Out of Africa
As most probably know, our good friends Ramon Harris and Jared Carter have just returned from a thirteen day trip with Athletes in Action to Africa (Mali and Senegal). The two players have been very talkative since their return to the US, and what they are saying is rather intriguing to this fan.
First of all these two young men are to be commended on their willingness to experience a culture so vastly different than their own. Traveling to third world countries can be intimidating, simply because one doesn't know what to expect. With an abundance of negative stories about out-of-control athletes, it is refreshing to witness two athletes behave in such a selfless manner. The fact that Harris and Carter represented the University of Kentucky in the grandest of fashions makes the story even sweeter for most UK fans.
Even better yet are the quotes Harris and Carter are giving about their trip. Harris, when asked about the impact the trip had on him, had this to say:
"It was a definitely a different experience because in Africa a lot of people don't have anything. What they have is what they can carry. We met a lot of people and learned about how they were raised and they grew up, but the entire time they always had a smile on their face. We talked to men and women that only had a hut or just a corner, but they had a smile from ear to ear. By seeing that, it definitely humbled everyone on the trip because they were happy even though they didn't have much to go home to. It makes me think about how I act and how I complain a lot about things that are basically given to me."
An enlightened young man.
Jared Carter had a similar words:
"People always talk about trips to Africa on TV. People say it's a life changing experience, and it's definitely been a life changing experience for me. How people handle themselves over there, and what they have, and what they have to deal with makes me thankful for everything that I have - that we have - over here. It's amazing."
Great commentary on the quality people these two young men are. I hope they share their experiences with their teammates and friends.
Appreciating what one has is a character trait absent in many people, but after living through what we Americans would consider hell on earth, ones perspective can be altered.
Almost as uplifting as Harris and Carter's words on the impact the trip had on their lives, is the fact that Carter evidently played unlike he has ever played at UK. Ramon Harris was long-winded in his flattery of Carter's performance:
"Seeing Jared out there playing better than I've ever seen him play before really helped because it made me want to play better. It made me want to up my game and play harder than the competition. Jared definitely did that the entire trip."
"Jared played great. One game he had 15 points. The next game he went for 13 (points) - 13 (rebounds). Another one he had 11-11. It was the best I have seen him play. He played harder than I have ever seen him."
"He worked so hard and to see him play good like that was just great. It should make Kentucky fans feel good, too, because if he plays like that next year it will make a huge difference in our team."
Considering Jared Carter has played in a total of 32 games for a total of 152 minutes for UK, I am hopeful that Harris' laudatory words are shown to be prophetic, but I remain leery at the possibility of Carter being a major contributor to the team. I want to believe ... I want to expect him to play well, but until I witness his play on the court, I simply cannot bring myself to seriously consider what a huge difference-maker he could be. Or, maybe I can.
What a lot of people forget, or choose not to remember, is that Carter was a highly recruited player out of high school. Many UK fans refer to Carter as a project, that simply isn't true. Or at least it wasn't true when he arrived in Lexington.
He chose to attend UK over North Carolina, Illinois, and Georgia Tech; certainly not a list of never-has-beens. I had high expectations for Carter upon his arrival simply based on the success of the other schools that recruited him. I was in the minority though, many times I debated my fellow UK supporters on the wisdom of signing a 7'2" "project". Unfortunately, Carter hasn't been healthy for a long enough period of time to fairly determine whether his recruitment was a wise decision.
The problems for Carter began November 11, 2006: he dislocated his shoulder, which was a foreshadow of things to come. In December of '06, in practice, he dislocated the same shoulder, again. This time surgery was required, which was performed on December 22, 2006. As a result he played in a total of 3 games his sophomore year.
Fast forward to June of '07, and Carter once again dislocates his shoulder, the same shoulder. Another surgery followed. He did recover in time to begin the season, but his year was a struggle. Other than the Houston game in December of last year where Carter played 16 minutes, scored 6 points and had 4 rebounds, he didn't really have any significant on-floor contributions. I heard a lot of Billy Gillispie talking about Carter's improved play, and that Carter was on the verge of getting playing time, but that talk never materialized into reality.
Of course I have an opinion on why that is so. Reading what Harris recently said about Carter's effort and hard play -- "It was the best I have seen him play. He played harder that I have ever seen him. He worked so hard and to see him play good like that was just great." -- makes me feel that perhaps Carter is feeling liberated from his nightmarish medical history.
In Tru's evaluation of Carter's play posted yesterday, he lists five areas that Carter needs to improve on for next year. Four of the five reasons are related to effort, and just plain playing hard. I think Carter has been playing tentatively because he was afraid of re-injuring his shoulder. If that is true, and he now feels like he can put forth an all-out effort, then maybe, just maybe, Carter could become what so many have given up on; a major contributor to the team.
It wouldn't be the first time in athletic history that a player performed "soft" because of an injury; in Jared's case three shoulder dislocations, and two surgeries. In my mind he can be excused from the woodshed for feeling a bit apprehensive about playing hard. Fear of injury is not the most productive way to play, but in his case it is understandable. The good news though is that according to Ramon Harris, Carter played in Africa free of fear, and with a purpose. If Carter has truly regained confidence in his shoulder, or even if he said to himself, " to heck with it, I'm going to play my hardest, and let happen what will happen", then possibly we will see the same Jared Carter that I saw in his very first practice (Carter's freshman Midnight Madness). That night I saw a guy running the floor, blocking shots, and being very active. I literally have not seen that same player again.
To even think about the difference that an effective Jared Carter would make on the '08-'09 'Cats, causes me to revisit the glory days. The days of victories and championships, beating Louisville and routing Indiana. One can always dream:
The major difference (as opposed to last year ) caused by Carter's presence, begins in the middle: Patrick Patterson, Perry Stevenson, AJ Stewart, and Josh Harrellson would find living in the paint a much easier proposition with a 7'2" earth mover occupying the middle. Patterson would benefit the most I feel, simply because he gets more touches, and can do more with a smaller opening. All it would take is for his man to START to help out on Carter, and leave him open for just a moment; Patterson would do the rest. Gillispie would make the opponent pick his poison; double-team Patterson or play everyone straight-up with very little available help; the thought of Patterson operating one-on-one is pleasant, indeed. Similar to last year, the 'Cats would certainly see a lot of zone, but they would also see a lot of open perimeter shots. Can Meeks, Galloway, Slone, Porter, and Miller make 'em pay? Hopefully we will find out.
A markedly improved Jared Carter would certainly give opponents pause, and 'Cat fans a reason to be optimistic for the now uncommon occurrence of post season success. But, whether Carter plays huge or doesn't play at all, I will always hold him in high esteem. Not only for enduring and rehabbing for two years, but also for opting to visit Africa, a place entirely foreign to his own life-experience. Wouldn't it be wonderful if it turns out that Carter had to visit Africa in order to find his game?
I applaud Carter and Harris for signing up for the trip, and for getting the most out of the visit. They have given a good accounting of themselves, their families, and their school. For that, I salute.
Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!
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Excellent read Ken!
I read somewhere, maybe 6 weeks or so ago, that Carter had somewhat lost confidence in his game with his injuries and surgeries. He did say, and I cannot remember his exact words, that he had decided to let the Lord handle it and that possibly he might regain the confidence he had as a Freshman.
I applaud both these guys!
Carter
He was one of 4 centers on the 2006 UK team. Not much PT after Morris.
He was injured for almost the entire 2007 season. He was largely ignored by the coaches in 2008.
Given a chance, he’ll do pretty well in 2009. I’m not sure if he’ll that chance?
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 18, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
HUH?
What information do you have to make the statment that he was largley ignored for a season?
If the kid were good enough to contribute on the court he would have seen more playing time. Its as simple as that.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
Agree
He was practicing every day with the team – obviously he was not being that impressive. We all know that Gillispie follows the “perform in practice get playing time” rule.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 19, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
"ignored"
I’m with our Detroit friend here… I don’t think “ignored” is the right word to use here. I think Gillispie and staff paid attention to everyone on the roster. I would say that is evidenced by the amount of playing time that a walk-on got last year. I think they evaluated him and decided that he was not ready to contribute meaningful minutes on the floor.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
It's A Fact
Carter never got much of a chance. He was ignored in 2008.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 19, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Fact
Its not a fact becasue you say its a fact and that stats dont back up you point that he was ignored. No stat in the world can help you argument.
You can say he was ignored but call it what it is, your opinion otherwise choose a better word.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
It's Absolutely A Fact
UK was 18-13 and short on players all year long.
Carter played 12 games and 46 minutes. He was ignored.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 19, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
not so much a fact
the only fact there is that he didn’t play much. your opinion is that is the result of the coaching staff ignoring him.
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Jun 19, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
12 Out Of 31 Games
46 minutes out of almost 1300 available minutes.
I’d call that being ignored. Surely he could have played 5 or 10 minures against lesser teams.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 19, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I have heard all I want to hear from you on Carter...
I love the guy and I am going out to fertiize my flowers and weed my beds…
Good luck on your tirade.,
what??
46 minutes out of 1300 just means he played very little…that’s all you’ve proven so far. other then saying he was “ignored” you haven’t brought much to the table to prove that. unless every kid who plays very little is also ignored…
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Jun 19, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ignored
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Players/Carter_Jaredgbg.html 5 games (5 minutes total) in Jan / Feb / Mar 2008 portion of the season.
That’s being ignored, overlooked, forgotten – pick the word you prefer.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 20, 2008 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
choices, choices
since you mentioned Jan-March (SEC Season) when Ramel, Joe, and PPat were playing their iron man minutes, the words I prefer are “not needed.”
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Jun 20, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
No, It's Fact
Carter played little as a frosh (17 games, 86 minutes) but even less as a junior (12, 46).
His frosh year, UK had 4 centers on the roster. His junior year, just 2. The coaches ignored both.
Had both played (poorly) in November and December versus The Cupackes, I’d understand.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 19, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forty, there is a huge difference in being ignored, and not being ready to play at a high level.
He Played Fairly Well As Frosh
Against teams like UNC and Kansas. Check Jon Scott records.
He was injured as soph.
He was forgotten as junior.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 20, 2008 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He Was Ignored Throughout 2008 Season
Look at his PT and games played.
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Players/Carter_Jared.html 12 games, 46 minutes.
Gillispie never gave him much of a chance. He played 17 games, 86 minutes as a frosh with 3 other centers on the roster.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 19, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Gillispie and Carter
I guess I’ll chime in with the others.
If I heard it once I heard it many times; Gillispie commenting on Carter, and how close Carter was to seeing floor time. I do not think the coaching staff “ignored” Carter or anyone for that matter. Gillispie was interested in winning ballgames, and I am positive that whoever gave him the best chance at winning is who saw playing time. Gillispie talked about Carter so much that I find it implausible that he ignored him.
It took Carter some time to recover from his shoulder injury/surgery, and I’m sure that impacted his readiness, especially at the beginning of the season. Based on Gillispie’s own words, I feel that Carter never played free of fear, which as most know, is not conducive to good play.
Based on what Ramon Harris said, I now have hope that Carter will at least attempt to perform as he is capable of, which should be good news to all UK fans.
Carter
Maybe 5-10 minutes per game. Gillispie’s style doesn’t utilize a 7-foot low post player.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 19, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
He had lost his confidence as a player...
Refer to my post up there. I am not sure who interviewed him before his trip to Africa, possibly Larry Vaught, but I do remember Carter telling whomever, he had lost the confidence he had in high school and a freshman in college and needed to find it again…possibly the trip to Africa did just that. I truly hope so because I love him as a Wildcat and a great person.
Gillispie's Style
Under ideal circumstances it may not utilize a 7 footer as you say… however, I find it hard to believe that Gillispie wouldn’t have used him in his “wait until 5 seconds are left in the shot clock and shoot” offense of necessity last year if he had felt he could play.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
You Can't Play Sitting On The Bench
Gillispie and staff gave Carter little or no opportunity to see if he could play.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 19, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe So
First off, DeAndre Jordan measured less than 6-10 at NBA tryout camps. He projects as PF in NBA.
Secondly, Gillispie never coached him (nor anyone like him) at TAMU or UTEP. His offense is not geared for a 7-foot post player.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 19, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Jordan
Jordan is listed as either 6-11 or 7-0 depending on the web-site. The NBA.com web-site has him listed at 7-0, 260lbs.
He’s also listed as a center, and as a projected center.
None of that matters, anyway. He was recruited to be a center in college by Gillispie.
I have heard Gillispie, more than once, say that he likes an anchor in the middle. Who wouldn’t want a productive big man in the paint to take some of the attention away from Patterson?
Ken...
Believe me, you cannot argue with Mr. FortyYear.
He should have been a lawyer instead of an engineer, lol!
VERY IRRITATING
when someone just HAS to be right ALL the time. We all know that Carter was NOT “ignored.” I think we have seen enough of Gillispie’s style to know that if someone doesnt produce in practice they will NOT be seeing much of the floor come game time. Sorry 40, Carter can “bring it” at practice or keep sitting.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 20, 2008 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
JMO Yours May Be Different
Blogs and forums are OPINIONS not RIGHT or WRONG.
Carter won’t get much of a chance at UK. Gillispie favors a mobile post player, not necessarily a tall one.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 21, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I Saw Him Listed 6-10
I doubt he will play C in NBA. He’s very capable PF there.
Gillispie never had an anchor at UTEP or TAMU. Not at Illinois or Tulsa (as assistant) either.
He never played either C (Carter or Williams) very much at all.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 20, 2008 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
His Profile From NBA Scouting Site
(Sounds like he is missing some C skills and may fit better at PF someday, not ready yet)
NBA Comparison: Dwight Howard
Strengths: Exciting big man with a lot of promise … his rare athleticism and explosive leaping ability gives him a tremendous amount of potential … He’s got a huge frame and can add a lot of weight and become a dominant interior force on both ends of the floor … His combination of size, length, and explosiveness makes him a quality shot blocker now who can develop into a dominant one with added coaching and discipline … Very solid in the transition game as he gets out and runs the floor very well for a big manr … A quality rebounder who shows solid effort but must learn better positioning under the basket …
Weaknesses: Needs to develop his body, strengthening his arms and upper body and toning his legs … Despite being a bigtime athlete, he’s still extremely raw fundamentally … Right now his offensive game is limited to mostly dunks and follow up shots around the basket … Still needs to add a lot to his game, so it’s unlikely he’ll be ready to contribute much after just one season at Texas A&M … Lacks range. He has decent touch, but lacks any real post moves or great offensive understanding … A year in college will definitely help him to pick up better foot work and post moves … Will need to develop a mid range shot as well as improve upon his free throw shooting … Added strength will give him confidence and the ability to play more aggressively … He is Shaq and Wilt like at the line. Really must improve as a free throw shooter …
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 21, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
To add perspective
That was written prior to his year at A&M.
Plus, the description given above leads me to believe that the center positon is the only spot on the floor the kid can play - “Right now his offensive game is limited to mostly dunks and follow up shots around the basket.” - “He’s got a huge frame and can add a lot of weight and become a dominant interior force on both ends of the floor.”
It isn’t relevant to this debate what he plays in the pros, the question is what did he play in college. But the answer to both questions is that he is a big man recruited by Gillispie to play in the middle at A&M.
As far as Carter is concerned, if my opinion doesn’t sit well with you, read Ramon Harris’ words about Carter’s play. He’s never seen him play harder, or better etc, etc.. Sounds like he hasn’t performed well in practice over the last year-and-a-half, which of course leads to no playing time.
Doesn't Matter What Harris, Your Or I Think
Gillispie won’t play him more than 5 minutes (10 tops) in any game next winter. His style calls for a different type of post player.
Carter was injured throughout 2007 season so he couldn’t practice. He may (or may not) have practiced well in 2008 season. He SHOULD have played (more than he did) in 2008.
Jordan was C in college. Gillispie never had a really big man at TAMU or UTEP, nor at Illinois or Tulsa (as assistant). His style uses a mobile post player like Patterson or Stevenson.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 21, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
huh?
he may or may not have practiced well, but he SHOULD have played more? umm, why would he be rewarded with playing if he didn’t do well in practice…
plus i think we all know gillispie’s stance on how you do in practice correlates to your playing time.
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Jun 21, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I Don't Know How He Practiced
I do know he was ignored in games, particularly during 2008 (5 games, only 5 minutes).
How could it hurt for him to play a few minutes in most games to get some experience?
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 22, 2008 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
one last time
you don’t KNOW that, you BELIEVE he was ignored. minuted played (or not played) is not definitive proof that a player is being ignored.
and like you’ve said, we don’t know how he practiced. would you still feel this strongly if we knew that he sucked it up in practice last year? i’d like to think you wouldn’t, but who knows anymore…you’ve already made up your mind without this crucial piece of information.
you’ll understand when i don’t substitute your beliefs for mine.
GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!
by UKWildCatFanatic on Jun 22, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, the thread that will not go away : )
My question to you, Forty, is—Why are you pushing the "ignored Carter" on us? You, out of all posters, do not strike me as a person who is in the "feel good" business as a fan. Do you honestly believe that he would have made a dramatic difference in the final record of wins vs. losses last season if he had played more minutes? Maybe (hopefully for him, and us, as fans) he will have found a renewed sense of confidence after a very successful summer and will prove in practice that he deserves a chance come game-time.
Carter
Look at his career.
Frosh – he was 4th string C but still played 17 games (86 minutes). He played in most OOC and some SEC games.
Soph – injured all year. Sat out the season.
Junior – he was one of only 2 centers but only played 12 games (46 minutes). He played in only 5 games (5 minutes) in 2008 calendar year.
He was ignored last year. It’s as simple as that. Never got a chance to play.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 22, 2008 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't care what anyone says...
I love the kid! He has gone through injuries and surgeries galore, and that in itself can harm an athlete as far as being afraid of being injured again and “soft play”.
But, hey guys, he is a terrific person in more ways than just an athlete.
Give him credit for hanging in there despite all the bad PR from many of the Ky fan base. That hurt him too from the interview, but he just had to ignore it and go on.















