More Patterson Draft Speculation
I know it's something we all hate to think about, but we have to be realistic.
Here's what ESPN's Chad Ford has to say about Patterson:
"Patterson has an NBA body and athleticism, and lately his numbers at Kentucky attest to it. He had 31 points versus Lamar, 19 points and 16 rebounds versus Miami, and then 21 and 10 versus Mississippi Valley State. He's shooting a ridiculous 73 percent from the field and is showing some nice offensive versatility. Ideally, Patterson would be a few inches taller than 6-8, but his explosive leaping ability and his long wingspan make up for much of it. Scouts still have him ranked in the 20s, but he's the type of player who could really rise as we get closer to the draft."
No mention of that "regression" some people have been talking about.
Here's the whole thing:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftWatch-081211&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1
UPDATE 12/16/2008 by Truzenzuzex: John Clay just posted this blog about Patterson. Seems some NBA scouts think highly of him.
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Patterson Is Borderline Lottery Pick
And will be until he convinces NBA teams that he is full recovered from his injuries.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 11, 2008 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jumper
He has a pretty good jumper but its not silky smooth. The day he demonstrates a sweet jumper and looks fully recovered I think he beomes a top 10 pick.
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by davw83 on Dec 12, 2008 10:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The biggest difference ...
… that I see is that he seems just a little less aggressive and confident this year. Lottery picks desire to dominate their opponent, you have to have that mentality in the NBA. Pat showed a lot of that last year, but I’m not seeing it as much this year. It shows up as a lack of explosiveness, fewer dunks and more layups.
Maybe it’s just me …
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 13, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not just you
I fell in love with the kid’s work ethic last year. This year he looks lazy.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Dec 13, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley And Crawford At G
Porter and Meeks at G.
Big difference between 2008 and 2009.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 13, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year vs This year
As good as they were, Bradley and Crawford were just as ineffective at feeding the post last year as Porter and Meeks are this year. (Remember… thats why we wanted Liggins so bad!)
Last year Patterson would post, re-post, and post again all while demanding the ball regardless of the fact that he rarely was fed with an entry pass. This year, Patterson is not showing nearly the effort to get position as he did last year.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Dec 13, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not What I Meant
Both Crawford and Bradley were scoring threats from G position.
Patterson got more chances as a result of that.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 13, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough... but scoring guards was not the topic of conversation
Patterson’s effort in the post was the topic of conversation. And I will stick with my original thoughts as it pertains to the effort he is showing this year to date.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Dec 15, 2008 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mental Recovery From His Injury
When he regains confidence that he won’t re-injure himself, the effort will return.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 15, 2008 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My take
The two biggies that will affect Patterson’s NBA stock (ignoring whether or not he has fully recovered, physically and mentally, from the injury) are:
1. Feeding the post. We all hope that as the season progresses we begin feeding the post better. This will give Patterson more touches, more points, more rebounds, etc. In order for him to average, by mid-conference play, 20+ and 10+, this has to happen. For Patterson to be a solid lottery pick, he needs these averages. He has had many great games this season, but also some mediocre games. He’s getting in foul trouble a lot more too. Part of all of this is that Patterson needs to seal his man better. His 3/4 seals are, in my opinion, a mixed result of not fully recovering (mostly mentally) yet, and getting frustrated with too few attetmps. He may be thinking, “Why work so hard to seal when the guards aren’t even going to try to get it to me?” He needs to seal fully every time. The other part, obviously, is everyone else feeding more effectively and efficiently. If Meeks (and Miller or Harris or someone else) can get their shooting % from three and the long two up, there will be more opportunities for this as the opponent has to guard the long shot better.
2. Mid-range jumper. He hasn’t really shown the ability to knock this shot down, mostly because he rarely takes it. He just isn’t big enough to be a true post player in the NBA, though he undoubtedly will be able to post better than most 6’8" NBA guys. In order for this to happen, we need someone else to post regularly, and allow Patterson to shift out to take this shot. In my opinion, giving Harrelson more time down low (because Stevenson will simply never be a true post-player) allows Patterson to shift. If he sticks around next year, putting Orton at the 4/5 and letting Patterson play a more true 4 spot will showcase this skill (I’m assuming he has it). If Patterson can get to where 1/2 to 3/4 of his shots are from post, and 1/4 to 1/2 are the mid-range jumper, he will become a LOT more appealing to NBA teams.
by blbskue on Dec 15, 2008 3:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can't really ...
… improve on these observations. I have always said that Patterson’s lack of size makes him a tough sell at the 4 in the NBA, although his strength and work ethic make up for a lot of that.
He needs to develop his game away from the basket more. I’m not sure he needs 3-point NBA range, but he needs to be proficient out to 18 feet. He also needs to demonstrate the ability to shoot it of the bounce a bit, as he will have to face up more in the NBA.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 16, 2008 7:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One More Factor
Who else is eligible for the draft when he chooses to enter it.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 15, 2008 4:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Please Pat
Don’t go. The NBA is a scary place, where team presidents sacrifice the young and David Stern makes you wear ties. You will never be more loved than here in the Bluegrass, where the beer flows like wine.
by daniel81 on Dec 16, 2008 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh, yea...
…except for that Million dollar signing bonus and all those pay days…
If he can be a lottery pick, I say go young man go…!
Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.
by vinceuk1 on Dec 16, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beer Won't Be A Factor
His parents want him to get his UK degree.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 16, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Forty on this one.
I say he stays.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 16, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point in the season ...
… I agree.
I reserve the right to change my mind later on. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 17, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tru
I think it’s looking more like he could stay for another year but Im not sure Im ready to pull the trigger on saying I think he will. There are going to be some really good big men in the draft this year like Habeet, Hansbrough, Griffin, and possibly Harangodey. I think he is a top twenty pick anytime he goes but if stays one more season I think he could go top ten.
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by davw83 on Dec 17, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really ...
… think NBA teams are going to pick Hansbrough over a guy like Patterson? Hansbrough doesn’t play as big as Patterson, and is not as athletic, in my view. Of course, a lot can be said for a motor like his. But for my money, Hansbrough and Patterson could be the same player in the NBA — both slightly undersized, one more athletic, one more of an “energy” guy. I think they are both equally strong — Hansbrough is very solid and really uses his strength well, especially offensively.
That seems a bit risky. Harangodey, I have not seen enough of. to judge. Thabeet and Griffin look like solid first rounders, probably even lottery material. I’m thinking there will be a lot of guards coming out early, but not that many big guys.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 17, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Blake Griffin doesn't go first...
Something is wrong with the world.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Dec 17, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I wasnt putting them in order of when they would go or meant to insinuate that Hansbrough would go before Pat. I think Pat projects better at the four in the NBA than Tyler will. All I meant is that this draft class is full of good big men if they all enter the draft. He could possibly go higher next season if there arent as many available bigs.
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by davw83 on Dec 17, 2008 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guards
I disagree about the guards coming out early. This seasons freshman class is weak compared to the last few years. Of the younger players I think your will see more bigs and regardless you will see more upperclassmen drafted this year than in the previous few years.
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by davw83 on Dec 17, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not ...
… convinced that we won’t see a relatively large number of guards and swing players coming out this year, and fewer big men. That’s because there are just relatively few underclassmen who are good enough.
But swing players and guards, there are plenty, although some may not really be ready.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 18, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be
I guess it depends on your definition of a class filled with big men. Draft classes loaded with good bigs still probably tend to run more to guard and swing players simply because there are more of them in the game.
Regardless I dont think this draft is going to wow anyone. There are a few players possibly who could wow someone but isnt loaded like the last few years have been.
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by davw83 on Dec 18, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that this draft ...
… will not excite anyone. This looks like one of the least overall talent in any draft class in a while.
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 20, 2008 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He can still get a degree
I’ve never understood that logic. My god man… UK isn’t going anywhere. Take the money if its there as a lottery pick. Come back for a degree later.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Dec 17, 2008 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can BUT
It’s more likely to get the degree first, then earn NBA millions.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 17, 2008 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In the "Better late than never..." department....
Former Memphis St. star Keith Lee received his degree from the University of Memphis last Saturday. At age 45, he says that he hopes to go into coaching. He’s an example of one who played four years, and failed to earn a degree at the time. Congratulations to him now, and good luck. Great college basketball player. Avg. about 18 & 10 per game.
by racercat98 on Dec 17, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I have two bachelor’s degrees and a J.D., but you wouldn’t have to ask me twice to trade those in for a couple million dollars. Can always go back to school, especially if you are wealthy. Can’t always be a lottery pick.
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by Mr. Bob Dobalina on Dec 19, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shelf life
You have a lot longer shelf life as a laywer than as an NBA player. There are 75+-year old practicing attorneys. Good luck playing much past 45 in the NBA.
by EEWildcat on Dec 21, 2008 5:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
go patrick!
okay cut some slack on pat-i mena hey the kid does a good job and without him we’ll be like, like, nothing. so before u talk a bunch of crap about him look at his game reviews and scores he’s getting better and better. so next time bite ur tongue when u wanna talk. i’m just saying…
by kycatt_fan on Dec 17, 2008 11:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Eh?
Who is this directed to?
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 17, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Must be. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 21, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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