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I just got around to thinking about the Sean Sutton forced resignation from Oklahoma State University.  I wrote about the possibility that OSU might be interested in luring Kentucky coach Billy Gillispie away to Stillwater, but up until now, I haven't really had the time to examine the events that lead to that possibility.

It is interesting how deep Kentucky's roots are in the OSU situation, given the fact that Eddie Sutton went there after presiding over the debacle that became the Kentucky program back in 1988-89.  There are more than one Kentucky - related assistants who worked for Eddie Sutton at OSU.  With Sean Sutton's dismissal, it seems as if the program, and in particular the fabulously wealthy T. Boone Pickens, have decided  to put the Sutton chapter in OSU history permanently to rest.

I remember Sean Sutton at Kentucky.  He was the original Saul Smith (man, what is up with all this alliteration in these guy's names?), and just as maligned and derided in his day as the son of former Kentucky coach Tubby Smith was later.  Sean played for just two years at Kentucky before transferring to Oklahoma State when his father took the head coaching job there.  Two years ago, after his father was involved in a drunk-driving accident that led him to take a leave of absence from OSU and eventually to retire, Sean was left in charge of the Cowboys by agreement with the elder Sutton.  OSU kept Sean on as head coach, signing him to a 5-year deal.

Shortly after, it appears that T. Boone Pickens decided to diversify his holdings.  Harry Birdwell was forced to resign as AD in 2005, and at that point, Pickens tied the hiring of current AD and former OSU golf coach Mike Holder to a $165 million dollar donation to the school.  If you say, "Well, that could be a coincidence," I offer this:

When Pickens gave the OSU athletic department $165 million in January 2006, I asked him if he would have made that staggering donation if Holder hadn't been named AD.

"Probably not," Pickens said.

So it looks to me like the billionaire has bought himself a college athletics program  lock, stock and barrel.  And it looks as if Holder's jealousy of the Sutton family and Pickens' personal desire to put his own stamp on the program had more to do with Sean Sutton being without a job right now than anything else.  And as to Holder's qualifications?  One Oklahoma writer put it this way:

When you think about it, Holder has done two things over his lifetime that have placed him in charge of Cowboy athletics. He built maybe the best golf program in the nation and inspired the trust and confidence of T. Boone Pickens, the man dead set on turning the Stillwater campus into some sort of athletic Disneyland, whether or not the school can produce strong enough programs or a large enough fan following to turn it into a competitive success.

I bring all this up because Sean Sutton, even more so than his father, was a Wildcat.  He was a young player when he was here, and always a hard worker.  Eddie Sutton is often reviled for his careless stewardship of our program, and I can sympathize with that but despite his failure at Kentucky, there is no doubt Eddie Sutton landed on his feet. That is laudable, but it is hard to forgive him for his abject malfeasance at UK.  Sean is another matter.  The worst that can be said about him is that many UK fans disliked him for the same reasons they disliked Saul Smith later.

Together, father and son resurrected the moribund OSU program, but what we have learned from this affair is that loyalty is a one-way street when you allow a big chunk of your school to be purchased by a wealthy man and used as his own personal fiefdom.  Pickens is Mark Cuban in a Cowboy hat, the only real difference being that he can't formerly acknowledge the ownership of his property like Cuban can with the Mavericks.

I was also surprised, and somewhat gratified, at the amount of anger in Oklahoma at the rude dismissal of Sutton.  Holder is now considered by most in Oklahoma to be exactly what he was hired to be -- the landlord for T. Boone Pickens' property.  One of the perks of being a landlord like that is that you get to indulge your baser emotions, and most people believe that's exactly what Holder did.  Pickens was fine with it -- he had no connections to Sutton, and in fact wanted to fire Eddie Sutton right after the automobile accident that lead to his retirement.  Apparently, the sins of the father have been visited on the son.

It's against the backdrop of this somewhat sordid affair that we find our friend Mr. Pickens supposedly looking at hiring either Kansas' Bill Self, Kentucky's Billy Gillispie, or some other big-time coach.  Pay no attention to the alleged athletic director -- he looks to me for all the world like an empty suit.  I have come to the conclusion that I hope nobody takes the job, but if the money is right, somebody will.  All I can say is that whoever does take that job does not work for Oklahoma State, he works for T. Boone Pickens.  Better do your homework before you say yes, Coach of the Future, because as all these events have demonstrated, that athletic department at Oklahoma State is a wholly-owned subsidiary of B.P. Capital Management.


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Funny you bring this up today Tru
I was watching Outside the Lines this morning and they had a story on the AD out at Oregon. Holy Cow!!! I had heard others mention the close ties between Oregon and Phil Knight (head of Nike), but I had no clue it was that shifty! The old AD was forced out and his 1.8 million dollar buyout was paid by a group of boosters led by this guy Kilkenny (or whatever his name is) that is close friends with Knight. Then a couple months later, Kilkenny gets hired as AD at Oregon! He went to school at Oregon in 1979, but dropped out without a degree... he's currently the only AD in any of the six major conferences without a college degree! To add to the hypocrisy, all the job openings posted for assistant AD's at Oregon require a college degree!!!! He also admitted that before hiring a football or basketball coach, he probably would consult Knight. Absolutely amazing.

I don't have the link to Outside the Lines, but I believe there is a site tied to ESPN that details the individual episodes.  If the NCAA can tell kids that they can't get a job mowing lawns because of possible conflicts of interest, they really need to find a way to scale back the outright purchasing of an entire athletic department by a booster.

by chirop1 on Apr 6, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw....
that this morning as well.  

I wonder when they will do an expose on OSU.  It seems like identical situations.

by gacatfan on Apr 6, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OSU Expose
My guess is Pickens "probably" wouldn't allow his "employee" to grant ESPN the interview, or do the interview himself.  I didn't see the OTL show in its entirety, but did catch a small portion on the ESPN website.

Quite frankly, I am shocked the people associated with the Oregon story did the interviews, don't they know or care how incredibly dreadful this makes their program look?

by BigSkyCat on Apr 6, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If.............
Coach G took the job it is all about the money.....and I don't think Coach is about that...who would want to work at a school like you described above?  Having a booster like that getting involved in the salary structure of a coach is dangerous indeed...to me, it is okay to donate money for a new practice facility (Joe Craft Center) and use a private jet to make recruiting visits....but I do have a problem with boosters assisting in any way to personally pay a coach....just seems dirty to me.

Coach is NOT an applicant for this job...only Seth Davis is making that possibility (Tipton, Forde, even Gottlieb on ESPN has stated as such..and two of those are not Coach G fans).

As bad as Sutton was treated at OSU, I think we should just move on.....Eddie has been pretty much removed from the history of UK basketball due to the issues of the late 80's.  So, even though Sean was a Wildcat and we feel for him, we should also  remain distant and hope for the best for Sean.  He will find work somewhere.  As for Coach, he will be here next year and for the long term.

Go Cats!  

by Chuck Alexinis on Apr 6, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sean Sutton
Briefly went to Purdue before his Dad got the job at Okla St.

He didn't go directly UK-2-Okla St.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 6, 2008 6:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said and I agree with every word.
Please remember that husband isn't a sports fan (what was I thinking!), but when I mentioned this whole deal to him last week I said "if BCG leaves, he'll be working directly for TBP". His response (and this scared me) "it would be easier than trying to please 1/2 million UK fans". Lets just say someone (please not BCG) takes this job. What would he have to deliver to Mr. Pickens to keep his job safe? A national championship? If that's the goal (and for that money I'd assume it is), wouldn't it take years and years and years? And, every day until then, you're living on borrowed time. I can't see it. Granted, I've never even been to Oklahoma, but unless you were born and raised there, I can't imagine that you'd prefer it over Lexington unless you're afraid of the Big Blue challenge. From what we've seen of BCG this year, I don't think the man's afraid of anything.

by bluegrassgal on Apr 6, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've Been To Stillwater OK
And it's a whole lot more like West Texas than Lexington KY is.

Okla St has 6 FF appearances and won back-2-back NCAA titles in the 1940's. Plenty of good tradition in Stillwater.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 6, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"1/2 million UK fans"....
....what, is he just counting the UK fans in eastern Kentucky? :)

by Ken Howlett on Apr 6, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
I guess we've been out of state for so long now that he's forgotten the sheer numbers!

by bluegrassgal on Apr 7, 2008 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reminder on the number
Hell, Blue Gal, there are a half-million UK fans in south Laurel County / north Corbin alone. Just like registered voters. Or like the prescription pill people in Letcher County. Or folks who claim to have been at Woodstock. Like most of the good and the bad in Kentucky, there is a lot more than meets the eye. I think the good outweighs the bad, but once in a while it gets out of hand. Tru has nailed it again with his observation that most of the outcry in Cherokee Strip land is from a majority of OSU fans who wanted to see Sean get at least another year, especially after his strong finish in the Big XII - whose representative is in the big dance tonite, no less.
Sure, there are a half-million UK fans anywhere you look. And most of 'em are great folks. The few sorry fairweather fools are loud - but few. The rest are true Blue.

by Way2blue4SorryFairWeatherFew on Apr 7, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its sad....
....that a lot of these athletic programs are supported by single individuals rather than collectively by the state.  UK is fortunate to have the support of many rather than a few.  Thats because our athletic program actually means something.

by bigbluebrh222 on Apr 6, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What self-respecting Texan would move to Oklahoma?
I'm not so sure it would be easier to please T-Boone than half a million (many more, surely) UK fans.  We grumble, but our two most beloved teams didn't win championships (Rupp's Runts & the Unforgettables).  Meanwhile I'm sure T Boone is used to looking at the bottom line.  You don't earn millions by getting emotionally attached to things.

And It remains to be seen if you can just buy success at an athletic program, especially in football country.  Our Craft Center cost $30 million; heavens knows what Rupp would cost today.  Most importantly, you have to staff it top to bottom with people who know what to do.  There are no Bill Keightleys in Stillwater, but they're the kind of people who ensure continued success.  Mark Cuban still hasn't been able to buy a championship, and he's spent more than T Boone.

by CW on Apr 6, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sutton, Pickens, and a load of toxic waste.
Oklahoma St. has secured its place in college sports lore as the most money hungry, unscrupulous, corrupted institution in recent memory.

They have some seriously bad karma headed their way.

To allow deep pockets, even historically deep pockets, to corrupt their thinking, and decision making in such a direct way is sad commentary about the existing back-bone of the university President and its Board of Regents( or whatever boady governs the school).

It's one thing to support your alma mater with monetary donations, it's quite another to place demands, and stipulations on said donations. Especially when those demands involve the termination of employees. Pickens seems to me to be the worst kind of human being; narssistic to the max.

Sean Sutton should feel lucky to be relieved of having to live anywhere near such toxicity.

I have rooted for the Cowboys for some time now, but that ends now. I'll simply send my $100 cashiers check somewhere else :)

 

by Ken Howlett on Apr 7, 2008 1:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pot, meet Kettle
I agree wholeheartedly with you, Ken, but you must honestly own the despicable actions of some of our own cash-money supporters - including the dollared dildos who offered serious millions to buy Tubby out last year, when that money could have done so much good for any one of a dozen or so needy UK projects. I know firsthand of one serious project whose director worked a long time to get a single interview with a major UK donor, only to hear about how much that person was willing to give to see Tubby go. What a sorry bunch of losers. The university is better off without their money ... and don't forget the Emory Air Freight punchline is still a standard gag in basketball circles, no thanks to the same. Oregon and OSU may be in real trouble real soon, but we have a glass house of our own thanks to past abuses. Anyone want Hal Mumme back?

by Way2blue4SorryFairWeatherFew on Apr 7, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UK's Actions
I am sure UK and many other universities have behaved in an unethical manner at some point in their existence, but my point was the fact that conspiracy seems to be at work in Stillwater.

"I'll give this money if you fire this guy" etc, as far as I know has never happened at UK. The fact that OSU's administration is complicit in this dispicable situation is inexcusable, in my opinion.

Boosters can be very hard to control, and since Pitino arrived in '89, the booster problem in Lexington seems to have lessened to a great degree.

A bunch of guys getting together to talk about "buying out contracts" and actually having it happen are two very different things.

As far as Hal Mumme is concerned; he was terminated as he should have been. I don't see a parallel at all to the OSU situation. Although I would NOT have given him 1 millions dollars on his way out the door, just as IU should not have given Sampson 750k as a reward for cheating.(I do realize there were legal considerations at work in both of those instances, but it still turns my stomach)

As Tru noted, it seems T Boone has bought himself an athletic department. To my knowledge, this type of "selling out" by a university to one individual is very rare indeed. It's definetly not something UK has ever done in its history.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 7, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well differentiated, Ken
Well differentiated, Ken, as always - though I cannot forgive our own AD for his lengthy silence and then weak-ass mealy mouthed statement of lukewarm support for OTS when the yahoos were running amok about this time last year. Despicable. What kind of AD and administration allows a respected, winning coach to have his job threatened loudly, publicly and repeatedly by ignorant fools who couldn't find a basketball if someone handed it to them, without issuing some sort of definitive statement of support? Ours.
I agree wholeheartedly with you on the shame of the Mumme buyout, as with Sampson, and wish more schools would consider adding language to these contracts that would preclude any buyouts when the circumstances surrounding separation had to do with ethical or legal infractions. Put some money where your mouth is, in other words.
I also agree that UK's booster problems did seem to fade after Rick's arrival. As I have written before, I will never forget his statement at his first UK press conference about keeping the boosters away from any improper assistance - "If you want to suppoaht the team, come out and fill the arener."
On the other hand, what we don't see can and will hurt us ...
Who could afford to buy UK's athletic department these days?

by Way2blue4SorryFairWeatherFew on Apr 7, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mitch Is NOT A Very Good AD
That's my opinion, not my usual fact(s). Mitch handled the events of last March (2007) poorly.

I believe boosters continued to be a problem for the football program into the late 1990's or early 2000's.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 7, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barnhart
Barnhart could very easily have handled the Smith situation more competetently.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 7, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bottom Line
I think Gillispie stays at UK (despite what Big 12 coaches hear).

I think Oklahoma State is a nice place (based on a single visit to campus).

I think OSU is better off without the Suttons.

T-Boone is more like Steinbrenner than Cuban.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 7, 2008 6:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think if Bill Self says no
then Billy G. will listen and also say no.  More likely candidates are probably Sean Miller (Xavier) and Kevin Stallings (Vanderbilt).  I know (living in Nashville) that Stallings name was being thrown around quite a bit for the Indiana job (with a few newspapers sort of encouraging him to move on to something better), but I assume he was never officially ask.  The Tennessean sports writer sort of implied that he was too good of a coach to be stuck in Vanderbilt's moderate facilities and recruiting ability.  Anyway, just a few more names to the pot.  I don't give a frog's fat behind who they get as long as it isn't CBCG. It would be funny if Bill Self wins the National Championship tonight and signs a $5 million a year contract tomorrow though... would Kansas still be considered cursed in the tournament?  They finally win, only to lose there coach to their second class neighbor.
I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange and Vandy gold!

by sleepytimetea on Apr 7, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

where are your numbers and stats and stuff???
I certainly am not trying to be respectful here, but this is twice in one day you've called me out on my posts, without your usual stats and quotes from South Florida Newspapers.  Evidentally Nick Saban is not "iconic" enough for your question in the "Forgiving Pitino" post and now you post, "Sean Miller will stay at Xavier", simply because I said he could be a possible candidate for OSU. Are you his attorney? That's fine if he does stay and I said that clearly in my post, but your one line answers irk me a bit, especially with all the numbers and stats you put into your other posts, I honestly feel a little cheated!  Will he stay at Xavier like Pete Gillen did, like Skip Prosser did or like Thad Matta did?  I am originally from Cincinnati and trust me, Xavier cannot hang on to a coach to save their life.  
I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange and Vandy gold!

by sleepytimetea on Apr 8, 2008 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I meant to type "disrespectful"
as I am not trying to offend anyone.
I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange and Vandy gold!

by sleepytimetea on Apr 8, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:sleepy
I think FortyYear thinks Miller will stay at Xavier because he has a 2 million buyout.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 8, 2008 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely am not familiar with his contract...
but it seems that wouldn't be an insurmountable amount of money for TBoonePickensStateUniversity.... and again, who knows who will be their (OSU's) next coach?  If you are Bill Self and you're offered the alledged 40 million over ten years and a six million dollar signing bonus, what do you say?  What do you say if you're coach CBCG?  It's an interesting debacle that the end can't come soon enough for me.    I just hope that tradition means more than cash to both of these guys.  
I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange and Vandy gold!

by sleepytimetea on Apr 8, 2008 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

6 million signing bonus/4 mil per year...
....wow, that guy LOVES him some Bill Self.

I just heard on JT The Bricks show about the "signing bonus". I couldn't believe it.

I agree wholeheartedly with you; I hope Pickens doesn't get his way, as he is so accustomed to doing.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Self does have long standing ties with OSU, and he's from Oklahoma. Maybe OSU is his dream job, I don't know, but I certainly hope he stays put.

Clyde ain't going anywhere (of course I wrote the same thing about Darrin Horn)....except recruiting for Kentucky.

If I write it enough times do you think it will come true?

by Ken Howlett on Apr 8, 2008 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I absolutely believe it...
and I'll write it with you.
Clyde ain't going anywhere
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I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange and Vandy gold!

by sleepytimetea on Apr 8, 2008 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Plus He Likes It At XU
Loves Cincy as a place to live. He's a Pittsburgh native.

And (Tom Mack) a HS classmate's son (Chris) is assistant coach at XU. Miller will stay at X.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 8, 2008 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Gonna Try That With My Boss
If he pays me $2.7 million over the next 10 years, I promise not to say anything bad about him.

Ever.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 7, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what a bunch of Swhit
with the Ok State basketball program...I am with Tru...I hope no one accepts a job and tells them why!...who wants to be controlled by a billionaire?

by kykat51 on Apr 7, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha Ha!
I like it!

:-)

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 7, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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