Mississippi Valley State 65, Kentucky 88: Post Mortem
A big thanks to Mississippi Valley State and Unforgettable Sean Woods for coming into Rupp Arena and giving the Wildcats a game. It was pretty much over midway through the second half, but the MVSU players hustled and played hard in the style of Rick Pitino, pressing and shooting the three. The three was good to MVSU, as it kept them close in the first half.
This game went pretty much as I expected. The 'Cats were noticably dull and unmotivated after the disappointment of last night, to nobody's surprise. I really don't know how many valid conclusions can be drawn from this game, but I continue to be impressed by DeAndre Liggins. Jodie Meeks found his shooting eye again, but other than that, it's really hard to take much away. But for what they are worth, here are my thoughts:
Positives:
- DeAndre Liggins -- He played an uneven game, but he demonstrated why he was such a highly coveted recruit with his passing and running the break. His effort today was inconsistent and marred by typical freshman bad decisions, but his net impact on the team was a very big positive.
- Landon Sloan -- I thought Sloan played well, overall. I was surprised to see him in the game so early, but he performed pretty well.
- Josh Harrellson -- I thought Harrellson played well, especially on defense.
- Perry Stevenson -- Stevenson was solid if unspectacular. I think he must have had 3 or 4 blocks and pulled down many rebounds.
- Consistent effort to get the ball into the post. I liked that. It wasn't always successful, but I appreciated the effort.
- Turnovers -- MVSU is a quick, pressure team, and we mostly handled it very well.
- Free throw shooting -- We continue to shoot from the line very well.
Negatives:
- Continued discordant offense -- I just saw too much weirdness in this offense, I can't quite put my finger on it.
- Patrick Patterson's post position -- Patterson continues to post up weakly, which accounted for a number of failed entry passes.
- Darius Miller -- Darius lacks any semblance of confidence. He badly needs a break to rebuild it.
- Michael Porter -- Porter had a poor game and turned the ball over a lot. He also got beat of the dribble too much. Broken record.
- Rebounding -- UK allowed far too many offensive rebounds for my taste.
- Offensive execution -- Too many three point shots for facing a team that was giving away too much size.
- Three point defense -- MVSU rained threes on us.
Other observations:
- Did Gillispie ever get up off the bench?
- He starts Galloway both halves for about 2 minutes each. Why?
- This team looks rudderless to me.
- The team looked a bit fatigued to me. 5 games in eight days is a lot.
That's about all I have for now. Your observations are welcome
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Great write-up Tru....
Scoring update:
Steelers—-6
Cowboys-13 7:15 4thQ
Fla. St.—26
Florida—25 half time…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Dec 7, 2008 7:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Scoring update:
Steelers—-13
Cowboys—13 2:00 4thQ
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Dec 7, 2008 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanx to our D....
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Dec 7, 2008 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
poor post feeding
i saw that u wrote that u think p pat is posting up weak, and i agree to a certain extent. While that is a problem, i think the main reason he is struggling is bc our guards either aren’t looking to get it into him, can’t get it to him fast enough, or just lack the playmaking ability to feed the post.
by hummer11092 on Dec 7, 2008 7:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't disagree more
Last year Bradley and Crawford never looked for Patrick, but he was posting and reposting and constantly demanding the ball. Despite the fact that neither of them ever looked to get him the ball, PPat never stopped fighting in the blocks for position. When he did get the ball, he finished strong. That’s what made me love the kid, he worked every trip down the floor.
At some point over the summer, someone kidnapped Patterson and replaced him with Randolph Morris. He isn’t making moves for the ball. He isn’t sealing off his man. He isn’t finishing strong. I don’t know if its lingering physical effects of the injury or just not having played basketball for months, but something is different about his game this year.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Dec 8, 2008 8:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are absolutely correct.
Patrick is not what he was last year. If you can’t see the lack of offensive activity of which Chirop so aptly speaks, just look at the fact that he is being consistently outrebounded by both Harrellson and Stevenson in rebounds per forty minutes, and see how many offensive rebounds he is letting the other teams grab.
It’s scary how much he has lost, particularly when you don’t know why.
by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 8, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mental Recovery
The physical recovery from injury takes a shorter time than full recovery. The mental part is tougher and longer. Rarely does a player do better the year after an injury but rather the following year.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 8, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The psychological damage takes longer to heal. From Patterson’s point of view: I worked my tail off all the time last year, and what did it get me? An injury that knocked me out of post season play and of even walking onto the court for six months. So why should I get all enthused to go all out all the time now when it could just lead to another debilitating injury?
Also in the back of his mind: “I played well enough last year to get myself into the NBA; I just need to play well enough in spurts this year to show the NBA scouts what I can do; I don’t have to go out all the time.” It’s the attitude copped by Rondo and Morris. I don’t want to knock Patterson; I’m just suggesting what could be going on in his head. He may be fighting it, but it could be happening.
I think we will see more effort as the season progresses.
by Fortunatus on Dec 8, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Scoring update:
Steelers—-20
Cowboys—13 1:30 4thQ
THAT"S WHAT I"M TALKING ABOUT..!!!!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Dec 7, 2008 7:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
FINAL SCORE:
Steelers—20
Cowboys-13
Defense wins championships..!
Let’s go for one for the “other” thumb…
(sorry, I know this is a UK blog, but I’m too excited, I’ll stop now)
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Dec 7, 2008 7:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Defense wins championships..!
…as a point of healthy perspective….given all the offensive struggles UK has had, in comparison, the defense hasn’t been all that bad over the last few games. Certainly there are areas for improvement such as perimeter defense, but all in all, not so bad. Go Colts.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Dec 7, 2008 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BG is a Bobby Knight
and thinks he is above the fanbase and convential wisdom.Let us just see how it plays out.
by -Zoso- on Dec 7, 2008 8:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game
and had a pretty good seat.
I didnt see the effort to get the ball into the post unless you mean the numerous horrendous passes over the top that were extremely poor passes and will be turnovers against better teams. I saw numerous instances where Pat or Harrleson would have their man sealed and our fellas where not making the effort to get the rock to them. I also saw Patterson not work as hard to get open and agree that he isnt hustling as much to seal his man.
My other observation was WHY IS PORTER STILL IN THE GAME!!! I dont get it. I just fail to understand why he gets the minutes he does. He offers nothing that Liggins didnt and Slone even had more impact on the game than Porter did. He would be a good back up getting about 12-15 minutes a game but I fail to see why G keeps on playing him.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Dec 7, 2008 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Porter
I have defended Porter in the past, but no longer can. He may be a great kid, a decent athelete, and show some hustle at times, but he just isn’t capable at this level. I give up on him, period.
by bigbluestu on Dec 7, 2008 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think we are going to be seeing less of Porter..
maybe he can walk on or earn a football scholarship. I can’t imagine he is having much fun playing basketball at UK, he is so in over his head. He was never ready for UK ; only San Jose State offered him a basketball scholarship before UK did… he never should have been pursuaded to make this step.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Dec 7, 2008 9:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hogwash
Above AND below.
California and Stanford both offered him a basketball scholarship.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 7, 2008 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct Again!
He was also being recruited by USC in football. I have NO idea of the seriousness in that.
Brooks might be able to use him next year.
Changing how you think will change what you think.
by wilson452 on Dec 8, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Led State Of California (DB In HS) In Interceptions In 2005
2-year All-Stater in football, 2004 and 2005. Skipped football in his senior year.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 8, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are wrong once again...
maybe you dont read very carefully. ONLY SJS offered him BEFORE UK…
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Dec 9, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not True
Both of the schools that I listed above also offered him before he committed to UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 9, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea about that ...
… but I would be surprised.
Porter is certainly worthy of minutes. I just don’t think he is the right guy at point guard. He didn’t have a good game today.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 8, 2008 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont agree
what has he done to deserve minutes besides maybe play hard in practice.. just watch, his role will diminish. Hey, I want the kid to succeed.. but the reality is what it is,
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Dec 9, 2008 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Prior UK Coach
Had Porter in the correct role. Back-up G behind Crawford, Bradley, Jasper, Meeks in 2006-07. About 10 minutes PT per game.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 9, 2008 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is there a rule
somewhere in the Kentucky bylaws that states we have to have a theoretically gifted shooting but otherwise athletically overmatched white kid starting at all times? Porter doesn’t even deserve a scholarship.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Dec 7, 2008 10:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Utterly Ridiculous
Perhaps the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 7, 2008 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Porter
IS certainly deserving of his scholarship he just isnt able to handle the workload Coach is giving him. As Forsty as said before he would be a good backup option.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Dec 8, 2008 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Porter
Sheesh….maybe we should give this kid a break and appreciate what he is doing….and that is playing a position that has been asked of him!!!! He’s not a point guard…he is a 2-guard. I don’t think he ever went to Gillispie and said….‘Please, please coach let ME play the point guard…I am better than everyone else…’ For crying out loud.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Dec 8, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
He is playing out of position, and that’s why he is struggling.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 8, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That ...
… is just too close to bashing. I won’t have that here.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 8, 2008 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. But not for much longer.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 8, 2008 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got it.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 8, 2008 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Epic failure...
In my eyes thats what this weekend was. We got some exposure in Vegas last week and the Miami game would have been icing on the cake. I believe that if we had beaten Miami, we may have been looking at a top 25 matchup against Louisville. Now the only chance we have of cracking that list is with a win against Louisville or a strong run in the SEC, most likely that latter. This Miami game was a way to get us a win on sportscenter, give us much needed confidence, and, finally, a win against a quality, ranked non conference opponent. So with this loss, we are doomed to national irrelevancy until no sooner than January.
Our offense should be better than this. We need Miller to shoot the ball or drive it hard into the lane. It seems like everytime he gets the ball he hesitates and just looks lost. He is too good to not be putting up some shots every night. Slone was really impressive today, he took some good shots and he didn’t seem to be a liability on the defensive end. I think we may be seeing more of him as we need all the help we can get on the perimeter.
Overall, I still see this season coming out ok. Our turnovers haven’t been as much of an issue over the past few games, but now more issues are showing through that will hopefully be fixed. Something has got to be done about our perimeter defense, I believe that if this is fixed we can get by with some of the other problems.
by the spork on Dec 7, 2008 11:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am not seeing an epic failure....
What I am seeing is a team who is getting used to each other, who is incredibly young, with an incredibly young coach who is under an immense amount of pressure. Do I agree with all of the decisions CBCG has made, absolutely not, but I do think that his basketball knowledge trumps anyone on this board, unless you have coached NCAA Div I basketball, and in that case, I do apologize. In my honest opinion, I don’t think Coach views the season through the same lens that we as fans do. I think he is looking for leadership and role players first and foremost, even at the expense of an early loss, after all, it’s not where you start but where you finish. Could the recent much improved play of Liggins be attributed to the fact that Porter HAS been starting (however good or bad that may be) and it’s been made clear that the PG positon is Liggins spot to earn as a freshman, not Porter’s as an upperclassman. Maybe that is what has been Liggin’s driving force? I don’t know, but as a former athlete, I can tell you that ego management is just as important as any other facet of any sport. One thing i feel we can forget is that we don’t know these players personally. We have no idea what makes them tick. Maybe handing Liggins the PG position without some humility involved is a horrible mistake. What if he becomes the next Roderick Rhodes? Ultimately, whatever the reasons are, I trust CBCG as he has done nothing but prove himself everywhere else with half the resources as he has now. It might take some time, but this team will mesh better than last year’s. We don’t have the luxury of all 5 returning starters coming back for their junior and senior years like UNC does. What we do have is the element of surprise, just like last year. If everyone can stay healthy, I still believe by tournament time, few will want to guard Meeks, post up on Patterson or Harrelson, or take Ramon to the hole…. or take on Gillispie’s coaching tactics… I think Coach functions much better as the underdog, I don’t think he knows how to handle himself yet on top… which I am personally fine with. I could be wrong though! I can’t be negative though, because it ruins everything that Kentucky Basketball means to me. Sorry for the rant, haven’t posted here in a while!!!!
I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange!
by sleepytimetea on Dec 8, 2008 4:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
?
Never said this season was a loss, in fact i say the opposite if you read the entire post. I never questioned BG’s tactics or basketball knowledge, im perfectly fine with him as coach right now. I don’t consider it negative to state a fact. We blew a huge oppurtunity this weekend.
by the spork on Dec 8, 2008 6:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I tend ...
… to agree that we did blow a huge opportunity. But there will be others.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 8, 2008 6:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad ...
… to have you back. Nice comment.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 8, 2008 6:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
9 Games Into 2000-01 Season, UK Was NR With 4-5 Record
UK finished 24-10, ranked #9, and made Sweet 16 as #2 seed after winning SEC and SECT.
UK is 6-3 now.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 8, 2008 6:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Apples to Oranges
Forty, wake up and smell the PRESENT.
The 2000-01 team entered the season with a top 15 ranking if I am not mistaken. Furthermore, that team played a murderous non-conference schedule, with losses to St. Johns, UCLA, Ga. Tech, and Mich. St., as well as a solid WIN over a top-ten ranked UNC team. This year’s team hardly compares to the 2000-01 edition.
by tooblue on Dec 8, 2008 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rated #12 Pre-Season
But it doesn’t matter.
If UK wins SEC and SECT, it will be ranked in Top 25 and earn #3 or #4 seeded NCAA bid.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 8, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Offense May Be the Problem
I not sure last year’s team ever mastered Billy’s offense. It started winning when Crawford and Bradley began taking the ball one-on-one to the basket, and when Jasper returned with his on-court organizational skills. The reason Porter has been playing so much could be that he tries really hard to execute Billy’s offense; the reason that he looks so bad could be that he tries really hard to execute Billy’s offense.
It is possible that Patterson is less enthusiastic about working his tail off getting position this year is because he doesn’t have much confidence that he will get the ball in the half court sets. In contrast, he (Harrellson, too) eagerly runs the court in transition when Liggins is on the floor.
Lack of confidence in the offense could also explain why Meeks is sometimes trigger happy and why Miller seems confused. The problems Liggins and Galloway are having getting off the bench could be that they believe their free-lance game is better than coach’s set offense. When Liggins looks best, it’s in transition or when he’s free-lancing, not when he’s executing the half-court set.
Whatever the reason, we haven’t found a mix of players who can consistently get the ball up the court and get good shots from an offensive set against strong competition.
by Fortunatus on Dec 8, 2008 8:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ok guys...
step back and take a look at the reality here. Gillespie’s Wildcats only have one loss against an unranked team. There are a lot of new pieces in the puzzle this year, just like last year. Yes they are more talented overall, and yes we should have won the Miami game.
However, I believe that this team deserves a just a little more lattitude than they are receiving at this point. I want to win every game just like everyone else, but can you honestly say that this team is playing like a Top 25 team right now? I can’t say that. I can say that they have Top 25 talent, but we ARE talking about freshman here. Just sit back in your easy chair and exercise a little patience. I guarantee you that by the time that the conference schedule starts, Gilespie will have these boys running like a well oiled machine.
One final comment regarding the comment posted in the Miami post mortem…. Gilespie is most definitely not a “not-so-smart” coach. He has demonstrated a considerable amount of intelligence in getting the guys he had last year to play well together when it counted most. Also, every single comment I have heard from people close to Gilespie has an abundance of respect for the man’s intelligence.
The next time you feel like ripping Gilespie for his coaching decisions, just remember how proud you were of the team come tourney time last year, and how frustrated you were in November and December last year. Maybe that will put some perspective into your feelings.
GO CATS!!
GO BIG BLUE!! Long Live Coach G (so long as he wears KY blue)!!!
by bluebloodtoo on Dec 8, 2008 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
However, I believe that this team deserves a just a little more lattitude than they are receiving at this point. I want to win every game just like everyone else, but can you honestly say that this team is playing like a Top 25 team right now? I can’t say that. I can say that they have Top 25 talent, but we ARE talking about freshman here. Just sit back in your easy chair and exercise a little patience. I guarantee you that by the time that the conference schedule starts, Gilespie will have these boys running like a well oiled machine.
My opinion, right or wrong, is that both last year’s team and this years team have underachieved in the soft early season. Last year is mostly forgivable (except for Gardner-Webb), but this year, much less so.
I hope you’re right about the future. I do. I even believe you are right, but I am casting a more baleful stare at Gillispie’s coaching this year than last.
As to last year, I was only proud because the team looked so unfortunate, and to be perfectly honest, it was unfortunate due to serious health and depth issues. Ken Pomeroy (the real one) has opined that the 12-4 record Kentucky amassed last year was the most misleading statistic all year by any team, and I understand why. This team doesn’t have a health problem, but it does have a youth problem once you get past the starting five. But youth problems should be much easier to fix, and I believe Gillispie has made some dubious coaching decisions that may have cost us as many as two games. That’s not a feeling I want to have.
I don’t need much reason to go back to drinking the Gillispie Kool-Aid — In fact, I’m begging for a reason to do so. Begging.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 8, 2008 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is my belief...
that Gillispie’s approach to early season is largely to blame for the losses insofar as BCG seems to focus more on the end of the season rather than the beginning. I think his strategy in the early season has more to do with teaching than winning, which is why some of his decisions don’t seem to make much sense to those fans looking for pure wins.
It seems to me that if I critique his coaching decisions with the mantra of “the ends justify the means”, then they begin to make a lot more sense. I also believe that he doesn’t allow the players to play full speed for the whole game. I believe that he is attempting to teach the players how to control the tempo of the game and create more like 5 mini games inside of one game. It’s apparent that these boys can play in the second half, because the seem to turn it on every single game in the second half like somebody flipped a switch. I believe this is more of a coaching strategy than a failure to execute in the first half. Maybe he holds them back too long , or maybe he is attempting to put them into pressure situations so that they learn how to play with pressure. Either way, if you look at the bigger picture, i think you will find that my theories have a good chance of being correct.
GO BIG BLUE!! Long Live Coach G (so long as he wears KY blue)!!!
by bluebloodtoo on Dec 9, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry ...
… but that just makes no sense to me, and seems way too complicated for someone like Gillispie.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 9, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To prove my theory below...
start tracking the team or player stats on a time line throughout the game. If I’m correct, you will see several stats in groups. For example, I would be willing to bet that the transition baskets, steals and defensive stats would show up grouped late in the second half. I believe that the opposing team offensive stats would look great in the first half.
GO BIG BLUE!! Long Live Coach G (so long as he wears KY blue)!!!
by bluebloodtoo on Dec 9, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exact Opposite Of What He Did At UTEP And TAMU
His teams there clobbered OOC opponents and tailed off in conference play and postseason.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 9, 2008 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Red is the new black...
Could Porter be the new Coury?
Last year and, so far, this year, slow starts have contributed mightily to the Cat’s ineffectiveness. I posted a message on this site last year blaming BCG’s seemingly indefensible decision to start Coury as a major contributor to last year’s slow starts, and it seems that his equally puzzling decision to start Porter at PG has played a fairly large part in the slow starts experienced by this year’s edition. Game planning for this year’s team has been fairly easy for opposing coaches…pressure the ball when Porter brings it up, and attack the basket when Porter is guarding you. Look, I am not blaming Porter for everything…although he is probably also responsible for the demise of Bear Stearns, the collapse of the housing market, and the establishment of complex, highly risky mortgage-backed securities. Nevertheless, I wish someone a lot smarter and more knowledgeable about basketball than me would come forward and explain the method to BCG’s apparant madness when it comes to starting line-ups and the allocation of playing time among this year’s players.
Is that so much to ask?
by tooblue on Dec 8, 2008 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is that so much to ask?
Probably.
Because I really don’t think we’re going to see an answer to that any time soon.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Dec 8, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree...
Truth be told, I prefer a coach who feels no obligation to explain his internal decision making process to the public. The risk to this approach, however, is that it will quickly wear thin if the results remain unsatisfactory over a long period of time.
by tooblue on Dec 8, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1st half scoring vs 2nd half scoring...
Hey Forty, you’re a numbers guy…. Could you get us some numbers on our team this year..?
I’d be interested to see how we fare in the 2nd half of games if we had the lead opposed to if we are down at half…
Just from raw memory, (and mine is slowly fading), it appears that this is a 2nd half team…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Dec 8, 2008 3:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jon Scott Website
I’m at work so don’t have time. Google Jon Scott website.
Definitely a better team in 2nd half most games.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 8, 2008 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not Kool Aid
but a coach who knows that he is a multimillionaire in a failed system.BG gives a shit about UK,he knows that his buyout will let him retire nicely.And if he really “cares” about the UK program,why has he FAILED to sign a contract?
by -Zoso- on Dec 8, 2008 7:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
DISAGREE
BCG most definitely “gives a shit” about UK. Billy G.’s emotions when it comes to this team – “his boys” – is unquestionable. Never once has Coach struck me as the type of man only worried about his bank account and retirement package. How insulting for you to even suggest that!
by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 8, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me Zoso...
But where is the failed system you speak of?
I don’t honestly see where you are coming from to make an opinion of that sort about our Coach. He has only just started his second season at UK. I hope you are not one of those crazy UK fans on other sites that are so obsessed with UK winning every game they play. Just calm down and watch the progression that Coach and the players will show you in due time.
by kykat51 on Dec 8, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I mean
by “failed” is losing home games in Rupp to lesser talented teams(GW,VMI,etc.).I have lost faith in BG and the things that go against convential logic(playing less talented players,refusal to switch defenses,sitting on the bench refusing to cal a TO to stop the bleeding).Pitino went against the grain(full court press 40 minutes,bringing the defense forward in the attack more than getting back in transition,and at the time what people thought of taking too many 3’s)but he produced results very quickly,and inherited a team in far worse shape.At best,the only thing I can figure is that BG is trying to make the team “mentally” tougher.I do not expect UK to win every game,just every game we SHOULD win.Playing Porter 30+ minutes is not the answer,and do not understand why Coach continues to start him and let this team get in big scoring hole at the beginning of games.This is not so much about losing,just the way we are losing,and a part of that is not getting the most minutes to our best players.We should not be losing to teams when we have more talent.No excuses(God,I miss those days).Nothing personal kykat51,just pissed at the situation,not you.End of rant.
by -Zoso- on Dec 9, 2008 6:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think ...
… that’s relevant. The contract thing is just lawyers squabbling.
I agree they need to get it done, but that has nothing to do with it.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 9, 2008 7:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Newsflash
He signed a while a go.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Dec 8, 2008 8:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mayor Daley (The Father, Not The Son) Used To Say
Don’t confuse me with the facts, I know what I think.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 8, 2008 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Well, thank god. I remember reading that Coach was going to "get it done", but had I not read that he had actually signed – and believe me, I have been looking. I must have missed it, thanks, davw.
A signed contract between Coach Gillispie and UK is one less thing for those fans who are oh-so-eager to see him replaced and who aren’t the least bit supportive of our current coach to bitch about.
by BigSkyCat on Dec 8, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
How could I have missed that?
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 9, 2008 7:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got a link?
I think I need to see it for myself.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 9, 2008 7:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you didn't miss it...
…it hasn’t happened…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Dec 9, 2008 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw a link here
It was a big deal. It happened back in the summer.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Dec 9, 2008 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No ...
… I just read an article dated about a month ago that said they were still working on it. I can’t find any reference to an actual contract being completed.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 9, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fanfare
UK and G didnt make a big affair of announcing it.
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by davw83 on Dec 8, 2008 10:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
News to me...
Do you know the details? Years and salary?
Can’t believe I didn’t hear about this. I would like to see something in there that gives us a little assurance as far as who our coach will be in the next 2 – 3 years atleast.
by the spork on Dec 9, 2008 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He did sign
The link was here on ASoB.
I don’t have the exact link and I’m too busy to use my Google-Fu for it. But it was done this summer.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Dec 9, 2008 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Definitely not. I'm old, but not that old. :-) I would remember.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 9, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember the link here Tru.
And I am older than you :-)…it was sometime around the end of September or early October before Madness event. It was just a few minor things to get worked out between the two parties and just making it a point to find the time for everyone to get together. I am not particularly stressed about the situation.
by kykat51 on Dec 9, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me.
It wasn’t here. I know this.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 10, 2008 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There was nothing
Definitive on this site.
by kykat51 on Dec 10, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know ...
… that there was a post or two about the fact that they were getting close, but I have yet to see anywhere that it has been signed, sealed and delivered.
And when I do, I will surely link it here. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 10, 2008 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
All the 30 somethings need to be taking ginkgo bilboa for memory retention :-)
by kykat51 on Dec 10, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Maybe I should, to. I guess I qualify, seeing as I’m 51. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 11, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rmember it
I remember it being here.
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by davw83 on Dec 9, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't signed yet guys...
if he did, they told NO one….
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Dec 9, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And if it was signed...
I have never seen anything definitive. But life goes on.
by kykat51 on Dec 9, 2008 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HMM
I was under the impression he had. If he hasn’t I don’t think it matters. He isnt going anywhere unless UK fires him and i dont believe that will happen considering Barnhart’s track record with coaching hires. I dont believe you should be worried about it.
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by davw83 on Dec 9, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And all you younger guys...
Need to take some memory pills LOL.
by kykat51 on Dec 9, 2008 6:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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