All Right, I'll Be The Guy
Look, I'll keep this short, and I'm pretty positive of the response this will get. But here goes.
Please know I preface this with all respect to the man and his life and his dedication to the team and school I love so dearly. This is in no way trying to belittle someone or besmirch a man's legacy.
But at some point, is the Bill Keightley memorial going over the top a little? According to the UK Athletics site:
The Mississippi Valley State game will serve as the culmination of the University’s tributes to Mr. Wildcat which includes: a permanent spot on arena floor in front of Mr. Wildcat’s seat on the bench, embellishments on the basketball uniform including black "K" of Kentucky and silk ribbon touting "Mr. Wildcat", Mr. Wildcat Catspy award presented annually to an individual reflecting Mr. Wildcat’s qualities; the Keightley Classic annual golf tournament; the Mr. Wildcat Bill Keightley scholarship fund awarding scholarship funds to UK men’s basketball managers. In addition, UK Athletics along with the UK President’s Office made financial contributions towards the William B. Keightley Oral History Project. The collection gives the public a unique opportunity to not only hear the legend, but to search his own words for topics and other key basketball figures he speaks about in the interviews.
Now before you rip me for being a heartless bastard -- and no, you would not be the first by a long stretch -- I'm merely talking about the fact that in my opinion, in general, honoring someone's life is a solemn and respectful thing. I thought that the heartfelt personal speeches and video tributes at the Keightley memorial were both appropriate and tasteful. I thought that the Black K's on the jerseys were OK, but maybe it made more sense to wear then one time on a special day or in his honor. But fine. Tributes are important, and clearly he was a huge part of the team and the players' lives.
But at what point does it start to border on the hagiographic? You're wearing his name and a symbolic gesture on your jersey for every single game.
Keightley’s family consisting of his widow Hazel, daughter Karen Marlowe and son-in-law Alden Marlowe, will be honored in a ceremony at halftime at which time his jersey will be retired a final time in Rupp Arena.
You've already retired his jersey once. I'm not really grasping why this is necessary, nor why it honors the memory of a, by all accounts, quiet, humble and earnestly dedicated man to make a garish scene in front of tens of thousands of fans.
I know, I know. I'm a total waste of a human being. I'm a worthless Cardinals fan Yankee who doesn't appreciate life. Trust me, I live in New York, this is not news.
But there's memorial and there's spectacle. And frankly, when you get to the point where you are encroaching on the very nature of the man's character -- here's a man who passed away on a BUS going to a Reds game in Cincinnati. Not driving his fancy car or getting flown there by any of the myriad millionaire coaches he has served so faithfully.
Folks are going to do what they are going to do, and 99% of people will see this and tear up and maybe I will to, I have no idea. And I'm not saying they shouldn't do the things that they are doing. But the William B. Keightley Oral History Project? Am I really the only one who finds this a bit ... much?
I apologize for my lack of a soul. But no one asked for my opinion and I'm giving it.
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Okay JL
I am the first here to disagree with you. Mr. Wildcat was a very humble man all the years while serving UK basketball. In no way do I think the University has gone overboard with what they have done to memorialize his years serving the team, players, assistant managers, the University as a whole. Coach BCG had less than a year with him and loved him dearly. That in itself speaks volumes of Keightley’s personality.
And the Oral History Project…that had been in the making for several years.
Oral History
I have already listened to many of his interviews with many people about UK basketball and coaches on utube in the past before he even passed away.
Some say...
…that to many UK fans, basketball is their god, so in that respect this makes total sense.
(There JL, that should take some of the spotlight off you. *wink*)
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This ...
… is getting a bit old.
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Why are you catsfanyo...
Posting this on this thread?…totally unrelated to subject. If any want to read there I am sure they have already bookmarked.
Let me just say this
In regards to your post everyone has the freedom to their own opinion. That said you’re trying to make points that I just don’t get. This man has lived his life for the program for over 40 years and we as fans could only hope give the young men on this years team and teams of years past half as much support as Mr. Wildcat did. Are they over the top a little bit? I guess that is up to each person to make a decision on that but I for one don’t see anything wrong with the steps this University has taken and will take this weekend to honor a man who gave his time, focus and life to greatest basketball program in the history of college. We should all just take in stride and understand that we have lost a true legend.
GO CATS !!!
Agreed Uknation87
I personally don’t believe we will ever have another equipment manager the magnitude of Mr. Wildcat. If so, it will be beyond my years. And yes a true legend in UK basketball history.
I have no position on this.
JL makes a sound point, but frankly, I don’t care if they name rename Rupp Arena Rupp/Keightley Arena. I loved Mr. Wildcat just like anyone else, but I don’t have an opinion on how best to remember him.
For my money, a spot on the floor and a memorial service is sufficient, and wearing a device on the uniform in memoriam is just fine, too. Oral History projects are always fine by me, I think they have value especially in a tradition-rich program like Kentucky which has many oral history projects associated both with the University and around the state itself.
But at some point, Mr. Wildcat would want us to move on. Keeping his chair unoccupied and making sitting in it some kind of reward is probably over the top. More than one memorial is probably too many.
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I supposed I'll agree a bit
All of these things are great for the family, those really close to the program and Mr. Keightley, but it does seem like they are dragging it out a tad bit. Nice jestures by the university, but so much is not entirely necessary.
Perhaps...
OK maybe it is getting a little excessive, I don’t feel so, but the point is a valid one to those who do. Mr. Keightley is someone I always respected and revered growing up with the Big Blue Nation and in a way looked at as a grandfatherly figure to us all. In this case I think doing too much is a safer way to celebrate his life than to leave anyone feeling that enough wasn’t done.
the only thing that matters, in my opinion, is..
Mr Wildcat’s family… if they are ok with it, then I’m fine with it…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
You are so right vince
We as fans and spectators have no idea the relationships that Mr. Wildcat had with so many UK players, coaches, assistants and many others, and his immediate family knew this for years.
Heartless Bastard
But that doesn’t mean you’re totally wrong. Some of these things have been ongoing, like the Oral History Project, some of these things are simply being renamed, like scholarships for athletic trainers. I fine with most of the memorials, they seem relatively tasteful and unobtrusive. But I don’t understand the why we are going to honor his family at the game. I mean, memorials are by definition an honor to the family. I don’t know, just seemed a little bit over-the-top to me as well. But not so over the top as to make feel weird about it.
Del Tha Funky Homosapien
formerly known as senowen
by Mr. Bob Dobalina on Dec 5, 2008 6:43 PM EST reply actions
shrug
I don’t really agree with JL, but then I don’t exactly disagree either. It’s a bit much and maybe dilutes the power of any ONE tribute, but the thing is, it’s not hurting anyone. I mean, really, who cares? It’ll be a big weepy scene, some people will have loved it, some will have been uncomfortable with the excess sentimentality, but then it’ll be over and no harm done. If the team and staff and coaches and most importantly the Keightley family—those people who knew him personally—feel these gestures are the appropriate way to remember a beloved figure, then I don’t know why it should matter to the rest of us. I’m not supercomfortable with gooey sentimentality myself, but like bigbluestu said, I think when it comes to honoring or appreciating who was undoubtedly an excellent human being who is beloved by so many, “too much” is probably better than “not enough.”
by blue kentucky girl on Dec 5, 2008 6:50 PM EST reply actions
JL
I think what you are missing is the Mr. Keightley is PART of Kentucky Basketball History.He is not just some equipment manager who paid his dues.His being common and “down to earth” represents what is good about UK fandom.There was only 1 Rupp.Only 1 Cawood.And only 1 “Mr. Wildcat”.
You're a sick, soulless, shell of a man and I bet you kick puppies too!
There, I thought you might be disappointed if no one said it.
On a more serious side, I can understand why you (or anyone else) might feel this way. I think Tru makes a great point that Mr. Keightley would want the fans and the program to move on. That said, given the timing of his death last season I think it’s a good idea to take the time during a regular season game to honor him. To me it seems quite appropriate to use a basketball game to give fans the chance to show their appreciation and as a forum to announce the various ways the school will remember his legacy.
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
JL is an ass(prin bottle PG13 ;-)
Pickin’ on a dead dude? Talk about kickin’ whilst a man is down!
Hey pot, meet spoon
Or more like egg, meet whisk.
I bet you are one of those New York elite types with a tattoo, beard, shaggy hair and a hip little home life complete with a kid who you dress all cool.
I hate those yella bellied freak-o’s like that.
:-)
I have no opinion. Will it help us win? Cool. Will it deflate our excitement and energy after BCG’s 6 hour game day practice has us whipped up and ready to go, so we loose? Not cool.
Other than that….
Changing how you think will change what you think.
LMFAO
“I bet you are one of those New York elite types with a tattoo, beard, shaggy hair and a hip little home life complete with a kid who you dress all cool”
Hilarious. You pretty much got it right on, except for the shaggy hair part.
Del Tha Funky Homosapien
formerly known as senowen
by Mr. Bob Dobalina on Dec 6, 2008 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Good point, JL doesn't have shaggy hair anymore.
Or do you think I was serious?
I freaking LOVE NY!
If I didn’t have financial roots so damn planted in Lex I would be sipping snooty coffee…NO, a strange Chi Tea…with JL Blue smiling while we read this on some brand new, only available in NY phone type contraption.
:-)
Changing how you think will change what you think.
Haha!
New York is a little much for this ol’ country boy, but it is absolutely an interesting place.
I love upstate New York, it’s just awesome. I lived in Saratoga Springs about 500 yards from the racetrack for the better part of a year while I was in nuclear power school prototype training at Ballston Spa. What a wonderful town Saratoga Springs is. Heck, that whole part of the state is just amazing.
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I am not a former coach or player...
But IMO any of those would tell you that Keightley’s time at UK and their personal experiences are invaluable. That is all I have to say to say and you are entitled to your opinion.
THANK YOU!
and I thought I was the only heartless one. When I first saw that UK was planning on honoring the guy once again my immediate reactions was “enough already, too much even.” Great guy, his blood was blue and his memorial was fitting. But this is too much and to me it diminishes what has already transpired. I will go even a step further JL because you are spot on about this. I don’t remember Caywood receiving this level of accolades and he meant far more to me and UK basketball than Keightley. (ok, maybe he did but the scale is WAY off balance IMO)
Lay Off
If that’s what the school wants to do, then so be it. He earned his legacy. (Geez, I can’t even believe we’re discussing this…)
His legacy?
geeeez… his legacy is sticking around a long time… they guy was treated more like a mascot than a man. this is pathetic.
by MyBloodRunsBlue on Dec 7, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Eff Off, NY
I stopped reading at “I live in New York”.
I never will care about what anyone in New York
has to say about ANYTHING in Kentucky.
Don't you mean "Elf Off NY"
I read on my yankee twitter group that the movie Elf was not going to play in NY on TV this year.
Apparently Homeland security has issued a level Orange due to too much seriousness and any viewing of Will Ferrell would disrupt their operations.
Changing how you think will change what you think.
Yeah! You tell 'em!
Hmmm ...
Didn’t a New Yorker win a national championship at UK?
Just sayin’ …
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As far as memorials go
If it will beneit kids in some way I don’t feel there can be enough of them these days.
As vinceuk1 said about the family, if they are cool with attending another ceremony, more power.
As a fan, I believe it’s nice that the university is taking an interest in a person that had the greatest gig in the world.
SInce I never met Bill I wouldn’t know whether he would’ve thought this over the top or not. I do know that people like to be recognized for their work. He might be a little embarrassed about all the attention but I feel that he would just grin and enjoy the attention and when it was all over he would get back to doing what he did best….support the team.
Having said all that, should we be discussing this again next year i.e. more memorials, etc. I would have a bone to pick.
Concerning Cawood, I may be wrong about this, but I believe the distinction between the lavish attention paid to Mr Keightley and the meager attention paid to Cawood differs in that Cawood was a media personality and Bill was a university personality. By that I mean that Cawood was a media type and Bill was just a university employee. The media types come and go with the wind often times as do equipment managers, but media types often get their accolades while they are still around. Equipment managers often get more dirty laundry. The fact that Mr Keightley was a “famous personality” is an anamoly itself. How many other programs, professional or college, can boast someone in a related job of equal stature? Not many I’m sure.
Two years ago we (KATV family) lost “the nicest guy in the world” or “everyone’s best friend” Paul Eells, The Voice of the Razorbacks! He was our main sports anchor but he was mostly known for his radio broadcasts of Arkansas football. He also did some radio and TV for the basketball team. He was best known for his radio calls of “TOUCHDOWN ARKANSAS!…OH MY!” Just like Cawood meant to us, Paul was to the Razorback fan. You know how we talk about turning down the sound on the TV to hear the radio broadcast? If you went someplace where the game was on, unless you were in a bar or some other ASCAP, BMI place, you were guaranteed to be hearing Paul’s voice.
Part of what made him so endearing to the fans and general public was how nice he was to EVERYONE. He was humble enough to take a few minutes of his time and chat with you no matter who you were. Once, I was at a restaurant (Doe’s in Hot Springs, I reccomend them should you ever go there) doing a remote newscast the first year I started at KATV. While I was running cables and setting up cameras I noticed Paul arriving for the 5 o’clock show. He had no sooner set foot on their deck when two middle aged women came up to him (out of the shadows!) planted kisses on his cheeks, got pictures with him, chatted with him and walked away looking like excited school girls. Shortly after that he was stopped by a couple of teenage boys who got his autograph, chatted with him for a minute and walked away looking as if Christmas had come in June. Hell, I got see him often over the six years I knew him and every time I got done talking with him I felt like a million bucks. He even knew I was a Wildcat fan! :)
What I mean by all this is that immortality is easily laid at the feet of those who regularly come into contact with the masses while folks who spend the majority of their years at a typically thankless job are rarely noticed by so many and so ferverently.
One more quick Paul story…..We were doing a promo to kick off our coverage of another Razorback football season. We set up cameras in the team meeting room while Houston Nutt was talking to the team about the upcoming season. At one point in his speech he said he had someone there who he asked to speak to the team. At this point Paul comes into the room and steps up to the podium. As he’s walking towards the podium you can see the players sitting up, poking each other and pointing towards Paul. When the room was deathly still and all attention was on Paul, he looked up from some papers he had brought in with him and said, “Gentlemen, I only have one thing to say to you……TOUCHDOWN ARKANSAS!” The team went crazy! They all jumped up and began shouting and woofing and cheering! I still to this day believe it was the best promo we’ve ever done with him.
GO BIG BLUE!!!
This thread and JL Blue
What some of you may not know, is that he started this blog site and I do not know when. So I do respect his opinion, I just don’t agree, and that is what this blog is all about. But I am sure he loves UK and the history.
You seem to have a short memory JL....
Remember all the hub-bub on the boards after the memorial. Verbal fisticuffs over what was the “Best” way to honor Mr.K. It never seemed like anything was good enough of big enough for some fans…..Well, I think this ought to shut them up. Good too……After its done I don’t want to hear some crabby old Cats fan complaining about how they didn’t do what they should have.
It seems that you took special offence to the Oral History Project. Personally, I saw that as a stroke of genius. Everybody has a Mr. Wildcat story to tell. Let them tell it and preserve it. Not only it is a genuine way to let fans grieve, but PR stand point it really lets the air out of the old wind bags. Brilliant.
It is kind of sad that UK has manage such high expectations for EVERYTHING, but thats the price success I guess.
Shane

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