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Putting Kentucky's recent seasons into context

There’s been a lot of understandable weeping and gnashing of teeth among the BBN lately over the fall from national prominence of “once proud Kentucky”.  There is a feeling that UK as a program shouldn’t have to go through these kinds of struggles, but I think it would be helpful to gain some perspective on UK’s performance the past few seasons by looking at what a couple of comparable power programs have gone through this decade.

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There are two historically great programs that have been through rough stretches this decade.  UNC is familiar to pretty much everyone, but I think most people forget that UCLA also fell off the college basketball map not too long ago.  For those two programs I’ve listed seasons beginning with the last time each made the NCAA tournament prior to their first bad season and ending with their first season attaining notable success thereafter.

UNC

SEASONRECORDCONF RECORDPOSTSEASONNOTABLE LOSSES
2000-01 26-7 13-3 2 seed NCAA, 2nd round
2001-02 8-20 4-12   Hampton, Davidson, Ohio (home), College of Charleston (neutral)
2002-03 19-16 6-10 NIT, 3rd round Iona (Neutral)
2003-04 19-11 8-8 6 seed NCAA, 2nd round
2004-05 33-4 14-2 1 seed NCAA, Champs


UCLA

SEASONRECORDCONF RECORDPOSTSEASONNOTABLE LOSSES
2001-02 21-12 11-7 8 seed NCAA, Sweet 16 Pepperdine (home), Ball State (neutral)
2002-03 10-19 6-12   San Diego, Northern Arizona (home)
2003-04 11-17 7-11   UC-Santa Barbara (home)
2004-05 18-11 11-7 11 seed NCAA, 1st round
2005-06 33-7 14-4 2 seed NCAA, Finals


Notice that UNC and UCLA each had seasons well below .500 that included some embarrassing home losses on the same order as what UK went through last year.  Both went through a coaching change (oddly enough both occurred in 2003), and both had a mediocre re-appearance in the NCAA tournament before getting back to the Final Four.

Now here’s Kentucky.  Since UK hasn’t had a below .500 season recently, I started with their last notable NCAA appearance which was the Elite 8 run a few years ago.

UK

SEASONRECORDCONF RECORDPOSTSEASONNOTABLE LOSSES
2004-05 28-6 14-2 2 seed NCAA, Elite 8
2005-06 22-13 9-7 8 seed NCAA, 2nd round
2006-07 22-12 9-7 8 seed NCAA, 2nd round
2007-08 18-13 12-4 11 seed NCAA, 1st round Gardner-Webb, San Diego, Houston


Wow.  Kind of makes you appreciate our guys a bit more doesn’t it?  Despite their struggles, at no point has UK been anywhere near as bad as UCLA and UNC have been in the recent past.  UK has kept their NCAA appearance streak intact while finishing better than .500 in conference every year – something neither UNC nor UCLA can claim.

I’m not about to predict a Final Four appearance for this year’s squad – that would just be silly.  But I think a Sweet 16 appearance is very much possible and I remain optimistic about this year’s team.  I firmly believe that once the PG situation gets straightened out everything else will fall into place and this will be the best UK team since 2004-2005.

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I still BELIEVE! (that UK will...)
Make the NCAA tournament
91 votes
Make the Second Round of the NCAA tournament
77 votes
Make the Sweet Sixteen
79 votes
Make the Elite 8
14 votes
Make the Final Four
2 votes
Make the Championship Game
5 votes
Make delicious burgers on their Foreman Grills
41 votes

309 votes | Poll has closed

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Has anyone tried to put tables directly from Word into a fanpost? If so how did you do it? I tried inserting the tables using the “paste from Word” option, but it never came out correctly. Doing them each using straight HTML is terrible.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Nov 21, 2008 2:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

1979 Through 1983

19-12, 1st round L in NIT (at HOME in Rupp Arena).

29-6, 2nd round L in NCAA (at HOME in Rupp Arena).

22-6, 1st round L in NCAA.

22-8, 1st round L in NCAA.

23-8, disappointing L to Louisville in NCAA.

115-40, 3-5 in NCAA or NIT (postseason) play.

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 21, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Errr..okay

I’m not sure how this is relevant to the point I was making though…

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Nov 21, 2008 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1960-65 (Same Thing)

UK had 6 subpar years prior to Rupps Runts in 1966.

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 21, 2008 8:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We've been Spoiled

My wife is a Teacher and every Summer she gets off work and starts cooking for me and doing all the cleaning. By the beginning of school I am so spoiled by the Extra that I am slow to realize that I need to pitch in a little more. However, she treats me pretty well during the school year too. The Late 90s for a UK fan was like my Summers. Championship-Runner Up-Championship followed a succesion of high seeds and nice runs in the Tournament while not to mention dominance in the SEC.
I think as fans it is time to do our part and continue to be positive & chear our team on and encourage— not discourage. Have a little faith. I just joined Sea of Blue because it appears to be that positive, realistic outook I finally get a month or so into the school year. Now, if only someone could show this thread to ESPN.

by LyricSmith on Nov 21, 2008 9:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

1990's At UK

Only better decade was 1940’s – 6 FF (3 NCAA, 3 NIT) and 3 national titles (2 NCAA, 1 NIT). NCAA = NIT back then.

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 22, 2008 8:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ASOB

You’re definitely at the right place. Balanced, level-headed analysis, win or lose. If we win, come here to avoid the uber-embarrassing “We’re back! We’ll never lose again!” syndrome. If we lose, come here to get the “Take your head out of the oven. It’ll get better if we just do A, B, and C.” treatment. The best bunch of fans in the BBN, complete with some awesome hosts in Tru, JL, and Ken H.

by Acdixon on Nov 22, 2008 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

That’s exactly the kind of balance we hope to strike.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 22, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome

To A Sea of Blue. I know you will enjoy being on board.

by kykat51 on Nov 22, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AC

Acdixon’s been around for a while.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Nov 22, 2008 1:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

She was ...

… responding to LyricSmith.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 22, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OH

Makes more sense.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Nov 22, 2008 2:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes I did a reply to Lyric

But it did not end up right? lol..Thanks Tru.

by kykat51 on Nov 22, 2008 3:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

San Diego made the NCCA and even won their opening round game.Hindsight,they are not a “bad” loss.

by -Zoso- on Nov 23, 2008 1:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

True

But I never said it was a “bad” loss, I said it was a “notable” loss, and it was because San Diego does not have a history of basketball excellence, nor was it a loss in conference which was the general criteria I used for listing those games. Also, I counted them as a notable loss for UCLA in the 2002-2003 season and wished to be consistent.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Nov 23, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another (Nearby) Example

Cincinnati won 420 games and lost 140 from 1990 through 2006 for 75% record and 25 W average.

UC averaged 12 W the past 2 seasons (2007 and 2008).

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 24, 2008 8:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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