Lamar at Kentucky: Open Game Thread
Lamar Cardinals at Kentucky Wildcats, Dec 3, 2008 7:00 PM EST
I arrived yesterday from Las Vegas a little poorer in the pocket, but much happier about the Kentucky Wildcats. Not only that, just so I didn't leave empty-handed, the gods of Sin City thoughtfully gave me a bad cold to take home with me. How nice.
But it's game time, and we have to take a look at our opponent for the night, the Lamar Cardinals. I have decided to combine the pre-game and game thread together again. Here we go:
- Name: Lamar University
- Enrollment: 14000
- Colors/Mascot: Red and White/Cardina
- Conference: Southland
- Coach: Steve Roccaforte
- Record last year: 19-11, lost in the Southland Conf. tournament to Texas-Arlington in round 1
- Last NCAA appearance: 2000. Deepest recent run: second round, 1983
- Record this season: 5-0
- Game on: FSN South in Louisville
- Link to Yahoo! audio feed
Player Statistics and analysis:
**As usual, all stats courtesy of StatSheet.com.
| Lamar Player Stats |
| Player | GP/GS | MPG | PPG | FG% | 3PTFG% | FT% | RPG | APG | TOPG | A/T | SPG | BPG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| K. Dawkins | 5/4 | 34.4 | 17.0 | 42.6% | 34.5% | 92.0% | 3.4 | 4.4 | 2.8 | 1.6 | 2.4 | 0.2 |
| B. McThay | 5/4 | 31.0 | 16.6 | 55.1% | 44.0% | 66.7% | 3.8 | 2.2 | 1.0 | 2.2 | 1.8 | 0.0 |
| T. Worrell | 5/4 | 29.2 | 10.6 | 52.9% | 0.0% | 81.0% | 5.8 | 2.0 | 2.8 | 0.7 | 0.8 | 0.0 |
| J. Brown | 4/4 | 28.5 | 16.0 | 56.8% | 42.9% | 61.1% | 9.8 | 1.3 | 1.0 | 1.2 | 1.3 | 1.0 |
| A. Hall | 5/4 | 20.2 | 4.2 | 33.3% | 0.0% | 83.3% | 3.2 | 1.2 | 0.6 | 2.0 | 0.4 | 1.4 |
| S. Williams | 5/0 | 15.6 | 2.4 | 45.5% | 0.0% | 50.0% | 2.6 | 2.2 | 1.0 | 2.2 | 1.6 | 0.0 |
| A. Miles | 5/2 | 14.0 | 6.8 | 46.7% | 23.1% | 60.0% | 4.6 | 1.2 | 0.8 | 1.5 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| C. Custer | 5/1 | 11.2 | 5.2 | 50.0% | 50.0% | 87.5% | 2.0 | 0.2 | 1.0 | 0.2 | 0.6 | 0.8 |
| Kentucky Player Stats |
| Player | GP/GS | MPG | PPG | FG% | 3PTFG% | FT% | RPG | APG | TOPG | A/T | SPG | BPG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| J. Meeks | 6/6 | 35.3 | 25.5 | 44.2% | 37.8% | 88.0% | 4.8 | 1.3 | 5.2 | 0.3 | 1.7 | 0.2 |
| P. Patterson | 6/6 | 30.8 | 15.5 | 70.9% | 0.0% | 71.4% | 9.0 | 2.8 | 2.0 | 1.4 | 1.0 | 2.0 |
| R. Harris | 6/5 | 27.7 | 9.3 | 63.6% | 0.0% | 63.6% | 3.2 | 0.8 | 3.2 | 0.3 | 1.3 | 0.3 |
| P. Stevenson | 6/6 | 26.0 | 6.0 | 42.9% | 0.0% | 78.3% | 5.3 | 1.7 | 2.2 | 0.8 | 0.8 | 2.3 |
| M. Porter | 6/6 | 21.0 | 3.7 | 38.9% | 36.4% | 80.0% | 3.0 | 2.7 | 3.0 | 0.9 | 0.5 | 0.2 |
| D. Miller | 6/1 | 20.8 | 5.2 | 38.5% | 12.5% | 71.4% | 3.3 | 1.8 | 2.0 | 0.9 | 0.5 | 0.2 |
| D. Liggins | 6/0 | 18.2 | 3.8 | 45.0% | 37.5% | 33.3% | 2.3 | 3.3 | 3.5 | 1.0 | 0.7 | 0.5 |
| J. Harrellson | 6/0 | 14.2 | 5.0 | 47.8% | 0.0% | 72.7% | 4.7 | 0.5 | 0.8 | 0.6 | 0.3 | 1.2 |
Kenny Dawkins, a 519"/155# senior guard is the leading scorer for Lamar and a dangerous 3-point threat, although with only 10 attempts, he is not a gunner from out there. His back-court mate Brandon McThay (senior, 5'11"/170#) has just as many attempts and shoots an even better percentage. Lamar's guards may fool you into thinking that they beat you with the 3-ball, but that isn't so. This team has lots of other weapons inside as well as out.
In the front court, Tristan Worrell, a 6'7"/250# senior power forward, supplies the needed bulk and is a low-post scorer. But Jay Brown, a 6'7"/23# senior forward, provides even more scoring punch down low and can shoot the ball from the perimeter as well, although he doesn't shoot there often. He also leads the team in rebounding avergaing nearly 10 per game. Ashton Hall rounds out the front court, a 6'6"/230# junior averaging 4.2p/3.2r per game.
Team Stats:
| UK |
Lamar |
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| School | ||||
| Conference | SEC | Southland | ||
| State | KY | TX | ||
| Founded | 1865 | 1923 | ||
| School Type | Public | Public | ||
| Enrollment | 26,545 | 14,800 | ||
| Rankings | ||||
| Conf Standing | N/A |
N/A |
||
| AP Rank | N/A |
N/A |
||
| RPI | 0.5778 | 0.5555 | ||
| RPI Rank | 75 | 95 | ||
| SOS | 0.5652 | 0.4074 | ||
| SOS Rank | 83 | 289 | ||
| Wins & Losses | ||||
| Overall | 4-2 | (66.7%) | 5-0 | (100.0%) |
| Home | 2-1 | (66.7%) | 3-0 | (100.0%) |
| Away | 0-1 | (0.0%) | 2-0 | (100.0%) |
| Neutral | 2-0 | (100.0%) | 0-0 | (0.0%) |
| Conference | 0-0 | (0.0%) | 0-0 | (0.0%) |
| Top 25 | 0-1 | (0.0%) | 0-0 | (0.0%) |
| Blowout (> 19) | 2-0 | (100.0%) | 2-0 | (100.0%) |
| Close (< 6) | 1-0 | (100.0%) | 0-0 | (0.0%) |
| Overtime | 0-0 | (0.0%) | 0-0 | (0.0%) |
| NCAA Tourney | 0-0 | (0.0%) | 0-0 | (0.0%) |
| Scoring | ||||
| Pts Per Game | 75.2 | 80.4 | ||
| Shooting | ||||
| FG Pct | 50.3 | 47.8 | ||
| FT Pct | 75.7 | 73.4 | ||
| 3pt FG Pct | 32.5 | 32.6 | ||
| Rebounds | ||||
| Reb Per Game | 40.8 | 41.0 | ||
| Off Rebs Per Game | 10.0 | 13.8 | ||
| Def Rebs Per Game | 28.8 | 25.2 | ||
| Assists, Steals, & Blocks | ||||
| Assists Per Game | 15.5 | 15.4 | ||
| Steals Per Game | 7.2 | 9.2 | ||
| Blocks Per Game | 6.8 | 3.2 | ||
| Turnovers & Fouls | ||||
| TO Per Game | 23.0 | 12.2 | ||
| Fouls Per Game | 19.3 | 18.0 | ||
| UK |
Lamar |
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Game Analysis:
Lamar is essentially a pressure defensive team that plays similar to Tennessee or Louisville, a team that will try very hard to turn you over. Dawkins and McThay are serious thieves, and these guys have had 21 steals between them so far this year. Sub Skyler Williams has contributed an additional eight. Mix that with the fact that Kentucky is leading the nation in turnovers, and I expect we will have a lot to moan and groan about in that department. These Cardinal guards are a mismatch against UK, and it will be very tough for the 'Cats to keep them at bay.
The Cardinals may try to create turnovers, but on the offensive end, they take extremely good care of the basketball, turning the ball over an average of only 12 times per game. Lamar likes to convert their tough defense into instant offense, and is a high-possession team.
Kentucky is a bigger and deeper team that should have an edge on the glass. The propensity for strong, in-your-face defense that the 'Cats showed against West Virgina will hopefully show up with them in Rupp Arena tonight. The Cardinals have no real answer for Patterson down low, and their small back court cannot stop Meeks once he gets a look. Our scoring will likely come from those two places.
Perry Stevenson needs to step up his game. Kentucky needs to see more rebounding and scoring from that spot, and although he is slight of frame, he should be capable of handling the shorter Lamar players both offensively and defensively. Ramon Harris also matches up well with the Cardinal players in terms of size, and if his ball handling can improve, he could have an offensive as well as defensive impact on this game. Harrellson is also likely to get scoring opportunities, but Gillispie is going to demand that he show some defensive prowess if he is going to be in the game long.
As you can see from the stats, Lamar is a good shooting team just like Kentucky. UK has an insignificantly small advantage in the free throw area. The Cardinals are also a good rebounding team, despite their smaller size.
Kentucky will have to bring their A-game against this team. They may not sound that tough, but they have good players, reasonable size and the kind of defense that has been responsible for both of the Wildcat's losses so far this year. This is actually a very good opponent for UK, and if we can handle the Cardinals' pressure, it bodes well for our upcoming tougher games against Miami (FL) and Louisville
Go, Cats!
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Just looking at stats....
Lamar is very even with UK with the big difference in the turnover category. Obviously turnovers are UK’s kryptonite. I feel UK should win this game because we are UK at home against Lamar. UK should always win this game…right? I worry aboout UK being a tad complacent against this team and suffer the consequences by being careless with the ball. I also worry that Lamar will rain down threes as all smaller schools seemingly do at Rupp. Lamar will play all out and UK usually starts very slow. I expect by halftime UK will take control of the game and win by double digits even if they have a second half lull.
I would like to see a drastic reduction in TO’s as well as shooting a higher perecentage from three point range. That would be a welcome change from the usual UK offense.
I hope ...
… complacency is the farthest thing from their minds.
It isn’t as if they were shooting lights-out in Vegas, or taking care of the basketball. They just defended really well.
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Dish Network
Is Dish Network f**king serious?? Are they seriously not going to have this game on in Lexington??? For some reason we get Fox Sports Cincinnati in Lex (who the f**k cares about Cincinnati sports, seriously?) No FSN South or FSN Ohio and the game is not on FSN Cinci. There is usually an alternate feed, but guess what game is on there.. UNC-ASHVILLE vs TENNESSEE??!?!? Both that game and the UK game are listed on ESPN Full Court channels, but somehow Tennessee gets their game on for free in Lexington and UK doesn’t???
WTF?!?!?
Even better
It is streaming for free on ESPN 360 online, but Winstream is not a partner ISP so I can’t get that either!!
What a joke. I am just going to go down to Rupp and find a $15 ticket.
He's still thinking about it...
…Patterson did too on his shot.
They need to pull that without hesitation.
But I am happy that he took it…eventually.
Who is this team and what have they done with the Wildcats?
0 turnovers so far?
Not that I’m complaining…
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
Bumped heads.
Harris down still, Porter in locker room getting stitches likely.
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Great pass from Galloway...
…Patterson is getting beat on the boards. That’s a glaring negative on the defensive end so far
Galloway ...
… Doing some nice things so far.
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That was a perfect pass to Patterson...
…good angle and location on the pass. A tough pass that was given to him exactly where it needed to be.
Galloway
nice pass and I like his handle. Did not like the defense a moment ago.
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Galloway with some nice passes
That bounce pass into Patterson earlier has been available in a lot of games this year but guys haven’t been making it. Good to see Galloway get it into PP
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
Liggins has some attitude to him
We need some spunk like that in my opinion. Just need to keep it under control.
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Dear Lamar:
You’re going to have to guard Harrellson. Stop making it so easy.
Sincerely,
BBallSophist
Dear Lamar
Pay no attention to BBallSophist. Please continue to leave Harrellson unguarded.
;-)
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
I had an employee hit in the head with a golf ball this week..
and the concern was swelling of the brain more than anything it seemed. He is fine now, no issues. Let’s hope the same for Ramon.
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Not to belabor the point...
…but I’m trying to find some negatives to discuss. Lamar has 7 offensive rebounds. Patterson has 1 rebound, total.
Miscommunication on defense there...
Darius and liggins both guarding the same guy and not guarding him, haha
Sweet.
I just called Dish Network and cancelled all my movie channels ($30/month) and added their MultiSports package ($5.99/month), which includes 14 Fox Sports channels, all Comcast SportsNet channels, BigTen, NBA, and a bunch of other channels (32 channels in all)
BEST MONEY I EVER SAVED, AND NOW I GET ALL THE FSN SOUTH GAMES!! :D
FSN has this game in Georgia..
so this is the second time I have seen them. How many games you gonna get with Dish? I might make a change from Comcast.
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Games on Dish
I love Dish Network.
Any game on ESPNx, Fox Sports South you will pick up on Dish.
Some of the smaller games are on Big Blue Network only on local KY broadcast channels, so here in Lexington I get 100% of the games on TV now that I have FSN South. I am not sure what channel Raycom games will be on regionally, but here in Lex they are usually on WKYT Lexington CBS
Here is the TV schedule for every game
http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/kty-m-baskbl-sched.html
Wonder ...
… If Forty still thinks Harrellson can’t play in the SEC? :-)
Just kidding
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Dave Baker left out the most important stat in regrards to Liggins...
10 minutes without a turnover!
Before the game I asked for...
better 3pt shooting – 67% sweet
and
drastic improvement on TO’s – not sure the number but low
Yes...it's been bad this half...
We’ve given up 9 offensive rebounds. That’s sad against a team we outsize at every position.
Did something happen to Stevenson too?
I don’t think he’s played since the collision.
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
Ugly ending ...
… To a great half of basketball by the ’Cats.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Yeah, but only 12 missed shots
So not a lot of opportunities
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
We are doing a poor job on the glass, that's for sure
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
With the exception of the last few minutes..
the Cats showed great focus, especially with the injury situation. Really playing good defense with just a few breakdowns. Also moving the ball much better on the offensive end. Of course, the competition is much easier which helps.
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Ditto that
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
I think we will find it was concussion
Just a guess but he looked so disoriented hence the stretcher
Probably.
The initial blow was to the rear of his head. The announcers seemed to think that he may have hit his head again on the floor. At first I was more concerned about porter…
Oh, goodness...
me too. And did they have to replay the whole thing like 20 times on TV? I got a headache just watching……
Prayers for Ramon.
This is certainly NOT how I wanted Galloway to get some PT….but I have to say that I am pretty pleased with his performance so far.
Lamar must have been listening to....
Forty…. that thought Harellson couldn’t play…
keep om talking Forty, you da’ man..!!!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
As a EMT it didn't look good.
They didn’t show the fall to the ground. It almost looked as if he was seizing. The way his fingers and hands were curling.
It is worrisome ...
… The way he was writhing in pain. Not what I would have expected…
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Galloway..???
I think I see why Billy was high on this young man… The kid can play, and he really hustles out there…
Any thoughts..?
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I know, but he has to start somewhere...
…and he is taking this opportunity to learn and grow…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Liggins & Galloway...
… compliment each other nicely when they are in together…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
kinda like hitting your elbow (funny bone), but instead it's your spine...
something like that… it hurts, hits scary, but I think he’ll be ok…
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
wait....what.....
Patterson on the bench to start the half..???
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
Sorry...
if this has already been mentioned, but…..they just said on TV that Harris is alert and has the use of all of his extremities………
Good news, right??
You know, I watched the Purdue vs. Duke game...
…and it was striking how different the officiating was from all of our games. They let them play last night. It’d be nice to have that for once…
I watched a bit of that game too
Even with their refs, half their guys still almost fouled out.
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
THAT is more like it
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
Great pass fromm darius on that last fast break...
and an AWESOME play by Liggins on transition after stealing the ball. He’s showing some maturity. Earlier this year he would’ve over penetrated or tried to force a long pass into the post.
The first rebound for Patteron came at 12:13 left in the second half...
We can’t have that happening.
This makes me happy
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
When did Liggins...
… Become a three point threat???
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He was shooting 38% this year...
…before this game.
He’s a better shooter than he’s given credit for.
Easily his best game all around
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
Liggins could get a triple double or two before his career is over
He’s got the size to grab rebounds and he’s going to have the players around him to get assists.
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
Lots
of potential with this team. It’s all about the “Jekyll and Hyde” show we’ve seen the past few years. If they can be consistent, they can win in buckets.
Very exciting for me
We have many very good players…I am jumping up and down with my 2 cats watching…they think I am nuts ;-)
Dawkins is extremely quick...
…and Galloway has had to guard him a lot. That might be why he’s looked iffy on D
23 assists to 13 turnovers...
If this becomes the rule instead of the exception, we will be scary good.
Heh. If UK was scoreless in the second half, they would still be up by 2 with 4 minutes to play
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
Liggins has some attitude to him
We need some spunk like that in my opinion. Just need to keep it under control.
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Late dinner tonight ...
… So the post mortem will be a little late.
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Looking forward to Saturday night...
I was surprised to find Miami ranked this year. I watched some of their game against OSU last night and was impressed.
Nicely done
Much easier to enjoy this victory with the news that Harris seems to be okay.
Lots of things to like about this game.
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
Speaking of UK point guards
Rondo has a triple double with a full quarter still to play tonight
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
UNC vs Mich. State @ Ford Field
Man, that crowd is no where near the UK vs State crowd… lol
We know who brings in the fans baby..!!!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

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