NO NO NO

You didnt understand my comment. You have to read my other comments to understand. I wasnt saying life is unfair get over the fact that he is ineligible. I was saying life is unfair recruiting happens get over the fact that transfers occur.

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by davw83 on Jun 19, 2008 10:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Transfer occurr

No doubt. My father is a Methodist minister. I moved several times throughout my school years—1st grade in Lex., 2,3,4th grades in Georgia, 5th in Glasgow, 6,7, 8, 9, 10th in Bowling Green, and 11,12th in Louisville. I understand that folks move, and change jobs, etc. But what I beg you, and others to understand is that the recruitment of athletes, as young as 12 and 13 years old occcurs, or has occurred for many, many years all over the state of Kentucky.

When I was in HS ( in Louisville) our coach asked us (a few players) to attempt to entice two different players to attend our school for the express purpose of competing athletically for my school. My coach visited one of the two players in an attempt to persuade the parents and the athlete to change schools. One might ask “how a coach can be so bold at to do such a thing?”—Because it was common place, standard operating procedure.

Some coaches actually had (or have) presentations which they present to the parents of players in an attempt to persuade transfer. PRESENTATIONS, similar to college coaches.

The biggest and most popular lure of families to move from one county to another in order for their child to compete for another school is jobs. Which is the case we have with Euton.

Clay Euton, as I posted earlier, may have legitimately lost his job, and decided to work in Scott Co. without inducement (I certainly hope that is the case). But, the fact that both of the Rose Hill players are/were attempting to transfer to Scott Co., a basketball powerhouse, with a spotty past, certainly is enough evidence to warrant very close scrutiny by the governing body.

I am not, in any way, taking sides with the KHSAA, though. They are the ones who allowed this type of garbage to go on for countless years. The fact that they have now decided to enforce the statutes governing recruiting is laudable, but I am afraid their execution is lacking. And believe me, if there hadn’t been a ruckus raised over the Public/Private issue, the KHSAA would still be turning a blind eye to transfers and the possible recruitment of athletes by high schools.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 19, 2008 10:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand your concerns ...

... and they are certainly valid.

Here’s my problem though - it doesn’t require much effort at all to fact-check Clay Euton - either his employer closed up operations where he was or it did not. It is a totally binary question. If it did, there is really no further discussion to be had unless there is proof somewhere that Scott County recruited Euton. Nobody is claiming that, at least not now.

But surely Euton is entitled to find employment elsewhere in Kentucky and move his children at his discretion without having them declared ineligible unless there is some kind of demonstrable skulduggery involved. It all goes back to a presumption of guilt that the KHSAA has built in to their system.

And if the KHSAA does not have the time or personnel to go about policing this, then they should stop trying to do it half-assed. The kids are the ones being hurt here, and with a 3.7 million dollar per year budget, the KHSAA should be able to do better. If that’s not enough, perhaps they should get more assistance from the legislature or engage in some kind of fund raising.

I don’t think the KHSAA should turn a blind eye to recruitment, but they must default to fairness for the athletes, not the system. Recruiting is bad, but punish the coaches and the schools, not the kids.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 20, 2008 6:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Tru

I agree with everything you wrote.

If a public statement by Clay Euton, and a concern about other AAU teammate transfers is the best Devries can do, then I feel that the kid should be allowed to play. If she doesn’t have any real, tangible evidence (and I am assuming she doesn’t) of inducements by Scott Co., or its boosters, then she has no real grounds on which to deny eligibility.

Suspicion cannot, and should not be the reason for Euton’s denial.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 20, 2008 11:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hunter McClintock...

spent 3 years player for a small highschool and he is now paying the consequences of this. Had Hunter played 4 years at a 4-A or 4-AA highschool here in NC, he likely would have already landed at a major university.

I’m in favor of transfers for any reason. IMO competition of all kinds will benefit our schools.

However if it can be proven that recruiting took place, then the KHSAA should stop the transfer.

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Jun 19, 2008 3:49 PM EDT   0 recs

Recruiting vs. Name Recognition

How much recruiting does Scott Co really need to do? They’re in the Sweet 16 nearly every year. I don’t follow HS sports all that closely and I know that they’re a school with a good basketball program. So is Paintsville.

As was noted up-thread, people choose neighborhoods based on what school they want to go to. Around here, a school in the Elizabethtown High School district will run you 30-40K more than the one across the street in Central Hardin’s. John Hardin is the new fancy/schmancy school in the county and has a burgeoning athletic program… those houses aren’t as pricey as the city school district ones, but they certainly run quite a bit more than a neighboring house that goes to North Hardin. Military families routinely move off post to switch out of the Ft. Knox school district and play sports at North Hardin. Its all relative in this county.

If Mr. Euton lost his job, he is certainly entitled to look anywhere he so chooses to find one. If part of his decision making process is where he thinks his son may have the best fit for his athletic/academic development, then that is certainly a legit factor IMO. What the KHSAA should be on the watch-out for are educational guardianships and out-of-district transfers. If a family legitimately owns a house that serves as a primary residence within the boundaries of a particular school district, then I see no problem.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 19, 2008 3:56 PM EDT   0 recs

They WERE in the Sweet 16 every year.

They were recently moved from the 8th Region to the 11th (Lexington). Some have theorized that that move was made because of the whispering of possible recruiting that has shadowed Scott Co. over the years.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 19, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't there an excellent lawyer

out there somewhere that would be willing to take the KHSAA to task with all this mess?

I know zilch about law, but asTru has said over and over, something needs to be done.

by kykat51 on Jun 19, 2008 4:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Bravo Tru – change is needed – keep reporting on the issue, people are listening

by deWildcats on Jun 19, 2008 4:09 PM EDT   0 recs

/threadjack

Apparently, Tayshaun has been named to the Olympic team. Yay!

/end threadjack

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by NYCCats on Jun 19, 2008 4:46 PM EDT   0 recs

Link man LINK

Where’s the link?

that list is supposed to come out until monday

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by davw83 on Jun 19, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ask and ye shall receive

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=3452552

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 19, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks

much appreciated

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by davw83 on Jun 19, 2008 6:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

When I learn how to embed a link. . .

. . . I will happily do so. Until that time, I rely on others to clean up my mess. : )

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Jun 19, 2008 5:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i get it

i understand your frustration

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by davw83 on Jun 19, 2008 6:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Kentucky Training School of Basketball

Maybe UK could develop its own traveling team, similar to the Oak Hill Academy.
Just think, Billy G could go out and get all these commitments, filter them to our own school and have them ready to step in as freshman.
Seriously, it does seem a little odd that these fine prospects all suddenly want attend a high school right here in UK’s backyard.
High school sports are suppose to be for the students’ extracurricular activities. I don’t think shopping for a high school is completely fair to those who have attended that school, grew up in the area and all of a sudden, bingo!, a new kid comes in and takes a spot of a kid who probably only dream in life was to make the high school basketball team. But them again, alls fair in the love of Kentucky Basketball.
Go University of Kentucky Training School of Basketball!
OK, all you rah rah people its time bash this.

by Paris on Jun 19, 2008 5:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Ky Training School of Basketball

HEHE…that is a great idea but where is the money going to come to finance this ingenious idea?

It is a great thought though.

by kykat51 on Jun 19, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think ...

... you make some great points.

But people shop for good schools all the time. Here in Louisville, everyone wants to get their kids in Oldham County schools, and often move out to that area just so their kids can go there. Nobody sanctions them.

For some reason, the KHSAA has taken the position that shopping for academics is fine, but not for athletics. No matter what anyone says, professional athletics is a perfectly valid career choice if you have what it takes, and as TrickyD26 pointed out upthread, some kids’ careers are likely hurt by overzealous enforcement of these type of rules.

Someday, we are going to stop pretending that academics is all that matters in this world. It is sophistry and and the height of hypocrisy. Academics are important, but so are other things.

Which brings me to another tirade you may expect any day now.

I’m on a roll. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 19, 2008 5:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL...

keep rolling Tru! I love it!

by kykat51 on Jun 19, 2008 6:13 PM EDT   0 recs

Opinions in both the CJ and the LHL...

I honestly think you should do just that, and any other Ky newspaper you can! Get the attention of the public. Go for it! It is way past the time, don’t you think?

by kykat51 on Jun 19, 2008 6:21 PM EDT   0 recs

Heh ...

... I have written so many letters to the Courier-Journal (many of which they have thoughtfully published) that David Hawpe and I are on a first-name basis.

I like this soapbox so much better. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 20, 2008 6:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Letters to the editor

Do you sign them “Truzenzuzex?”

;-)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 20, 2008 8:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh ...

... No.

:-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 20, 2008 12:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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