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Billy Gillispie: A Different Breed of 'Cat

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When Mitch Barnhart hired Billy Gillispie as Kentucky's new basketball coach, I was ecstatic.  I had followed Gillispie's career since he became the head coach at UTEP in 2003 (I have paid particular attention to UTEP because of my respect and admiration for former Miner head coach Don Haskins).  By 'followed" I mean that I kept up with UTEP's' wins and losses.  Even in today's sports world of ubiquitous coverage and Internet provided information I knew very little about Gillispie's coaching style, or the particulars of his offensive and defensive tendencies.  I did know that in short order he rejuvenated UTEP and later Texas A&M.  To pull off what he did at UTEP is one thing, but to follow that success with another Penn & Teller sleight-of-hand performance raised his stock to a whole new level, at least in my mind. 

Like many other UK fans, when Gillispie's name began being mentioned in UK"s search for a replacement for Tubby Smith, my interest in finding out more about the A&M coach increased significantly.  What I discovered was not any different than any other fan: A dedicated coach, work-a-holic, solid recruiter, and he had already beaten U of L in Rupp Arena (this was a major plus).

But, what we didn't know about Gillispie could fill up the Ball Room at the Radisson.

What we have collectively discovered about Gillispie since his hiring is that he sticks to his basketball philosophies and beliefs as if his very life depends on them.  That isn't really much different than many coaches, but some of Gillispie's beliefs are so extreme, and because UK is the most storied (read stoic) college basketball program in the country, a sense of living out-of-the-box is present.  Because of that, his "new fangled ways" tend to be about as inconspicuous as a Spud Webb wind-mill slam.  In other words, we (the fans) like things done a certain way, and when a coach deviates from our game-plan, we're taken out of our comfort zone, at least I am.

Allow me to expound:

Gillispie's refusal to play zone defense --  When discussing Gillispie, this is one of the most debated game-related topics among UK fans.  Maybe not so much this year, but last year, with such a short-handed team, most fans wondered why Gillispie refused to play zone, if only to hide the deficiencies of the team.  Plus, it can be an effective way to give the squad a rest from the rigors inherent in playing man-to-man defense.  So why not play zone, Billy? 

The answer we received was that Gillispie despised playing zone, and he wasn't going to play zone, period.  Actually, on more than one occasion last year (late in the year), Gillispie played some sort of 2-3 zone for a couple of possessions, in a few different games.  But it was only a token effort.

I have learned to live with his strict adherence to all things man-to-man, because the team started winning, and that's what I care about. 

But there's more, such as ...

Gillispie's starting Mark Coury (and not playing Josh Harrellson) -- "Those who earn it, get it."  I can dig it, but the thing on my mind last year was that I could go to practice every day and hustle, and follow the coach's directions To ... A ... Tee, but that doesn't qualify me to start for the University of Kentucky.  Furthermore, that doesn't qualify me to play one single solitary minute for the University of Kentucky.  No, what qualifies a player to put on the Kentucky jersey and play is a combination of talent and coach-ability.  I, like Mark Coury, possess the latter, but not the former. 

Josh Harrellson, on the other hand, has been playing some very good basketball.  Since the beginning of the season he has impressed me more than any other newcomer.  Mainly because, in his previous four games leading up to Appalachian State, Harrellson had played a total of 87 minutes (just more than two full games), and in those 87 minutes Harrellson scored 48 points, recorded 25 rebounds, four blocks, and three steals (he also became a three-point threat, going 3-6).  Excellent production, by anyone's standards. 

His reward: Two minutes of action against Appy State.  Now, normally I don't question a player's floor time; Gillispie sees them every day, on average I see them for less than one hour week (actual playing time).  But I'm left scratching my head at Gillispie's explanation of Harrellson's reduced playing time being that he had two sub-par practices leading up to the game. 

That's a filament-line rope those guys are balancing on.  I like the fact that Gillispie lives what he preaches, as long as what he preaches wins games. 

And then there's this ...

Gillispie's sometimes unusual in-game strategy -- I cite three examples: 1.) Last year versus Gardner-Webb, a game UK famously lost: I was at that game, and I don't recall seeing Gillispie get up off the bench, other than for timeouts.  This topic was widely discussed, more-so at A Sea of Blue than anywhere else.  But, I still have no answer to why Gillispie seemed disinterested, except to theorize that he was making a point (painful as it may be) with his players, and feigning indifference.

2.) Last year on the road at Mississippi State: You remember that one; a 69-64 UK loss in which Jarvis Varnado recorded 10 blocks.  MSU as a team had 15 blocks.  "Why so many blocks?" one might ask.  Because the offensive game-plan was to drive the lane and have your shot blocked.  The result: Of UK's 40 two-point shots, 15 were blocked.  That's 37.5%.  It's nearly a year later, and I'm still perplexed. 

3.) This year versus VMI: Gillispie made no adjustments to counter-attack the Keydet's game-plan, which was to wear-out the scoreboard operator by halftime.  All night long he allowed a team with one proven outside shooting threat to swap threes with a team chock-full of Winchesters. 

I have no choice but to believe that messages are being sent, and minds are being toyed with, which isn't that unusual in the coaching profession, but it usually isn't so overtly executed.  Let's just say that I'm getting use to Gillispie's off-beat technique.  And no...

... I'm not down on Gillispie

How can I be down on a guy who next year, potentially, has a team that includes: Patrick Patterson, Daniel Orton, Jodie Meeks, DeAndre Liggins, Jon Hood, Perry Stevenson, Josh Harrellson, Darius Miller, Kevin Galloway, A.J. Stewart, and Matthew Pilgrim, among others.  A mere two years after taking the job, Gillispie will have his first legitimate Final Four threat if all of those players are on next year's roster.

How can I be down on a guy who last year won 12 SEC games with a team worthy of only eight or so? 

How can I be down on a guy who loves to coach (and win) as much as UK fans want Championship banners hoisted in Rupp?

No, I'm not condemning Gillispie, I'm just trying to come to grips with some of his ways, because I honestly feel that he will be the coach of UK's next National Championship team.  I think he's that good.  What I'm learning, though, is that the trip may be filled with complications, but hopefully that makes arriving at one's destination that much more sweet. 

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!

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BG to leave UK

at the end of this season.ESPN is reporting that he has accepted to play the “Riddler” in the upcoming Dark Knight film.BG will return as HC in the fall.Myles Brand will launch an emergency investigation to see if this violates NCAA rules.NABC has also filed a protest,citing movie stars have an unfair recruiting advantage.

by -Zoso- on Dec 22, 2008 6:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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NABC has also filed a protest,citing movie stars have an unfair recruiting advantage.

It honestly wouldn’t surprise me, unless Billy Donovan was doing it.

by the spork on Dec 22, 2008 7:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gillispie Is A Very Good Recruiter

And a very good coach. I’d like to see him improve his postseason (conference tourney, NCAA, NIT) record, which is Below .500 in 6 years. Even his regular season record has only yielded 1 conference title (UTEP, 2004) in 6 years.

UK is talented this year and very talented next year. Capable of 25 W () this year and 30 W () next year.

Each of the prior 5 UK coaches had won SEC title by their 3rd year at UK (Rupp 1933, Hall 1973, Sutton 1986, Pitino 1991 even though it didn’t “count” officially, Tubby 1998).

UK should be SEC champions in 2009 or 2010 at the latest. The talent will be there.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 8:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Billy C. G. has

a big task cleanign up the mess Tubby left.

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Dec 22, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not start this again.

We have had enough Tubby Smith discussion lately.

I suggest we give it a rest.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 22, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Practice makes perfect.

I think Gillispie obviously from his comments places a premium on effort in practice. He said Harrellson just had a poor performance during finals week in practice. This philosophy makes even the better players put forth more effort in practice which likely will make them a better team down the line. I think all the players understand this by now that mediocrity in practice will not be tolerated. This philosophy will also push the less talented to play harder resulting in the more talented players being further pushed to improve.

by gright on Dec 22, 2008 10:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I Don't Agree With That Approach

That was the technique that resulted in Brandon Stockton starting in place of Rajon Rondo during 2006 season.

The best players should start, not the best PRACTICE players.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok but

obviously Gillispie does and time will tell if he is right.

by gright on Dec 22, 2008 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think ...

… there is merit to both approaches, and I don’t think they are mutually exclusive.

You can’t get players to practice as hard if there is no reward for doing so. At the same time, not playing your best players despite so-so practices can be self-defeating and a failure of judgment.

You can do both.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 22, 2008 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Based on what I saw last season..

I think Gillispie tends to play the players that try hardest in practice more earlier in the season and toward then end of the season the more talented players tend to be playing more, although I don’t have the Privilege of watching them practice and I will admit I may be off base on this.

by gright on Dec 22, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Obedience

The players who get to play the most — regardless of the coach — tend to be those who work really hard to do what the coach tells them to do, and who do it most consistently and most successfully. Players who “do their own thing” don’t play much for any good coach.

by Fortunatus on Dec 22, 2008 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What's wrong with starting them against "cupcakes"?

If it’s a team we should beat by 30, I see no problem starting the best practice players. Even “Every Day is Senior Day” Mark Coury started but got pulled after 2 minutes. But correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think we saw Coury start come tournament time.
I agree with coach’s system – the early season is for player development, and if coach believes this develops players better (and I think it does) then more power to him.

It makes especially good sense if you follow the philosphy that the players that practice best perform the best. If you look at the last game, Jorts didn’t have a great game. But coach also said he didn’t practice well.

Really, it is going to start to matter less and less as we fill up our roster with talented scholarship players. Last year was kind of an aberration of injuries and coaching transition. But as time goes on, just by law of volume they are going to be comparable. If no one leaves next year (except maybe Donald Williams, and no offense to him, just that I heard he was a 1 year scholarship player), who on the team is not going to be talented enough not to play for Kentucky?? We are going to be totally loaded. It’s not going to hurt us at all to play the best (scholarship) practice players. (And I think what makes Meeks and Patterson their best is their effort and execution level, and a game-day practice is going to be a good measure of that)

by EEWildcat on Dec 22, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RE: EEWildcat

I have no problem with playing the guys that don’t get to play much. But, one of the aspects of winning that this team is working on as we speak, is team chemistry. In order to build the familiarity that a team needs with one another, they have to play together during a game.

That was the main problem I had with Gillispie not playing Harrellson the other night. Plus, he’s been so good, I have a hard time believing that he practiced so bad that it completely wiped-out the strides he’s made since early in the year. A secondary problem could be a potential lag in the players confidence, but I think Gillispie is smart enough to know what motivates his players, and what doesn’t.

I think Gillsipie has an interesting style. Some of his decisions can be baffling (to me at least), but he’s getting results, and that’s all that really matters.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 23, 2008 1:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Harrellson has been good

But not for the past couple of nights. So I agree with the limited playing decision. He got his chance, didn’t play well, and got benched. Coach played the players that were playing the best in the game! You should like that! Harrellson’s head has just not been in the game the past couple of games. He’s a junior, but still new to basketball at the UK level; he’ll get his stuff together and be an asset to the team.

by EEWildcat on Dec 23, 2008 9:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, he's a sophomore

Played one year of JUCO ball before being released from his NLOI with some school in Illinois, I think.

by Acdixon on Dec 23, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Western Illinois University

Harrellson signed there out of HS but want to trade up so he went JuCo for a year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 23, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ooops!

Good catch. Glad he has 3 years with us. He’ll improve.

by EEWildcat on Dec 23, 2008 9:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: EEWildcat

My point about Harrellson was that PRIOR to the Appy State game (where he played only two-minutes) he’s played exceptionally well. I cite his stats above.

You write, “He got his chance, didn’t play well, and got benched.” So what you’re saying is that even though he lit up the stat sheet previous to Appy State, in your mind he “didn’t play well.” Or do you mean that since he got benched he hasn’t played well?

Or perhaps he’s not playing well because he got benched.

Regardless, in my mind, Gillispie taking the guys minutes away because of a couple of bad practices, when he has so played so well, is worth questioning.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 24, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll try to make my point clear

BTW, when reading this, I’m not trying to sound snarky, but I’m just going to spell my point out so it’s clear.

I agree, for a few games before, up through a phenominal Indiana game, Jorts was playing very well. He also got appropriate playing time in those games. By appropriate I mean, he played well in the game and got more minutes.

In the last two games, Jorts did not play well the little time he was in. He started making mistakes from the second he came in. He was a step slower and less mentally alert than in the IU game. He didn’t get pulled from the game for not practicing well, he got pulled for poor play. So he got taken out, also appropriately. By appropriate here, I mean poor play in the game gets fewer minutes.

The point I’m making is this: Gillispie’s axiom that poor practice makes poor play in the game held true for Jorts during this time period. At least, according to Gillispie’s implication that Jorts didn’t practice well in his post-game comments, and I’m taking him at his word on that.

Good practice prior to Indiana PREDICTS good play, YIELDING more minutes
Bad practice prior to app state and tenn st PREDICTS poor play, YIELDING few minutes

I read your comment as not agreeing with Gillispie’s system that players who don’t practice well don’t get the first crack at playing time. I am agreeing with Gillsipie and disagreeing with you on that point. Everyone has on and off days, and if you have a game day practice, it makes sense to me that you will be able to gauge that as a coach. So there’s the reasoning point. But there’s also experimental evidence: I see the players that Gillispie says don’t practice well as not playing well. And the players that Gillispie does see as practicing well do seem to play better in games. For instance, reference Gillispie’s pre-game comments before App. St. where he said AJ Stewart has been coming along like gangbusters in practice. Then AJ has his best career game at Kentucky. And that was Gillispie’s PRE-game comments, not explaining AJ’s performance after the fact.

Maybe you are claiming Gillispie sets playing time based on practice performance? I don’t think so, unless someone really has a bad attiude (early last year’s Crawford). And I don’t think that is the case with Jorts. What he does do is give whoever practices the best the "first dibs’ at their position. He has said as much in press conferences before. Then he pulls them out when they make a (usually defensive) error or two. Then someone else gets a chance who has practiced well, until they screw up, and on down the line. So technically, by not starting Jorts he is limiting his playing time, but one thing we know Gillispie is consistent about is pulling out players that screw up, so Jorts eventually got his chance. I think Gillispie just didn’t think Jorts had his head in the game these last two games so gave other guys who were playing well (stevenson, stewart) a shot instead of putting Jorts back in again after he had played poorly. On the other hand, if Jorts had been playing well, you would see something more like the Indiana game minutes for Jorts. Both of these were based on in-game results, IMHO. They were not based on minutes pre-allocated before the game on how each player practiced. The fact that practice performance predicts game play (imperfectly) is incidental to who actually STAYS IN once they get in. So when I say Jorts got his chance, I mean he got put in the game – coach didn’t bench him because he didn’t practice well.

I am not down on Jorts. I like his game a lot (big body, posting, screening, blocking out, and making layups) and think he will be an asset to the team. But playing time is a competitive situation – you want your best guys out there. For the IU game, he was one of our best. Since – not so much. He had two bad games during finals week, so what? He’s a sophomore (thanks acdixon!) and in his first year at a big time program (and actual University, not a community college). He’ll be fine.

by EEWildcat on Dec 24, 2008 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: EEWildcat

I now understand what you mean with your earlier comment. Thanks for clarifying.

You do write a couple of things that I question: You say you don’t believe Gillispie “sets playing time based on practice performance.” Gillispie has stated numerous times that that is exactly how he doles out PT. G’s “whoever earns it, gets it,” mantra is based on practice.

Now I’m not condemning G for holding this philosophy, I’m just questioning if it’s always the best way to determine playing time. For example, he’s been singing the praises of Jared Carter for a year-and-a-half, but Carter has seldom seen the floor. Why? Probably because he knows playing Carter serious minutes would be a detriment to the team, regardless of how well he’s practiced. In Carter’s case I think G has made the right decision, regardless of his public pronouncements.

Mark Coury starting and playing several possessions per game last year was based on his practice performance. In a year where every possession was vitally important due to the vast number of close games UK was in makes me question his playing of Coury.

UK’ s history is littered with good practice players, but who did not perform well in games. The most recent being Josh Carrier.

Basically, I do agree with much of what you write, but I still don’t think that it’s in the best interest in the development of the player, ergo the team, to pull a guy who’s played so well, after only two minutes of action, regardless of how poorly he played in that extremely short period of time (or if he practiced poorly). Although, Stewart has been the recipient of many of Harrellson’s minutes and has performed very well, in my opinion.

G’s not dumb. He’s not going to cut off his nose to spite his face. Keep in mind that I love Gillispie, and the job he’s doing, but part of being a fan (especially one who writes for ASOB) is to call into question that which deserves questioning (in one’s opinion). That’s what I’ve done with the above post.

You make some really good points. Thanks for a hearty debate, and you and your family have a Happy Holidays!

by Ken Howlett on Dec 24, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Ken

I hadn’t heard that that Gillispie sets playing time based on practice. I had only heard that he picks who goes in first based on practice quality (including the starting lineup). Still, it seems to me that he lets players who are playing well stay in longer than those who don’t. Maybe it’s the correlation I talked about.

As far as player development goes as far as pulling a player after only a couple of minutes… I agree that in general that is a bad thing to do. Some players need some time to get going. But if someone doesn’t have their head in the game that day (as I claim Harrellson didn’t the last two games) you might as well try to give someone else a chance. Also, as coach G says, the bench is the best teacher. Maybe you think more about what you’re supposed to be doing when you know you’re hitting the bench if you don’t guard your man.

Thanks for the discussion! Happy holidays to you and yours as well!

by EEWildcat on Dec 24, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To your first paragraph: He's probably said both.

I agree that the bench is the ultimate motivator.

One of the by-products of Harrellson’s lack of minutes has been the play of Stewart, in my opinion, which softens my stance a bit on Harrellson. In all honesty, as long as the players on the floor are producing, I don’t care what jersey number they’re wearing, which is what you write about with this, " … it seems to me that he lets players who are playing well stay in longer than those who don’t."

I also think that’s true, and I obviously have no qualm with G coaching that way.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 24, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, the results have been good

Last game was the best performance of the Billy G era (granted, it was a cupcake, but the team executed the best and gave a full game of effort).

So we get the best results and at the same time get the “teaching” that Billy G wants. I don’t see a downside.

by EEWildcat on Dec 24, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We as fans don't have all the facts. For instance . . .

supposed a player brought an “F” in on a final and now his grade is below what the coach deems as acceptable. He cannot publicize the student’s academic problems, but might want to get that student’s “attention”. In this case, not playing could have nothing to do with how the player practiced and yet negativily impact the players time on the court.

I’m not saying this is true, just that it could be a plausible scenario.

by Blueobsessed on Dec 22, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Value of Competition

An excellent point about his commitment to his “basketball philosophies”. One of the biggest is obvioulsy the necessity of competing in practice. Just like in his second year at UTEP and A&M he now has enough athletes to really make that work. I know we haven’t beaten a big team yet but so far the evolution of this team has been kind of staggering. It makes you wonder where the ceiling is. I think it is very possible that we may look back on his unique style/beliefs and realise that he has transformed the program just as quickly and dramatically as Pitino did.

by Slim Wagers on Dec 22, 2008 10:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's A Stretch (Pitino)

But P was 150-43 (78) his first 6 years at UK. Sutton was 77-21 (79) his first 3 years at UK. Tubby was 219-58 (79%) his first 8 years at UK.

I don’t think the P transformation really occurred until the mid 1990’s.

P is revered because of his last 2 years (69-7, 91) at UK. Sutton is reviled because of his last year (13-19 and NCAA probation) at UK. Tubby is closer to Sutton for his last 2 years (44-25, 64) at UK.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually..

Pitino is revered because he raised UK from shame to multiple Final Fours, and 2 NCAA champion ships (98 is his, they were all his players).

Sutton is reviled because he led UK to shame, UK should hang a jersey with his name upside down …

by MyBloodRunsBlue on Dec 22, 2008 5:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Why even bring that up. Even Pitino was quoted in the CJ last week as saying he definitely could not have won that title. They were what was left over of his players after all of the “NBA talent” had already left in 96 and 97. Lets not kid ourselves and think that the 98 team was stocked like the 96 squad.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 22, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Only Remember 1 Title For Pitino

But he could / should have won another (or two) in 1993, 1995, or 1997 with better coaching.

Despite enormous talent on his rosters, he won just 3 titles at UK – NCAA in 1996 and SEC in 1995 and 96.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to double post... but that just sticks in my craw

If we were handing out NCAA trophies just for having players on your roster… UNC would be cutting down nets in October every year! Kansas would have a title from ‘97, Pitino would have taken home a trophy in 93, and Tubby would have at least one title in the 2000’s at UK.

Having players on your roster is an important piece of the puzzle, but coaching and luck are more important.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 22, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Slim Wagers -- I was at the TSU game Monday ...

… and about midway through the second half I turned to my wife and said, “This team is so much better than the last three teams that it isn’t even funny.”

This years team would beat any of the last three UK teams very handily. There is so much more athleticism, length, and just pure talent. It’s really starting to show itself in how they play.

I agree very much with your point. Looking at next year is very exciting, but I’m beginning to believe that this team could do some special things, especially with the SEC being so weak. I give all the credit to Gillispie. Regardless of him sometimes driving me crazy, he’s doing what it takes to build a contender. I can’t ask for much more than that.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 23, 2008 1:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Gillispie too

I didn’t know much about him at all prior to him being mentioned as a head coach candidate a year.5 ago, but on balance I’ve liked what I’ve seen.

That said, no matter how good you are at something there is always something that can be improved and coaching is no different. Playing primarily man-to-man defense is perfectly okay, but having some kind of zone that you can bust out for a possession or two at a critical moment in a game is a terrific weapon. Just as an example, Oliver Purnell (head coach at Clemson) is as fanatical about man-to-man as Gillispie is, but a few years ago he put in a 1-3-1 zone look that he’ll use for one or two possessions in close games. More often than not it works – either by forcing the opponent into a bad shot or forcing a time out to talk about it (at which point the defense usually goes back to man-to-man).

From a philosophical perspective, I think a little variation is a good thing. As Emerson said, “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Dec 22, 2008 10:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gillispie's Man-to-man can have Zone-like qualities

Even when Gillispie is playing man coverage, you can see some zone-like behavior when for instance, a known non-shooter is at the 3 point line, the man defending him will be covering something else – a passing lane or cheating towards a player. Also there are ways to vary how much help-out defense is done. Both overplaying and underplaying the passing lanes have some zone-like qualities.
Still, players tend to follow their assigned man around, which is not zone-like, but you can still get some of the zone advantages while changing the way you play man defense.

by EEWildcat on Dec 22, 2008 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For me, it's not so much the type of defense as it is changing the look

What you say might be true (I haven’t paid that close attention so I couldn’t say one way or the other), but I think it’s important to be able to throw a different look at an opponent now and again, even if it’s just for one possession. It’s not so much zone vs man, as it is doing something that is markedly different from the usual defense. As a game goes on, the better teams are going to gain an understanding of what they can and can’t do against a defense and have some idea of how to attack it. Now, they might not always be successful doing such things, but at a critical moment between two evenly matched teams (or two unevenly matched teams that are nonetheless in a tight game) a one-time change in defense can cause just enough confusion and uncertainty to tip the scales.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Dec 22, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Remember in the Miami game, when “The Slapper” was burning us up from everywhere on the field? Well, coach had Meeks face-guarding him, while everyone else played normal man-to-man. It shut him down for at least 10 minutes. So I agree, definitely having a different look helps.

by EEWildcat on Dec 22, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gillispie's team is well-schooled in giving 'help.' But of course if a team doesn't help well out of the man-to-man ...

… they probably aren’t going to win much.

I do agree very much with your final sentence.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 23, 2008 1:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Purnell

LOL

Im sorry but everytime you mention him I cant help but think if Al Purnell.

Weve been through this before but it gets me everytime.

IT"S GOOOOD!!!

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Dec 22, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You

are not alone! :)

by Acdixon on Dec 22, 2008 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Billy Gillispie, Matt Painter, Sean Miller, Mick Cronin

All are in the 5, 6, 7 years (as HC) category.

Gillispie is 126-74 (63%) with 1 conference title, 0 conference tourney champs, and 3-4 in NCAA games (1 Sweet 16).

Painter is 90-47 (66%) with 1 conference title, 0 conference tourney champs, and 2-3 in NCAA games.

Miller is 102-40 (72%) with 2 conference titles, 1 conference tourney champs, and 4-3 in NCAA games (1 Elite 8).

Cronin is 102-64 (61%) with 2 conference titles, 0 conference tourney champs, and 0-2 in NCAA games.

Pretty close (career results) among those 4 coaches.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 11:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Very interesting...

….one REALLY has to admire Matt Painter given what he inherited which I think was much weaker than what Gillispie faced.

The one area that Gillispie could improve in is ‘public relations’. To me the UK fans are the most knowledgeable & hopeful (sometimes to a fault) out there. Simply said, I think the fan base deserves less BS. I think Billy suffers from the Marge Schott Syndrome…that is, when one in the public eye doesn’t have someone at home that sets you straight.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Dec 22, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm echoing HozeKing ...

… I thought it might take Painter 3 or 4 years to get Purdue back to playing the way we’re use to Purdue playing. But, man, he made it happen like, ’right now."

One thing I might add; most coaches are full of crap when it comes to talking to the media. I know if I were a coach I would say as little about my team as possible, and I might tell ’em I howl at the moon on Tuesdays and Fridays.

The absolute KINGS of coach-speak are Rick Pitino and Lou Holtz — I think it’s something to be admired. It doesn’t bother me in the least if a coach doesn’t want the entire world knowing what’s going on with his team, or his game-plans, or what he really thinks about an opponent, etc.

My opinion is probably in the minority, I know, but it’s how I feel.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 23, 2008 2:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this

If the coach were to throw some player under the bus for having a bad attitude or not practicing well, it is going to have consequences on the team’s morale. If the players all lived in a vacuum, where they never read press conferences or blogs or newspapers, I could see some more disclosure. But that’s not reality; players read the news.

Job #1 for The UK Basketball Coach is to win, and if throwing the press a bone is going to mess that up – sorry press, no bone for you. If Gillispie wins the NCAA championship every year, he can not say another word to the press his whole life and I will be as happy as a lark.

by EEWildcat on Dec 23, 2008 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Painter

He has exceeded my expectations as an alumnus. He has Purdue back where it was in 1980’s and 90’s = Big 10 contender and nationally ranked (most years).

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 23, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When Tubby left for Minnesota....

all kinds of names were bandied about. I was never on the Billy Donovan train mainly because I thought there was about a 1% chance he would come to UK (so why get my hopes up). The one man that I thought would be perfect for the UK job was John Calipari. I was very surprised when he flatly said he would not be interested in UK. His style of play, his recruiting prowess and UK’s tradition would have been fantastic for UK. He has shown that he can take a Memphis team and a UMass team to Final Fours so there is no doubt he could do equally well at UK. When they hired BCG I was a bit disappointed but would support him to the end.

I have yet to figure out a few things about him but that really doesn’t matter. After all, who cares if I get it. I just truly hope they he can get UK back into Top 10 status soon and quit losing games to chumps. I am not one of those people that blindly say he will get it done but I do think he is on the right path. Only time will tell.

by SevenRings on Dec 22, 2008 1:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Calipari

I think he doesn’t always play by the rules. I don’t think he fits well at UK because of that.

That aside, he would have been an excellent choice as UK (or any other premier school) basketball HC.

Memphis is a very good fit for him.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have heard that before.

However, I don’t think Calipari has ever been in violation of the rules. The Camby issue was not his doing.

I found this somewhere on the web:
"And, in a letter obtained by the Daily News, dated June 8, 2004, Tom Yeager, the chairman of the committee on infractions, told Calipari: "The committee fully recognizes you had nothing to with the violations of Marcus Camby during the 1995-96 season. In a sense, you were an innocent victim."

by SevenRings on Dec 22, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Calipari

Whether it’s merited or not I dont like his rep. Due to our history I don’t think he would be a good fit here.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Dec 22, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's a good fit at Memphis as well.

A well-connected source over at TBK who knows Calipari well (or knows someone who knows Calipari well…not sure) claimed that Calipari would have crawled through glass to get the UK job, but he knew he didn’t have a chance, hence his comments during the coaching search. Not sure if that’s true, but take it for what it’s worth.

In any case, his past transgresses made it virtually impossible for him to get the offer. Still, he’s obviously doing well enough at Memphis.

by BBallSophist on Dec 22, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Donovan

I have never been enamored with Donovan.

I think he’s a good recruiter, but he wasn’t much of a coach until Larry Shyatt arrived: He didn’t teach defense, and his team tended to freelance a lot on offense, in my opinion anyway.

I would have loved Calipari, but I didn’t think Barnhart would seriously consider him.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 23, 2008 2:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You Might Want To Look At The Impact Of Jim O'Brien At UK

He arrived in 1995. UK had been 122-38 the first 5 years under Pitino.

UK was 97-12 with Jim O’Brien as #1 assistant in 1995-96-97.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 23, 2008 7:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Have to think the explanation is in the question..

I think (or i suppose, i hope) the closing to Ken’s introduction is the explanation we’re looking for.

“In other words, we (the fans) like things done a certain way, and when a coach deviates from our game-plan, we’re taken out of our comfort zone, at least I am.”

We UK fans are used to winning. Early and often. Do we want to beat every team every time and go deep in to the post season? Yes. And Yes. But it seems BCG doesn’t necessarily believe these are two achievable goals. In fact it seems he feels they are in conflict with one another. He is willing to (some may say, hopes to) sacrifice the easy win early in the season to build a stronger, more compliant team later in the season.

That’s the “comfort zone” of which Ken speaks, that may explain the dissonance in many of BCG early season decisions.

by markanderin on Dec 22, 2008 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: markanderin -- Interesting take, indeed.

I must say that I do not like to see UK lose early season games to teams that are CLEARLY inferior.

I suppose that does take me out of my “comfort zone,” but that’s just one of the aspect of Gillispie’s style that I am not accustomed to seeing in the UK BB coach.

But, just because I am not accustomed to his unique brand of coaching doesn’t mean that I think he’s wrong. So far, he’s proven to me that he’s the man for the job.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 23, 2008 2:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Enigmatic But Not Ambiguous

Prior to retiring to my present location I resided in Big 12 country for 36 years and became very familiar with that type of BB, most of it witnessed in Allen Fieldhouse. In February 2007 I saw Texas A&M outscore KU by 8 in second half and secure Aggies first ever win in Lawrence. It was at that time that I came to believe that when the head coaching position came open at my alma mater (and I was one of those who hoped it would be sooner rather than later – immediately if possible) it should be handed to Billy Gillispie. I had seen a number of Aggie games on TV and had read much about Gillispie’s history (I actually had done radio play-by-play of a game he coached while at South Plains (TX) CC) and was impressed by his obsession with BB, but that win in The Phog and his team’s mental toughness and incredible effort confirmed that he was the only coach of whom I was aware whose commitment matched that of us UK fans.

As to Ken’s comments I would say that Gillispie’s methods and means can indeed be enigmatic but you must admit will never be ambiguous. Man-to-man, no zone. Accept it. Practice determines playing time. Accept it. Short term loss in exchange for long term success. Accept it. With a choice of discipline or talent, pick discipline (it can be taught). Accept it. Trust instinct and judgment in judging young players. Accept it.

Ah, but enigmatic does have its liabilities. As Virginia Wolff said:

"The interest in life does not lie in what people do, nor even in their relations to each other, but largely in the power to communicate with a third party, antagonistic, enigmatic, yet perhaps persuadable, which one may call life in general."

Billy Clyde’s difficulties — perhaps I should say, UK fans’ difficulties — lie in that most problematic of human endeavors: communication. And as always the case with communication it is a two-way process: transmitting and receiving, if you will. No matter what Gillispie stated and thought, he did not understand coaching at UK or comprehend the intimate relationship between the program and its fans thus he had, and still has, an unperfected transmitting style. We fans on the other hand have preconceived notions of the program and have difficulty with contradictory vicissitudes. The question, it seems to me, is which party has the larger onus for adjustment. This fan chooses the responsibility.

by Wild Weasel on Dec 22, 2008 3:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Wild Weasel

Well, I don’t have to “accept” anything that he does. I may not be able to do anything about it, but I don’t have to accept it.

Blindly agreeing with, and supporting a coach, or any leader, is not how most people operate. When Pitino was at UK I loved what he did for the University, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t think he was wrong in the Duke game (not covering the passer), or wrong in the ’Zona game (pressing the entire game even though Simon was putting on a layup clinic), or wrong for playing Rhodes so much.

So no, I won’t just accept anything a coach does.

As far as G’s “communication” with the fans: I don’t really care if he ever communicates with the fans, as long as he wins and doesn’t cheat.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 24, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know...

If Carlos Rogers is playing tonight?
I like BCG cos he doesn’t air out his dirty laundry. His teams play tough, they practice tough and you have to respect that. He doesn’t rag on his players to pass the buck at press conferences the way the traitor Ricky P did, and still does. Basically, I don’t think he gives a flying crap what people think of him. He handles it behind closed doors like a man. As a journalist, I really respect that. i detest people who put on a face in front of the camera and play up to the media. The toughness he is maligned for is what got us to the NCAA tourney last year with all the bad media he got at the first of the year and all the injuries. I don’t care what he says to the media. Talk is cheap. Prove it on the court and don’t get arrested and I could care less if you ever say two words to the public outside of thanks for supporting the team. This ain’t a fraternity. If you like basketball and are a real fan, like it because of what happens on the hardwood, not based on Billy G’s social aptitude, or lack thereof.

by daniel81 on Dec 22, 2008 4:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gillispie Has A Lot To Prove

He’s a very good coach but neither his overall record (63% W-L record) nor postseason play (Below .500 in postseason conference tourneys, NCAA or NIT games) for his short career are elite caliber, much less Uk caliber.

He has won 1 conference title (2004 at UTEP) in 6 years, nothing else. That won’t fly at UK.

I think he is capable of more but he simply not has not yet proven it.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"I don't think he gives a flying crap what people think of him."

Within the confines of his basketball life, I agree with that statement 100%. He has to believe in what he’s doing in his soul, or he couldn’t sell it to his players.

Best Line — "Prove it on the court and don’t get arrested … ’ Ditto, by brother.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 23, 2008 2:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I await

40 year’s stats on statements given by Tubby during his first two years on the bench. Just kidding 40.

by daniel81 on Dec 22, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

First 2 Years On The Bench?

I don’t understand your ? so i can’t answer it, sorry.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 6:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forty, are you a robot?

You post entirely without levity, haha.

I’m picturing you sitting at your computer with a perma-frown, one cocked eyebrow, and a calculator in hand…

“What is this kidding of which you speak, human? This does not compute. Please rephrase question.”

by BBallSophist on Dec 22, 2008 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey.

He’s been known to post a funny or two, trust me.

You just gotta hang around for a couple of months for the next one. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 22, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Did Not Understand The ? Enough

To answer either way, straight up or with a twist.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I didn't get the joke either.

Still, your dry response made me laugh.

by BBallSophist on Dec 22, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My Calculator

Is 3 inches from my computer mouse BTW.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The joke

Wasn’t well explained. I was talking about Billy G’s relationship with the media and statements he gives, and I was just funning that 40 may come up with a stat to attest to how many press conferences and worthy statements Tubby gave in his first two years compared to Billy G. Bad joke. Happy Holidays!

by daniel81 on Dec 23, 2008 10:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha

Tubby was never too great at press conferences, seems to do much better 1-on-1 or face-2-face interviews.

I think that is one area where Gillispie is better than him.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 23, 2008 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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