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UK Basketball, Scotty Hopson, and the Hilltoppers

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DeAndre Liggins certainly knows how to redeem himself.  After Liggins' now infamous Friday night "no mas" to coach Gillispie, I thought Saturday night he played his best basketball in the second half of the West Virginia game.  His game stats aren't awe-inspiring -- Four points, three assists, two rebounds and four turnovers -- but the team operated as smoothly as they have all season.  Part of the credit goes to Patrick Patterson who seemed to be a bit more authoritative in gaining offensive position; he's beginning to present himself to the passer as he did last year.  But the bulk of the accolades should go to Liggins, in my eyes. 

As far as Liggins' 'failure to launch' Friday night versus Kansas State; I'll leave that one to Gillispie.  He has handled what few disciplinary issues he's had with aplomb, and I trust his judgment in the handling of Liggins.  But I have to say, I was shocked when I first heard that Liggins refused to enter the game.  In my mind there isn't too much worse that a teammate can do. 

I think that with his play Saturday, though, he demonstrated that he wants to be apart of this team, and his teammates demonstrated that they want him to be apart of the team.  If that's true, that's all that really matters.

I love Josh Harrellson's game.  He may not be as quick as every opponent he plays, but I'll bet Tru's pink slip that he has a higher basketball IQ than most of his opponents. 

He reminds me of a quicker, more offensively polished Jared Prickett, with a cupful of Erik Daniels thrown in for good measure.  He is blessed with having a nose for the ball; some call it 'court savvy,' whatever it's name, he has it in spades. 

Harrellson is also very fundamentally sound, especially when it comes to rebounding.  He knows how to seal his man off by putting his behind in the guys midsection.  He also rebounds with two hands, and unlike some others, he immediately looks up the floor.  He also leads the 'Cats in the most rebounds per minute played category (he averages 4.7 boards in 14.2 minutes played).

Saturday against West Virginia, Harrellson's line was very impressive: 4-6 field goals, 4-5 free throws, 12 points, and 10 rebounds (he led the team with four offensive boards).

I expect Mr. Harrellson will be seeing a lot of playing time this year.  Now we know why Western Illinois hesitated to release him from his scholarship.

On the year, UK is shooting 50.3%, while holding their opponents to only 37.3%.  UK is also outrebounding their opponents by 8.8 rebounds per game.  Kentucky also holds a big edge in the assist department -- 93-56.  On the negative side, UK has committed 138 turnovers to their opponents 99, and UK's opponents have 12 more offensive rebounds than do the 'Cats.  That's 51 more possessions UK's opponents have had, in only six games. 

Jodie Meeks is shooting 44.2% on 104 shots taken.  Patrick Patterson is shooting 70.9% on 55 shots taken.  Although Jodie is making 37.8% of his three-point shots, I would still like to see, in any given game, Patterson get at least as many shots as Meeks.

UK's three primary ball-handlers, Meeks, Liggins, and Michael Porter have combined to turn the ball over 70 times, while dishing out only 44 assists.  Not a winning combination.  This team isn't good enough to overcome an avalanche of turnovers, and we really haven't seen any improvement (23 versus WVU) ... that worries me. 

UK has blocked 41 shots to their opponents 13 blocks.  Harrellson and Perry Stevenson, along with Patrick Patterson, lead UK with seven, 14, and 12 blocks respectively.  Harrellson blocked his shots while averaging only 14.2 minutes per game, while Stevenson averages 26.2 minutes per game.

UK held West Virginia to only 26.3% field goal shooting in the second half, while UK shot an even 50.0%.  UK also out-rebounded WVU by 10 boards.  Fresher legs?

After watching Tennessee's Scotty Hopson play Sunday against Gonzaga, I almost wish Billy Gillispie would have went after Hopson a bit more passionately.  The kid can play, and he most certainly can shoot the ball (although his shot makes Richard Madison's look flat).  On the year he's averaging 9.8 points per game (in only 20.5 minutes per game), while making 50.0% of his three-point attempts.

He had a stellar line against Gonzaga: 6-12 field goals, 3-6 three-point tries, 16 points, 3 assists and only one turnover.  Too bad the Vols couldn't weather the 'Zags ... well, not really.  Tennessee did crush Gonzaga on the boards with a +23 (they had 19 more offensive rebounds than  the 'Zags), but UT couldn't defend (what's new?), and Gonzaga torched 'em from all over the floor, shooting 51.9%overall, while making 55% (11-20) of their three-pointers.

Finally, a BIG TIME congratulations to Ken McDonald and his Western Kentucky Hilltoppers for disposing of the Louisville Cardinals in a most clear and decisive manner.  Hilltopper guard A.J. Slaughter and Steffphon Pettigrew did the Commonwealth proud -- Slaughter had 25 points, while Pettigrew posted 17 points and 12 rebounds, and he helped shut down UofL's McDonald's All-America c/f Samardo Samuels (Samuels has at least 4-5 inches on Pettigrew).

Slaughter also had a little 'Ramel Bradley moment:'  After the game, Slaughter mentioned that he thought some of the UofL players were disrespecting the Toppers by being lackadaisical in warm-ups.  He said he also noted several 'we're better than you' smirks (that was his interpretation, anyway).

It reminded me of last year: UK versus UT in Rupp.  Bradley was not happy with some of the Vols wearing their earrings during warm-ups.  He took that as a sign of disrespect ... and proceeded to lead UK to a huge upset of the Vols, 72-66. 

I guess It doesn't matter whether you're from Brooklyn (Bradley), or Shelbyville (Slaughter) ... don't disrespect the underdog. 

Congrats Tops!!

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!

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Hopson

It doesnt really matter if Hopson is at UT or not becuase I dont think he would be playing much if he was here at UK. According to Bruce Pearl the kid isnt much of a defender and Bruce Pearl isnt exaclty known for his defensive acumen.
That means this kid couldnt defend a paper sack IMO.

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by davw83 on Dec 2, 2008 10:32 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nobody who's played at UT under Pearl plays much D, but I like talent, and Hopson has bundles of that.

One will never know what Hopson would have been capable of if he had played at UK. Players can be pushed to improve, both offensively and defensively.

He’s simply too athletic to think he wouldn’t be a good defender.

And I’m NOT intimating that I prefer Hopson over Miller. It’s just that Hopson is a real talent, and I hate to see players of that caliber wearing orange, especially those from Kentucky.

I’m also not criticizing Gillispie for not going after him harder. Hard decisions need to be made when recruiting, I understand that.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 2, 2008 4:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question

I agree that he is certainly athletic enough to be a good defender but I question the kids willingness.
I dont think he would have been a good fit at UK.

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by davw83 on Dec 2, 2008 9:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have no knowledge of how coachable Hopson is, but ...

… he would have to be an awfully bad headcase to keep me from having him on my team, if I were a coach. I expect we’ll find out over the coming years. Pearl doesn’t impress me as one who will put up with nonsense, or lack of effort. He’s kicked-off more than a few players in his time at UT, for different reasons.

Besides, when I hear ‘stuff’ about high school kids, whether it be good or bad, I generally take what I’m being told with a grain of salt.

Let me add, I’m very happy with the makeup of this years UK team. I’m not saying I would trade Hopson for say, Darius Miller. I just liked his game, and I think he’s ultra-talented.

  

by Ken Howlett on Dec 2, 2008 11:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And let me add,

that I got more than my fill of malcontents during the Carruth/Parker era. So I agree that we, Billy, and the team doesn’t need a player that isn’t team oriented. Perhaps that’s why we have Miller, and UT has Hopson :)

by Ken Howlett on Dec 3, 2008 1:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopson

I think it says something when the coaches in his region didn’t even name him region player of the year when he’s a McDonald’s All-American.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 3, 2008 7:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you're right......

I’ve watched most of the UT games, or at least most of each game. Hopson fits in well at UT, for the reasons you mentioned. Pearl has Josh Tabb as his designated defender, and Hopson is there for scoring. His length helps in full court pressure, but I have seen no reason to believe that he can defend in the half court like Miller. Hopson would not be on the floor long for BCG. Not trying to knock him because we didn’t get him, just my assessment of different coaching philosophies, and how he fits into his current situation, compared to if he was at Kentucky.

by racercat98 on Dec 2, 2008 11:05 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Prickett

Dead on comparison for Harrellson. I remember my dad calling Prickett “The Garbage Man.” He did all the dirty work.

by Acdixon on Dec 2, 2008 11:29 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harrellson

I remember Prickett as being quicker, more active and not as big as Josh. He reminds me of Mike Phillips.

by Slim Wagers on Dec 2, 2008 11:36 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phillips is a fair comparison at this point......

Steady. Not as mobile as Rick R. But consistent. Josh may have more range on his shot, although we will never know, because if Mike had ever taken a 20 footer, Joe B. would have thrown his program and Joe Dean Jr. into the 5th row.

by racercat98 on Dec 2, 2008 12:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rebound in a crowd

Josh reminds me of Mike in how he goes hard after rebounds. He takes up space and goes aggressively to the ball with both hands and when he gets his hands on it I don’t expect anybody to take it away. He establishes position and can rebound in traffic.

by Slim Wagers on Dec 2, 2008 1:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phillips???

You may not remember him too well but he > Harrellson.

Both are about 6-10 and 260 but it stops there. Phillips was just a better player than Harrellson.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 1:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Link

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Players/Phillips_Mike.html He was better than many remember (because of Robey and Givens) but his career numbers tell the tale.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 2:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

that I remember him very well. Was he not steady? Was he not consistent? Was he not the guy that Joe B. left in a game when he pulled all of the other starters for their lackluster performance? And you don’t have to tell me that Robey, Givens, Macy, and Lee got more pub.

It is as Slim says, we’re comparing style of play, not careers. We’re not even projecting how good Josh will be.

by racercat98 on Dec 2, 2008 4:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Knew Him Personally

My sister dated one of his teammates.

The similarities I see are his height and weight.

Phillips > Harrellson.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 7:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, He Did

F Givens, Robey. C Phillips. G Macy and Claytor. (1978) Sixth man was Lee.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 8:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He Started 3 Years

And alternated with Robey as a frosh.

Despite being on NCAA Probation in 1977 and 78, UK was 56-6 those 2 years. Phillips got to watch a lot of Not Very Close games.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 8:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Comparison

Seems a little early to be comparing carrers after this many games. I thought we were talking about style to play but since you think Stephenson is better than Josh I will consider the source and understand the confusion.

by Slim Wagers on Dec 2, 2008 2:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phillips > Harrellson

And Stevenson is much better able to compete against SEC competition (having done so for 2 years).

Harrellson is a decent back-up but Stevenson is better and Phillips was MUCH better.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 3:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That may be true

 But for some reason in Vegas, Perry did a lot of standing and watching the ball and not going to get it… This is something that has stumped the coach as well…

What’s your opinion as to why Perry has regressed in the last couple of games..?
Could it be the fact that both those teams in Vegas play very physical defense..?

Like someone posted on another thread, “let’s hope that whatever it is, it stays in Vegas”

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 2, 2008 3:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So Far This Season

Perry S is struggling. But he’s a better fit vs. SEC players than Harrellson will be.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 7:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

based on?

harrellson has played all of 6 games so far at UK…as for the argument that stevenson has 2 years experience, that doesn’t always matter (porter vs. liggins, for example)

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by UKWildCatFanatic on Dec 2, 2008 8:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harrellson vs the SEC

He certainly held his own against a good Big East team…

Are you going to now try to tell me that the SEC as a whole is better than the Big East as a whole? No stat will make me believe that.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 3, 2008 7:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Better, No

Much quicker and more athletic than WVU players.

WVU is among the lower half of teams in B-East this year.

Good team, not great.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 7:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forty ...

… I have to say that you cannot possibly believe that. And if you do, you are mistaken.

WVU has some of the quickest and most athletic players in any league in America. No SEC team this year save for perhaps Tennessee will be either quicker or more athletic.

If Harrellson can play against WVU, he can play against any SEC team.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 3, 2008 7:26 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another congrats to the Toppers, they beat GA by four last night. I'm happy ...

… for McDonald, but I hate to see Felton start the season with a loss to WKU.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 3, 2008 7:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

quick and athletic?

WVU looked far from one of the most athletic teams in the nation saturday. I know we didnt play extremely well and it was a defensive game and all, but if the Mountaineers were all that athletic they would have done much more out there. Are they not middle of the Big East pack?

by BigBlue87 on Dec 3, 2008 8:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Middle of the Big East pack

Considering that 7 teams from the Big East are ranked in the AP Top 25 this week… I’d say that being “middle of the pack” still leaves a lot of room to be awfully good.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 3, 2008 9:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WVU

8-9-10 range among B-East teams.

Good but not great (this year).

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 2:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

West Virginia?

Not even close. They W but are not particularly fast or athletic. That’s what their coach has said. Huggs knows better than we do.

The ACC and SEC have much quickler and athletic players.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 2:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huggins ...

… has not said that anywhere that I have heard or seen about his team.

Besides, I was there in person, and I think I am perfectly capable of making such a judgment, having watched and played basketball as long as Huggins has. I saw WVU play two full games, and they are as fast and athletic as any team in the SEC. No question. And if Huggins did say that, he was either dead wrong or is even more stupid than most people think he is, and I really doubt that.

In fact, I would say that WVU’s team is significantly faster and just as athletic as Kentucky, on balance. WVU’s starting back court is not particularly fast or athletic, but their front court and bench certainly are. As a team, there are probably only one or two in the SEC even as fast or athletic as the Mountaineers this year.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 3, 2008 2:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed He Has

And he’s not wrong. The WVU team will eventually have better athletes who are quicker (his recruits) but currently it has John Beilen recruits (most, not all).

Regardless, Harrellson at 6-9 or 6-10 and 250 or 260 does not have the speed or athleticism to compete in the SEC. Part-time, yes. All the time, no.

He’s a good back-up in the post.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 4:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who wouild you compare him to..?

of past Kentucky players

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 3, 2008 4:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chuck Aleksinas

Decent reserve as a frosh. Couldn’t make it as a soph starter (transferred).

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 4:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, let's hope you're wrong...

…and I believe you are…

I see Josh as a solid player, a lot like Prickett or Feldhause, both of whom were good players and starters for UK as time went on…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 3, 2008 4:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aleksinas

Was drafted by and played in the NBA.

Hardly a failure. Not equipped or ready to play at UK level.

I don’t see ANY comparison to Prickett. He’s taller than Feldhaus and plays different position.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 4:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright.

Send me the URL then. Don’t just assure me, let’s have it, or leave it alone.

You are offering nothing in the way of a defense but an argument. At least I can defend it by having been there in person.

Harrellson has shown he is more than capable of playing in the SEC. He will get more and more minutes as time goes on and he gets better, and by his senior year, he will very likely be a starter. Harrellson shows a good understanding of position defense, has sufficient size and will develop sufficient skill to compensate for his lack of quickness, and can easily start in the SEC. Not this year, perhaps, but eventually.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Dec 3, 2008 4:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he will start at some point this year...

just my opinion, but Billy will only give Perry so long to start playing like we know he can…

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by vinceuk1 on Dec 3, 2008 4:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He Can Play Some

But is not equipped to guard or score on SEC caliber post players.

He’ll be a good reserve.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 4:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forty

I think you are really overestimating the skill and athleticism of SEC post players considering the current state of the SEC. Just my opinion.

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by davw83 on Dec 3, 2008 6:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Shaquille O’Neal left LSU over 15 years ago.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 4, 2008 2:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAHA!

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by UKWildCatFanatic on Dec 4, 2008 3:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tyrus Thomas (LSU)

The Horton kid at Florida.

To name just 2 recent examples.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 4, 2008 5:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gone Gone Gone

The CURRENT state of the SEC

Thomas and HORFORD are only two players of the 12 SEC teams and they are gone gone gone.

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by davw83 on Dec 4, 2008 8:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that what they're getting at...

Is that the dominance of the SEC big man is a thing of the past.

Other than Patrick Patterson and Jarvis Varnardo, I am hard pressed to name a PF/C on any SEC team.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 5, 2008 7:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harrelson vs. Stevenson... Who’s better?

That is a debatable question and depends on your criteria..

If your criteria is;
Shoot blocking, athleticism, rebounding, defense and running the floor, Then Perry is better…

If your criteria is;
Scoring, shooting, catching the ball, decision making and hustle, then I would argue that Josh is better…

It is debatable, but I’m sooooooo glad we have both options..!

At the end of the day, and this is strictly just my opinion, I think Harrelson will be the more "valuable" player in Billy’s system…

What say you..?

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 2, 2008 3:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope

Harrellson will be 10-15 minute PT back-up in the post all 3 years.

Orton takes his minutes next year and the year after.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 7:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that's way off base. Harrellson has only being playing BB for a few years ...

… his upside is incredible. He’s much too valuable a player to only play 10-15 minutes per game.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 2, 2008 7:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His Upside May Or May Not Be

But the backsides of Patrick Patterson and Daniel Orton will have him sitting on his for all but 10 or 15 minutes a game.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nor Do They

Patterson is F and Orton will be C.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 8:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's news to Orton...

He’s being recruited as a power forward. This is an absolute fact, and it doesn’t matter what the recruiting services have him listed as. He wants to be a power forward and has been recruited to play the power forward position.

by BBallSophist on Dec 2, 2008 11:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then He And Patterson Will Compete For PF

Whatever you call them, both will play in the post.

Orton is 6-10 and 265. Sounds like C to me.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 7:02 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NBA

In the NBA they call that a power forward these days.

I dont think it really matters though. In G’s offense those designations mean nothing. He will split time in the high and low post just like all our bigs.

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by davw83 on Dec 3, 2008 9:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, Gillispie has a distaste for designating positions...

Stevenson, Harrellson, Patterson (if he returns), Orton, and Pilgrim will all have to compete with each other for playing time. A great problem for a coach to have.

If Patterson returns, I have a hard time seeing where Harrellson or Stevenson’s playing time will come. Patterson, Orton, and Pilgrim are all future NBA draft picks.

by BBallSophist on Dec 3, 2008 11:35 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pilgrim NBA draft pick?

The man averaged 10 points and 5 rebounds a game at Hampton.

Now I’m just as fervent a Cat fan as the next guy around here, but I’m not about to drink the same summer ball kool aid that told me JP Blevins was ready to be a star when it comes to Matt Pilgrim.

I think he’ll provide much needed depth in the front court, but I hardly think he has done anything in his playing career to this point to justify being even mentioned in the same breath as Patrick Patterson when it comes to NBA status.

Hopefully, he’ll come on board here and set the world on fire, but he has nothing on his resume yet.

IMO

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 3, 2008 1:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pilgrim

We’ll C next year.

I’m skeptical.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 2:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up a lottery pick...

…and I don’t think that because of summer pick-up games.

I don’t blame people for being skeptical, though.

by BBallSophist on Dec 3, 2008 4:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Will Be Surprised

I first met him as skinny 15 year old at UC game. His brother (Mike, now at Campbellsville) went there but never played.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 4:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL!

That was funny.

ObStevenson: It will be interesting watching Harrellson vs. Stevenson in SEC competition. I think it is all mental with Stevenson, he was great last year after Patterson went down. We need more of that.

I like Harrellson’s game too. I like that we have the versatility to have the CHOICE to play either, whoever the situation suits.

Can’t wait to see who improves the most! Basketball season is on, I’m excited!!

by EEWildcat on Dec 2, 2008 9:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's quite incredible that you have the unbelievable ability to gauge a man's worth after a couple ...

… of games, played in November.

No one, not you, not me, probably not even Billy, knows how good Harrellson can be.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 2, 2008 7:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's A Good Player

Not Mike Phillips II or anything like that.

He wasn’t even the best player on his JuCo team. Rarely does UK recruit a player who isn’t (or wasn’t) the best player on his team.

The best player was a guy named Devron Bostick, who was national JuCo POY and is now playing in the Big 10.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 7:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Full disclosure

First, let me confess, I didn’t see either play JuCo ball, and Mike Phillips played at UK before I was born. But then let me point out that this Bostick kid doesn’t just play in the Big 10; he plays for Tubby at Minnesota. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=41564

I’m not saying he wasn’t better, because I have nothing to base that upon. However, we all know Forty’s storied reputation as a staunch Tubby supporter (not that there’s anything wrong with that). That would give him reason to hype Bostick over Harrallson. Looks like Bostick’s best game this year was an 11 point, 4 rebound effort against Eastern Washington. That doesn’t necessarily prove anything either, but we’re used to seeing stats when Forty makes a claim. There may well be some that support his assertion that Bostick > Harrallson, but I thought I’d point all this out in the interest of full disclosure.

I, for one, am happy with Harrallson overall thus far, and I do think it’s too early to say whether Perry or Josh will do better in SEC play.

by Acdixon on Dec 3, 2008 9:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bostick Struggling Too

It’s a big jump from JuCo to Div I. But he is > talented and athletic than Josh H.

His current B10 coach allots PT based on defense. Bostick still learning that.

Bostick clearly > Harrrellson in JuCo play. 2-time JC All-American and POY last year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 2:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phillips

http://www.ohiobkcoaches.com/Records/boys_points_in_a_career.htm 6th leading (career) scorer in Ohio HS basketball. LeBron James is 4th not too far ahead.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 5:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pettigrew did look good in that game...!

Now I’ll have to admit, that’s the only time I’ve ever seen the kid play… I remember that he wanted to come to UK really, really bad and Billy went to look at him a couple of times, but for whatever reason, Billy never offered the kid.

I think it was probably the best fit for him to go to a mid-major, being an under sized small forward… He will have a very good career at WKU and probably make it to the NCAA’s a couple of times..

just my opinion…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 2, 2008 1:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pettigrew

I saw him play more than a handful of times in high school. He always played hard and could score from just about anywhere. A lot of his game did involve work in and around the basket, which was seen as a knock on him due to his shorter stature. He worked hard though and developed an outside shot good enough to win the three point competition at the Derby Festival IIRC.

I heard one local sports afficianado aptly say that Ramon Harris had Pettigrew’s scholarship at UK.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 2, 2008 2:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, you seen them both...

Who is better ?

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by vinceuk1 on Dec 2, 2008 3:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harris And Pettigrew

Harris signed in November 2006. Pettigrew signed in April 2007 when UK had 3 open scholarships.

2 went to Patterson and Legin but the other 1 could have gone to Pettigrew. UK had an open slot when he signed, ergo the Harris LOI did not prevent Pettigrew from attending UK.

I don’t Gillispie was interested.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 3:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not saying that Harris got the scholie instead of Pettigrew

Just that there wasn’t room for both since they had a similar size and game. And yes, Gillispie wasn’t interested.

As to the which is better question… its hard to say. Prior to the UofL game, I would have said Pettigrew on offense and Harris on defense. But Pettigrew definitely did all that one could ask against Samuels.

In the end, I think Pettigrew is better off at Western where he has a chance to be a real star. I think he would never have been much more than a role player at UK.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 2, 2008 3:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the turnover situation....

I haven’t seen the numbers, but i wouldn’t call 23 turnovers versus WVa the same as 25 turnovers vs Longwood. If the numbers aren’t increasing but the opposing talent is, then I would call that improvement. Maybe not enough improvement… but improvement nonetheless.

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by bluebloodtoo on Dec 2, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh.

I like your thinking.

Still, we have to find some mechanism to limit these senseless turnovers. Most of them are caused by people trying too hard to create something right now that could wait for awhile — Jodie trying to take the ball through 3 players, DeAndre making the radical pass when a simple pass would do, lobs from 19 feed that need to be made at 15, Porter not being strong with the ball, players passing to poor ball handlers near the sideline, then dragging their defender over and helping create a double-team. Silly stuff.

This is all so fundamental. What UK lacks is court awareness — they just don’t have the big picture. Part of it is youth or plain inexperience, but some of it is just not valuing the basketball.

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 2, 2008 2:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the mechanism...

would be experience. If you consider that the start of this season didn’t see any more experienced starters than last year did, you might say that we are actually on pace for a much better season this year than last. Either way, we have a much more talented roster, when we finally get the experienced nailed down.
There are way less conversations about Billy and how hard he is on the guys, and less drama surrounding the team. I’m cozied up on the couch with my popcorn just waiting on the real wildcats to come out of their shells. It’s gonna be a great season I believe. I just wish AJ and KG would get their act together so that we could have those guys too. IT’s not like the stuff that Billy G is trying to teach them won’t make them better men and more successful in anything they end up doing. It’s just a choice that they need to make to grow up sooner rather than later. Ask Joe Crawford, I bet he’d agree.

GO BIG BLUE!! Long Live Coach G (so long as he wears KY blue)!!!

by bluebloodtoo on Dec 2, 2008 10:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Granted...

it’s hard to really get the pace of the game from an internet radio broadcast. We don’t see a whole lot of UK games on the networks in Washington state. But we did get to see Gonzaga beat up on the vols the other night…

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by bluebloodtoo on Dec 2, 2008 11:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Congrats to WKU

I was very happy that my Alma Mater put the beat down on the Ville. Western has a very good basketball tradition and to disrespect them is rediculous. Just go to a game at Diddle and you will realize that WKU is a basketball school. Great atmosphere and very tough place to play for opponents. WKU may have beat them by 20 if the game was at Diddle.

That's what she said.

by adaircam4 on Dec 2, 2008 3:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diddle

Is a fun place to watch a game. I believe that WKU plays Georgia there tonight. Those would be huge back to back wins if they can handle the Bulldogs.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 2, 2008 4:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Loyola IL Clobbered Georgia

I expect WKU to do the same or similar.

Georgia hasn’t been very good since the 1990’s.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 7:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Georgia hasn't been very good since Harrick left. His last season was '02-'03.`

Of course when one hires a slimy snake (Harrick), one get’s what one deserves.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 2, 2008 7:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but...

they did win the “tornado bowl” last year… lol

That’s one tourney I will forever remember… lol

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by vinceuk1 on Dec 2, 2008 7:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They Weren't Good Under Harrick Either

Their last 20 W season was 1998 under Ron Jirsa.

Hariick did next to nothing at Georgia.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 2, 2008 8:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not so.

Harrick coached UGA for four years, going 66-53. His final two seasons they were a combined 41-18, winning 22 games in ‘01-’02. His final two years they were a combined 21-11 in the SEC.

That’s pretty darn good for Georgia.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 2, 2008 8:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I remember correctly

Harrick and Georgia went to the NCAA Tourney with a record of 16-16 because they had the toughest schedule in the nation one year.

That's what she said.

by adaircam4 on Dec 2, 2008 10:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Georgia

In ‘00-’01 Georgia went 16-14, and got a bid. They lost to Missouri in the first round of the tourney.

Harrick would have went to the Big Dance 3 of his 4 years at UGA, but his misbehavior was discovered just prior to postseason play in ’03, so the AD and school President decided it best to not to allow the team to participate in any postseason tournaments(GA was 19-8 that year).

by Ken Howlett on Dec 2, 2008 11:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only 2 In A Row NCAA Bids For Georgia

1996 and 97, I think.

They won 45 games those 2 years.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 7:05 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If nothing else, you're entertaining Forty ...

… once again, Georgia, under Harrick, received bids in ’01 and ’02, and would have received a bid in ’03 if the University had not chosen to sit out all post-season tourneys.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 3, 2008 7:23 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Georgia

They have very limited success in basketball. Their best year was 1983 but their highest W total was 24 in 1997.

Like UK they had their best recent success in 1996-97-98 with 65 W those 3 years.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 3, 2008 7:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WKU v. Georgia

Close game now, WKU by 1 with just over 3 mins. left

by BigBlue87 on Dec 2, 2008 10:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

South Carolina

New coach – Darrin Horn formerly of WKU. Will South Carolina become a threat in the SEC?

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 3, 2008 8:34 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not this year

And probably not a serious threat anytime soon IMO.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Dec 3, 2008 9:08 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turnover Improvement

One place where I’ve noticed an improvement over the last couple seasons has been the lack of the “start your drive before putting the ball on the floor walking violation” turnover. It seemed like you could count on seeing at least 4 of those every game the last couple years, but I can’t recall seeing it happen this year.

So yeah, there’s that.

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by JLeverenz on Dec 3, 2008 10:01 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lamar Breakdown on straitpinkie.com

Nice preview of the Lamar Cardinals on straitpinkie.com. Find out about point guard Kenny Dawkins and even who Lamar is named after. I advise checking it.

www.straitpinkie.com

by catsfanyo on Dec 3, 2008 12:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UK/Lamar

We scored tickets again! Woo Hoo! Two in a row! GO CATS!

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 3, 2008 12:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm still waiting on a phone call...

…man, i hope i get one… lol

Congrats to you my friend..!

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by vinceuk1 on Dec 3, 2008 12:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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