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Deceived! But in a good way ...

SSSSSooooo.  Josh Harrellson decided to play a little cat and mouse game with us UK fans, and while we were all waiting quietly and away from our computers, he announces that he is going to be a Wildcat and faxes in his signed LOI.

What does this mean and why is it important?  Well, everyone knows that UK has had difficulty recently, for whatever reason, recruiting quality big people.  Yes, we got Patrick Patterson, but for several years prior to that and this year up until now, we have been unable to land anyone who could help out Patterson in the post.  Today, we got one in Josh Harrellson.  Harrellson is a big, thick-bodied player with developing but already serviceable skills in the post, and improving range.  He has not been playing basketball for all that long, but his skill set fills a crucial need for Kentucky next season.

In a way, it is somewhat frightening to me to see Kentucky fans waiting with bated breath over a player who is only moderately ranked in the 2008 class.  He is nowhere near the stud Majok is projected to be, nor Terrance Jennings, or virtually any of the other big men (outside of a couple who never got offers) that UK was recruiting.  But on the other hand, the fact that his skills mesh so well with Kentucky's needs combined with the lateness of the hour in the 2008 recruiting class make this a rather huge commitment.

But before we could draw another collective breath, a genuine, 5-star stud from the 2010 class decided that he, too, would look mighty good in blue.  His name is Dominique Ferguson, currently the 8th ranked player in the 2010 class, a 6'9", 210# program-changer out of Lawrence North in Indianapolis.  Kentucky pried him away from the foul clutches of Traitor Rick, Thad Matta, Koach K, Billy Donovan, John Calipari, and Gillispie's nuveau riche mentor, Bill Self.

You may remember another couple of players out of Lawrence North that did pretty well, a certain Greg Oden and Mike Conley.  You may also remember that one of Tubby Smith's biggest early recruits, John Stewart, went tho Lawrence North and tragically perished after collapsing in what was to be one of his last high school games.  Ferguson will be Gillispie's third 5-star player recruited in 4 classes, and the 2009 class hardly counts because it is so small.

There can be no doubt that the fears and recriminations we have been reading (and perhaps, to some extent, feeling) have been misplaced and the seemingly long night is officially over for Kentucky basketball recruiting with this most recent news.  Recall that in a recent post, I said that nobody is going to beat Gillispie for a recruit by out-working him.  Seems like the the harder he works, the luckier he gets.

We still have questions about next year's team -- will Jasper transfer?  Will we bring another guard, or stand pat with what we have?  If Jasper stays, there is no real reason to recruit another guard.  After having seen Liggins play in the Derby Classic, I am not concerned at all about our ability to get the ball up the court and get it in scoring position.

But I am not concerned in either case.  Gillispie is showing me, every day, that he knows the shape he wants for next year's team given the constraints of scholarship and a very shallow talent pool.  We got the best player available for the hole we had in our lineup, and that is all you can ask for.  Convincing a genuine top talent to come at the same time is the kind of giddy bonus we all hoped we would get when Billy Gillispie was entrusted with the job of restoring the Big Blue Nation to the top of college basketball.

It hasn't left the station yet, but the Big Blue Train is gathering steam ...

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Harrellson
Rated #25 JuCo by Hoopmasters. Few services list him becuase he is JC frosh. Most only list JC sophs in their rankings.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 29, 2008 11:13 PM EDT   0 recs

We aren't finished...
according to a lot of insiders on various UK message boards (KYInk, TCP).

In addition to the two commitments today, Jon Hood, a 2009 SG out of Madisonville, admitted that Kentucky was in the lead for his services at Matt Jone's site and stated that he wants to make his decision this summer.

Also, according to Marc Maggard, Vinny Zollo will be taking an un-official visit to Kentucky to talk with Gillispie and will likely give his verbal commitment on that visit. Vinny is a 2011 combo forward whose game is in the vein of Dirk Nowitzki. He is projected as a 5-star, "elite top 20 player", according to Maggard.

It's been a great day.

by BBallSophist on Apr 29, 2008 11:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Zollo Has Previously Visited UK
Hails from Greenfield OH (north of Dayton). HS freshman this year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 29, 2008 11:31 PM EDT   0 recs

That is
correct. He visited last year during Big Blue Madness. According to Maggard, his alleged verbal is as close to a done deal as is possible in recruiting.

by BBallSophist on Apr 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah ...
Forgive me if I don't take the words "Maggard" "Done" and "Deal" quite as seriously as I once did.

The Online home of Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Apr 30, 2008 12:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Listen
I'm not going to get into a "he said/she said" battle here over the accuracy of Maggard's info...I do want to emphasize that he never said it was a done deal. He said: "There likely won't be anything closer to being a 'done deal'", just to clarify. He rarely, if ever, gives "done deal" predictions. He only reports what he hears, and in recruiting things can change really quickly, but it seems as if he knows and speaks to Vinny and the Zollo family often. That's all I'll say on the subject.

by BBallSophist on Apr 30, 2008 12:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And yet...
...I think you just did.

I think he's a great resource. I just think it's funny the cults of personality that emerge when someone claims insider status.

Would that a weatherman could be wrong as often as the recruiting insiders!

And before you lose a kidney, I check all those rumors. I just think it's funny, that's all.

The Online home of Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Apr 30, 2008 5:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Looking like ...
... with almost any coaching change, the real turnaround is 2-3 years.

Gillispie is looking at JUCOs to bring the overall experience and talent level up immediately, with the big recruiting haul set to arrive in 2010, or year 4.

That doesn't mean (a) you can't win before then or (b) you mail in the other classes.

But it shows you just how long it takes to get into a recruit's real possible choices.

The Online home of Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Apr 30, 2008 12:03 AM EDT   0 recs

Agree
These coaches are getting on players earlier and earlier.

A rapid turnaround is especially tough with the UK situation.  When Gillispie took over, he had a glut of freshmen and sophomores but no real junior class (Carter gets his medical extension), and just 2 seniors.  With the recruiting and associated planning coming earlier and earlier, it makes it hard to have a rapid turnaround when you can only replace 2 players in an orderly way in two years.  
Sure, players transfer for various reasons, but you just can't plan for, or recruit for unexpected events.

by EEWildcat on Apr 30, 2008 12:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Purdue, My Alma Mater
7 W in Gene Keady's last season. 8 W in Matt Painter's 1st season. Way down.

22 W his 2nd year. 25 W this year. Way up. Right away.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 30, 2008 12:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Purdue definitely on the upswing
Yeah, Purdue's definitely getting better.  The Big 10 is not super strong so it's hard to go by wins alone, but 1 win/year for 2 years in the NCAA tournament is darn good starting two years from a 7-win season in the Big 10.

There is that other coach too, I can't remember his name, he had remarkable turnarounds at both UTEP and Texas A&M in his first or second season there, and sustained the success.

by EEWildcat on Apr 30, 2008 12:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It Can Be Done At Places With Low Expectations
UTEP 6 W to 24 W. TAMU 7 W to 21 W. Or even Minnesota 9 W to 20 W.

Good coaches win 20+ wherever they coach.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 30, 2008 6:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

When we take ...
a look at the Majok recruitment, the Harrellson recruitment, and the Dominique Ferguson recruitment, it isn't hard to see that recruits that you have been on a long time are much more likely to matriculate.  When you are going up against other elite schools like UConn, UNC, Duke, etc., it becomes, to my mind, the absolutely deciding factor.  

Bottom line -- if a coach has been on Player X a long time and he is from a quality institution, your odds of getting him late are very small.

With Harrellson, everybody was on him about the same amount of time, but we weren't going up against a Kansas or North Carolina, so the UK brand really played a big role in that.

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 30, 2008 9:32 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I Don't Agree With That
Look at Tubby in Minnesota.

He landed 5 quality recruits last fall. POY in Canada. National POY in JuCo. 2 good post players. And quality JuCo frosh.

And a 6th quality recruit to announce next week.

Already landed Top 50 rated recruit for 2009. With another Top 50 recruit (2009) expected next week (or two).

If Tubby can land quality recruits there right away...

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 30, 2008 12:10 AM EDT   0 recs

Tubby's Roster in Minnesota
Yes, Tubby is recruiting well in Minnesota right now.  What you are neglecting to consider is the roster that Gillispie has vs the roster that Tubby has.  It was mentioned earlier, but bears repeating that Gillispie has very little wiggle room in these first couple of years due to the glut of sophomores and others with 2 years of eligibility on last year's team.  Gillispie has to free up some room through graduation, transfers, early entries or whatever before he has the full flexibility to recruit.

by chirop1 on Apr 30, 2008 7:59 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Same Thing In Minnesota
3 Seniors, 2 Juniors, 4 Sophs, 2 Frosh there. Leaves 5 open spots for recruits.

(Scholarship players only)

2 Seniors, 1 Junior, 5 Sophs, 3 Frosh at UK. Leaves 4 open spots for recruits.

 

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 30, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Blue Jean Jerseys?
So with the commitment of Josh harrelson does that mean that we could be seeing the blue jean jersey's that slick rick made the Cats wear one season?

I mean they would match his jorts so that he would feel more at home.

Neil Carter

by KingKentucky on Apr 30, 2008 12:56 AM EDT   0 recs

Heh ...
I remember those things.

Back then, we were so hot, even the crazy things seemed cool ...

:-)

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 30, 2008 6:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Harrellson to Start
Gillispie planning to start Harrellson (according to Harrellson's comments in the Herald Leader today) gives me visions of the Estill/Bogans and Hayes/Daniels combos.  I can't wait till next season!!!!

by kentuckygirl0724 on Apr 30, 2008 8:59 AM EDT   0 recs

Coach Speak
Harrelson's comment if I'm not mistaken was that "Coach plans to start me and if I don't start its my own fault."  Or something along those lines.  

That's his way of saying "Work hard and you can start... just look at Mark Coury!"  But as we all saw last season, starting spots can be very fluid under CBCG.  I still expect Stevenson to get the start with Harrelson coming off the bench for major minutes.

by chirop1 on Apr 30, 2008 9:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah ...
and I do expect Harrellson to earn that spot.  My read on this guy is that "hard work" is not an epithet to him.  He understands that talent-wise, he is far from the biggest fish in this pond.

But you're right -- Gillispie plays the people he wants, for his own reasons, in which effort in practice seem to figure most prominently.

by Truzenzuzex on Apr 30, 2008 9:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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