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Recruiting Re-Education 101

University of Kentucky President Dr. Lee Todd has recently received much criticism from UK  fans over his reaction to Matt Avery giving UK basketball coach Billy Gillispie a verbal commitment.  After hearing of Avery's commitment, and his tender age, Dr. Todd asked, "8th grade?"   Bewilderment would be the adjective I would choose to describe Todd's initial reaction; bewilderment that Gillispie and his crew of non-stop recruitiers were invading middle-school gymnasiums scooping up ballers out of their mother's arms.  Bewilderment that Gillispie couldn't find any players who are qualified to drive a motor vehicle. 

Anger is the adjective I would use to describe UK fans reaction to Todd's words of non-support.  Anger that the lowly President of the University would dare criticize our most excellent head basketball coach and his recruiting efforts.  What Dr. Todd failed to realize, or didn't care about, was the fact that UK fans are as attuned to who says what, as it relates to UK basketball, as a mother is to the eating habits of her newborn child.  We hear, read, and see everything.  Nothing goes undissected, nothing goes uncommented on.  Dr. Todd, who is a highly educated academic, is surely intelligent enough to realize his controversial words would create debate.  Surely he cares what UK fans say and think

Well, we now know the truth.  In an article by Jerry Tipton , Dr. Todd relates to us his reason for his well-reported first response, and why  he is now aiding Gillispie in the recruitment of high school "undergraduates".  It seems, like many of us, Dr. Todd spoke before he knew the whole story.  He was uninformed of the facts of young Mr. Avery's "recruitment" when he uttered his now famous question.  The context of the commitment was not fully understood by Todd, so therefore his words were spoken before he knew the circumstances. By the way, context and circumstances are key here.

My intention is not to condemn Dr. Todd, quite the contrary.  I think he is to be applauded for being open-minded enough to listen to the facts surrounding Avery's "recruitment".  He has altered  his stance from disapproving to supportive because he is now in possession of all of the facts.  I believe that Todd learned that Avery's father initiated contact with Gillispie, not vice-versa.  I believe that Dr. Todd learned that Gillispie wasn't stalking middle-schoolers.  I believe that Todd learned that, like it or not, recruiting 8th and 9th graders is commonplace in today's hyper-competitive marketplace of college basketball. 

Todd is now so accepting of the practice that he took the time to meet with UK recruit Vinny Zollo and a gaggle of his relatives. When the high school freshman took his visit to Kentucky earlier in the week, he and his family came away from the meeting very impressed with Dr. Todd's passion for UK basketball.  Todd must have put on quite a show, because Robin Curry (Zollo's mother) raved about him in her interview with Marc Maggard.

Dr. Todd is so sold on the concept that when he heard his friend and sometimes confidant William Kirwan (U. of Maryland chancellor) denounce the recruitment of such youngsters as "appalling", Todd said "I will give him some of the circumstances and see if that adjusts his thoughts."  He then added, "I can see why (Kirwan) reacted that way.  But I look forward to talking to him and explaining things."

Todd, in a few short days, made the Evil Knievel leap from unapproving, to point man for UK in the raging debate over early-commitments.  In Recruiting Re-Education 101  Dr. Todd gets an "A+".

The lesson to be learned from Todd's amazing turnaround in thinking is that often-times our first, knee-jerk reaction to any given issue can be wrong.  I know I have been guilty of stating erroneous opinions that have been based on little, or inaccurate information.  But it's not just us common-folk who knee-jerk react.  The best and brightest of our esteemed news media have been responsible from time to time  for putting out bad information:  Anyone born before 1970 will surely remember the attempted assassination of President Reagan.  The networks were full of mis-information for several hours after the shooting.  Reporting first that Press Secretary James Brady was dead, then reporting that no, James Brady was alive.  Only to come back again to tell us that Brady was indeed dead.  Well, it turned out he was alive and continues to be alive to this day.  The 2000 Presidential election network coverage  teams made very public and embarrassing mistakes when they reported that Al Gore had won Florida.  I could care less about ones political leanings, but the fact remains that they (the networks) got it wrong.  They weren't in possession of all the facts before they "spoke", misinforming millions of people.

Huge mistakes have been made when people, or groups of people rush to judgment, and knee-jerk react to situations that instead call for measured words, and thoughtful consideration.  Billy Gillispie's education of Dr. Todd can be a lesson for all of us.  The context, circumstance, and intentions of someone's words or actions are very difficult to ascertain when one doesn't have the benefit of facts and truth. In my opinion, making determinations based on anything less is unwise and often-times harmful.

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!

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Semantics?

I think that UK, and those who support the offer/commitment to an eighth-grader, have successfully spun this argument toward the position that Gillispie did not actively “recruit” Avery. The real question , at least in my mind, is – should he offer scholaraships to eighth-graders? I still tend to believe that’s too early for either party..

(And the link to Tipton’s article is not working).

by rockatao on May 10, 2008 6:50 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Link now fixed.

To the substance of your comment, I think the suggestion that this is being “spun” is not really fair. The undisputed facts are that Gillispie did not “recruit” Avery in any meaningful sense. He went to see him play, he intimated to a third party that he was impressed with his game, which got back (I’m sure by design) to his parents.

His parents then took it upon themselves to investigate Gillispie’s interest by calling and asking him. Without knowing the substance of that call, we can’t know who brought up the scholarship idea first - Gillispie or Howard Avery - but I don’t think that is in the least bit relevant.

Like you, I thought the 8th grade was too young and even now would not object if 8th-grade and earlier commitments were put off-limits by the NCAA. But contrary to my earlier position, I am now convinced that there is no ethical problem involved in the way that either the Avery recruitment, and apparently the Zollo recruitment as well, were handled by any party to the agreement.

Given that apparent fact, and the fact that if either party discovers it made a grave error later on the agreement may be dissolved without penalty to either party, there are almost no discernible problems with this process other than the school making a miscalculation or the recruit deciding later he prefers another destination. Gillispie has directly addressed the former to my and I think Dr. Todd’s satisfaction as well. Only Avery and Zollo can address the latter.

I think, in many cases including me and possibly Dr. Todd, parochial attitudes are more responsible for our reflexive outrage than any objective harm.

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by Truzenzuzex on May 10, 2008 7:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

a fine line to recruiting...

picture the best recruit in the country going to Louisville when they offered him as a 9th grader…The recruit said I chose Louisville because they showed the most interest early on.
The entire Big Blue Nation would be saying, “we should have offered him a scholly in 8th grade!”
All this depends on how Avery does but if he hits jumpers coming off curls like Rip Hamilton like i have heard he does, I will be very happy.

UK has the greatest fans in the world!

by GoCats on May 10, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ken:

Great article, thoughtfully written. Well done.

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by Truzenzuzex on May 10, 2008 7:38 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

11 AM press conference today

Anyone know anything about it, and if it will be covered live on the internet. I am just curious if this will be part of the topic that will be covered. Even though CBG can’t talk about specific recruits, he can talk about the topic without being specific.

by BlueBloodedCatfan on May 10, 2008 8:20 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Nothing ...

... so far. I have no idea if there will be coverage live, but The Cats Pause will have it covered. I’ll report the substance on here somewhere as soon as it becomes available.

I suppose he will be asked questions about recruiting, but I don’t expect any enlightening answers. I’m more interested in whether or not Liggins will be qualified, or whether or not Jasper and Williams will be here next year.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 10, 2008 8:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

early recruit

PTI did a segment earlier in the week. Both TK and MW had strong opinions against and both were strong in their opinions the NCAA needs to get set rules to stop this process. They used Kentucky and BCG’s picture when talking about the Ky recruits and the others.

by CAWebb on May 10, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Gillispie and Todd

As I’m reading this story and thinking about Gillispie explaining the situation to Dr. Todd, I got to wondering something: Do you think Gillispie calls him “Lee” or “Dr. Todd?”

Ostensibly Dr. Todd is Gillispie’s boss which would generally lead you to think that the honorific would be appropriate. However, Gillispie does make approximately 3x more money than Dr. Todd… which could put them on the even footing to allow a first name basis.

See… these are the sorts of things that run through my mind on a Saturday morning at the office before my first patient of the morning gets here.

Discuss. (The Lee vs Dr. Todd thing… not my boredom and ADD on an early Saturday.)

You ever see that movie Star Wars? People tell me I look like Han Solo.-Reed Rothchild,Boogie Nights

by chirop1 on May 10, 2008 9:03 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

University President Should What Dr Todd Did On Zollo (And Not On Avery)

The basketball coach gets paid to make recruiting decisions. The university president should WELCOME any 8th grader considering his or her university as a college choice.

PS John Brady was LSU basketball coach. JAMES Brady was wounded in Reagan assassination attempt. But your point (don’t jump to conclusion without facts) is very well made by that example.

PPS Reagan actually died TWICE in the hospital that day but was recusitated. We never knew that either (until about 25 years later).

by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 9:09 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Amazing ...

I didn’t pick up on the Brady thing. I remember that whole episode like it was yesterday.

Anyway, I fixed that first name for Ken. I think all I saw was the “Brady” part—I knew who he was talking about, and the whole “John/James” thing simply did not register on my still sleep-fogged brain.

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by Truzenzuzex on May 10, 2008 9:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wrong Brady

Great catch FortyYear. My apologies.

by Ken Howlett on May 11, 2008 1:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Reagan

I’m no brain surgeon, but if you can be resuscitated, you aren’t really dead. Hence CPR: cardio-pulmonary resuscitation.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on May 10, 2008 9:18 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

The Parents

Avery’s father indicated that his son already having his education paid for and guaranteed was a huge relief to their family. If the families themselves are not only comfortable with these arrangements but actually seek them out then I am having a hard time figuring out just who the supposed “victim” is in these types of offers?

How old are gymnasts and tennis players? How about teen (and even pre-teen) movie stars? If they can successfully negotiate the rigors of Olympic pressure and Hollywood hype while still so young then I am sure choosing your college of choice isn’t such a colossal decision as to warp their young and impressionable minds.

What the National press is trying to do is cast UK as somehow unseemly in securing the commitment of an 8th grader. Like we were hiding outside their gym and jumped out in an overcoat and opened it to expose an offer when they walked by. This, of course, is absurd but that seems to me to be what they are trying to suggest.

I have complete and total confidence in the judgment and character of Billy Gillispie. It is maddening to me to see all the negative propaganda he has already had to endure in his first year here at UK. There are a ton of media people (LHL immediately comes to mind) that clearly would like to see him fail due to the whole Tubby fiasco, but that never was the fault of BCG and I think it’s sad that so many in the media are trying to hang that albatross around his neck and sink him with it.

"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. " -- Sir Winston Churchill

by Crow on May 10, 2008 9:43 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I agree ...

... with the caveat that I don’t care what the national media thinks about this issue. Ultimately, either the NCAA will act, or they will not.

I think Gillispie earned a convert in Dr. Todd (whom I have met personally, by the way), and my point of view changed after all the facts came out. I think most of those condemning the practice would be eviscerated in a debate on the subject, but that will likely never happen. Unless, of course, one of them is willing to engage, say, yours truly. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 10, 2008 10:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Presser today

If UK does have a “presser” today then I am expecting that they will be addressing this issue and we’ll be hearing more on the points you are raising.

"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. " -- Sir Winston Churchill

by Crow on May 10, 2008 10:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

There Is No Tubby "Fiasco"

He’s happy. UK is happy. Minnesota AD and President are happy. UK AD and President are happy. UK fans are (generally) happy. Minnesota fans are (generally) happy. Win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 10:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well, yeah ...

... but last year around this time, it was a fiasco. Thank God it worked out for everyone. Nobody could be happier about that than me.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 10, 2008 10:24 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Only Fiasco Involved Donovan Last Spring

Tubby left (by choice) for a better place (for him).

Gillispie left TAMU (by choice) for a better place (for him).

The Donovan saga was indeed a fiasco.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

We'll ...

... just agree to disagree about that then.

FWIW, I agree that Donovan was a fiasco as well.

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by Truzenzuzex on May 10, 2008 10:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

FortyYearCatFan

You are arguing whether or not factually this was a fiasco. That argument aside, clearly the press has treated it as such.

"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. " -- Sir Winston Churchill

by Crow on May 10, 2008 10:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not Arguing At All

Stating my opinion. That’s what blogs are. Opinions expressed. No one named Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John signed up here (yet).

Tru, no actual fiasco involving Tubby or Gillispie. Perhaps media perceived one but none existed.

Coaches leave for different jobs all the time. Always have. Way back in the day, John Mauer left UK for Miami OH because he perceived it to be a better opportunity. (1930)

by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 10:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

now thats a historical reference...

with a stat like that you should call yourself EightyYearCatFan!

UK has the greatest fans in the world!

by GoCats on May 10, 2008 11:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Semantics

You are putting forth an “opinion” that states one particular point of view over another one. That is known as “argument”.

Also, in order for something to qualify as being a “fiasco” all that is necessary is that it be controversial. Therefore, since the media (regardless of the facts) has made the situation into a controversy and thus a “fiasco” then I am not certain as to what you are arguing? Or shall I say, presenting your opinion of which takes one particular point of view over another since you don’t seem to like the word “argument” or “fiasco” very much?

"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. " -- Sir Winston Churchill

by Crow on May 10, 2008 11:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Nope

Just stating my opinion, supported by facts.

I just observed 2 guys changing jobs last spring. No fiasco whatsoever. Not the only 2 guys who changed jobs in 2007. More have done so in 2008.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 11:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Congratuations!

Those of you who had 2 days in the “Amount of Time Crow Waits Before Stirring the Tubby Pot” lottery, please step forward and claim your winnings.

More on-topic: Perhaps Tipton has some sort of grudge against the current basketball/athletics administration. I honestly can’t defend some of what Tipton has wrote. But I honestly don’t think the whole LHL Sports Desk, or the Editors that manage them, would hold or implement any sort of grudge. They would literally be writing themselves out of advertising money and what real bile Tipton has would not be held back in any form.

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by TheFakeGimelMartinez on May 10, 2008 11:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I've Gotten To Know Another Prominent Central KY Sportswriter

He says that Lex H-L encourages Tipton to write negative UK stories to increase interest level in the paper.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 11, 2008 7:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LHL

now this is a “fact” that can’t be backed by anything other than hearsay…if there is actual proof of this, i’d like to see this.

i’m not a tipton fan bya ny means, mostly because i live in chicago, but i’d still like to see some basis for comments like this, other than “i know a guy…”

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 11, 2008 11:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ask Larry Yourself

U know who I mean.

I believe him.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 11, 2008 11:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

who?

i honestly don’t know who larry is…

and even if i asked him, and he felt like telling a complete stranger this story, i still don’t know why i would take his word for it.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 11, 2008 11:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

no

i seriously don’t…i don’t know any central ky sportswriters, prominent or not.

the only sportswriters i read with any regularity write about the sox, cubs, bulls, bears, and hawks.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 11, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ok

really could have saved some time if you had just said larry vaught.

either way, i wouldn’t just take his word for it.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 11, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ask Him

I talk to him and E-Mail him regularly. He won’t put it in print but he’ll shoot straight with U.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 11, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

vaught

i’m sure he will be very straight with me, and without even talking to him, i believe you when you say that he’ll confirm your statement about tipton being told to write negative stories.

but if i can’t get it in writing, i’ll just keep on not taking his word for it.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 11, 2008 5:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I Have It In An Old E-Mail

I have so many of them that I would have to take time to find it.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 11, 2008 6:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That still ...

... does not make it so, and it wouldn’t be right to disclose the contents of private exchange without permission.

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by Truzenzuzex on May 11, 2008 10:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wouldn't Be Able To Do It Here

May be able to share it privately (with permission).

by FortyYearCatFan on May 12, 2008 6:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

no big deal

i think this’ll be one of those things that we’ll just disagree on…there are worse things, right? :)

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 12, 2008 10:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Give Me Your E-Mail

And I’ll forward it if I can find it.

I have 170 something pages of old E-Mails so give me some time.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 12, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

won't make a difference

i appreciate the effort, but even an email from vaught doesn’t mean anything…i’m still taking someone’s word for it without any tangible proof.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on May 12, 2008 11:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Exactly ...

... I note without prejudice or imputation of wrongdoing that Vaught is from a rival news source.

With all due respect, for anyone who lines up 25 people who will say that they “know” Tipton is anti-UK or something, I can probably line up an equal number who will say the opposite.

This isn’t productive. Opinions, even informed opinions, are not proof of anything.

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by Truzenzuzex on May 13, 2008 7:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree ...

... I don’t mind unsourced comments. But I virtually never accept them as fact, no matter how reliable the source. If my own wife comes in and tells me of a similar conversation, my skepticism has proven time and again to be the right way to go.

I think everyone should do the same. Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear. “They said” is the biggest source of disinformation around.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 11, 2008 11:15 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Reagan "Died" In The Hospital

Happens sometimes with extensive blood loss. Happened to my late father in 1987 when he had a bleeding ulcer near a main artery in his stomach. Died twice on the OR table but was recusitated.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 9:43 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

The only person I’ve heard of that died and lived to tell about it was Lazarus!

By the way, did I miss something or is there a reason all my times are displayed using the Left Coast time zone?

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on May 10, 2008 11:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Profile

If you go to your profile page, there should be a preferences tab where you can set the timezone.

Mine is correctly set for the right hand coast.

You ever see that movie Star Wars? People tell me I look like Han Solo.-Reed Rothchild,Boogie Nights

by chirop1 on May 10, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm Using The Term "Died" Because The Doctors Did

Both Dad’s and Reagan’s said He “Died” In The OR (in 1981 for Reagan, 1987 for my Dad).

by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 12:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Let's not let the facts...

get in the way of a good story! This seems to be the approach of some in the national media. I have heard many accross the nation make statements regarding UK’s recruitment. I bet they would soften their tune if they knew Avery’s story but it seems too much to ask to actually investigate the facts. Oh well this swill never change.

by SevenRings on May 10, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Exactly

Since it was UK it was too juicy to resist slinging a little mud.

"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. " -- Sir Winston Churchill

by Crow on May 10, 2008 12:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

let's not forget

Remember when Bobby Knight was courting 8th grader Damon Bailey?This was over 15 years ago.Although not offered a scholly,he was a huge recruiting target by IU,and it was reported by the national media as well(I was thinking I seen the story on 60 minutes,Knight interview).

by -Zoso- on May 10, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

NCAA

I read where someone mentioned the NCAAcould possibly get involved because of the age of these kids and it made me think about the text messaging issue. Did the NCAA restrict the usage? I really can`t remember what,if anything,was done about it.

by String Music on May 10, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Yes

NCAA imposed restrictions on texting.

Had there been an NCAA in Alexander Graham Bell days, they would have restricted the telephone, too.

I think grade schoolers should be Off Limits.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 10, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Nice article Ken. First time posting, and I love this site.

by MillerTime21 on May 10, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Re: MillerTime21

Thanks MT21.

We’re certainly glad to have you.

by Ken Howlett on May 11, 2008 1:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Mitch promised

When Billy G. was hired he Barnhart said he would put Kentucky back in the national lime light.
Damn if he ain’t!

by Paris1 on May 11, 2008 8:28 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Be careful what you wish for

It would have been nice if UK and the Commonwealth had gotten back into the national spotlight for something other than committing athletic scholarships to 15-year-olds. It’s like how old does your cousin have to be before you can marry her?

by Fortunatus on May 12, 2008 12:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No such thing as bad press

I’m quite certain that’s probably what CBCG is thinking.

You ever see that movie Star Wars? People tell me I look like Han Solo.-Reed Rothchild,Boogie Nights

by chirop1 on May 12, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Kentucky has been in the national limelight all along

UK has been among the Top basketball schools all of my lifetime.

1 in 1950’s. Top 5 in 1960’s and 1970’s. Top 10 in 1980’s. Top 2 or 3 in 1990’s. Top 10 in 2000’s.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 11, 2008 8:55 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs


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