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Indiana Hoosiers @ Kentucky Wildcats: Open Game Thread

Indiana Hoosiers at Kentucky Wildcats, Dec 13, 2008 4:00 PM EST


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This is the official A Sea of Blue open game thread for the Indiana Hoosiers vs. Kentucky Wildcats basketball game at Rupp Arena Saturday @ 4:00 PM.

Particulars of this game are as follows:

This game is the mirror image of last year, when the 'Cats ventured into assembly hall only to get mauled by a vastly superior Indiana team.  Today, the depleted Hoosiers come down to the Bluegrass to face a vastly superior Kentucky team.  Can Kentucky return the favor and feast on the Hoosiers?  We'll just have to see.

The 'Cats have had a week to rest and practice, both in almost equal portions.  The 'Cats definitely needed a break, as they were playing game after game, accomplishing seven games in a sixteen day stretch, which works out to over three games per week.

Five things UK needs to do to win:

  1. Get the ball inside to Patterson.  The Hoosiers have no answer for him.
  2. Learn how to attack the zone.  My feeling is, they will see a lot of it today or this game should be easy.
  3. Shoot the ball better from the perimeter.  Kentucky just needs to do this.
  4. Run, run, run.  Kentucky seems to be much better when they run.
  5. Attack the offensive glass.  Kentucky has no excuse for their anemic showing in the offensive rebound department.

Five things UK can do to lose:

  1. Start slow.  Slow starts have done more to hurt UK this year than turnovers have.
  2. Settle for perimeter shots.  We have a huge advantage in the paint, but if Patterson only touches the ball four times in the first half in this game, it could give the Hoosiers hope.
  3. Take the opponent for granted.  Tom Crean is an outstanding game coach, and he will get the most from his charges.  We must take the Hoosiers as seriously as North Carolina.
  4. Allow the Hoosiers to dictate the pace.  Kentucky needs a more up-tempo style, for this game in particular
  5. Matador defense.  IU has some pretty quick guards, and they will get by us and into the paint if we let them.  That could mean foul trouble for our bigs, and that is the biggest advantage we have.

The 'Cats are much better than the Hoosiers this year, and this is definitely a game we should win.  We are missing Ramon Harris, but the Hoosiers are missing about two years of experience, premiere talent and dealing with a new system.  If the 'Cats don't win this by double digits, I will be very disappointed.

[Note:  Due to a Christmas function right after the game, the post-game comments will be later on tonight.  Please continue to use this thread to discuss the game after it is over.  Ed.]

Go 'Cats!

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Major Payback time...

I am certainly hoping that UK romps today. Last year’s game was a debacle and UK needs to win today convincingly.

Go Blue!!

by SevenRings on Dec 13, 2008 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

I , for One, am quite anxious...

to see how this goes today after a week off between games

by teambeam on Dec 13, 2008 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

Tennessee

UT lost to temple
VMI continues to put up big points
Go CATS!

by cthom on Dec 13, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

I like the energy

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

Defense!

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

Lineup

Against MVSU Gillispie played Porter and Liggins together for 18 minutes, I’ll be interested to see how much they are on the floor together for this game.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Dec 13, 2008 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

THanks, cthom, for the score.

WE less fortunates are still watching Memphis and G-town (ptui on both)

by oldcat'69 on Dec 13, 2008 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

You seem to be rather excited by that play

Hopefully the rest of us will be able to see it soon!

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Dec 13, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

Thanks for the sportsline link

by cthom on Dec 13, 2008 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

17-2.....

anyone remember the last start like this???

by teambeam on Dec 13, 2008 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

Mwa-hah-hah!

Take that Indiana.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Dec 13, 2008 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

Geogrtown wins ...

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

is the score honestly

22-4? I can’t get the game—stupid work—so I’m hoping this is right!!

by blue kentucky girl on Dec 13, 2008 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Yep

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

This is like watching...

… a schoolyard bully beating up on a little kid.

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by Gatorpilot on Dec 13, 2008 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

Anyone notice...

that when Liggins enters the game, he immediately begins shooting? I thought his rep was pass first, shoot second.

by Iam4UKinMI on Dec 13, 2008 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

He is...

…i think he knew he was coming out, and he forced that shot….don’t like that.

by BBallSophist on Dec 13, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Kind of sloppy at the moment.

We don’t want to mess around and give them hope.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

If it stays as big a rout as this,

nothing we see the rest of the game will mean much, except for effort levels by individual players.

by oldcat'69 on Dec 13, 2008 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

Pick, roll, and

a drop pass for a layup. OMG. Where did they learn that?

by oldcat'69 on Dec 13, 2008 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

34-13

Take that Hoosiers!

How about Harrellson!

by kykat51 on Dec 13, 2008 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

We've played an great first half...

but I thought we would have scored more than 34 with under three minutes to play.

by Iam4UKinMI on Dec 13, 2008 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

I'm afraid ...

… you’re right, if the first half is any indication.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

WOW

Is UK that good or is IU that bad..?

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 13, 2008 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

IU isn't very good ...

… but they are better than 13 points. They did much better against Gonzaga and even Notre Dame, although they lost both.

But the UK defense today is reminiscent of the Suffocats.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

excellent first half...

outstanding defense..

the offense stalled somewhat in the last 8 minutes…

Hopefully P PAt stays out of foul trouble in the 2nd

by SevenRings on Dec 13, 2008 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

What a half ...

… by Stevenson, Harrellson and Meeks. Honorable mention to Darius Miller.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

Stevenson gets my vote..

He played 20 minutes, 3-3 from the floor for 6 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, and 3 blocks.

by Iam4UKinMI on Dec 13, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I am very Pleased

With the play from Jorts and Stevenson…he is back!…at least for now.

by kykat51 on Dec 13, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

Billy needs to tell ALL the players...

…If you’re open, shot..! Josh and Miller past up open looks…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 13, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

Depends

If it’s still early in the shot clock (20+ seconds remaining) I’m okay with guys passing up open perimeter shots to try and get something closer to the basket.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Dec 13, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think ...

… Josh took enough shots from three. He can shoot it, but you don’t want to take the first open shot in a possession, normally, unless it is close to the basket. Josh can probably get that look anytime he wants it.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

If UK can ...

… play with this kind of defensive intensity, this team could remind us of the Suffocats. It has been that long since I have seen defense of this caliber.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

Can this game...

..push UK into the top 25..? National TV… just asking…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 13, 2008 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

No way whatever.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, ok...

i was just asking… lol

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 13, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it

There are a lot teams that are currently unranked that have had better seasons so far than UK. Now, if they win out and manage to beat UL…

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Dec 13, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of U of L ...

… Austin Peay gave them quite a game today for about 33 minutes.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cardinals ...

… are talented and athletic, but they can be had.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

And I am surprised....I begrudgingly predcited UL will win it all this year

They have a ways to go to get there…

it seems that it is UNC and everyone else

by SevenRings on Dec 13, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I kept up with the scores but didn't see any of the game

I’m not sure if that bodes well or not, or if they just weren’t into the game. I have to think they’ll be focused for UK

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Dec 13, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched UL today

Play Austin Peay…they didn’t play until the 2nd half. Won by 19 I think…I would love to beat UL.

by kykat51 on Dec 13, 2008 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Great half

But we still turned it over 11 times. I know we’re going to be a high turnover team most of the year, but I’d really like to see this team get to 15 or less every game.

That being said, a few turnovers were immediately following us forcing them to turn it over, and one was the Patterson charge. I suppose only 6 or 7 of the 11 were from sloppy play in the set.

by blbskue on Dec 13, 2008 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

Turnovers ...

… are less devastating than allowed steals. But 11 is too many, no doubt.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone was asking about lowest ever Halftime score

The indispensible Jon Scott provides the answer on his website

UK held Campbell to 11 first half points in 2004

Two months (!). Two weeks. Two pencils.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Dec 13, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Poor Indiana. I want to feel sorry for them..

but I bet none of their fans felt sorry for us last year. Paybacks!

by Iam4UKinMI on Dec 13, 2008 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

random notes

written at game

liggins has been hearing it from bcg all game long, but constructively mostly. bcg is definitely putting in time and grooming him.

harrelson works hard no matter the team or the margin.

we need to put this team away by 40 to send msg to rest of nation even though i know IU isn’t good.

definitely prefer these white uniforms on dance team.

wish galloway would calm down. talent is there but why so erratic?

by VentDependent on Dec 13, 2008 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

Agree, Sophist

little intensity. Got to keep your foot on their neck till it’s over, and we’re not doing that. Maybe the first half was our usual second, etc

by oldcat'69 on Dec 13, 2008 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

Meeks

is going to try to get “his” even if it’s not there. Let the game come to you, Son.

by oldcat'69 on Dec 13, 2008 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

Only

6 free throws total in this game so far.

by blbskue on Dec 13, 2008 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

AAARRRRGGGHhH!!!!

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

Inconsistent whiste ...

… Is killing us!

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

Well said, Tru, AAARRRRRGGGGHhH, indeed.

Have we no half-court offense? Don’t we have anyone who can put out for the whole game (except maybe Stevenson today)?

by oldcat'69 on Dec 13, 2008 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

Congrats to Bell County....

for winning the 4A state championship

I always root for the mountain schools

by SevenRings on Dec 13, 2008 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

Great..

only PP knows how to pass to the post.

by hoboat33 on Dec 13, 2008 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

I have heard alot of different comparisons but....

I still think Harrellson reminds me of Padgett… He is a smart player that always seems to be in the right place. Has can shoott inside and out, can rebound and plays solid defense. His bball IQ is very high.

by SevenRings on Dec 13, 2008 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

I noticed that, too.

Perry cries out when he falls and the whole team just walks away. Not good.

by hoboat33 on Dec 13, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, what's up with that?

i noticed that too…everyone seemed to be going the other way.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Dec 13, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Crap

Hope P.Steve is okay. . .

by blbskue on Dec 13, 2008 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

He looks OK

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell yeah.

He, Stevenson, and Harrelson are the only two on the team you can count on to keep their head in the game for 40 minutes. We need Razor back soon.

by blbskue on Dec 13, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Great hustle-back defense

by Galloway, let Stewart take the ball, and the charge!!!!

by oldcat'69 on Dec 13, 2008 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

Offense getting back to fair ...

… By the D is still lacking intensity.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

other than getting it to PP....

I have yet to figure out BCG’s offensive philosophy…Even last year it was get it to PP and let Crawford do his thing. there has to be more right?

by SevenRings on Dec 13, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Intensity!!!!

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

We're going to be lucky

to score 60 pts. We should have scored 80+ in this game. 3/4 of our total points will have come in the first 8 minutes of the game. Frustrating.

by blbskue on Dec 13, 2008 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

Meh

When you’re up this much, it’s a rare team that keeps up the intensity all game long. (we played NC “even” under the same circumstances.)

But I wouldn’t mind stretching this out again. . .

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Dec 13, 2008 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

Freshmen...

… Drive me nuts!

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

the last 30 mins have been pretty bad...

…but the 1st 10 were great and I think this team is really close to being there…
It may take til we get to SEC play, but I do believe this will be a very formidable team come March…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 13, 2008 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

Wish I had seen the first of the game

we’ve lost the part of the game I watched.

by hoboat33 on Dec 13, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

PSTEVE, my M A N!

Try it more often, you’ll like it.

by oldcat'69 on Dec 13, 2008 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

Galloway got the start over Miller..?

well, it worked…!

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 13, 2008 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

Much better ...

… In that sequence.

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by Glenn Logan on Dec 13, 2008 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

When this game started...

it was looking alot like the 2004 match-up in which we won 80-41. And quite frankly, I was expecting something like that today. Don’t get me wrong, a twenty (or so) point win is nice, but I’m very dissapointed in how we’ve played.

by Iam4UKinMI on Dec 13, 2008 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

I think...

…the momentum changed when Liggins entered the game… for whatever reason…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 13, 2008 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

turtle got in the game!

hope buddy can make these FTs!

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Dec 13, 2008 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

IU still playing hard...

…That’s a sing of a good coach

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 13, 2008 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

Poor Landon

They called him “Landon Stone” all game.

by blbskue on Dec 13, 2008 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

Like drinking "inexpensive" wine,

this game tasted good to begin with, and I got a little buzz (it was Indiana, after all, and any win is better than some of our losses), but that bitter aftertaste kinda ruins the whole thing. Must be the nitrates, or the freshmen, or the lack of a real point guard to run the team, or . . . .

by oldcat'69 on Dec 13, 2008 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

Congrats UK for starting the game with...

…INTENSITY…!

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 13, 2008 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

Balanced stats

One of the more balanced boxscores this year. Most have been heavy on Meeks and Pat. It’s great to see Perry and Josh step up. Perry was all over with 6 blocks!

by cthom on Dec 13, 2008 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

Listening to the postgame

Srevenson defensive player of the game.

by kykat51 on Dec 13, 2008 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

That's Why He Starts

And earns 20-25 minutes PT.

10 pts, 9 boards, 6 blocks.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 13, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And of course

my “jorts”…very balanced scoring…this was a team effort. I want to see more!

by kykat51 on Dec 13, 2008 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

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