Kentucky at South Carolina -- Raising the Titanic

I woke up this morning with the strangest feeling of normalcy. As of right now, I am of the opinion that Kentucky has played itself into an at-large berth in the NCAA tournament, despite the fact that the possibility of that seemed as remote as the planet Pluto only six weeks ago. Yet despite all the, "No way Kentucky gets in" comments from Jay Bilas and others, I think you will find that most people are deserting that position like it was the Titanic. Speaking of the Titanic, I recently came across an article that compared the possibility of Kentucky making the NCAA tournament field to the Titanic coming to the surface. Interesting metaphor.
South Carolina clearly did not bring their best last night. Perhaps it was the emotion of senior night and Dave Odom's last game, or perhaps they were just weary of a long season with little to look forward to except major changes. Sometimes, inevitability is a tremendous weight, and for whatever reason, South Carolina simply failed to fire last night. I never got the feeling that Kentucky was in serious danger of losing that game, even when the Gamecocks made a run and got it down to five in the second half.
Of course, a lot of that was due to Kentucky doing what it does -- smothering half-court defense and excellent shooting. Joe Crawford finally had a night I had been expecting from him all year, and he exploded for 35 points, about 10 of them in an unconscious stretch in the second half that, but for a missed 30 footer at the end, was almost as amazing as Tayshaun Prince's five threes against North Carolina in Rupp Arena some years back. I don't think Gillispie was very happy with that last shot, but after the 28 footer that he swished the possession before, who can really blame joe for thinking he was momentarily possessed by the Wildcat spirit that powered Tayshaun's amazing game?
As well as Joe played, I thought Ramon Harris deserved the game ball. He simply made Devan Downey disappear, and did so despite a quickness advantage by Downey that is almost too great to be measured. Harris was simply relentless guarding Downey, and the amazing point guard got very little done. Then there was Ramel Bradley, who quietly managed to score 20 points and played another fine basketball game. Even Michael Porter contributed with solid play. Not only that, Porter apparently played several minutes with a separated shoulder that he simply didn't tell the coaching staff about until after the game.
It's stories like this that are causing this particular UK team to become perhaps them most loved group since the Unforgettables. I know this gets bandied about a lot, but the Cats have had nothing in recent history that could even remotely be compared to that legendary team, and with the hole these guys started out in and the injuries they've suffered, there is no other team in Kentucky history that more resembles that legendary group. Kentucky's grit has fueled the imagination of fans around the Commonwealth, and that feels really good after we were all gnashing our teeth in December.
A quick perusal of the game statistics shows that Kentucky had a remarkable 65% eFG% and held USC to only 44.1% eFG. Given that, you would think the Cats blew the Gamecocks out of the water, but Kentucky turned the ball over, as it usually does, and gave the Gamecocks an astonishing 21 more attempts at the basket. Think about that -- you are playing a guy one on one to 10 by ones and you give him 5 extra shots -- how many of those do you think you'd win? That just further illustrates the remarkable defense Kentucky played last night.
Kentucky did have an edge on the glass, although the Gamecocks came away with 12 offensive rebounds, doubling up the Wildcats. Derrick Jasper continues his outstanding rebounding with seven, and three blocks to go along with them. Although he only scored a couple of points, Jasper continues to make himself felt in every game. Perry Stevenson claimed six rebounds and two blocks, and only two points. We see here that third scoring options are very hard to come by with this UK team, and despite their great games against Tennessee, Jasper and Stevenson cannot be relied on to do it every night. Then again, when you have two guards scoring 55 of your team's 71 points (77% of the total points) and shooting 53%, you don't need that much out of everyone else.
Great win by the Wildcats. Next up, the Florida Gators, owner of a 7-game winning streak against the Cats. While I believe UK is definitely in the tourney now, losing to the Gators could change that calculation for the worse. But for now, let's celebrate this big win, and an 11-4 record.
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Missed You Guys!
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 6, 2008 8:56 AM EST reply actions
have I got this right?
by cat woman on Mar 6, 2008 9:04 AM EST reply actions
Gillispie said
"Gillispie said it should be hard for anyone to ignore what the Wildcats have done in the SEC. If other games break right for Kentucky, Gillispie points out a win Sunday at home over Florida could give his team a share of the SEC title."
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 6, 2008 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
IF...
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 6, 2008 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
UT has first locked up tight now.
I think the UK game will be a good game. Both teams will be very highly motivated to win.
by David Hooper on Mar 6, 2008 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Actually...
Yep...
UK is 6-3 vs. East Div., Vandy is 7-3 (per secsports.com)
Tiebreakers according to secsports.com:
1. head-to-head; 2. division record (10 games); 3. record vs. No. 1 team in division proceeding through the No. 6 team if necessary; 4. non-division record (6 games); 5. record vs. No. 1 team in the opposite division proceeding through the No. 6 team if necessary; 6. coin flip by the Commissioner.
by bluenva on Mar 6, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I have
Florida will be a tough game, but I feel pretty good about it. I am amazed with Ramon's play of late, and I really think sticking him on Calethes would be a great idea.
Missed the game last night
I love this team deeply and truly. They just keep scrapping and playing hard. I think anyone who said that Tubby was "ran off" by the fans because of wins and losses or playing style needs to take a hard look at the reaction this team is getting. This team has a lot of losses, plays a slow-down game... but we LOVE them! All Kentucky fans have ever wanted was effort and a clear desire from the players to be wearing the blue and white. This team shows that like no other team in the last several years. Its all we've been asking for.
5th Region KY HS
AND, like Tru, I'm a Hilltopper, too!
Go Cats!
by johnr on Mar 6, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
5th Region
Anyways, this was the first region tourney game I'd been to in years. It was something to see the banner hanging there for Tick Rogers Mr. Basketball '92. Central beat Nelson Co last night to get their first ever region win. They'll play Adair county on Monday. (The game is at 5:30 though... who the hell plans on putting high school games at 5:30???) Green meets Elizabethtown tonight. From what I understand, I think Adair is supposed to be the favorite to head to the Sweet 16.
Hilltopper Cat Fans
I went to graduate school at an unmentionable (shall we say diabolical) elite hoops university where I made many new friends who quickly became nuts about college hoops, and who now have moved on to other places and show no interest whatsoever in college hoops.
(I now live in a place with no basketball culture, and I have three friends who have degrees from Vanderbilt, none of whom cared to watch the UT-Vandy game last week.)
by johnr on Mar 6, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
My wife is a Hilltopper...
One thing I will say, WKU has an amazing alumni system here in the central part of the state. Far larger than either of the "Big Two" state schools.
2005 Team
The 2006 and 2007 teams less so.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2008 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
One other comment...
Finally
On the "whether we get in our not" I truly hope come next Sunday the 16th.....we can say without one doubt that we are in because we have won the SEC championship.
BCG was interviewed on ESPN radio
by Stinky Blue on Mar 6, 2008 11:07 AM EST reply actions
I agree with that, but...
Pluto is no longer a planet.
by Kilgore Trout on Mar 6, 2008 11:08 AM EST reply actions
Pluto
Terrific Game
I don't remember him having any direct influence immediately after coming back into the game, but he does so many of those "things that don't show up in the box score" that indirectly helps the offense that it's noticeable when he is not on the court.
And what kind of guts and toughness does Michael Porter have? It must be that football mentality leftover from high school. I hope he gets better soon, because he's played some quality minutes these last 2 games. What's a separated shoulder like? Is it something that can get popped back into place and used again quickly?
I separated a shoulder once while rock climbing.
It popped right back in place as soon as I was able to get the pressure off of it. (That's not always how it works, but getting the shoulder back in usually isn't too hard.) I would imagine that his shoulder went right back into place within a few seconds of the separation, which would suggest that the separation wasn't too bad. It's enough of a shock that you wouldn't want to use it while it's still separated - not too painful, really, but disconcerting.
For me, the shoulder was rather sore for a few days afterward; I didn't put much strain on it, but kept it flexible for the next few days. I'd say after about 3 or 4 days it was fine again. So long as nothing was torn, he should be back to full form by Florida.
The other question is whether he's had a history of shoulder separations. Each time a shoulder separates, it's a little easier for it to occur again. As well-conditioned as most athletes are now, it shouldn't be a problem. But that's really the only concern I would have (and I don't even think that's a concern).
by David Hooper on Mar 6, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Not separation
Ah, thanks.
by David Hooper on Mar 6, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Dislocation
A dislocation is what allowed Mel Gibson to get out of that straight jacket in Lethal Weapon 2. Clearly a useful ability to have.
following up
I think a lot of Ky basketball fans are overall pretty proud of the success of other SEC teams,
(except of course when they actually beat the Cats). If Kentucky can't make a Final Four, then I always hope another SEC team does, because it speaks well for our conference.
Although I live in Gator country, I am not as much of a Gator fan as I used to be. Originally they were my second-favorite team, because I thought of BD as sort of an adopted Ky. son. But sometimes individual personalities can turn you off and Noah certainly ruined my feelings about Gators. Also, I have always been pretty positive about UT, although I will admit that your current coach's style can be a little over the top and off-putting. And Stallings comes across as pretty arrogant, too.
But overall, I don't really have a lot of issues with other SEC teams...I have issues with DOOK and their obnoxious student body and with Traitor Rick, because he betrayed us and women never forgive basketball infidelity.
by cat woman on Mar 6, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
sweet
Amen, sister
: )
by blue kentucky girl on Mar 6, 2008 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
then you will appreciate
:)
by cat woman on Mar 6, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Most welcome.
/group hug
For the most part, it seems that basketball fandom is a lot more courteous in the SEC than football fandom. I think a lot of people here would prefer to see UK win than a non-SEC team (particularly those to the east of Tennessee...) I can, however, see how Pearl can seem over-the-top to those outside of Knoxville. Around here, he's absolutely beloved because he energizes the fans and he puts a dazzling team on the floor. When he comes down from his coaching high he's really a very personable and considerate man, but that's not often seen outside our local broadcasts.
That last line is gold, though. Pure gold. :)
by David Hooper on Mar 6, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
in support of Pearl
I have spent some time around Bobby Knight and know that one-on-one he is a gentleman and a very kind hearted person. I have assumed that the "used car salesman/televangelist personality" Pearl puts on for the media is mostly a role he steps into in order to accomplish what he needs to do...and look how very well it has worked for him, so far.
What was the general reaction to his comment about why UK picked Bradley over Lofton? Were the UT fans offended? It was a very gracious statement and sounded genuine, but I felt sorry for Lofton.
by cat woman on Mar 6, 2008 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody was offended as far as I know.
"Some of the Kentucky players really stepped up," said Pearl. "Ramel Bradley showed why Kentucky took him and not Chris Lofton. Coming out of New York, he was the best point guard in the nation."
Here in UT, the whole Lofton/UK thing doesn't really have much impact. Other than it being something we can use to annoy Kentucky fans if we have to, we're just happy to have Lofton and leave it at that.
But I think Pearl's persona has been around for much longer than UT. To listen to fans of UWM, they recount the same experience we have. (Many of them now follow UT basketball because of him.) He certainly doesn't try to be obnoxious, even though it'd be easy to interpret his actions that way.
by David Hooper on Mar 6, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
there were many Kentucky fans
And your point about Pearl is well made. Now that I think of it, I remember him from what I used to call the University of Evansville, (old age) and he had a lot of flash when he was there, too. That was him, wasn't it?
I say, blame the media for making an issue of Lofton at UT, because it is not something Cat fans resent, only lament.
I was genuinely impressed by Pearl's statement about Bradley. And speaking of impressive, I visited your blog...very nice!
I am shutting down for tonight...but I will catch up to you again.
Thanks for the good b.ball conversation. My dad, a great UK fan, died a few years ago; I live down here in Gator land, and a Sea of Blue fills an important void in life for people who understand loving college ball and loving the Cats.
by cat woman on Mar 6, 2008 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Conversation pleasure is mine, too.
In the interest of honesty, Rocky Top Talk is not my blog. Joel is the sole proprietor, but it's the place I do most of my commenting and he's gracious enough to allow me to contribute from time to time. It was Joel's kind words for Tru that first got me to check this place out.
I'll probably swing back through during the tourneys. To all UK fans here: I wish you and your team the best of luck. I love their refusal to quit. And yes, Ashley Judd is cute. ;)
by David Hooper on Mar 6, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Pearl
Also, his quote about Bradley, while kind, is not exactly true. Rivals had Bradley ranked 91st in the country.
Separated shoulder
There are different degrees of it. A Grade I injury is basically just an overstretching of the ligaments that hold it together; other than being sore, its not a big problem. Grade II involves some tearing, but not complete; it requires rest and some rehab to strengthen it. A Grade III is a complete tear of it; you can usually see the far end of the collar bone pop up and you can easily press down on it and feel it move; that's a surgical case.
I'd say Porter has either a Grade I or II just based off the comments I read here. If it was a Grade III, I don't think he'd be playing (but it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility).
Jasper is invaluable
Regarding the turnovers, our numbers are high but how much of that is do to the way we run our offense. We don't run down and jack up the first three like a lot of teams. To shoot a high precentage you have to handle the ball and work for the best possible shot. The more passes you make the more opportunities for turnovers. I'm not saying we are a great ball handling team but I think our turnover number is a tradoff with our ability to dictate tempo and shoot a good percentage.
Porter is gritty..
by BeatUL on Mar 6, 2008 12:16 PM EST reply actions
Just maybe
Conference title ...
We won/shared the SEC regular season crown in 2000 and in 2001.
UT has the regular season crown sewn up.
The Online home of Big Blue Nation ...
Conference tourney, right?
by David Hooper on Mar 6, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
2008 UK = statistical anomaly
I decided to collect some data and see what has happened in the past. Using Ken Pomeroy's web site, I built a data set of all teams in the 6 power conferences from 1999 to 2007, and then I calculated (1) their non-conference win pct, and (2) their in-conf win pct.
The data show that what Kentucky has done this year (disparity between non-conf and conference records) is very rare. However, there have been teams that have done similar things.
For example....well, actually, maybe I'll do a separate post on this.... :)
The data are not exactly what I wanted -- I think that the W-L records (pct) that I collected actually included post-season play. (Thus partially explaining why I stopped with the job half-done.)
Anyway, I'd like to (1) add a 3-way variable to the data set indicating whether the team got invited to the tourney as an automatic bid, or as an at-large bid, or did not make the tourney, and (2) run a scatterplot of conf win pct vs. non-conf win pct with the point markers on the plot indicating the variable from (1). Hmmm, when am I going to do that....
by johnr on Mar 6, 2008 3:24 PM EST reply actions
scatterplot
- Anybody know where I can get a simple, text list in an internet, non-pdf file, of each team that got into the tourney, by year, since 1999? Even better would be if it indicated at-large vs. automatic bids.
- If I created a scatterplot in MS Excel, would there be a way to post it here?
by johnr on Mar 6, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well ...
If you send me an excel file and the text, I will post it for you.
Dancing with Numbers
Say your team hails from a flagship public university with a proud sports tradition, and after a very rough start, you righted the ship during conference play (in your power conference). You finish the season strong, winning 8 out of the last 10.
But the naysayers won't stop. Only 18 wins? A losing non-conference record! A couple of strong wins in conference, but losses in both matchups against strong teams from other power conferences. For heaven's sake, you lost 3 games to teams that aren't even in the top 100! Including San Diego! You lost to Houston!
Do you get invited to the Big Dance? Of course you do, 1999 Texas Longhorns. (Even though you only won one game in your conference tournament, losing in the second round of the conf tourney to 5th seeded conf team.)
But what if you are not the 1999 Texas Longhorns? What if you are a different team....
You have a losing record (with one more loss than wins) in non-conference play, including a loss to a team not in the top 100, and losses in every inter-conference matchup against strong competition (including being manhandled by the ACC powerhouse). Only two wins against top-50 competition all season. But, alas, you finished strong in conference, going 8-2 down the stretch and finishing 12-4 in conference, 17-10 overall.
You won your game against a weak opponent in the conference tournament, but you didn't win the second round game.
Do you get invited to the big dance as an at-large selection? Of course, you do, 2004 Michigan State Spartans!
These two anecdotes are based on my examination of the performances of teams in the six power conferences over the 9 seasons ending from 1999 to 2007.
In these nine seasons, only two teams (out of 620) from the 6 power conferences finished below .500 in non-conference play but above .700 in conference. I just described them, and they both got in -- as #7 seeds.
by johnr on Mar 6, 2008 5:24 PM EST reply actions
Incredible
wow
by blue kentucky girl on Mar 6, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
seeding
We need to beat Florida and win one more game in the conf tournament for me to feel good about this.
by johnr on Mar 6, 2008 6:49 PM EST reply actions
But at least the NCAA wants Kentucky in.
I think the extra day they have to decide the seeding will work in UK's favor. They'll have a longer time to figure out a justification for UK that would sound plausible, even if UK turns out to be a really sketchy addition.
by David Hooper on Mar 6, 2008 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Im not so sure,
by cdnWildcatfan on Mar 7, 2008 5:15 AM EST up reply actions

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