1966 Kittens -- The Runts
From the Editor: This is the sixth in a series of short essays from A Sea of Blue member oldcat'69, who played as a walk-on on Kentucky's freshman team in 1965-66 during the Adolph Rupp era.
I started not to write this last piece because the interest level (as measured in comments) went down on the previous article. On the other hand, Joe B. Hall wasn’t the most dynamic personality, in spite of being a pretty good guy and a really good coach, so it must have been HIS lack of sparkle and not MY dynamic, spellbinding prose that drove the reduced interest. So, "not really my fault"—the eight-year-old’s standard defense.
Actually, the real reason I felt I had to cover the Runts had nothing to do with Coach Hall or the number of comments on the last piece. Those five guys, who I watched practice and play all year, were simply the most overachieving team I’ve ever seen, even including the Unforgettables, although the competition is close. Now, Forty will probably start his counter-discussion by saying that the Runts had two first-team All-Americans, et cetera, et cetera. That’s true, but they had those same two guys the next year, and Thad Jaracz both years to boot, but the Runts went 27-2 and the 66-67 team went 13-13. So the difference had to be something, or someone, else.
First of all, you have to understand that the Runts were really embedded in the student body more than teams are today. They lived in the dorms. That’s right, no Wildcat Lodge and no special training table except for game days. Coach Rupp felt they should be integrated into the school, and they were. There was a football house, but not one for basketball.
In fact, Larry Conley and Tommy Kron were roommates and lived two doors down from me on the second floor of Haggin Hall. A FRESHMAN DORM! ONLY SLIGHTLY MORE CIVILIZED THAN THE FOYER OF HELL. I couldn’t begin to describe to you how bad it was, so I won’t. Suffice to say that a couple of seniors trying to play basketball and graduate were probably somewhat distracted by their living conditions.
With that as my intro, here’s the Cliff’s Notes on the Runts:
Pat Riley. All-American in football in HS. All-American in BB at UK. Best athlete on the team by far. Excellent jumper, good shot, acceptable passer. Jumped center at 6’3"—only lost about three jumps all year, but "quick-jumped" every time and rarely, if ever, got called. Stud. BMOC. Drove a red 1964 Chevy convertible with rolled and pleated interior with a beauty sitting in the jump seat. Married her. Still married after approximately 40 years (at least they were still married a couple of years ago). Journeyman NBA player. Winning NBA coach. Despite status, pretty nice guy to walk-on freshmen players. Periodically acknowledged our existence.
Louie Dampier. All-American. Baseball letterman at UK, also. Absolutely the best shooter on the Runts. Medium athleticism, but good ball-handler, very quick shooting off the picks. Would have scored an unbelievable number of points, as he did in the ABA, if we’d had the 3-point line. Generally quiet personality, but an assassin when he had an outside shot. Also a good guy. Little more sharp with comments than Riley, at least to freshmen players.
Thad Jaracz. Sophomore with a little baby-fat on him. Despite that, excellent slasher with the ball. Filled the outside lanes on the break very well. Good inside shot, only fair facing the basket. Good body positioning on rebounds. Very quick with outlet pass. Retired from U.S. Army (I’ve heard) as a Staff Judge Advocate (lawyer). Also good guy. Realized he was the new guy as a starter, but filled the role exceptionally well as the least athletic of the starters.
Ah, we finally get to the reasons the Runts were so good.
Tommy Kron. Senior. Medium athleticism, but a heart as big as all get-out. Pit bull on defense. Could look pitiful in practice, but follow with a great game. Good ball-handler, excellent passer. Kind of "slid" around the floor, making him look slower than he was. Absolutely great gentleman. Treated everyone, from Coach Rupp to freshman slug with respect. Passed away a little over a year ago. The world’s loss.
Larry Conley. Senior. Leader. Fair jumper, good shot, superlative ball-handler. Almost as skinny as Tayshaun. Most selfless person I’ve ever witnessed on a basketball court. I never saw him make a behind-the-back pass like Maravich, or dribble between his legs like any number of hot-shots, but if you were open and Larry Conley had the ball, he’d get it to you. And you would get it in a position to shoot. With Kron, the glue, the spark, the whatever the heck you want to call it that resulted in the team winning. Played at about 173, got back after the Texas Western game at 153. Super human being, in my humble opinion. Still broadcasting basketball, and damned well at that.
In summarizing this team and its (see Ken P, no apostrophe!!!!) record, I have to say that they epitomized the terms synergy and chemistry. Three of them might not have been starting at a lot of places, but if you had added all their individual abilities, the sum would have fallen far below what they achieved together. I have no idea if they even got along with each other privately, but when they got on the court, it was magic, before there was Magic.
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Another excellent read oldcat'69
I had been looking forward to your next story.
Hard for me to believe UK had a football house before they had a special house for the basketball players. Sounds like you and the 2 senior Runts had better quarters than some. From what you say, even that dorm was pretty bad. Ugh!
Rupp’s Runts were indeed a legendary group of players. Thanks for sharing your memories and knowledge of these guys.
by kykat51 on Dec 31, 2008 5:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Football ...
… was much bigger at UK back then than it is now. Much bigger.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 31, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I guess so
With the “Bear”. I forgot about that.
by kykat51 on Dec 31, 2008 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hang on, Tru and kykat,
the Bear had been gone about 13 years by that time. Charlie Bradshaw of “thin thirty” fame was the head football coach that year. Actually, we did have a pretty good team, 6-4, I think, but they lost the last three games of the season after the SEC-leading QB Rich Norton broke his leg. Lots of taleng in addition to Norton on that team: Sam Ball (Colts), Doug Davis (NFL, but I forget who), Larry Seiple (Dolphins punter), etc.
After that year, we dropped back into the familiar KY football doldrums.
by oldcat'69 on Dec 31, 2008 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't have been a good place for a lady, kykat.
I would have been ashamed to take you in there, especially since I’m guessing you would have been about 14 at the time. (If that’s what the ‘51 in your screen name means). It was pretty wild. I’m glad you liked the stories.
by oldcat'69 on Dec 31, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually 15
Birthday in January, so I was 18 when I graduated high school…probably the oldest in my class :-)
by kykat51 on Dec 31, 2008 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At any rate, it wouldn't have either safe or pleasant for you.
I’m sure the “coed” dorms now are much more civilized.
by oldcat'69 on Dec 31, 2008 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Runts Were The First UK Team I Followed
Enjoyed the read, too.
I’d add 6th man Bob “Red” Tallent and big man sub Cliff Berger to the list of Runts.
If you are ever looking for Gene Stewart, he’s a lawyer in Brookville IN still.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 31, 2008 5:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OK, Forty, you asked for it.
Cliff Berger actually was the sixth man if you go by a “season minutes per game” measure. He averaged about 10 minutes per game vice about 5 for Bob Tallent, who I covered in some detail in an earlier article. Actually, neither played in all 29 games, but I think their total value to the team must be measured across the entire season, so that’s the way I do it.
Cliff was 6’8", and fairly slow, but worked hard. He was an academic all-SEC twice later on. In his 10 minutes per game that season, he averaged 3+ points and 3+ rebounds. These are fairly good numbers for a player whose role was to give Jaracz a rest now and then. Cliff’s high moment that year came in a 2OT 69-65 win against Georgia on Jan 10, 1966. At the end of regulation the teams were tied at 60. Remarkably, each team scored only one point in the first OT. In the second, UK got 8 more to Georgia’s 4. As I recall from listening to the game on the radio (the Kittens didn’t make that trip), Cliff secured the game by getting the last 4 UK points.
Interestingly, the next year, Cliff played over 21 minutes a game, averaging 11.3 points and 8.2 rebounds, but in his senior year, his stats dropped off to 4.25 and 2.1 in only 9 minutes. The reason? Another 6’8" guy by the name of Issel was varsity eligible that year and took a little of Cliff’s PT.
Cliff married the beautiful and charming Marsha Jackson, who was the Homecoming Queen one year. She was as nice a lady as there was in the student body. As an ROTC cadet, I had the honor of escorting her onto the field to receive her crown. If there’s any justice in the world, they’re still married, ’cause Cliff was a really nice guy himself.
by oldcat'69 on Dec 31, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Berger From Centralia IL
He hit the game winning shot (as a junior, I think) to lead Centralia to 1963 state title in Illinois.
Centralia HS has a legendary place in Illinois HS basketball but few know of it now. The Centralia holiday tournament is one of the prominent events every December.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 31, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Almost, Not Quite
His shot was BLOCKED and Carver HS won (the year after Cazzie Russell went off to college).
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 31, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good read
dont let the comment count get to you.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Dec 31, 2008 6:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks oldcat'69.
I was just a runt myself in those days, a little to young to remember Rupp’s Runts but I have enjoyed your stories.
by Grasslands1 on Dec 31, 2008 7:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Off subject from the Runts but one of your teammates
The name of Bobby Hiles had stuck in my mind for some reason. I asked some of my siblings during Christmas if he ever coached at Marion County High School. For some reason I had him as the early gymnastics coach, but he coached the boys basketball team there in the early 70’s. He was actually Conference Coach in ’73 and ’75 during his time there. Just wondered if you kept up with him through the years? Where did he go after his freshman year?
by kykat51 on Dec 31, 2008 7:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
kykat, I didn't keep up with Bobby,
but, as I recall, he went to Morehead State after he left UK. He was a nice guy and I’m glad to hear he stayed in BB and was successful. He made his grades first semester and played the full season, but did not come back his sophomore year. I don’t know if it was his decision or if he was encouraged to leave by the coaches. He certainly would have had a lot of talent to fight through to get PT.
by oldcat'69 on Dec 31, 2008 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In case you stats freaks don't use it,
you should try bigbluehistory.net, then go to the statistics home page. What is contained there is the most amazing compilation of historical statistics on Wildcat basketball you can imagine.
On second thought, Forty, make sure to time yourself when you get immersed in that stuff (if you don’t already use the site). We’d had to lose your input here.
by oldcat'69 on Dec 31, 2008 7:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I Read It But
There’s a lot of stuff (like freshman teams) that come from memory.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 31, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet the holidays had a lot to do with comments
I, for one, have not been online very much over the last 2 weeks or so. I bet that has a lot more to do with lack of comments than the article itself.
Interesting as always – keep ’em coming!
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
by JLeverenz on Dec 31, 2008 9:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The holidays ...
… do really impact blog traffic. People have better things to do, I guess.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 31, 2008 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Average Joe
Just as a common, every day guy watching basketball, Conley seems to cut Kentucky no slack when he calls UK games. I don’t know if he tries to make sure there is no hint of favoritism or what but i can’t stand to hear him call UK games. Also Haggin Hall was my dorm as a freshman in ’83 and i wasnt crazy about the place either, Had i known it once was home to past Cats, i may have enjoyed the place more :)
" I believe in pipedreams"
by Magnoliacat on Jan 1, 2009 12:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Magnolia, I agree
that Larry isn’t easy on the Cats, but, like you, I always thought he didn’t want to be seen as a homer. He might also just have high standards for a team he loves. Also, I don’t know if he ever had aspirations to be the head coach. He was like Pelphry in that the fans absolutely loved him and would have backed him in the top position. I just don’t know.
by oldcat'69 on Jan 1, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tidbit On Riley
I was reading (online) Frank Fitzpatrick book on the 1966 game and Riley was quoted that he nearly transferred to Syracuse as a freshman so his family (in upstate NY) could see him play.
His Dad worked a blue collar job, and it was a large family. They couldn’t afford the trip(s) to Lexington so they never saw him play at UK, so the book said.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 1, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forty, I thought his dad was a HS coach.
As a matter of fact, I thought it was in football, but my memory may be picking up some errant electrons. But either classic blue collar or coach, it brings up the question of where Pat got that ’64 Chevy convertible.
The Fitzpatrick book is an interesting bit of slander. I don’t think he ever met Rupp, and I’m also pretty certain that his bias against all things Southern shows clearly. I have read excerpts from the book and the entire purpose seems to paint Rupp and UK as centers of racism.
by oldcat'69 on Jan 1, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Book Didn't Really Say But
The family didn’t have much extra $ for trips to Lexington.
I don’t know about the car.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 1, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!!!!!
Your stories and writings have been WONDERFUL to read!!! Thank you for sharing!!
by SirTanksAlot on Jan 1, 2009 12:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great Read!
I had no idea you guys were in Haggin Hall, that’s wild. It was still a crazy place when I was there (mid 90’s).
by EEWildcat on Jan 1, 2009 10:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Your Stories Are Great
I spent many days sitting at a picnic table beneath a shade tree in Alegre Ky listening to my Grandfather tell stories. Your stories are like that to me. Only they are about the Wildcats, one of my favorites subjects. You tell them well too.
I had a chance when I was about 11 and Louie Dampier was in the ABA to get my picture taken with him and Artis Gilmore. I still have that photo somewhere. Louie Dampier was one of my all-time favorite players. I appreciate the comment about the 3 point shot. Not only would he have been a tremendouus scorer in college under current rules but the NBA line is much easier than the ABA hash mark.
Thanks for the stories
by LyricSmith on Jan 2, 2009 2:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't...
Let comment count be your judge of quality/popularity. I have read and enjoyed every article you have posted, but this is the first post I have made on any of them.
Good job!
Shane
by sylvar on Jan 2, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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