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’66 Kittens -- The Coaches: Joe B. Hall

From the Editor:  This is the fifth in a series of  short essays from A Sea of Blue member oldcat'69, who played as a walk-on on Kentucky's freshman team in 1965-66 during the Adolph Rupp era.
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Once you’ve played ball at Kentucky, it’s either your primary or secondary home.”

-- Joe B. Hall

. . . the best recruiter ever at Kentucky, without a doubt.” (paraphrased)

-- FortyYearCatFan

Hall simply beat other teams up with physical play and the officials let him get away with it. Hall’s philosophy was to have all five players foul at once since the officials could only call one foul at a time (paraphrased)

-- Sonny Smith, Former Auburn Coach

In my opinion, the quotes above are all right on the money, although I fail to see how a man who coached Charles Barkley in college can comment on anyone else’s physical play. Looking at it a different way, if you have a team of Clydesdales, are you going to run them in the Derby or hook them up to a plow?

In truth, the freshman team of ’65-66 saw less of Coach Hall than we did Coach Lancaster. Hall was frequently out recruiting or scouting, but when he was in town, he was involved with our practices. On at least two road trips, to Paducah Junior College and Dayton, he was the only coach who traveled with us. The varsity had games at other places those particular nights.

Coach Hall was on the almost the exact same book as Coach Hall and Coach Rupp. His coaching patterns were very similar, as far as I could see. The substitution pattern, however, was a bit different. Even later, when he was the head coach, Joe Hall would not say a word to a player coming out of the game. He was of the “one mistake and you’re out” school, and he would let the offending player go sit on the bench without a word of correction.

While it probably wasn’t true of us walk-ons, any scholarship varsity player at Kentucky probably has enough potential to be taught something when he’s made a mistake, especially if the coach strikes while the iron is hot. Of course, I’m talking about real instruction, not yelling and screaming, although that has its place, too. Mark that paragraph down as “opinion”, counselor.

Nevertheless, Coach Hall had a sincerity that made you believe he actually might care something about you, even if you were a walk-on. I think that is what made him such a good recruiter. I certainly never saw him on a recruiting visit, but he had the touch to get great players, both for Coach Rupp and for himself. Now, Coach Rupp might have thought that anyone could recruit a player to play for the Wildcats, but it wasn’t so. As a recruiter, no one was better than Joe B. Hall.

On our trip to Dayton, Coach Hall put me into the game several minutes into the first half. On about the second trip down the floor, I was open from just outside the left elbow and took about a 17 foot shot. It was one of those that rattled around forever, then came out. Now, Coach Lancaster had never told me anything when he put me in other than, “If you get a shot, take it.”

Coach Hall must have missed that conversation, however, because at the next time out, he kinda got into my face and said, “’Oldcat’, didn’t Coach Lancaster tell you to make a few trips up and down the floor to get into the flow before you take a shot?” I didn’t answer at the time, but I always wanted to send him a letter in his retirement in Cynthiana and tell him my version of the story.

Coach Hall probably suffered in the eyes of the faithful because he had neither the witty sarcasm of Adolph Rupp nor the flamboyance of Rick Pitino. Certainly, he was no sparkling personality. His flat presentations in interviews with the media produced few one-liners for an industry eager for sound-bites.

But what kind of coach was Joe B. Hall? What does the record say? Thirteen years as head coach, one national championship, three Final Fours, one national Coach of the Year, four times SEC Coach of the Year, eight SEC titles, seven players named All-American a total of 11 times, nine players all-SEC totaling 18 selections, 23 players drafted into the NBA, five in the first round, and a winning percentage of .748.

Not bad for a guy who many Wildcat fans consider a lesser light in the constellation. Ask yourself this: How many other guys who have followed the basketball coaching legends have even approached this record?

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Sonny always had great quotes...

One that I remember was in a interview, Sonny Smith was ask the effect of having coach a player like Charles Barkley, Sonny replied “I had every fat kid out there wanting to come play at Auburn” (paraphrased)

lol

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 21, 2008 6:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Coach Hall

No one ever succeeded a legend and did as well as he did.

I think the 1976 NIT championship deserves mention, too. UK lost 4 senior starters off the 1975 NCAA runner-up team and then lost Robey to an injury during the 76 season.

The team was 10-10 but proceeded to run off 10 straight W to end the season as NIT champs. The most important W of those was the final game in Memorial Coliseum, when UK rallied to eke out W over Miss St.

Recruiting, he signed Top 10 (or better) rated classes in 1974, 75, 76, 78, 79, 80, 82, 83, and 84 as head coach. He helped Coach Rupp sign Top 10 classes in 1966, 68, and 71.

And he signed (or helped sign) the two highest rated classes in UK history – 1979 (the best HS class ever) and 1971.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 8:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Disclaimer

I’m particularly partially to the mid-70’s Cats because my sister dated one of them. It’s pretty neat (even in your 20’s) to play H-O-R-S-E with a UK Wildcat in your driveway.

Joe Hall was (perhaps) the next best college coach behind Bobby Knight in the mid to late 1970’s. The 1978 team remains the best UK team of my lifetime, yes – better than 1996. Most feel differently but I think 78 team is the better bunch.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 8:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I really liked Hall

He accomplished some great things at UK when following Rupp the Legend.

But I did not care for his flat personality with the media. I wanted to see more fire but that was just him and he did a marvelous job as a Coach and recruiter. One of my favorites.

by kykat51 on Dec 22, 2008 11:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It was a tough job

When he succeeded Rupp. Kudos to Hall!

by kykat51 on Dec 22, 2008 11:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's Still A Tough Job

Except for Notre Dame football, maybe the toughest job in college sports.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 23, 2008 10:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Yeah. Man, they sure have give Weiss a lot of leeway.

My prediction — Urban Meyer will be at Notre Dame after next year. Book it. :-) (Florida fans will now want to crucify me.)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 24, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

never happen...

…he’s like a God down there, plus ND qualification still too tough to get the top 5* players year after year…

You don’t have to be smart to play at Florida… j/k
Now, Florida fans will want to crucify me…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 24, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I beg to differ.

Meyer said just recently that ND is his “dream job.” Weiss is not likely to be successful next year, and if not, he will be replaced.

It will take a lot to lure Meyer away, but I think ND is ready to pay whatever it takes to restore their program. Meyer wants to be there, and even Gator fans have to acknowledge this fact. My feeling is, he will be.

Need all the reasons why? Read this.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 25, 2008 9:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did not know that...

…You may be correct… but, there is still QUALIFICATION issue @ ND that will have to change if he wants to be on the same level as FLA…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 25, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Ride The Train To Work Every Day With Big Time ND Booster

He likes Charlie Weis. He thnks he’ll get 2 more years to prove himself.

Weis is reportedly a good recruiter. But ND doesn’t count recruiting titles. ND fans want NATONAL titles.

Sound familiar?

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 26, 2008 2:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Vaguely. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 27, 2008 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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