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1966 Kittens -- Bob Tallent

From the Editor:  This is the third in a series of  short essays from A Sea of Blue member oldcat'69, who played as a walk-on on Kentucky's freshman team in 1965-66 during the Adolph Rupp era.
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Bob Tallent was aptly named! The boy could shoot the eyes out of the basket. He wasn’t very fast, and he wasn’t very tall, and he couldn’t jump very high, but he could shoot! He was a third-string sophomore on the Rupp’s Runts team in ’65-’66.

As the Runts’ first string was working on a 1-3-1 zone one day, Tallent, on the opposition, kept getting the ball on the right baseline in the very corner. And he kept hitting jump shots, one after the other. He made at least seven in a row. It might have been eight or more, but I counted the last six, and he’d already made one or two before I started. Every single one of them would have been threes today. I was impressed.

Someone else was impressed, too. Coach Rupp stopped the scrimmage, walked out to the free throw circle, gathered the team around him and said, “Son, I’ve been coaching this game for over 30 years, and that’s the best exhibition of shooting I’ve ever seen.” Then, he got on the first string for not figuring out how to stop Bob from getting the shot.

So, if Bob was that good, why didn’t he get more playing time and why isn’t his number retired in Rupp Arena? Well, he was a bit of a free spirit, and he didn’t like to play defense all that much. Coach Rupp really didn’t like free spirits, probably because he didn’t understand them. And he really, really wasn’t fond of guys who didn’t like to play defense.

Some time later that year in a practice, Coach Rupp had stopped a scrimmage to make a comment about what was going on. Bob Tallent happened to have had the ball when play was stopped, so he just curled it under his hand and sort of trapped it at his waist, just like millions of players have done hundreds of millions of times. Unfortunately for Bob, however, he decided, as Coach Rupp was still talking, to roll the ball off his waist and take one dribble. Which made noise, which interrupted Coach Rupp, which ticked him off, which resulted in Bob getting kicked out of practice the rest of the day.

The next year, Bob was released from the team and eventually transferred to George Washington, where he played and eventually coached (Forty, how many years?). I was not allowed in to practice that year, since my usefulness to the program, limited as it was, had expired the year before, so I don’t personally know what transpired between them. I do seem to remember, however, that it involved lack of playing time. I also remember that Bob’s mother later stated that no other boy from the eastern part of the state would ever go to UK again, presaging Alex Legion’s mom, I guess.

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thank you.

enjoying your posts so much! Glad you are part of ASOB.

by StillCatwoman on Dec 11, 2008 3:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Tallent-ed Brothers

Bob Tallent averaged 29 ppg as a senior at George Washington U and coached there from mid 1970’s to early 1980’s.

His brothers Mike and Pat played with him (Mike) and for him (Pat) there at GWU.

His nickname at UK was “Red” as I recall. He was one of only 2 HS All-Americans on the Runts. The other was Larry Conley. Parade named only 15 to 25 players as HS A-A then.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 11, 2008 6:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Where did all that "Tallent"

Come from? I mean it just wasn’t Bob, but also his two younger brothers.

I always have to Google these names :-) I saw that brother Pat now coaches an AAU girl’s basketball team with Bob as an assistant. Don’t know how old that article is though.

But my main question was the talent of all these brothers, which is very unusual unless inherited.

by kykat51 on Dec 11, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bird Brothers From Corbin KY

Another example of talented brothers.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 11, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

StillCatwoman,

you were up awfully early (late?) to post. Thanks, glad you’re enjoying the memories. Don’t know who your hubby is, but there are a lot of us PGA of America club pros out there who would like the opportunity to play just once in a Tour event. I hope he does well whenever he plays!!
And Forty, Bob was “Red”. He and I were in a mechanical drawing class that ended at 2:00, and we walked across campus to the Coliseum together most days so he could practice and I could watch from 2:00 till 4:00. He was a really nice guy, but like a lot of “shooters”, didn’t like to be on the bench.

by oldcat'69 on Dec 11, 2008 8:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff, Oldcat

Your mentioning the silence in practice, reminded me of one time when Coach Rupp stopped a scrimmage and complained about the lazy passes. “I want to see some zing on the ball when it leaves your hands,” he said. When play resumed, Jim Lemaster took the ball, passed it to a teamate, and in a burst of spontaneity yelled “Zing.”

As a freshman manager and the low man on the food chain, I looked on in horror and maybe a little admiration, too while I awaited what was to come next. Maybe the old man had mellowed or maybe he liked Jim. Whatever it was, he just growled something unintelligible and play kept right on going.

Thanks again. You’re bringing back a lot of old memories. I’m an Old Cat 1971.

by zbbg on Dec 11, 2008 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's a great story

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Dec 11, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some things never change

Whether it’s Liggins saying “Calm down coach” to Gillispie or Lemaster saying “Zing” to the Baron, it seems like talented players are always pushing the line with the coach.

Thanks for another good read oldcat’69!

by EEWildcat on Dec 11, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Big difference...

Liggins comment was during a game and Lemaster’s was during a scrimmage.

by kykat51 on Dec 11, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Liggins

When did that happen?

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 12, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Recent Game

Matt Jones of KSR blog claimed Liggins told Gillispie (something like) Coach, Calm Down.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 12, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Zing"

Hehe…Lemaster sure was a brave soul.

by kykat51 on Dec 11, 2008 10:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good again

I’m really enjoying reading these reminisces, thank you again for sharing them with us oldcat!

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Dec 11, 2008 2:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree JL

I love this stuff!

by kykat51 on Dec 11, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How 'bout the Groza brothers,

Lou “The Toe” and Alex, Forty? They were both pretty talented, too.
And zbbg, are your initials DB? If so, we’ve met, but it was incidental contact and no foul. Great story about LeMaster. Here’s another one: The last practice before Christmas break 1965, Gerry Guter begged Coach Lancaster not to have freshman practice so he could “study’. Yeah, like Gerry ever studied!! Anyway, I was already dressed and watching varsity practice, like I always did. About that time, Coach Rupp let the first five off of the scrimmage, and, having only nine players left, asked me if I wanted to run with the scrubs (Brad Bounds, Bob Tallent, Gene Stewart, Larry Lentz, and me). It was one of only two times he called me by name. I wasn’t about to refuse.
Jim LeMaster and Steve Clevenger were the second string guards. Clevenger looked at (now Judge) LeMaster and said, "Who do you want?” Jim sort of sneered when he said, “I’ll take (oldcat’69). It was my best day ever! The first time down the floor, I knocked Jim off on a Bounder pick and dropped a little jump pass over Gary Gamble for Bounds’ layup. The rest was about as good, too. Tallent couldn’t miss, Larry Lentz actually got a couple of rebounds off Cliff Berger, and the "scrubs” cleaned the second string’s clock. After scrimmage was over, I walked past Bob Tallent and whispered, “I’ll take LeMaster.” He doubled over laughing.

by oldcat'69 on Dec 11, 2008 5:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hi-larious.

These old war stories are great. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 11, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes they are...

And FortyYear is in 7th heaven :-)

by kykat51 on Dec 11, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, Groza Brothers Were Great Athletes

My father-in-law played on the 1944 Utah (NCAA champs) team before he dropped out to enter the Army. His Utah teammate Arnie Ferrin told me (at Vaughn’s 80th birthday party) two things – # 1 Groza was the best he ever played against, better than George Mikan, and # 2 Ralph Beard was better than Bob Cousy.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 11, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm not DB, OldCat,

but he would be the one with many stories. Besides being a manager for several years, I think I remember he belonged to the same fraternity as several of the players.

Your comments about your conversations with Coach Rupp reminded of the only time, he actually asked me a question. If he spoke at all to me and it was rare, it was usually to bark a command or complain. Anyway, it was early preseason and Coach had stayed to watch a little of the freshman practice. I was at side court when I heard the familiar drawl yell “Manager.”

I hustled over and replied “Yes, sir?”

“Who is that fat-assed kid out there?” he asked pointing to a particular walkon.

by zbbg on Dec 12, 2008 12:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Continuation of earlier post

I told Coach who the player was and where he was from.

“Well, what the hell does he think he is doing?”

I replied " I don’t know, sir."

With that he stormed off and that was the end of it.

(I aplolgize for busting up the post. As I mentioned earlier, I’m a 1971 grad and getting old.)

by zbbg on Dec 12, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

That doesn’t qualify as old. You’re maybe 8 years older than me. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Dec 12, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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