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Florida Atlantic Owls 69, Kentucky Wildcats 76: Post Mortem

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Well, that game was just way too exciting for me, but the Kentucky Wildcats prevailed over an extraordinarily proficient Florida Atlantic University.  As I said in my pre-game remarks, this team's record was not at all indicative of their ability.  Little did I know how right I was.  Great game by the FAU Owls, they gave the 'Cats all, and I do mean all they wanted.

For Kentucky, it was a radical departure from its last four five games, which were never really in doubt.  This one was in serious doubt until very late in the second half, and the biggest reason for that was FAU's ability to get into an offensive rhythm early in the game, something that UK has managed to deny the opponent in the last five games.

In this writer's opinion, Billy Gillispie's tinkering with a starting lineup that was working incredibly well was the major reason this game was a struggle.  I will say that if Galloway was being disciplined for something, it's just one of those things.  Unfortunately, Gillispie is not forthcoming about that.  But since Stevenson was also on the bench at the tip, this looks to me like a Gillispie garden-variety "earn it in practice" deal.  At some point, this is going to cost us an important game, and I don't think the Big Blue Nation will be very happy.  But he is the man in charge, and I guess I'll have to put up with it whether I like it or not -- and for the record, I don't.

Regardless, here are a few other observations:

  • Kentucky took good care of the basketball, managing only 7 turnovers -- a season low by a mile.
  • Kentucky did a very poor job of shooting from the perimeter, but a really good job of getting the ball inside to our bigs, who dominated the smaller FAU players in the paint.
  • Perry Stevenson was outstanding in the second half except for a bad decision near the end where he left a 3-point shooter to help on a dribble drive.  Time and score, Perry.  Learn from it.
  • Jodie Meeks was cold from the outside, but was great at finding other ways to get points.  His defense was particularly awful, though, and he gambles way too much.  He needs to get that under control.
  • Patrick Patterson was just fantastic.  He made a few defensive mistakes, but overall, the positve far outweighs the negative.  He looked like the Patterson of last year.
  • Graham for FAU was just unstoppable today, making circus shots.  He also nailed open midrange jumpers and did a great job of getting to the rim.
  • The FAU guards played a nearly flawless game and were as hot as magma.  Kentucky was only able to manage 3 steals and the Owls only turned it over 10 times.
  • Carlos Monroe makes a big difference in this FAU team.  He gives them an inside presence and a defensive presence, and allows them to play inside out.  He also sets really hard screens.
  • No Josh Harrellson in the second half after a pretty good first half.  But Stevenson and Patterson were awesome together in the second half.  After Stevenson made a couple of dunks, he was a different player.
  • Good game by Porter, pretty good game by Liggins.  Porter has got to learn to hit open shots.  He was better last year.  What happened?
  • Amazing game by Landon Slone.  I felt comfortable with him in the game, surprisingly.  The FAU guards really did not out-athlete him.
  • Great job on the glass, both defensive and offensive, by UK.  That stat really pleases me.

Overall, I was amazed at how we could not defend this team.  I don't know whether to be concerned, or chalk it up to a white-hot team who executed almost flawlessly.  I saw a number of defensive errors, but I saw almost as many great offensive plays, particularly staggered screens that really seemed to disadvantage the 'Cats and freed up players for open looks, which they knocked down with frightening regularity.

Overall, I would say our more talented big guys won this game.  I think the FAU guards were better than ours, and that ought to be a concern.  I will be looking for better on Monday.

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we won, and that's the most important thing...

…considering that we were coming out of Christmas break, our starting line-up was disrupted, FAU was hitting “circus” shots, there was apparently an incident at practice yesterday involving Galloway & Pilgrim (according to the radio), were both players were kicked out of practice and we still won..! Not to mention that we were ice cold from the 3-point line…!

Nice job UK, lets go get Central Mich. & Louisville.!

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 27, 2008 5:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ahh ...

… a discipline issue. OK, that’s fine. All’s forgiven for Galloway.

But why was Perry on the bench? Did he get in a fight with Jared Carter? :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I heard...

…Dave Baker say Perry had been sick..???

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 27, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Inferior Guard Play
I think the FAU guards were better than ours, and that aught to be a concern.

A basketball truism if ever one existed, Tru. And, unfortunately, it will be the case in nearly every game remaining on the schedule. With the exception of Meeks’ perimeter shooting UK’s guard play is at best pedestrian. The Owls’ ability to control the ball with the dribble and Cats’ inability to defend penetration is the most glaring weakness in this game and is sure to be identified and exploited by opposing coaches.

by Wild Weasel on Dec 27, 2008 6:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Meeks and Liggins' bad defense darned near gave the game away.

Jodie is going to have to score 46 every night if he’s not going to play defense any better than he played today. And somebody besides him IS going to have to start hitting some threes.

I would like to see Porter worked back into something of a scoring role now that Galloway is shouldering some of the lead guard duties, but I’m sure that would be happening if BCG thought we could manage it. Until this year Mike has been a deadeye shooter, but it appears his transition over to the lead guard spot has really socked him back in his shooting game. He’s passing up a great many shots that he would once have taken and nailed. Yes, he’s playing great defense and averaging 5 assists and 1 turnover over the last four games (fantastic numbers), but we need some scoring to go along with that.

I do not understand why Jodie won’t play defense any harder than he does, because he knows he is going to have to leave the game when he plays like that, unless his scoring is infuego.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 27, 2008 11:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Patterson

According to ESPN box score:

40 mins
27 points
14 rebs
3 blocks
2 assists
100% for the line (3-3)
75% from the field (12-16)

Those are All American numbers folks…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 27, 2008 6:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great game by PPat, but....

No way he played 40 minutes unless I missed the OT.
Billy gave him a couple of well-earned breaks.
Still a stellar stat-stuffing sensation by any standard.

by ukfastcat on Dec 27, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Patterson

official UK site has him at 40-, which I think means he played 39+ minutes… lol

Not it it matters much…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 27, 2008 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm watching Arkansas/NW State and

Courtney Fortson is very very good, and very fun to watch. From a 12 minute gander, he may be one of the 5 best freshmen in the SEC, if not the nation.

by blbskue on Dec 27, 2008 6:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Billy's bugaboos

Tru,

I must agree that the “earn it in practice” concept is as potentially dangerous to our All-Time Winning Record as are the ridiculously rigorous game-day practices.
Sooner or later, BCG, a winning head coach decides on a starting line-up and a cast of supporting players. OK, Galloway was being disciplined. Perry was sick. But, we all remember Mark Coury. I hope by the UL game and beyond, that our coach understands who his best five are and who are the best substitutes for every situation. This is not a team who can consistently dig a hole in the first seven minutes and be counted on for a blazing comeback. Sometimes Meeks will sizzle and, like today, sometimes he will fizzle.
I think the untold story (by the braindead announcers of the BBN) was how much BCG sat his star, JM, in a very close game. I am sure, as you pointed out, that he was being schooled by his coach that no matter how many individual points he scores, if he hurts his team on the defensive end, he will get to watch from the pine. Coach G is also jeopardizing our chances to win by using the game to discipline the top PG in the country, but I gotta give him kudos for sending that message. I don’t know how much credit I would have given him if this game was another L, however.
It seems clear that our HC is going to do things his very stubborn way and the fans (and sometimes the wins) be damned.
He’s our guy and I support him.
I just don’t agree with him in the same way you don’t.
Like he cares.
Player of the Game today? No offense, Purry, but that honor goes to Landon Sloane. Wish he could have knocked down a couple of the long jumpers. No doubt he will very soon.

by ukfastcat on Dec 27, 2008 6:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jodie wasn't hot

and couldn’t guard a rock today. Sloan and Porter both played better perimeter defense and didn’t get embarrassed on the drive. It wasn’t (just) a lesson, Jodie was just a liability on defense. If Jodie can’t knock down the 3, might as well give some other guys a chance who are at least playing good D.

And gosh, Patterson was just a MAN down there today. Definitely the best big man we’ve had since I’ve been watching basketball. Can’t say enough good things about him.

If Porter could hit the 3 as well as last year (~40%), we’d be an amazing team. He played great today.

Another thing I noticed. Jarvis is a good coach. He would wait until Porter was taken out of the game and Liggins was in to change his defenses. He did a great job of confusing the freshman and frustrating our offense.

by EEWildcat on Dec 27, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a bit too harsh on Jodie...

…He did struggle from the 3-point line, but for the 1st time this year, he actually stopped shooting them and started driving to the basket, and successfully too…

For the first time this year, Jodie made less attempts then Patterson… I think it’s the 1st time…lol

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 27, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, meant Jodie had less attempts...

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 27, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jodie was in and out of practice yesterday

With some type of illness. I hope that bug that hit me after Thanksgiving is not going around the team. It was nasty!

by kykat51 on Dec 27, 2008 8:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bug

My wife and I both had it last week and some of my dad’s players had it this weekend. It was nasty indeed. I truly hope it’s not hitting the CATS but if it is it should be gone quickly.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Dec 27, 2008 11:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that was a bit harsher than I meant

Jodie made some great plays for us in the 1st half, slashing to the basket when he wasn’t hitting the 3s, earning some valuable points. He’s an elite player.

by EEWildcat on Dec 27, 2008 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is at that...

…UK has got to have a “2nd” player step up and knock down the 3 when open…

Porter, Miller, Sloan & Liggins had lots of open looks and just could not get them to fall…

That has to change… When Jodie is having an off night or has a chaser, someone has to step up…

Meeks-Liggins-Miller: All were getting killed on defense today…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 27, 2008 7:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that the inability to hit the 3 is a profound liability.

Today Jodie went 2 for 6, and the rest of the team went 0 for 12.

Liggins has now missed his 16th consecutive 3 pt. shot — he has not hit one since the Lamar game (not to mention getting burned repeatedly on defense, and committing two charges today — this was definitely not one of his better games).

Porter’s move to the point seems to have completely negated what was once dead-eye shooting, and I was more than distressed to see Landon Sloan miss four open threes in a row. Something is amiss in that department for our guys. Maybe it’s just a numbers game, and we will now have eight great games in a row — who knows?

Defense was not so good initially, but it was good to see Porter shut down their hot hand once the coaches switched him over, and Sloan did a great defensive job as well. Funny to see Perry have two of his OWN shots blocked today!

Turnovers are obviously less of an issue now. Jodie is much better, and at the point, over the last four games these are the Assist to Turnover Ratios:

Mike Porter: 21 Assists, 6 Turnovers
DeAndre Liggins: 11 Assists, 14 Turnovers

That makes DeAndre look a little worse than he is, I think, although the charges and the missed defensive assignments were a little irritating today, and obviously he needs to hit a three one of these days, or just stop shooting it. But he is doing much, much better at not throwing the ball away.

Patrick is back, period. I may have to re-evaluate my prediction that he would play next year as well.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 27, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You were evidently watching some other game.

Liggins didn’t get burned on defense any more than any other player. The FAU team screened exceptionally well, and Liggins played a sold game.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tru, give it up before you lose even more credibility.

The point swings when DeAndre came in were obvious and painful. He was lost and getting ripped a new one on almost every other possession (not to mention the charges, and the bad threes early in the shot clock that have become his trademark).

No, he was not the only one, and Jodie was probably even worse, but he did stick out as one of those not getting the job done. Nor am I the only poster today to note how confused he was throughout the game.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 27, 2008 11:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ken ...

… give it up before you anger me. You are reaching the point of diminishing returns. I have had to constantly ask you to control you hyperbolic rhetoric, and I am not going to ask you again. This is an ongoing issue, and if my credibility is shot with you, do me the favor of not having to take drastic action and take this kind of commentary elsewhere.

I hope I am clear on this. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are doing what Forty gets grief from me for doing — peddling your opinion as fact, and in the process, you are being very rude to others and coming perilously close to bashing Liggins. I am done with that.

Finally, in case it is not clear, you may not question my credibility on my own blog. Period. You may disagree, you may argue, but you had best reign in this nonsense.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright, I get it. The Golden Rule.

He who has the gold makes the rules, or, in this case, he who runs the blog makes the rules.

Is it permissible to question your objectivity, or is that verboten as well?

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 4:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right about the Golden Rule ...

… but not the misconstrued one you offer.

What we have here is a difference of opinion. Yours is no more valuable, intrinsically, than mine, but when you suggest that my opinion is a credibility issue when it demonstrably isn’t, it’s offensive. You wouldn’t want me saying the same thing to you. That’s the Golden Rule part.

My rules are Patrick Swayze’s rules in Roadhouse — “Be nice.” It’s really that simple. “Tru, give it up before you lose any more credibility” is not nice. It’s not even a valid statement considering that we were offering contrasting opinions, not disputing a fact.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will NICELY ask you address this, then.

When both Porter and Liggins miss the same number of shots in the game from 3 (16 in a row for Liggins), why is it that your comment immediately following that observation is: “Porter has got to learn to hit open shots”?

You did not say Liggins needs to learn, or THEY need to learn (which is true), you said PORTER needs to learn, even though statistically he is shooting better from three than DeAndre.

This is not an area where you can chalk it up to opinion. We know how many shots they missed, and we know what you said. These are not matters of opinion. They are expressions of observable, empirical fact, and the many such digs you have made over a period of time leave the definite and firm impression that you have some obsession with trying to paint Mike in the worst possible light, while treating his competition with kid gloves.

The very first post I ever made on this site months ago addressed this very bias, which struck me from the first day I found the site. And now, here we are, months later, and you are still doing the same thing. Liggins missed his 16th in a row, but it is Mike who needs to learn how to shoot. (His seven assists in the Tenn. State game were also damned with faint praise by your comments, as you may recall, although I concede that perhaps only the most sensitive would be struck by them.)

Frankly, I was not initially a huge Porter fan, but I have felt the need to defend him because of all the manifestly unjustified bashing of his efforts I have witnessed on this (and some other sites). It seems to me to be so unjustified by any objective measure, and whenever his performance is so good that it cannot be bashed with any credibility, it is said, “Well, he did okay against slow white guys, but he’s going to suck when the SEC games roll around.” This is the tenor of what goes on here all too often, and others have noted it as well (see the articles in the major dailies).

It is as though you don’t want the man to succeed out of fear you will have to admit you were wrong about BCG’s decision to give him the playing time.

To me, this raises legitimate issues of OBJECTIVITY (perhaps not credibility) that one ought to be permitted to pursue on any site that values open and honest discourse, where one is not afraid to have his opinion examined for legitimacy.

I AM NOT BASHING DEANDRE, BUT WISH TO ILLUSTRATE A POINT.

It is a FACT that DeAndre took (and missed) long shots early in the shot clock, that he had the turnover and two charges (3 fouls in 15 minutes), and that the coach pulled him at least in part for not playing effective defense, and later told the media that DL was among those who had played “efense — no D.” He missed two of three from the line, missed two of three from the field (including his 16th consecutive missed 3), and had only one rebound and no steals or blocks. Against that FACTUAL background you assert your OPINION that he played “a pretty good game.”

What am I permitted to say — politely — when I chance upon an opinion that seems manifestly at odds with the observable facts?

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ken P

I am asking as a member of this blog which I truly love to stop this stuff. You have said enough.

by kykat51 on Dec 28, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK ...

I will address the Porter comment. Here is what I said:

Good game by Porter, pretty good game by Liggins. Porter has got to learn to hit open shots. He was better last year. What happened?

First of all, Porter is a junior, and he shot the ball better last year. He deserves more pointed criticism about something that we know he is capable of doing better than Liggins, whom we do not. I would prefer that Liggins take fewer threes, as he has not yet really learned when to shoot them. I have criticized him for this before, but I felt that Porter was more deserving owing to the fact that he no longer has the excuse of youth.

Your criticism of Liggins does not take into account the difference in experience, and that, I feel, is a flaw. Nowhere have I ever suggested Mike Porter should not be allowed to play, as you did, and I called you on that absurd comment — so tell me, what conclusion should I draw from that?

Another point I will raise is that it is unnecessary to question anyone’s objectivity. If you feel an argument is slanted, present an argument for the reverse rather that decrying that person for lacking objectivity. Sometimes, things aren’t what they seem, or people don’t consider all angles. That doesn’t justify accusations of bias, which carries a highly pejorative ring. In fact it baffles me why you write comments like this, demanding answers to perceived inconsistencies rather than simply pointing them out unaccompanied by accusations of bias and lack of objectivity.

Further, I absolutely deny that there has been Porter bashing on this site, by me or anyone else. I do not allow it. Your accusations are false, in my opinion. I would respectfully request that you stop attacking people for making comments that may not look fair to you. Instead, show a little decorum and point out the error without the concomitant pejorative.

It is as though you don’t want the man to succeed out of fear you will have to admit you were wrong about BCG’s decision to give him the playing time.

Another bizarre accusation which has no place here. I would never accuse you of this. Why do you think you can make such an accusation against me? It is absurd on it’s face, and isn’t remotely justifiable.

If you want to know how to behave on this site, take your cue from Chirop, or EEWildcat. They always handle themselves with grace and decorum, yet still make excellent, cogent arguments, sometimes at length.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The good news is that I will now cease and desist from this line of discussion.

I apologize for getting your dander up, and trust my feelings have been made known.

The bad news has to do with my plea for scrutiny of the distinction between “its” and “it’s,” and I fear that now is not the time to bring it up. (insert smiley-faced emoticon here)

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gah!

Well, I did ask you to do so. Thanks. :-)

“… absurd on its face.”

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

An your write, EBM (everyone but meeks) is dismal from three lately: Porter, Slone, Miller, and especially Liggins.

by EEWildcat on Dec 28, 2008 8:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jarvis ...

… is a good coach. He had a bit of a mess up in St. Johns, but he is a solid coach.

Jodie really struggled with defense, not because he was lazy, I think, but because he gambles too much. He has to learn to stay home. Yes, the break-away dunks are impressive, but it’s more impressive to me when he guards 3-point shooters well.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay I read through the cascaded comments and didn't see this addressed...

But I’m really curious about this statement:

Coach G is also jeopardizing our chances to win by using the game to discipline the top PG in the country, but I gotta give him kudos for sending that message.

Is Billy hiding Ty Lawson somewhere on our bench?

I don’t mean to be sarcastic, but to imply that Galloway, Liggins, or Porter qualifies in any discussion of even the top 50 point guards in the nation would be a stretch IMHO. I like all the guys, but All-Americans they are not.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 29, 2008 8:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha!

Great point. I got a belly laugh out of that flawless use of a combination of sarcasm and humor.

Well done.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 29, 2008 8:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lest We Forget

I haven’t checked every game but as I recall UK had a set — discounting Patterson’s late-season injury — starting lineup for the latter part (perhaps the entire SEC) of the schedule. I expect something similar this year although the increased number of SEC caliber talents available will afford options.

by Wild Weasel on Dec 27, 2008 6:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Set starting line-up late last year

Jasper
Bradley
Crawford
Coury
Patterson

I don’t think you’ll see many members of the BBN celebrating that as an example of a solid “set” starting line-up.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 29, 2008 8:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not too concerned by today's game for several reasons...

UK won and come March no one will remember UK struggling today. It will just be another win.

UK won by playing way less than they are capable of playing. It is a good thing to play your “C” game and still do enough to win.

Not every game can be a thing of beauty and I will allow for an ugly game from time to time especially if they win.

FAU played extremely well and hit all kinds of shots. Their guards were better than ours today which is some reason for concern.

by SevenRings on Dec 27, 2008 7:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Give them some credit

FAU was a lot better than their record, and a lot better than the last 3 teams we played. They hit open and contested shots, and didn’t turn the ball over much.

Still, we should have beat them handily – we didn’t play well. But they did play a great game and took advantage.

by EEWildcat on Dec 27, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FAU played better than usual, but we were 2 of 18 from three-point territory.

That will make every game close at best. Most of those were open shots that we just plain missed, which seemed to have nothing to do with FAU’s defense.

Had we hit even a third of those shots, the game would have been a blow-out.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 27, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Almost all of those 3’s were good shots (except one by Meeks and one by Liggins). Meaning, they were open and in good position, and didn’t need to be hurried – no excuse for missing so many. We really need to fix the 3’s. When Jodie’s not hot, we’re abysmal. It’s sad when Jorts and Stevenson are shooting better from 3 than everyone but Meeks lately.

by EEWildcat on Dec 27, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3 pointers

I honestly don’t remember the last team we put on the floor where I was confident a three pointer was going in when it was taken. 98 maybe?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 29, 2008 8:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great coaches do not

instill confidence in there opponents. Great coaches do not deflate there own players confidence. Great coaches that have better interior players than back court players do not play a 3 guard offense. Because a coach is a very good recruiter does not make him a great coach. Great coaches are not so hard headed that it becomes a detriment to the team. Our coach better start learning from his mistakes or he will not survive here. He better recruit a quality point guard or he will not survive here. I was very happy with the selection of BG as our coach but he has a lot to learn. He looked very frustrated at the end of the game but he has no one and I mean no one to blame but himself for this game being close. This year we have a team that has the ability to beat UL but I’m not sure we have the coach that can. I hope I’m wrong.

by Grasslands1 on Dec 27, 2008 8:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

As Jimmy Durante used to say,

“Everybody wants to get into the act!”

BCG is only a 5-time conference coach of the year in three different conferences, but maybe you are smarter than he is about the game of basketball, so maybe you should send him a note about how smart you are and whom he should be playing and then God will be in His heaven and all will be right with the world.

Seriously, before you start telling us how much smarter than our coach you are, you ought to learn how to spell “their” so you could be taken a little more seriously. This is the kind of mindless prattle (coach is not great — I’m great; listen to me) that gets UK fans a bad name (in some circles anyway).

This team is getting better by the day, and incidentally, BCG was not playing a three guard offense — he was playing a three guard defense because of what the Owls were doing, and it worked. Pretty damned smart move, actually.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 27, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Except for the ad hominems, we don’t need that. Gillispie did a great job and won the game.

Also, in addition to the good point about the defense, we played three very good 3-point shooters in the game when they were packing it in and triple-teaming Patterson every possession. That’s not at all a bad strategy, and gives these guys a chance to get comfortable. Unfortunately they were cold, but maybe they knocked out some jitters. I think Sloan did.

And guess what, we got the WIN. He can experiment all he wants as long as we win, in my book. And win we did. That 3-guard lineup was very effective, even though we didn’t make our shots.

by EEWildcat on Dec 27, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This attitude had better stop.

You have reached the limit of my tolerance.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing in that post was an ad hominem remark.

And I think the sarcasm was warranted. If you deign to lecture the coach, you should be prepared to have the arrogance of that position pointed out. If you arrogate to yourself the authority to make grand pronouncements about what “great coaches do” and do not, and if you accuse our coach of being “hard-headed” and “a detriment to the team,” and say that he “better start learning from his mistakes,” and “has no one to blame but himself,” it seems to me you ought to be man enough to take a little sarcasm.

It appears I could be wrong about that.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out what “attitude” has reached the limit of your tolerance.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 27, 2008 11:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Before you tell us how much smarter than the coach you are"

That is a personal attack. I don’t care if you’re used to doing that elsewhere. Don’t do it here.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can take it back a notch, of course.

But what was said about my coach by the original poster was a lot more of a personal attack than anything I responded with.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 1:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Poisoning

Ken, you make some very good points. Unfortunately I think what has happened in the past is that you have made some comments that many of us read as mean-spirited attacks (including attacking this guy’s spelling and attacking Liggins’ intelligence) and that “poisons the well” and influences the way people read your subsequent posts. So not only do people not want to hear your good points (almost all of those in this thread I agree with), but also they are going to read some of your ripostes as being more vicious than they would be in isolation.

by EEWildcat on Dec 28, 2008 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And by the way ...

… if you want to point out arrogance, there are far more polite ways to do it. If you don’t want to be polite, fine. Just don’t comment.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Finally ...

… Sarcasm can be clever, it can be witty, and it can be provocative, and not in a good way.

Your sarcasm was bitter, misdirected and intended as a provocation. That is unacceptable. You have repeatedly done this, and I insist that you stop.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If what you are trying to say is that one can be pointed without being ungracious, then I agree.

Different blogs have different protocol, and in attempting to discern the posting protocol for this site, I took my cue from the things you and/or Ken Howlett have said about me and my comments at one time or another. After you review them, I would be interested in your evaluation of what rule of decorum seems to be suggested by them.

You (by which I mean you or Ken) have on various occasions written that my opinions are (1) "transparent nonsense," (2) "laughable", (3) "foolishness", (4) "wrongheaded", (5) a "rant", (6) "full of hyperbole," (7) "false conclusions provided under the façade of reasoning," (8) "95% supposition masqueraded as fact," (9) "10,000 logical fallacies in 11 or 12 paragraphs of foolishness," and, (10) "a silly tirade that makes no sense to anyone but you."

I leave it to you to say what standard of civility these comments reflect. One could argue that they are not the words of a cordial and gracious host, and that they would seem grossly at odds with the standard you espouse for others. Obviously, they provide something less than compelling argument, and do not contribute to the discussion in any useful way. They have value only as weapons of overt discourtesy and pique.

Nor did you stop at this great miscongeniality. While claiming that the site solicits opinions of all stripes, you have said of me, "I don’t care what you think . . . and I doubt anyone else does, either." You have said, "I am dead sick and tired of hearing you." You have boasted that your own comments were designed to "teach [me] a lesson in humility" — this from a man (you, Tru) who pontificates about "fisking [my] screed," and vainly posts that his own comments are "nearly irrefutable." You have commented that my refutation of your opinion was "obvious only to you, if even that can be said." It is not clear what that last comment was supposed to mean, but from the context one can only conclude that it was not designed to celebrate the diversity I bring to the site.

Nor was this the extent of your efforts to illustrate for me the rules of proper decorum on this site. You once advised me, with great condescension, "Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back, pal." I guess you thought my name was "Pal," or that referencing me with that epithet was an expression of fellowship and magnanimity.

You further said of me, "You couldn’t eviscerate a dead hog with help from a professional butcher." I think that was supposed to be an attempt at great wit. You lectured me that bad games "happen to freshmen. Apparently you don’t know that. Now you do." Perhaps you believed that to be witty, but if there is manner and courtesy in that response, it does not leap from the page.

But my all-time favorite example of the standard of civility set by the leadership of this site is this gem from Ken: "If you were his father, I wager Liggins would be on suicide watch. I know I would be." That’s right – my deficiencies as a father are such that my children are likely to be looking to commit suicide.

As a father of five children, I could say that I find comments about a man’s children or his fatherhood deeply offensive and in the poorest of taste, and believe that they should be off limits in any civil discussion. But it would be mock outrage, because really my skin is far too thick to be offended by any of this. If I were that offended by your name calling and condescension, I wouldn’t bother to supply your site with the benefit of my observations. The truth is that I recognize that at heart you are affable, sociable guys who simply get very defensive when challenged, and resort to name calling out of frustration as a proxy for rational argument. I recognize it, and am not offended by it in the slightest. I have always felt that fetid condescension says more about the author than it says about his target.
 
I do, however, find it more than passing strange and more than slightly hypocritical that you can speak of me as you do while decrying my much tamer comments, and declaring them verboten. An objective reader attempting to discern the relevant protocol from your posts would search in vain for a rule that would forbid mine but permit yours.

On the one hand, this is a site where it is okay to say, "Listen, Pal, I don’t care what you think, and doubt anybody else does, either. I am dead sick and tired of hearing you, and I will now teach you a lesson in humility. Everything you write is a silly, laughable, fallacious, nonsensical, foolish, hyperbolic rant of a tirade, and if I were your son, I would kill myself." That’s what you said, my friend[s].

Here’s what I said (to a poster who called my coach a "hard headed detriment to the team who better start learning from his mistakes"):

"Seriously, before you start telling us how much smarter than our coach you are, you ought to learn how to spell ‘their’ so you could be taken a little more seriously."

Certainly there is an argument to be made that my comment lacked grace and benevolence. I do not, however, see that there is any credible argument that my comment is more of an ad hominem personal attack than what this site has – repeatedly — said of me. I do occasionally play the provocateur, but as Shakespeare wrote, "I am a man more sinned against than sinning." (King Lear 3.2.59)

Another authority springs to mind: Matthew 7:1-2.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 4:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ken ...

… I’m afraid I don’t have the patience to respond to this in detail. I was angry last night. I admit that my rebukes of you were excessive and apologize for that. Further, I would like to just address my concerns a bit more dispassionately.

Here are my points, and this isn’t just for you, but for everyone:

  • Refrain from excess sarcasm, and try to mix in a little humor so that it reads better. Yes, all including me are occasionally guilty of that. I had felt that I had read far too many from you. I felt that you were ignoring my earlier remarks in other threads where I asked to not to do some of these things, and that’s what made me angry. Rather than belabor that, I simply ask that you try to be more thoughtful of others, and keep your sarcasm light or tempered with humor.
  • I am a human being, but I also run this site. Without adjudging myself deserving, I demand a certain amount of respect due to that fact. Disagreement can be as strong as you like, but remarks like “You have lost all credibility” are offensive. You wouldn’t like it if I said that to you, and you would be well within your rights to object to such a characterization. The Golden Rule is applicable here.
  • Please try to be fair to the players. Saying that Liggins shouldn’t play is just wrong. It’s fine to hold an opinion that he should play less, or that he is causing a problem. But let’s keep in mind that these are just kids. The same holds true for Porter and everyone else. Yes, I said strongly Porter shouldn’t start, and I still believe that, but start he does. I accept that, and the results have been sound, and I have praised his improved play. If it continues, he may well change my mind. Bottom line — criticize a player’s game, but realize they are part of a team, and don’t let that criticism turn into badgering or bashing.
  • Finally, for God’s sake, please avoid using poor spelling as justification for rebuking someone. That’s just wrong. If you want to correct my often-challenged grammar or spelling, I encourage that, as I have said many times. But as we have often found, spelling and grammar are impossible to correct in the comments. If someone is misspelling a word that annoys you (I misspelled Slone’s name repeatedly, and BBallSophist thankfully corrected me) point it out, but don’t tie it in as a challenge of someone’s intelligence or judgment.

In general, all I want is for the commentary to be friendly at all times, and that we avoid passing off opinions as fact. When you do that, it has the effect of saying to others that their opinions are irrelevant, which is not the case at all. You may freely disagree, but don’t try to foreclose arguments by claiming to know something as fact which is in reality highly subjective, or not subject to scrutiny by the general public. I don’t like opinion passed on as “insider” knowledge, and generally reject that out of hand.

Make arguments defending your position, but realize and accept that others may not be persuaded. If you want to provoke, at least inject a little humor into your effort to soften the blow and avoid inviting tart replies that can cause the discussion to deteriorate.

I know that many sites allow all kinds of commentary, but what makes this one different is that we don’t. I know you know this, but keeping the discussion polite and avoiding the personal is supposed to be what separates A Sea of Blue from the rest of the blogosphere. Of course, we all fail in that area sometimes, including me, but that is no excuse for not succeeding as often as possible.

I value you as a commenter and hope that we can agree on this, and move on.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my god...

…I hope we don’t start pointing out misspelled words, for that is my weakness… lol

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 28, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough. I have a grammar story from Travis Ford's and Jon Hood's high school.

A hundred years ago I was addressing the Madisonville Rotary Club, and the editor of the local paper (“The Madisonville Messenger”) told me that my old English teacher at MNHHS (yes, Ford, Hood, and I share alma mater) used to call him every day to give him the skinny on the grammatical errors he and his staff had committed/missed in that day’s newspaper (which she called “The Daily Disappointment”). He dreaded the calls, but valued the advice, because as a conscientious writer, he wanted to get better.

In that spirit, and only because I have been asked, I will ask you to stop using the word “aught” when you mean “ought,” and to revisit the difference between the word “it’s” (which is a contraction for “it is”) and the word “its” (which shows possession). I am delighted that you have solicited correction, because in all candor these two have irked me, though I have held my tongue/pen/keyboard. I will happily render further advice if there is a way I can do so without appearing pedantic (like Ms. Mary Hart Finley of MNHHS).

BROADLY SPEAKING:

I realize I am not in the majority on this, but I have a bias against poorly written blog material and comments. I presume poorly written and poorly proofed means means poorly reasoned, and I usually find the presumption justified. I personally feel that out of respect for my fellow posters and commentators I owe them the courtesy of at least proofreading what I have written, instead of just slapping something sloppy up there for all to slog through. It is apparent that not all posters feel that way, but as Martin Luther said, “Here I stand; I can do no other.”

Finally, there have been only two occasions when I have jabbed another poster for bad grammar or proofing (despite their ubiquity), and on both occasions it was because I perceived the author to be lecturing, and claiming for himself some great authority and wisdom that the rest of us (or the coach) do not have. I find sloppy writing to be more acceptable where it is accompanied by humility in the message, but where the message seems pompous and arrogant, to me it cries out for remonstrance. I think my point is a valid one — if a poster expects his commentary to be taken seriously, he should take the crafting of it seriously, the occasional, inevitable typo or spelling error notwithstanding.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK ...
In that spirit, and only because I have been asked, I will ask you to stop using the word "aught" when you mean "ought," and to revisit the difference between the word "it’s" (which is a contraction for "it is") and the word "its" (which shows possession).

You will note that I have corrected the aught/ought violation I above. I have a former English teacher who is kindly helping advise me on my occasional grammatical and spelling faux pas (he messaged me earlier about an aught/ought in this very piece. I’ll get it eventually). I do appreciate that. I do know what the difference is, though, so just pointing out the error is all it takes. I am occasionally up against deadlines, and when that happens, my proofreading can be pretty cursory, so I don’t mind additional eyes pointing out an error.

I agree with the concept of proofreading and all you have said. I will point out, though, that in my experience, there is no perceptible connection between occasional misspellings and reasoning. That, in my opinion, is a fallacy. With due respect, I have found just as many well-written arguments that are poorly reasoned as the reverse. I also wish you would clarify what you mean by “sloppy” and “slog,” as it is my opinion that a grammatical error or two, or a misspelling or two do not invalidate reasoning, render the comment unworthy of a civilized response, or justify a characterization of “sloppy.”

Pomposity and arrogance, with all due respect, appear to be something you are intimately familiar with. I will confess to the same flaw, but pomposity or arrogance do not justify responses designed to escalate rather than inform. A stinging comment is no more effective than a careful exposition of error or disagreement, keeping in mind the feelings of the person in question (This is not just for you, but also for me). We will not consider bad grammar or misspelling a crime here on A Sea of Blue, and I do request that any such errors particularly in the comments, if they offend your sensibilities to the point you really must address them, be handled with decorum and not a nasty rebuke.

For my part, I am fine if you point them out. I appreciate it, in fact. Others don’t, so do try to keep that in mind.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Please note the last sentence in my earlier post regarding the occasional inevitable typo or spelling error.

“I think my point is a valid one — if a poster expects his commentary to be taken seriously, he should take the crafting of it seriously, the occasional, inevitable typo or spelling error notwithstanding.”

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK.

That’s fine.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Beware Ken P!

I am the grammar policewoman here at ASOB.

by kykat51 on Dec 28, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And also the policewoman...

Of riff-raff crap posted. :-)

by kykat51 on Dec 28, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A win is a win.

Though not pretty, I’ll take it.

by kykat51 on Dec 27, 2008 8:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The best thing.....

was we stepped up to the plate and put the game away at the end. Considering what we’ve seen earlier this season, that’s very encouraging.

I agree we need to stick with a lineup rather than playing with it in the middle of this kind of game.

They’ve got to learn to pour on that defensive pressure and keep it coming. They’ve got to disrupt any kind of perimeter play and stop those 3s. That and the ability of someone other than Jodie to step up on perimeter shooting are going to be a big part of our future success.

by slidemank on Dec 27, 2008 8:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Put it away at

the end? What game your you watching? If they don’t throw the ball to Stevenson with 23 seconds left and hit a shot instead we have a one shot difference and there could have been trouble. Did anybody notice that twice, Porter was getting instructions on time outs and down right turned and walked away from the coach that was talking to him. That last time it was BG himself. Kykat I’ll take it too but it was a loss when it comes to confidence and that will cost us in the long run and it will cost us in the seeding we get at tournament time. We will be better at year end just like last year when we lost to Georgia in the SEC tournament and we were out after one NCAA tournament game. This team has the talent we just need the coach to quit playing with his players heads.

by Grasslands1 on Dec 27, 2008 8:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is absolute nonsense.

We played those games last year (Georgia and Marquette) without our star player (Pat was on the bench), in case you do not recall, and it was some of the best coaching in the country last year.

And few things give a team as much confidence as gutting out a close game when things are a little off — things like our best defensive player leaving the game with back spasms, and Galloway having to be benched for disciplinary reasons, and everybody cold from 3. This game is a confidence builder, not the opposite.

Despite all of that going against us, we still won, chiefly because our coach remained flexible and made the changes and adjustments necessary to win on a day when things were going against us.

Say what you like about the line-up that got played, but tell me which other line-up we’ve seen all year that kept us to a mere 7 turnovers. What was previously our biggest liability was turned into a strength by reason of BCG’s flexibility with his line-up. That had as much to do with our victory as anything. Seven is the fewest turnovers we’ve had all year by far.

 I hope we see this line-up more often — it just needs to start hitting the threes.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 27, 2008 10:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches instructions

I didn’t notice Porter, but I did have a moment of concern late when I saw Coach addressing PPat and saw what appeared to be Patterson brushing off the coach’s comments. It could have been a TV shot entirely out of context, but it made me nervous.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 29, 2008 8:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, at the end.....

they won the game. That’s puttin it away as far as I’m concerned. I agree with you on the fact the substitution might have been suspect, but they did win it. I’m not sure I agree that it was a loss as far as confidence. Only time will tell if that is true. Yeah, there are still a lot of things that have to change come tournament time, but I don’t see this as a set back. We’ll see what happens against UofL. That will be a much bigger test of what this coach/team is made of.

by slidemank on Dec 27, 2008 9:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sub Pattern, Billy G, THe Fans

I just cannot figure out what Billy G is trying to do… He is a mystery coach to me… Wins are wins but I am just not sure of really where this team is… I think we will find out allot about this team when they play U of L next week… I was at the game today and the crowd in general was a little flat which seems to be the pattern the last two years… When Cats made second half run the crowd picked it up which was good to see… Still allot of people leaving with five minutes to go in a tight game though… Also it is time for ALLOT of the fans to invest in some new UK clothes… Worst dressed group of people ever today!!!

ShagOnSports

by ShagOnSports on Dec 27, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

New UK clothing?

Could very possibly be the effects of the downturn in the economy. I was not at the game. Just be glad the fans spent their dollars on a seat in Rupp. It is very difficult for some of these fans who have families to support and may have lost jobs recently to even have enough money to attend a game.

by kykat51 on Dec 27, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dawahares went under

That’s where I always got my best UK stuff!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 29, 2008 8:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well I had no idea of the Galloway- Pilgrim argument

In practice yesterday. I did know about Meeks being ill yesterday and Ramon’s back spasms. Maybe that was why Meeks was off today?

I am sorry all you folks but sometimes discipline is necessary with these kids. I trust my Coach as he sees this team everyday in practice and we do not. Does anyone think they know more than Coach how to handle all these raging hormonal young players vying for playing time?? Humph! I know I would not want his job no matter that I helped rear 6 teenagers.

Just accept it and everyone will feel better.

by kykat51 on Dec 27, 2008 9:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Right on Kat!

I seem to remember a lot of folks with issues regarding BCG’s decisions earlier this season, and things suddenly turned around. I’m not sayin I agree with all his decisions but this is still only the 2nd season and I have seen a lot of positive things transpire.

Ken just chimed in above and he’s right. Every game is different and while we may not understand the rhyme or reason behind every move, we have to realize that we’re not there on the front lines so to speak.

Bottom line is there are a lot of really good changes coming about that show some growth and understanding. Keep watching and this team can most definitely surprise you on down the line.

by slidemank on Dec 27, 2008 10:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bottom line

This UK team seems to have its share of collateral issues. But the fact remains that the SEC season is around the corner now, and games will be won or lost according to whether Coach Gillispie can cut through all the distractions and produce better perimeter play.

Truzenzuzex made the observation that Jodie Meeks was “cold from the outside”, but that isn’t the full story. When you only have two credible scorers, good coaches will try to take your first two scoring options away from your offense. MIke Jarvis put a defender in Meeks’ face throughout this game and doubled-down his defense against Patterson. The Owls weren’t able to stop either player, but they limited Meeks’ scoring enough to stay in the ball game.

The real story of this game was that the Cats are not improving enough on the perimeter. Playing on their home floor, the Cats shot 54% from the floor and 75% from the free throw line. UK outrebounded the Owls by 10 rebounds. The Cats only committed seven turnovers. Further, Pat Patterson had 27 points and 14 rebounds.

And despite all of those good things, the Owls were down by only two points….and in position to win the game….late in the second half.

Why? Because UK’s guards gave FAU’s guards too many good looks at the basket from three point territory. FAU shot 8-17 on their threes. That’s how the Owls hung in this ball game. If not for two late turnovers, the Owls might have won it. Actually, the ebb and flow of the game was fairly similar to the Cats’ opening loss to VMI.

Here’s the bottom line. At three positions, this UK team is as good as any team in the South. But unless Gillispie finds a way to get better play at the PG position, this team will lose more games they should win. This is in no way intended to be a criticism of Michael Porter or Landon Slone, both of whom are playing as hard as they can. But this team’s weakness is its poor perimeter defense, and that was plainly evident again today. We can talk until we are all blue in the face about what great kids Porter and Slone are, because it is true. And we can adopt Slone like we adopted Troy McKinley, Steve Massielo, and Cameron Mills. But until Gillispie puts an SEC-caliber perimeter defense on the floor, this team won’t reach its performance potential. No matter how sloppy Liggins is right now, he won’t get better on the bench. There is no way around it….Liggins has to play. Otherwise, expect to see more games like VMI, Miami, and today.

by Messenger on Dec 27, 2008 10:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The conclusion is baffling, because it flies in the face of the reality.

The fact is that Sloane and Porter were played because they were doing the best defensive jobs, and Jodie sat so much because he was not. Ditto DeAndre.

When Porter was switched to cover the hot hand for the Owls, he actually all but shut the man down, as coach Webster noted during the coach’s after-game show. What game were you watching?

When Liggins came in, he was constantly lost, and we instantly gave up a four point lead and actually fell behind. Then he took two more three-point shots early in the shot clock (both of which he missed, running his consecutive 3-pt. misses to 16), then he charged twice and coughed it up for the Owls.

Liggins was the REASON we had poor perimeter play today, not the answer to it.

When he came out in the second half, we instantly went on a 10 point run to put the game back in pretty good shape.

As I pointed out above, Porter is 21 Assists to 6 turnovers over the last four games, and DeAndre is 11 Assists to 14 turnovers over that same stretch.

The bottom line is that if Liggins plays, we lose, and right now we cannot afford that.

This is not mere opinion; his liabilities and the detrimental score swings that occur when he enters the games are observable facts.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 27, 2008 11:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You need to get off Liggins.

He played fine. Anyone can see that. You are bashing him. Stop it.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing ...
This is not mere opinion; his liabilities and the detrimental score swings that occur when he enters the games are observable facts.

You’re right. This isn’t an opinion — it is an attack. You know it, and so do I. I saw the same game as you, and I daresay I am as qualified as you to comment on basketball, and I know your “observable fact” is not a fact at all.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow guys........

Did we actually win this thing? You guys have a real bad blood thing eh?

by slidemank on Dec 27, 2008 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't run this but...

Ken really didn’t seem to be out of place in his commenting

by kenicat on Dec 28, 2008 1:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have addressed ...

… my concerns above in response to him.

I allowed my temper to temporarily overwhelm my reason a bit last night. He definitely didn’t deserve the excessive comments I made and my tone was poor.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 9:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm afraid ...

… I am going to have to disagree to a considerable extent. Meeks was cold. He got several wide open, squared-up looks that he just missed. Yes, FAU did a good job of taking his three point looks away in the second half, but Meeks showed us that he could do other things. That is encouraging.

There was really nothing wrong with our point guard play today. Where we struggled was in the fundamentals. FAU is perhaps the best screening team we have seen all year, very reminiscent of Bob Knight’s teams. They staggered the screens and ran guards around them all day long, and UK’s players failed to fight over the top. You must do that. Liggins, Porter and Meeks repeatedly went under screens. The only one who did not do that was Sloan, and he is a walk on. Yet somehow, he knows enough fundamental basketball to fight over screens. That tells me that Meeks, Liggins and Porter are either too lazy or just rejecting the fundamental principles of basketball because they think they know better.

The point guard play today was fine, offensively. We got the ball to Patterson and Stevenson in scoring position. What was not fine was perimeter shooting, and generally speaking, that was a problem because our shooters (other than Meeks) tried to take shots without being in good position. Also, FAU’s guards played very sharp 3-point defense, the best I have seen all year — we had very few open looks, comparatively. UK did a very poor job of setting high picks for Meeks in the second half, and Sloan was just cold or tired.

UK made fundamental errors, not athletically problematic ones. The point guard play was perhaps the best it has been all year, with UK’s point guards managing 7 assists vs. 2 turnovers. It doesn’t get any better than that.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This game........

was totally about FL Atl confidence and our lack of defensive containment. I agree with Tru in that I didn’t see Liggins make anymore errors than anyone else. The defensive intensity is what can win us some tougher games against better opponents. This team really played us today though. How can you deny that? BUT the perimeter defense was again our Achilles heal. As it has been quite often.

by slidemank on Dec 27, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hesitate to jump in here.

Once again, the negativity of our fan base absolutely astounds me. If we don’t beat every opponent by 20, it’s like a loss. I think we all need to realize the parity of college basketball these days. If you have an off night, I don’t care if you are UK or UL or any other team (except maybe UNC right now, they look very good) you can and most likely will lose. The lower level teams are so much better than they were in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. Developmental basketball at a young age means everybody good enough to play this game on the college level is a pretty good player. And when several pretty good players have good nights and your star players have so-so nights, you can be beat. It’s college basketball in 2008 and we need to put aside our negativity about this team and relish a win on a night when we easily could have lost this game. Jeez, we just steamrolled 3 straight teams, witnessed Meeks put together a string of unbelievable games and won on a night when we were off and didn’t seem to be guarding anyone. Yes, we gave FAU too many open shots. But as many open shots at they had, they made just as many contested shots and circus shots and shots that just plain should not have gone in.

I think we had the right people in the game at the right time in order to win this game on a night when no one other than Patterson had a really good game. And we won. One month ago, we lose this game on turnovers alone. We won! Did everyone forget that?

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by hoopchi on Dec 27, 2008 11:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Apparently.

Reading this thread has depressed me. No, we weren’t perfect. We ran into a hot team who couldn’t miss, and still won the game. Things could be worse.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Going back.....

It seems like a lot of this commentary stemmed from Tru’s original statement concerning BillyGs “tinkering” with the lineup statement. Once again we’re talking about one game here.

Every game is different. Let’s face it, Jarvis is no pushover. There is no doubt in my mind he had his team prepared going into this game. Sure, there are a lot of things we might disagree with, but you can’t dispute the fact that we won again.

And no hoopchi, I didn’t forget. Gosh, we did win eh?

by slidemank on Dec 27, 2008 11:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The thing about Gillispie ...

… is that he has a history of this sort of jockeying. I am questioning the excuses I have read. If they are true, then I apologize, but I am unconvinced at this point.. Meeks and Stevenson did not look sick to me, and nobody on the sideline reported any such thing.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I agree........

BCG is somewhat shady especially in the limelight. There are a lot of questions still unanswered. I have to admit I haven’t listened to BCG comment much though. I’[ve read the comments but not listened to him talk much.

by slidemank on Dec 27, 2008 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that BCG is evasive in press conferences.

But I have no problems with his adjustments of the line-up, particularly in the second year with a new team that includes 20 men on what is a true hodge-podge of a roster.

The vast majority of the criticism is simply uninformed grumbing by arm chair quarterbacks who haven’t seen anything other than the televised games, and who think they know more than the man who parctices the team every day.

The drop to seven turnovers was a remarkable development.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 4:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's ...

… the right way to correct a spelling error. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You must be unfamiliar with the new basketball drills.

They are called “parctices,” and you are all ignorant hillbillies for not knowing about them.

(.. or either I just didn’t proof that one as well as I OUGHT to have done…)

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Being a former hillbilly myself, I can say such things.

My children cannot believe to this day that I used an outhouse as a child. I do not miss that part of the good old days.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That last parenthetical ...

… is a very clumsy sentence fragment. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why ...

… the comment about “arm chair quarterbacks who haven’t seen anything other than the televised games …”?

See, this is what I don’t get. That remark is just unnecessary to your point. We are all “arm chair quarterbacks” here. Most of us do not get to see a lot of games. That doesn’t make us fools, or uninformed, or unworthy of offering an opinion on Gillispie’s line up. No, we don’t get to see practice every day, but that doesn’t mean that we don’t have a right to form an opinion on what we do see.

Can’t you see how disparaging that remark sounds? It almost says that if you don’t know everything the coach knows, you have no right to an opinion about his decisions. If that’s true, what purpose does this and other blogs serve?

Ken, Ken. I appreciate your opinion that you find nothing wrong with his decisions. That’s perfectly fine. But why do you have to style the rest of us as rubes? Is that really necessary? Can’t you see how arrogant and condescending that reads?

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a legitimate question...

… and there is a very real difference between an reasonable, informed fan and an arm chair quarterback in the modern vernacular.

An intelligent, reasonable fan always supports the team and knows that his role is to be a supporter. He knows that college teams have huge staffs, all of whom have spent most or all of their adult lives chasing the game of basketball, for a living. He knows that there is absolutely no way that a mailman or a lawyer or a clerk or a high school teacher is going to be able to invest enough of his life in the game to become as knowledgeable or as conversant about the modern college game as those who spend their lives in it, no matter how much TV they watch, or how many blogs they read.

He knows that he does not watch tape of the team and their opponents 24/7. He knows that he cannot visit all of the recruiting prospects the coaching staff sees. He knows that he does not see what the coaches see in practices every day, and during and after games as the players are receiving instruction. He knows he has no idea what the student athletes are doing in their studies, or what may be happening in their home life.
 And so on, and so on…

Because he is aware of how vastly superior the coaches’ knowledge is to his, he never makes ignorant pronouncements about how wrong the coach was not to play so-and-so, or not to go to such and such a defense, or to decline to recruit somebody he (the fan) has never seen. He knows that if he makes these pronouncements he will seem ignorant and pitiful to the other reasonable fans who also know their limitations and their rightful, honorable place.

The arm chair quarterback is unaware of his limitations. He foolishly believes that because he played high school or YMCA rec-league basketball, and reads (or runs) an amateur basketball blog, or watches the games on TV, and listens to the coaches’ call-in shows, and talks about the team with the other Rubes down at the Waffle House that he is smarter than the coaches, and that if only they would adopt his advice we would have an unending string of national championships. He criticizes substitution patterns, defensive strategies, and recruiting choices in a manner that presumes that he is the national authority in each.

The fan says, “I sure do enjoy watching that new kid from Scott County play. I hope he works hard enough to earn more playing time, because I like his style, and he’s such a nice kid. He seems to be doing a great defensive job in the paint, so I wonder why he isn’t getting more time. Look at his numbers from the IU game. Coach hasn’t been playing him much, and I hope that changes. Maybe somebody will ask about that on the call-in show.”

The arm chair quarterback says, “That game was the last straw, and if the coach doesn’t pull that kid from Texas and start playing Jimmy from Hopkinsville he’s not going to last long here. Everyone knows the ONLY way to beat Louisville is to go to the box and one with Danny on the point, and if coach can’t see that then he needs to go back to Mississippi. I’m tired of these turnovers (layups, missed foul shots, fill in the blank).”

As Jeff Foxworthy might say, “If the difference between these two approaches is not obvious to you, you might be an arm chair quarterback.”

I do not mean to suggest that the fan is always happy, and must be a great simpleton — far from it. But there is a certain modicum of humility that those who are not professional coaches should display. It is missing all too often.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm.

With this definition, you could make the argument that any criticism of the coach’s decisions is misguided because it cannot possibly be completely informed. Is that really what you are trying to say?

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Caught you Ken

in your first sentence " between an reasonable".

by Grasslands1 on Dec 28, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

I saw it earlier but I thought you would catch it….“a reasonable” ;-)

I think we need to rest this grammar thing if Ken P. will do the same. We really don’t need this type of stuff here…agree?

I took up for you but now it is time to rest our case. Amen.

by kykat51 on Dec 29, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly agree.

I didn’t read all of his postings until this evening. That was why I posted that. I appreciate the backing from you and Tru. Being well school does not make a person smart. A smart person does not assume.

by Grasslands1 on Dec 29, 2008 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Landon Slone

Hey, a W is a W, and as it was mentioned above, no one will remember the details of this game come Selection Sunday. But. . . I don’t get the slurping of Landon Slone. Yes, he hustled. Yes, he had some good plays. But Dave Baker and Kyle Macy were ready to give him the keys to the freakin’ city, when the fact is, had he knocked down some of the wide open threes he had, the game would not have been in doubt. Believe me, I’m not bashing him, but let’s have a little perspective – he was good, but not a (positive) difference maker by far.

Still a win, though, when we were just ice cold. So it’s all good. . .

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Dec 27, 2008 11:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I thought Sloan ...

… played really well. For a walk-on.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

S-L-O-N-E

It’s spelled “Slone”, guys. There seems to be some confusion.

Sorry, I usually ignore mis-spellings, but not with our player’s names. (-:

http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/kty-m-baskbl-mtt.html

by BBallSophist on Dec 28, 2008 12:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah ...

Dang. I don’t know why I mess that up. Thanks for the correction.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 12:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't disagree

But when you step on the court in a UK uniform in a varsity game when the game is still in doubt, you lose the benefit of being graded on a curve. It is irrelevant that he is a walk-on. If he hits 1 of a billion threes when he’s playing garbage minutes when we’re up by 40, hey, it’s a great story. But if he’s going to play big time minutes, he’s getting graded on big time metrics. And he’s there (yet)*. . .

*but he’s also a freshman, so maybe he’s the next Cameron Mills.

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by NYCCats on Dec 28, 2008 12:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

*"not" there yet

My fingers are idiots.

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by NYCCats on Dec 28, 2008 12:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point...

but let’s not compare him to Cameron yet. That’s a big step up………

by slidemank on Dec 28, 2008 12:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

He could be the next Michael Jordan, for all I know (he’s just a freshman – no one (including himself) knows how good he really is). He might even suck. Who knows?

But he wasn’t the “1A” player of the game, or whatever Baker and Macy wanted to call him.

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Dec 28, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha ha...........

that cracks me up! You can’t pay much attention to those guys. They’re paid off by the UK mob. Slone is just a messenger………don’t shoot the messenger man!!!

by slidemank on Dec 28, 2008 12:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know

And I actually like how they call a game. Baker’s a total homer, but I love him, and he knows when to just cheer and let the action speak for itself – I really don’t need impartial analysis of the Florida Atlantic (et al.) game. And I hope Slone’s the greatest goofy white kid out of Paintsville since John Pelphrey. Screw it – we won, I’m drinking the drink of the righteous.

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Dec 28, 2008 12:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Spoken like a true fan........

I hope you’re right! I do like Kyle Macy’s commentary though. He’s no Caywood, but then who is? These next few games are going to make or break this team!!!

by slidemank on Dec 28, 2008 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man ...

… Macy could use an injection of personality. His comments are sharp, but he delivery is … lacking. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 12:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt.....

It’s gotta be hard to call UK ball though. Especially this kind of UK ball……….lol.

by slidemank on Dec 28, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

He has a delivery built for newspaper.*

*or blogging :-)

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by NYCCats on Dec 28, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some humor

Was definitely needed here. Thanks guys.

by kykat51 on Dec 28, 2008 7:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The selection of Perry over Pat for player of the game was just as strange.

But Slone’s defense was outstanding, and he is certainly capable of hitting those threes most nights.

by Ken Pomeroy on Dec 28, 2008 4:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree ...

… that is a little strange, given Patterson’s scoring and rebounding.

Stevenson did seem to ignite the ’Cats in the second half, though. I think I could make a case for it based on that.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 9:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"A little strange"???????

Tru, that’s way TOO nice, even for a polite blog. Patterson was the MAN for Kentucky not only for his in-game performance, but his developing leadership, revealed by the fact (revealed in later comments) that he got in Stevenson’s face at half-time, make him the choice. Hard to believe the mumbling heads thought otherwise. Oops, that was maybe an opinion, and not a carefully thought-out , statistically-supported, factual discussion. I’ll try to do better.

by oldcat'69 on Dec 28, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was.

Ya know, I think sometimes they just want to give it to somebody else. You could almost make Patterson or Meeks the player of the game every game. Perry Stevenson did a lot of good things (many of them as a direct result of Patterson), but two big blocks, an assist, a steal and six rebounds to go along with 5-7 shooting. Certainly not as gaudy as Patterson, but he did give us a spark in the second half.

He also got two of his own shots swatted. That was a surprise.

Hey, and opinions are welcome, just not masquerading as facts. :-)

Patterson is doing very well. Maybe too well. Oh, well … :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You could almost make Patterson or Meeks the player of the game every game

I’ll agree with that. In much the same way that you could have made Michael Jordan or Shaq the MVP of the NBA every year during their primes, but sometimes you just had to give it to a Charles Barkley or a Steve Nash.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 29, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's ok

He did contribute a lot. Nice to see that out of the bench. Ah. it reminds me of the old days a bit.

by slidemank on Dec 28, 2008 12:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like BG,

he just frustrates the heck out of me. He must start the best players. This team is not good enough to get down early to good teams and not good enough to let inferior teams hang around. I have never or would never act like I know more than him but he is not perfect and he does need to learn from HIS mistakes. Living in Florida I watched Donovan become a much better coach as he went along because he learned from his mistakes. I am also glad we got BG instead of him. But for heavens sakes he is he has to let the best players play together and let them get comfortable as a unit.

by Grasslands1 on Dec 28, 2008 12:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I am fine with him starting Porter and Galloway together, because that seemed to work real well. I am not fine with him starting Porter and Meeks and AJ Stewart and an injured Ramon Harris.

What the heck?

oh well, off to bed.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Injured Ramon

I can get on board with AJ starting (almost)… but after what I read about Ramon not being able to even finish practice on Friday due to his injury, I am completely and totally flabbergasted that he played on Saturday much less started!!!!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 29, 2008 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I don’t know. Well, here’s hoping we won’t see that lineup again tonight.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 29, 2008 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Gillispie uses the bench and starting as a coaching/learning tool. We’ve heard first hand from Galloway how the lack of playing time motivated him (and then we saw how the glut of playing time de-movitvated him). And look at how successful he was last year in changing Crawford’s attitude, even when we were short-handed. It’s so successful for player development and we got the win. It’s a win-win situation. I don’t see how anyone can disagree with it. We’re 10-1 since our first two games, on a 5 game winning streak. That is not bad for not having a true point guard with any kind of experience.

by EEWildcat on Dec 28, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough ...

… but I am a big believer in, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” The lineup we were using wasn’t broke. He could always sit Galloway after we had a comfortable lead. Then again, the justification may have been sufficient, although as I have said Gillispie is notoriously reticent to explain his decisions.

As I said, he is going to mess around and cost us an important game doing this, and I don’t think that will be well received. Losing to FAU would have undone much of what we have done in the last six games, so I consider this game important. Your mileage may vary.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we lose...

… then I’ll be mad. And I’ll agree, we came close, but it’s a W. 8’)

by EEWildcat on Dec 28, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True, and I'll take it. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If it ain't broke

This was my feeling exactly as I watched the opening minutes of the game Saturday. I have since read the rumors that Galloway potentially was being disciplined for an argument at practice, I can get on board with not starting him for that reason. But I think we have seen too many effective starts to be tinkering with the starters at this point.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 29, 2008 9:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We do not

need to be english majors to post on here, so relax about peoples spelling and grammar.

by Grasslands1 on Dec 28, 2008 12:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

you've been caught..! lol

Practices, practices… we talking practices… we not talking ’bout games… we talking practices…

practices..?

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 28, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The devil made me do it :-))

After I saw how KenP had been talking to Grasslands, I just had to let him know about that misspelling.

by kykat51 on Dec 28, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You play to win the game...!

We won the game… ! Dang, after reading all that, I had to go back and check to see if we really won….

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 28, 2008 12:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes we won,

but these games matter come seeding time. If you listen to BG’s press conference yesterday I think he thought this game would be an easy win. Heck I know I did. But he has some very serious issues who he chooses to start and his substition patterns. But yes, we did win and I will take the W.

by Grasslands1 on Dec 28, 2008 12:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

True.

Actually, I don’t feel that the ‘Cats played all that bad. FAU executed brilliantly, and they were hot. UK’s defense wasn’t as good as it has been, but it has also been a lot worse.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FAU really did play well

Most of their shots were contested, but they drained them. They played a really clutch game. You have to give them credit. Our defense was solid, though not spectacular. They should have made a lot lower percentage of their shots than they did, but they really excelled.

by EEWildcat on Dec 28, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

B.I.N.G.O

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 28, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Holiday Time Warp?

I didn’t have all that much egg nog. Revelry was well within acceptable limits. And yet, with all the prolix exchanges between KP and Tru, I found myself having to ascertain that I was indeed on ASOB. The URL said ASOB, the format had all the appearances of ASOB but the irksome irrelevance and nitpicking were manifestly indicative of other less sober sites. One would hope that such tediousness is destined to be the exception rather than the rule.

by Wild Weasel on Dec 28, 2008 11:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… sometimes, you have to clear the air.

It happens in the blogging world, even here from time to time. Fortunately, very infrequently.

Despite the fact that I appear sometimes to be a blogomaton, I’m really only a human being. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 28, 2008 11:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tru

I hope it is cleared for the moment. I can understand where you were coming from as I have seen it happen on some other threads on this site.

He needs to respect all members here and especially the owner of the site, You, and Ken and JL.

Sometimes I just don’t understand why he wants to be here, unless he knows this is the best site for UK athletics….ha…that is it!

Kudos to you for your apology to him in a heated argument. I am not sure I could have done the same. Takes a lot to get my anger up and I was ready to punch the guy for his comments, and this was after I had been to sleep and awakened for the long day I had today with cooking a big after Xmas brunch for my family.

by kykat51 on Dec 28, 2008 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… as usual, I learned something about myself from the entire affair, and I am way past ready to close this chapter.

>>>> (this is me moving on) :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 29, 2008 6:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is a long basketball season

I hope that Ken P can adhere to the rules of this site.

by kykat51 on Dec 28, 2008 11:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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