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Yesterday, UK head men's basketball coach Billy Gillispie held a press conference that was essentially a defense of his recent policy to recruit players as young as the 8th grade in high school.  This is the story that won't go away, and why it is such a big story this year and not over the last couple of years when it actually broke, nobody seems to know.  It was definitely news last year when Tim Floyd of Southern California got a verbal from 8th grader Ryan Boatright, but since the verbals by Michael Avery and Vinnie Zollo to Kentucky, young commitments have become the topic of the spring.  Who was it that won the national championship this year, again?  I forgot.  It's old news.

There are several articles out there today about the press conference, but I really only want to deal with two of them:  an opinion piece by John Clay and a news article by everybody's favorite UK reporter, Jerry Tipton.

First, a look at what John Clay said.  In my opinion, John Clay is a fine writer and a good on-line friend.  He has always been respectful of A Sea of Blue, links us frequently from his blog and has emailed me a time or two helping to clarify things I've said, which I appreciate.  Clay's article was essentially a defense of the premise that recruiting players from 8th grade classes in high school is a problem, and a practice that should end.  He doesn't come to bury Gillispie in this article, but ostensibly to address the practice itself.  Here is how he broaches his feelings on the subject:

Asked if he thought this new trend was good or bad for the sport, Gillispie said, "It's just different."

Different in a negative way, I'd say. Many of Gillispie's points are valid, but you still can't shake the feeling that this somehow cheapens the game. It turns coaches into speculators, not recruiters. It turns kids into commodities instead of individuals. In a world in which we ask kids to grow up too fast, it accelerates the process.

Believe me, I understand this sentiment -- it was mine as few as ten days ago, but after careful consideration and soul-searching I have abandoned it.  Why?  Well, I will admit that the idea of recruiting the very young has a smarmy feel about it.  It just seems unctuous and a little bit wrong if you look at it in isolation.  However, in full context and with an open mind, it doesn't seem that bad at all.  In a way, even describing the process as "recruiting" is a bit of a misnomer.  Traditional recruiting is very much a two-way street, with coaches talking to recruits and working hard to convince them to come to their school over often many other competitive programs making the same sales pitch.  It is a genuine competitive process with coaches and assistants fighting for a recruit, often casting ethical behavior to the wind on the process.

The process for Avery was nothing like that at all.  Gillispie saw Avery play, liked what he saw and said so to some third party, ostensibly the player's coach.  That word got passed to both the player and the player's father, and Michael's father Howard called Gillispie until he got hold of him.  That conversation lead to a scholarship offer, which Howard passed on to his son.  They discussed the offer father-to-son, presumably involving others in his family, and Michael decided he wanted to go ahead and commit himself to be a Wildcat.

How is this different from the normal recruiting process?  It's easier to count the ways in which it was the same -- an offer and an acceptance.  First off Gillispie, as far as I know, has never spoken to Michael.  That almost never happens in traditional recruiting.  Second, there was no sales pitch that we know of -- Michael was far more aware of Kentucky and what playing there means than his father was.  Third, and perhaps most importantly, there was no competition.  No other school had offered Michael a scholarship.  There was no sales pitch, no "snake oil," no rumor or innuendo about opposing coaches or programs, no opportunity for offering illegal enticements and no reason to do so.  The process was completely pure and uncorrupted by comparison to the usual process, and finally and most importantly, Michael's  parents were intimately involved from the start.

Does that make it better?  In some ways, arguably so, but there are risks -- Avery could have a change of heart, could turn out not to be good enough for a UK scholarship, etc.  Gillespie could also not be here when Avery is ready to come, and even though Gillispie has stated he would keep his word to his young verbals, would his successor be compelled to do so?  But to me, these risks seem small compared to the amount of potentially unethical tripe the kid avoided in an apparently informed and well-considered decision.

Moving on to more of John Clay's arguments, rather than quoting the article extensively I will enumerate the points he makes and ask you to read the article carefully if you haven't already:

  1. It makes coaches look out of control
  2. Coaches are like little kids always trying to see what they can get away with
  3. Avery may not be "balanced enough or mature enough" to make this kind of decision, because "most [young people his age] are not,  And anything that encourages more 15 year-olds to follow suit isn't good."
  4. John cites numerous situations where young players have failed in professional sports.
  5. The coup de grace is that common sense tells us this is not the way to go.

All these points are perfectly valid.  I would argue that many of them are more a reflexive revulsion to the perception that young players are somehow being opened up to corruption or setting themselves up for failure by doing this, and the perception of a coaching arms race.  The former, I think, is an reluctance to look honestly at the world today -- a feeling I know all too well.  Kids grow up very fast these days, and they are still faced with life-changing decisions every single day -- sex, drugs, various opportunities for antisocial behavior, poor performance in school.  Many of these decisions are taken without involving parents.  There is no way this one could happen without the parents' intimate involvement.

In sum, I understand John's position and his lament, but I no longer find myself in agreement.  If 8th graders want to verbally commit and the NCAA doesn't feel the need to stop it, I am fine with that.  Regarding the coaches showing poor judgment, I think this is simply a reflection of fans and the schools who hire them -- that's where the pressure to win comes from.  What do you expect?  As to whether this could extend to younger and younger players, I think that it is likely to end at some age, and maybe this is it.  Before that, it seems to me the risks simply outweigh the benefits, but only time will tell.

Just to make this piece a little longer, I want to briefly look at Jerry Tipton's report today about the news conference.  Tipton has been assailed by the UK faithful and this blog -- rightly in my view -- for reporting stories from what seemed to me to be a "glass half-empty" perspective.  This was not such a piece -- it was very balanced, presenting Gillispie's opinion honestly as well as those of critics of young college commitments.  In my view, Gillispie came out looking more thoughtful and his critics reflexive, but what I really liked about the article was that it is what I consider to be good journalism -- a thought-provoking piece that fairly shows both sides but doesn't take sides.

So to Tipton, who has taken a major amount of heat from the Big Blue Nation lately (and quite a bit of it was deserved, in this writer's opinion), I just have two words for pieces like this:  More, please.

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Excellent Read (Many POV Expressed)

Let me use my stepdaughter as an example. She was HS All-American in volleyball and basketball in late 1980’s. You-Name-It powerhouses in both sports recruited her.

Her lifelong dream was to attend Southern California and play in the footsteps of her idol Cheryl Miller. There was no such thing as early commitments in those days. Had there been, she would have been a Trojan for sure.

She took her first recruiting to USC. They were playing volleyball at UCLA that weekend. (She had already declined UCLA offers in both sports) USC took her to Westwood to see their volleyball team play UCLA.

That night, she called her mother and said, “Mom, I’m gonna be a Bruin!”

Just one story. I don’t favor early commitments in many cases.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 11, 2008 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, Forty.

As I said, I can totally appreciate your position. That was also a very interesting story you relate. Young people are certainly capable of changing their mind.

But no matter what, I can’t see how either would have been a mistake. She would have gotten the opportunity for a free education at both schools, and it would have been fine either way.

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by Glenn Logan on May 11, 2008 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed (Both Would Have Been Acceptable)

But UCLA was a much better fit as it turned out. Their athletic program is #1 in NCAA history (over 100 different NCAA championships in multiple sports, Men and Women) and UCLA is one of the Top 25 academic schools in the nation. UCLA was better. She didn’t know that until she saw the campus.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 11, 2008 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I still can't see what the fuss is about.

Parents were involved. No pressure. An offer and an acceptance that both parties could walk away from (though Billy has promised not to do so). This didn’t bother me when it broke and I’m even more comfortable with it now. I would have killed for this situation. Most basketball loving kids would I think. For those of you that are bothered by it, the NCAA will take care of it shortly I am sure. For now, I’m ready to move on.

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by hoopchi on May 11, 2008 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

It's ...

... winding down, I believe. There is still a lot of interest in this topic, and Gillispie’s defense of the practice certainly deserves comment.

But it has been a story that refuses to die.

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by Glenn Logan on May 11, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Winding down"-- Thank Goodness.

This recruiting issue certainly deserves debate, but I’ll be glad when interest wanes.

Great article, Tru.

by Ken Howlett on May 11, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Think Both SHOULD Be Able To Walk Away

UK took a commitment in July 2002 from a promising sophomore guard. Then 3+ years later (August 2005) he enrolled at UK but was no longer all that promising. Both SHOULD have been able to say Sorry, My Mistake.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 11, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

they both can

the program and the coach come off bad if they’re the ones who take the scholarship off the table.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 11, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Early recruits

To me, I am not troubled by the sports aspects of the story. If the NCAA permits early recruiting, and coach Gillispie has enough confidence in evaluating talent five years out, by all means seize the opportunity.

However, I am deeply perturbed that by committing early, one eliminates the possibility that by growing in high school they may serendipitously find themselves and discover their true calling. The Bureau of Labor and Statistics found that an average person will hold 9.9 different jobs from their 18th birthday to their 36th. If people change their careers better than once every two years on average, how can we expect them to know, with any degree of confidence, their life plans 5 years out?

To disagree with one point of the post, I do not think that kids grow up faster today than previous generations. If anything, I believe today’s youth may have an arrested development. Children of yesteryear had much bigger issues to deal with such as the draft for the WWII or Vietnam war. (Most of) Today’s children do not have to face such drastic decisions in their youth or, for that matter, their lives. True there are pressures cited in the post (sex, drugs, academic performance), but these are hardly unique to this generation. By recruiting this young we place a lot of confidence that a student can ably consign his college years before entering high school. Perhaps I am shadowed by my own experience knowing that I (and many of my contemporaries) did not have the requisite maturity to make such a choice at that age.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on May 11, 2008 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Great comment ...

... and I suppose that the “kids growing up faster” comment comes from my own experiences as a youth. When I was Michael Avery’s age, I was completely immersed in my hormonal overdrive, trying to find the things I enjoyed and just generally trying to cope with life as a budding teen.

It seems that Avery is further advanced in all these areas than I remember being, so that perception may not necessarily be accurate. I do think that today’s youth receive much more information at a younger age than I did growing up, and that is really the only context I have, since I don’t have any kids of my own.

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by Glenn Logan on May 11, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

This caught my eye
“The longer you go in a recruiting situation, there’s more possibility a person is going to make a decision for a player. ... And it’s usually outside the family.

I wonder if BCG is referring to shoe companies there? Most would assume it to be AAU coaches, but when you look at situations like Brandon Wright, it’s hard not to think Nike picked his school for him. Regardless, this certain is one way to combat the influence shoe companies have in directing players. It also gives the families peace of mind in knowing their kid’s education is already taken care of and eliminates much of the uncertainty they have to deal with. It surely is much easier to be able to plan things knowing precisely where you kid is going to attend college and that you are not going to have to pay for it.

"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. " -- Sir Winston Churchill

by Crow on May 11, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably ...

... but not specifically. I think he was just referring to others generally, but it certainly could be the shoe company reps.

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by Glenn Logan on May 11, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots Of Examples

Malik Hairston to Oregon. OJ Mayo to Southern Calif. Just 2 off the top of my head.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 11, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly correct.

BCG is fighting that influence the best way he can. Funny how the same people that are all over BCG totally ignore how the shoe companies are even in Jr. High and in some cases grade schools now paying the coaches and institutions as they scour the inner cities and back roads for the next Lebron James.

"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. " -- Sir Winston Churchill

by Crow on May 11, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aren't these the same fans that ...

critized Tubby Smith for getting involved too late with recruits, scurrying around at the last minute to secure commitments, and getting leftovers in some cases? Billy Gillispie is not the only coach or the first coach to get a commitment from an 8th grader.

While I do think it's a bit silly to fawn over a kid who would need a permission slip and a ride to the airport for his campus visit, we must admit that this is what competitive college recruiting has come to.  Go to rivals.com and look at how many of the future stars have already committed.  You can sit around and whine about how it shouldn't be this way and be on the outside looking in at the best recruits or you can jump in and compete.  But cut Coach some slack here.  You can't have it both ways.  The days of people lining up to come to Kentucky just because we're Kentucky are over.  I feel better knowing that my coach is out there elbowing his way through the crowd and fighting for the best players he can get to come and wear the BLUE!

by ReverendBlue on May 12, 2008 4:14 AM EDT reply actions  

and a ride to the airport for his campus visit,

this is just the state of college basketball recruiting. Go to rivals.com and look at how many of the top 20 players from future years are already committed. Look at UNC’s commitments for the future. You can stand around and whine about how it shouldn’t be that way and always be on the outside looking in at the top recruits, or you can jump in and compete for them. The days of recruits lining up to come to UK simply because we’re UK are over. So get off Coach’s case. I for one am glad that, if there’s a crowd of coaches competing for a top recruit, I can be confident that my coach is going to be IN THAT CROWD, elbowing Billy Donovan and Coach K, and pushing his way to the front!

by ReverendBlue on May 12, 2008 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

It probably ...

... wouldn’t be my first choice. But realistically, we have to live in reality, not in desirability. I would rather see the back-stabbing and behind the scenes nonsense be addressed first, as I think it is the real problem with modern recruiting.

But it won’t be. Not enough people paying attention. Our coach needs to compete at the highest level, and there seems nothing unethical about accepting commitments from younger players. The coach is surely taking the lion’s share of the risk, but that’s what he gets paid the big bucks for.

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by Glenn Logan on May 12, 2008 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The risk worries me

Both Todd and Gillespie are now saying UK will honor these scholarship offers no matter what. There are ways of reneging with some honor in tact, but even so, Gillespie is putting both himself and the university at considerable risk by offering scholarships to 15-year-olds. We could have a roster of unproductive players and/or look silly down the road.

I would like to think - and Gillispie seemed to suggest - that his recent young “young” verbals were special cases - the kinds of situations that won’t arise very often. It also seems that right now - competitively—Gillispie needs to telegraph his aggressiveness to both recruits and other coaches. If he’s successful on the court these next two years, he’ll be in a much better competitive position and won’t have to take unusual risks.

If early commitments become epidemic, I would expect the established coaches to lobby the NCAA for curbs on the practice. On the other hand, if experience shows that early commitments really do lead to all the problems skeptics are conjuring now, there’s not likely to be an epidemic.

by Fortunatus on May 12, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Results on the floor and national "buzz"

I agree 100%. Over the last couple of years the talking heads (which seem to all be based out of Bristol, CT) have been hammering home that Kentucky is no longer KENTUCKY. I feel that what Gillispie is trying to accomplish is to get UK back in the forefront of kids minds. Look at some of the kids on Rivals or Scout now and you’ll see Kentucky as an option on a whole lot more than you once did. Its vital to the long term recruiting goal, which is to make Kentucky one of those places that “chooses” kids instead of the kid choosing the school.

You ever see that movie Star Wars? People tell me I look like Han Solo.-Reed Rothchild,Boogie Nights

by chirop1 on May 12, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

UK Didn't Choose Kids In The 1990's

In many cases, UK landed its 2nd, 3rd, even 4th choice.

Seemed to work out OK.

Well, better than OK.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 12, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

That's funny ...

... right there.

:-)

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by Glenn Logan on May 13, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on May 13, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hilarious!

That is very funny!
Most notably because this picture looks to be taken at about 12-14 weeks and you can’t determine the sex of the baby until about 20-22 weeks at the routine ultrasound – and even then there is no 100% guarantee. Oh, No, what if coach were recruiting a female! And since BCG has said he won’t go back on his word regarding honoring early commitments, the media would be in an absolute frenzy over it! HA! HA! : )

by BigSkyCat on May 13, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

BCG

coach said he wanted the tallest, fastest, and the best…if she can play, you can bet BCG will send her an offer!

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 13, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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