There was blood on the saddle
I just got around to thinking about the Sean Sutton forced resignation from Oklahoma State University. I wrote about the possibility that OSU might be interested in luring Kentucky coach Billy Gillispie away to Stillwater, but up until now, I haven't really had the time to examine the events that lead to that possibility.
It is interesting how deep Kentucky's roots are in the OSU situation, given the fact that Eddie Sutton went there after presiding over the debacle that became the Kentucky program back in 1988-89. There are more than one Kentucky - related assistants who worked for Eddie Sutton at OSU. With Sean Sutton's dismissal, it seems as if the program, and in particular the fabulously wealthy T. Boone Pickens, have decided to put the Sutton chapter in OSU history permanently to rest.
I remember Sean Sutton at Kentucky. He was the original Saul Smith (man, what is up with all this alliteration in these guy's names?), and just as maligned and derided in his day as the son of former Kentucky coach Tubby Smith was later. Sean played for just two years at Kentucky before transferring to Oklahoma State when his father took the head coaching job there. Two years ago, after his father was involved in a drunk-driving accident that led him to take a leave of absence from OSU and eventually to retire, Sean was left in charge of the Cowboys by agreement with the elder Sutton. OSU kept Sean on as head coach, signing him to a 5-year deal.
Shortly after, it appears that T. Boone Pickens decided to diversify his holdings. Harry Birdwell was forced to resign as AD in 2005, and at that point, Pickens tied the hiring of current AD and former OSU golf coach Mike Holder to a $165 million dollar donation to the school. If you say, "Well, that could be a coincidence," I offer this:
"Probably not," Pickens said.
So it looks to me like the billionaire has bought himself a college athletics program lock, stock and barrel. And it looks as if Holder's jealousy of the Sutton family and Pickens' personal desire to put his own stamp on the program had more to do with Sean Sutton being without a job right now than anything else. And as to Holder's qualifications? One Oklahoma writer put it this way:
I bring all this up because Sean Sutton, even more so than his father, was a Wildcat. He was a young player when he was here, and always a hard worker. Eddie Sutton is often reviled for his careless stewardship of our program, and I can sympathize with that but despite his failure at Kentucky, there is no doubt Eddie Sutton landed on his feet. That is laudable, but it is hard to forgive him for his abject malfeasance at UK. Sean is another matter. The worst that can be said about him is that many UK fans disliked him for the same reasons they disliked Saul Smith later.
Together, father and son resurrected the moribund OSU program, but what we have learned from this affair is that loyalty is a one-way street when you allow a big chunk of your school to be purchased by a wealthy man and used as his own personal fiefdom. Pickens is Mark Cuban in a Cowboy hat, the only real difference being that he can't formerly acknowledge the ownership of his property like Cuban can with the Mavericks.
I was also surprised, and somewhat gratified, at the amount of anger in Oklahoma at the rude dismissal of Sutton. Holder is now considered by most in Oklahoma to be exactly what he was hired to be -- the landlord for T. Boone Pickens' property. One of the perks of being a landlord like that is that you get to indulge your baser emotions, and most people believe that's exactly what Holder did. Pickens was fine with it -- he had no connections to Sutton, and in fact wanted to fire Eddie Sutton right after the automobile accident that lead to his retirement. Apparently, the sins of the father have been visited on the son.
It's against the backdrop of this somewhat sordid affair that we find our friend Mr. Pickens supposedly looking at hiring either Kansas' Bill Self, Kentucky's Billy Gillispie, or some other big-time coach. Pay no attention to the alleged athletic director -- he looks to me for all the world like an empty suit. I have come to the conclusion that I hope nobody takes the job, but if the money is right, somebody will. All I can say is that whoever does take that job does not work for Oklahoma State, he works for T. Boone Pickens. Better do your homework before you say yes, Coach of the Future, because as all these events have demonstrated, that athletic department at Oklahoma State is a wholly-owned subsidiary of B.P. Capital Management.
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Funny you bring this up today Tru
I don't have the link to Outside the Lines, but I believe there is a site tied to ESPN that details the individual episodes. If the NCAA can tell kids that they can't get a job mowing lawns because of possible conflicts of interest, they really need to find a way to scale back the outright purchasing of an entire athletic department by a booster.
by chirop1 on Apr 6, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw....
I wonder when they will do an expose on OSU. It seems like identical situations.
by gacatfan on Apr 6, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OSU Expose
Quite frankly, I am shocked the people associated with the Oregon story did the interviews, don't they know or care how incredibly dreadful this makes their program look?
by BigSkyCat on Apr 6, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If.............
Coach is NOT an applicant for this job...only Seth Davis is making that possibility (Tipton, Forde, even Gottlieb on ESPN has stated as such..and two of those are not Coach G fans).
As bad as Sutton was treated at OSU, I think we should just move on.....Eddie has been pretty much removed from the history of UK basketball due to the issues of the late 80's. So, even though Sean was a Wildcat and we feel for him, we should also remain distant and hope for the best for Sean. He will find work somewhere. As for Coach, he will be here next year and for the long term.
Go Cats!
by Chuck Alexinis on Apr 6, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sean Sutton
He didn't go directly UK-2-Okla St.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 6, 2008 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said and I agree with every word.
by bluegrassgal on Apr 6, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've Been To Stillwater OK
Okla St has 6 FF appearances and won back-2-back NCAA titles in the 1940's. Plenty of good tradition in Stillwater.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 6, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"1/2 million UK fans"....
by Ken Howlett on Apr 6, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
by bluegrassgal on Apr 7, 2008 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminder on the number
Sure, there are a half-million UK fans anywhere you look. And most of 'em are great folks. The few sorry fairweather fools are loud - but few. The rest are true Blue.
by Way2blue4SorryFairWeatherFew on Apr 7, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its sad....
by bigbluebrh222 on Apr 6, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What self-respecting Texan would move to Oklahoma?
And It remains to be seen if you can just buy success at an athletic program, especially in football country. Our Craft Center cost $30 million; heavens knows what Rupp would cost today. Most importantly, you have to staff it top to bottom with people who know what to do. There are no Bill Keightleys in Stillwater, but they're the kind of people who ensure continued success. Mark Cuban still hasn't been able to buy a championship, and he's spent more than T Boone.
by CW on Apr 6, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sutton, Pickens, and a load of toxic waste.
They have some seriously bad karma headed their way.
To allow deep pockets, even historically deep pockets, to corrupt their thinking, and decision making in such a direct way is sad commentary about the existing back-bone of the university President and its Board of Regents( or whatever boady governs the school).
It's one thing to support your alma mater with monetary donations, it's quite another to place demands, and stipulations on said donations. Especially when those demands involve the termination of employees. Pickens seems to me to be the worst kind of human being; narssistic to the max.
Sean Sutton should feel lucky to be relieved of having to live anywhere near such toxicity.
I have rooted for the Cowboys for some time now, but that ends now. I'll simply send my $100 cashiers check somewhere else :)
by Ken Howlett on Apr 7, 2008 1:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pot, meet Kettle
by Way2blue4SorryFairWeatherFew on Apr 7, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UK's Actions
"I'll give this money if you fire this guy" etc, as far as I know has never happened at UK. The fact that OSU's administration is complicit in this dispicable situation is inexcusable, in my opinion.
Boosters can be very hard to control, and since Pitino arrived in '89, the booster problem in Lexington seems to have lessened to a great degree.
A bunch of guys getting together to talk about "buying out contracts" and actually having it happen are two very different things.
As far as Hal Mumme is concerned; he was terminated as he should have been. I don't see a parallel at all to the OSU situation. Although I would NOT have given him 1 millions dollars on his way out the door, just as IU should not have given Sampson 750k as a reward for cheating.(I do realize there were legal considerations at work in both of those instances, but it still turns my stomach)
As Tru noted, it seems T Boone has bought himself an athletic department. To my knowledge, this type of "selling out" by a university to one individual is very rare indeed. It's definetly not something UK has ever done in its history.
by Ken Howlett on Apr 7, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well differentiated, Ken
I agree wholeheartedly with you on the shame of the Mumme buyout, as with Sampson, and wish more schools would consider adding language to these contracts that would preclude any buyouts when the circumstances surrounding separation had to do with ethical or legal infractions. Put some money where your mouth is, in other words.
I also agree that UK's booster problems did seem to fade after Rick's arrival. As I have written before, I will never forget his statement at his first UK press conference about keeping the boosters away from any improper assistance - "If you want to suppoaht the team, come out and fill the arener."
On the other hand, what we don't see can and will hurt us ...
Who could afford to buy UK's athletic department these days?
by Way2blue4SorryFairWeatherFew on Apr 7, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Is NOT A Very Good AD
I believe boosters continued to be a problem for the football program into the late 1990's or early 2000's.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 7, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barnhart
by Ken Howlett on Apr 7, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line
I think Oklahoma State is a nice place (based on a single visit to campus).
I think OSU is better off without the Suttons.
T-Boone is more like Steinbrenner than Cuban.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 7, 2008 6:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think if Bill Self says no
by sleepytimetea on Apr 7, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where are your numbers and stats and stuff???
by sleepytimetea on Apr 8, 2008 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I meant to type "disrespectful"
by sleepytimetea on Apr 8, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re:sleepy
by Ken Howlett on Apr 8, 2008 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely am not familiar with his contract...
by sleepytimetea on Apr 8, 2008 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 million signing bonus/4 mil per year...
I just heard on JT The Bricks show about the "signing bonus". I couldn't believe it.
I agree wholeheartedly with you; I hope Pickens doesn't get his way, as he is so accustomed to doing.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
Self does have long standing ties with OSU, and he's from Oklahoma. Maybe OSU is his dream job, I don't know, but I certainly hope he stays put.
Clyde ain't going anywhere (of course I wrote the same thing about Darrin Horn)....except recruiting for Kentucky.
If I write it enough times do you think it will come true?
by Ken Howlett on Apr 8, 2008 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely believe it...
Clyde ain't going anywhere
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by sleepytimetea on Apr 8, 2008 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Plus He Likes It At XU
And (Tom Mack) a HS classmate's son (Chris) is assistant coach at XU. Miller will stay at X.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 8, 2008 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Gonna Try That With My Boss
Ever.
by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 7, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what a bunch of Swhit
by kykat51 on Apr 7, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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