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North Carolina 77, Kentucky 58: The lamentations of the day

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Never in recent history has the end of a UK game felt so much like an act of mercy from God.  Congratulations to the North Carolina Tar Heels on an outstanding win, and a complete domination of the Wildcats from start to finish.  I did warn what would happen if we let them get out to a fast start, and alas, we did.

My brothers and sisters of the Big Blue Nation, your humble correspondent is growing extremely weary of writing obituaries about the Kentucky Wildcats.  The season began with such hope, and in less than a month, it has taken on an altogether sinister character, first losing to a supposedly overmatched VMI team, and now being uncompetitive with an obviously superior North Carolina team.

This game, as in our last game, turnovers were the story.  Early in the pre-season, we had hopes that the better ball handling we had seen in the Blue-White game might be a harbinger of an improved and even dangerous Kentucky team.  It's still to early to tell if Kentucky might wind up dangerous, but in this writer's opinion, they have a long, long way to go before there is any hope of applying that label to them.

After the first half of this game, I was so angry I was already dreaming up the phrases I was going to use to pillory Billy Gillispie.  After the second half, I had to re-evaluate my anger.  No matter what we may have thought before, it is clear that this team has issues, and they are serious.  I don't know who or what is the problem, but a problem there is, because you simply don't see close-knit teams play the kind of horrible pseudo-basketball we had to endure in the first half, and then come out after an apparent diatribe by the coach at halftime that spared no aspect of these young men's manhood and play a pretty fair second half.

The second half was markedly better than the first, especially defensively.  This Kentucky team has serious and maybe fatal offensive issues, and despite Patterson's good shooting, it is clear that he is damaged goods.  He is not nearly the athlete he was last year, and it was obvious from the first minute.  He may return to 100% sometime, but anyone who saw him this year and last cannot doubt that he is worse for the wear.

I saw some good individual effort out there, particularly in the second half.  Meeks has to learn that a pass is a good thing, but his defense is light-years beyond where it was the last time he played significant minutes.  Perry Stevenson quietly had a decent game, and DeAndre Liggins really impressed me with his defensive effort against the much quicker Ty Lawson, even though he was completely incompetent handling the ball, and particularly trying to make high-school passes in a college game.  But that can be forgiven him -- he is just a freshman.

For Michael Porter, nothing.  He is just not up to this task, at least not now, and I question if he will ever be.  I will just leave it at that.  Darius Miller was awful, but again, he is a freshman, and he will get better.  Josh Harrellson had a moment or two of decent play, but mostly he was simply ineffective and not ready to play at the level of a UK basketball player.  Ramon Harris was just the same as always -- tentative on offense and a demon on defense, but he should have been much better.

Even after this embarrassment, I am not losing hope.  All of you think that it kind of sucks being a Kentucky fan right now, but you have absolutely no idea how miserable it is to be a Kentucky blogger at this precise moment.  I stay in the game by assuring myself that we will get better, and that one day, however long it may seem, we will once again grasp the brass ring.  I am tempted to qualify that statement significantly, but I refuse to do so on principle.

So here we are, 0-2 for the first time in eight years.  Yes, that's right, we were 0-2 back in 2000, and I remember it well.  But let's keep our heads up, as hard as it may seem at the moment, and our pride before us.  Life can sometimes deal harshly with us, but in the end, this is still only a college sporting contest.  If you had been in my home during the game, you may have believed it was life or death, but it isn't.  Perspective is important, and faith in our legacy, however tarnished it is right now, is what we have.

Good night, 'Cat fans.  The sun will most likely come up tomorrow and if so, there will be more games to play.

 

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Nolan Richardson…

    Had a great line while at Arkansas… "if you cut off the head, the body will fall"
Of course, he was talking about the point guard.. I’m not near as articulate as TRU or many other bloggers, but I will say that Nolan is correct!!! The problem is, Kentucky does not have a "head" to cut off, and that is very disheartening…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 18, 2008 11:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

I don’t feel very articulate right now. Just disappointed.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 18, 2008 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Go ahead, have a bourbon

I won’t call you unethical.

by EEWildcat on Nov 19, 2008 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gee ...

… thanks! :-)

I had a cognac instead. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 7:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We're 0-2 for the 3rd

time in 81 years. In 1976 we ended up winning the NIT, but the NIT was a little more prestigious than it is now. Then in 2001, the CATS ended up with a #2 seed in the NCAA. So all is not lost, unless Billy Clyde decides to keep poor Michael Porter in the starting lineup. I live in Ashland, KY, about 10 minutes from Huntington, WV, which is the home of Marshall University. The Thundering Herd have a great young coach by the name of Donnie Jones, who was an assistant for Billy Donovan at Florida. He’s brought in a great group of transfers, juco’s, and freshmen. Anyways, my point is that Michael Porter could not play for Marshall. But yet he is the starting point guard for the best basketball program in the country. What at country we live in, huh?

gobigbluecatsfan72

by gobigbluecatsfan72 on Nov 18, 2008 11:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know Billy's address..?

I was gonna’ send him a “that was easy” button. Maybe that would help..??

OK, that’s over, so as the soup Nazi would say.. “NEXT”

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 12:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Emotions

Tru you are such a great writer but your emotions are getting the best of you right now. Yes terrible performance tonight but at times I saw some glitches of promise. I don’t think we are dire and in no way do I think that we are as bad as last year. Everyone is saying oh we are 0-2 for only the third time but how many times have we played the number one team in the nation this early. Whoever scheduled and accepted that was stupid. New team………..playing NC! Don’t think that was smart at all.

With all that said………..BG better realize that BBN will not put up with this every year. I watch Tennessee football with Hubby and all I have to say is Phillip Fulmer. Patience runs thin with programs like this and BG doesn’t have Fulmer’s resume. If the unforseen happens and UK has another eleven plus losses this season then Billy’s contract won’t be signed.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 12:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

One more thing

Porter was my favorite player and he is a nice kid and all but I have to learn to cut the apron strings and so does Billy. I am not sure why he is starting. Maybe cause of practice work but time to get someone in there who is consistent.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is starting ...

… because he knows the system. He may start all season, but Liggins is going to get the lion’s share of the minutes.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 12:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Understand what you are saying

but I dont’ think BG’s system is turnover after turnover and stupid decisions.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 12:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No.

It certainly isn’t.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 7:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like...

Porter is this years Mark Coury.

by Iam4UKinMI on Nov 19, 2008 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got to say

I was unusually disappointed by Porter in this game. There were a couple of times in the beginning of the game – I don’t know if he was trying to listen to gillispie’s orders from the bench or what – he just STOPPED playing defense and Lawson ran around him. I can’t figure it.

by EEWildcat on Nov 19, 2008 12:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya think?

Overall, I thought I was pretty positive considering the magnitude of the failure.

Go figure.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 12:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just not ready to throw in the towel

That is all I am saying. Terrible performance but I just feel that it can get better. Heck maybe I am getting used to it. I don’t know.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 12:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

what I was thinking when I wrote it but I didn’t type it out

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 12:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Second half wasn't bad

We only got outscored in the second half by a freakish 3 points at the end of the game. Most of the 2nd half we were positive in points.

We just need some time for Liggins to mature. We will be okay by the end of the year.

by EEWildcat on Nov 19, 2008 12:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

UNC coasted in the second half...

…as soon as we got it “down” to 13 points, they’d turn it back on and extend it back up to wherever they felt like was an appropriate lead on a bad team

by BBallSophist on Nov 19, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

5 ways we will get better....

1. Meeks needs to shoot less…
2. Patterson needs to shoot more…
3. Porter needs to come off the bench…
4. Billy needs to, (and I can’t believe I’m saying this), slow the game down…
5. The offense must, I mean MUST, go through Patterson…

those 5 things happen, we will be ok… IMHO…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 12:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Chill Pill

Meeks just needs to CALM DOWN. He just goes crazy and takes a shot. If he could take 0.1 seconds just to adjust his aim, he’d be fine. Most of the time he has time.

As for #2, Patterson just NEEDS THE BALL! He’s awesome when he gets it – save those last 3 shots where he was taking some lessons from Meeks and just throwing it up there.

Whatever crazy stuff the opponent is trying to do on defense to keep Patterson from getting the ball has to be stopped. He needs to touch the ball every possession – and offensive rebounds don’t count.

by EEWildcat on Nov 19, 2008 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just got home from Chapel Hill...

Tough game. Decent number of Kentucky fans at the game who all stayed the entire 40 from what I could tell.

Turnovers are a huge problem. Porter is not good enough to play PG at a top level school. I don’t hate on the guy as much as most fans do though since he’s a natural 2 guard. I think our best bet is to put Liggins in for some “on the job training.”

Patterson played great…that is, the few times he got the ball. Our offense needs to run through his hands. He should touch the ball on every possession. He was basically double-teamed all night, but he is good enough to where that should not matter.

We desperately need a third option on offense. Perry Stevenson could be it if he gets the ball closer to the free throw line instead of 3 feet outside the arc. He should never, ever be handling it out there.

All in all, many of us expected to lose to Carolina. Not quite in this fashion, but still a loss. So, we’re only one game worse than we originally thought. There were bright spots in this game:
-The defense was much better I thought.
-Meeks can almost score at will.
-We never gave up. This game could have gotten really ugly like many do in early November in Chapel Hill. We seemed like we were always very close to making a run, it just never happened.

Luckily, Kentucky makes the best whiskey in the world. Don’t get depressed, things will get better.

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Nov 19, 2008 12:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Meeks can almost score at will

I would change that to “Meeks can shoot at will”

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 9:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meeks

that’s for sure. Methinks he is trying to make up for all of last year. Perhaps BCG should introduce him to Patterson in practice.

by Bluegilla on Nov 19, 2008 9:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, who still thinks Michael Porter should be our first-string point guard, lead guard, 1? Anyone? What’s his assist-to-turnover ratio? His steals-per-minute? Honestly, running him out there is just asking to get off to a slow start. You can afford a Coury Flurry at the 4, but not at point guard. I’d love to just see Liggins and Galloway run out there, and develop through the season. Porter’s a junior, and I think we’ve seen all the development we’re going to see out of him.

by Mahatma on Nov 19, 2008 12:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I will say

I do think we’re better than we were at this point last year. We were probably 8-10 games in before we reached this point. But Derek Jasper is not coming out that door this year. Liggins must improve for us to have a chance, and I think he will.

by EEWildcat on Nov 19, 2008 12:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Legacy at stake

Tru,

I can’t agree with anyone who thinks you are being overly critical or hyperbolic.
One of the only things Dookie V said with which I agree was, “There is no excuse for losing to VMI, NONE”.
Now, on the heels of that embarrassment, we show up on national TV looking more like a high school team. I don’t know whose fault it is that for an entire half we played defense that badly and played offense with no plan whatsoever, much to the delight of Vitale, Phelps and the insufferable Knight who LOVE to make fun of everything UK. Even Bilas jumped right on the bashwagon.
ESPN used the phrase, “once proud Wildcats” only a couple days ago.
Chrome Dome couldn’t wait to point out that UNC will soon pass UK for all-time wins like that is all but inevitable.
I don’t plan to give up on these hard-working athletes.
But, if their Coach can’t come up with an offense, SOME offense and get them to execute it our fading legacy will get dimmer with each “L” that goes by our university’s name.
Yes, we only lost the second half by 3 points. Erin Andrews made sure we all knew that BCG gave a blistering speech at the half.
My questions:
Why wasn’t he able to give that speech BEFORE the game?
Why does he need to give the speech at all? Is there no other way for him to motivate his team? Are they all so dumb they can’t listen until the paint is peeling?
Our Head Coach (or Lead Coach) HAS to send a team onto the floor that will not embarrass themselves and tarnish the uniforms they wear.
Are we all going to have to wait until February for this year’s squad to figure it out?
So, Tru Blue, there are others out here who feel your pain, believe me.
All of us hope the team gets it together sooner than later.
But for now, we are a non-factor on the national basketball scene, a laughing stock for network announcers and at risk of losing our #1 claim to fame as the All-Time Winningest Program.
Even for the most optimistic among us, that’s some pessimistic reality.
We all said we’ll know what this team is made of when they get to UNC. Now we know.
Crazy fan that I am, the glass is half full.
The second half of this loss will be the turning point of the season, Porter will transfer to Brooks’ secondary and Liggins will cut our turnovers to an even dozen a game for the rest of the year, allowing Patterson and Meeks to dominate our weak opponents and compete with pride and dignity against our strong ones.
Go Cats.

by ukfastcat on Nov 19, 2008 12:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great questions and observations.

I just have no idea why we are seeing what we are seeing. Like you, I don’t see the glass half empty, I guess I just … well, I really can’t figure out what the heck is exactly in the glass.

I know all I will get is platitudes out of the coach, so I’m just going to have to groan here in the dark with the rest of the Big Blue Nation and hope it gets better. And there is reason for hope — I think.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 7:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Was I ?

critical of his post? I don’t think so. Just don’t think its dire right now.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 1:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Critical? In a word, "Yes"

TenKen,

I think the “emotions are getting the best of you” struck me as a little harsh.
IMHO, one of Tru’s strengths over other UK bloggers is that he wears his Blue heart on his sleeve.
You have every right to respond with your opinion, that’s what were here for as long as it doesn’t get personal or out of control (can you say Marc Maggard?).
Just coming to my man’s defense a little.
What is going on for Tru and myself (and I suspect a whole village full of the BBN) is the cumulative effect of the V team losses, then the really uncharacteristic start to this highly visible game where we get humiliated on the national stage.
For some of us, that defines dire straights.
I am glad you have a rosier view, and salute you for it.
Let’s all hope this is much ado about nothing when we are filling out our brackets in March with UK as a four seed.

by ukfastcat on Nov 19, 2008 1:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to Tru

Tru, if I seemed harsh I apologize. Didn’t mean to be. Just wanted to say that its to soon to be dire straights right now. You are by far the best blogger I have seen on Kentucky boards.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks ...

… and no offense taken at all. I want badly to be positive.

Hey, I will be with the ’Cats next weekend, and I will be cheering with the loudest of them. This team will get better, but I still have many concerns. Many.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's an analogy for y'all

Porter = Hartline
Liggins = Cobb

When push comes to shove, ya gotta go with the better innate athletic ability every time.
We can see that, the announcers could see it, but our coaches have decided to make us wait until THEY are literally forced to make the change.
Who knows how good DeAndre will be in his first season?
I hope I never regret saying this, but it is on most of our minds… how could Liggins possibly be worse than Porter who BCG told us would be so much better? Hey, Coach, WTF?
I have been a Porter Supporter, but he simply does not have SEC talent in this sport.
His hands have become like Shoeless Joe’s glove, a place balls go to die.
Go Medium Size BLUE.

by ukfastcat on Nov 19, 2008 1:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great Observeration - I hope you're right!

Cobb wasn’t ready at the beginning of the season, but certainly showed he could run the offense by the mid-season. I hope Liggins is the same!

by EEWildcat on Nov 19, 2008 1:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Liggins

Yeah, me too.
My point is, having seen Porter last year and this year to date and having seen Liggins, we need DeAndre right now ready or not. No way he is going to make more errors than poor Michael and he has significantly more upside. Should be easy for an experienced coach like ours. Who projects as a better PG? No doubt.
And, to be fair, Porter is a 2 playing out of position. From what we’ve seen of his shooting and ballhandling, I dare say he is not our go-to guy there, either. I feel for the young man.

by ukfastcat on Nov 19, 2008 1:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He may make ...

… as many errors, but his errors are generally trying to do to much, not just keep his head above water. That’s what I see with Porter, a kid who looks to be completely overmatched and almost unable to bring the ball up the court successfully, never mind get into the offense.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 7:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Analogy

I think ,Porter = Saul Smith , is closer to the truth.

by TrueBlue92 on Nov 19, 2008 1:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Analogy redux

Well, if we really wanna go there… Porter=Dusty Mills, too I guess. LOL. Poor guy. Tubby convinced him he could play in the SEC. No way he would be playing for VMI and he is starting against the #1 team in the nation in their arena. Wow. We still have a long way back to Bannerville. Don’t worry, I heard Patterson is on the cell to his old bud, Mini Me Lucas.

by ukfastcat on Nov 19, 2008 2:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Saul

He was a solid back-up PG for 2 years and a decent starting PG for 2 years. His teams won NCAA title, 3 SEC titles, and 3 SECT championships. His teams were 110-33 over 4 years. He played 2 years in NBDL.

Porter will do none of those things.

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 19, 2008 6:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Smith was frankly much better than Porter in every respect.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 7:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish he were as good as Smith.

Saul was an outstanding defender, which Porter is not. He also was a pretty good ball distributor, which Porter is not.

Smith just wasn’t a very good shooter, but athletically, and in almost every other way, he was lightyears ahead of Porter.

by Ken Howlett on Nov 19, 2008 8:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

I never thought I’d see the day we were starting a worse point guard than Saul Smith.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 9:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Last year

Porter showed some good defense but not on the point. He is not a true point. He needs to go to number two guard that is where is shines.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Porter

should only get in the game for small spurts to rest Liggins. Liggins is a freshman, everyone knows that, but he needs to start NOW. This team will get better, I just didn’t think they would be this bad right now.

That's what she said.

by adaircam4 on Nov 19, 2008 2:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Scapegoat.

I whole heartedly agree that Porter is not an SEC level point guard, But the whole blame cannot be placed on his shoulders. This TEAM is a mess. (right now). I do believe that given time and minutes, that our freshmen will come through for us. But Billy has got to let them mature, and stop wasting minutes on Porter.

by jager15 on Nov 19, 2008 5:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Porter ...

… is certainly good enough to play, but not as the starting point guard. Maybe as the backup, or as a 2-guard. But he simply doesn’t have the kind of confident ballhandling ability you need in a point guard at this level.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 7:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Porter is not helping matters … at all, but he is far from lonely in that respect.

by Ken Howlett on Nov 19, 2008 8:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

December 1975 And 2000

Both months saw UK start 0-2.

March 1976 saw UK win its first NIT in 30 years with a roster that was “skimpy” by UK standards.

March 2001 saw UK make Sweet 16 as SEC and SECT champions plus #2 seed.

Negativity gets us nowhere.

The chance to get better is now here.

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 19, 2008 6:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes ...

… one thing we can say about this year’s team is that the opportunity for improvement is quite profound.

:-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 7:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed Forty, negativity gets us nowhere!

A lot of negativie statements have been said about personnel at the point guard position, but:

  • WE ARE NOT PLAYING AS A TEAM. WE HAVE TO LEARN TO TALK TO EACH OTHER!
  • IMO, it is not one person’s responsibility to bring the ball up the court.. Most of our turnovers are happening in this part of the game when the ball handler is double or triple teamed and everyone else runs down the court leaving the ball handler alone.
  • The amount of turnovers must become a TEAM concern. We had a higher shooting percentage than UNC, but because of the turnovers, they took 25 more shots..
  • I thought the problem would be our offense, but to me it seems fine. It is the working TOGETHER as a defensive unit that is hurting this team. Although, I keep looking for someone else other than Jodie to consistently make the three point shot.

There are positives:

  • a nice number of blocks (10)
  • a good free throw shooting percentage (78.9)
  • good number of defensive rebounds (29) (actually outrebounded UNC overall 37-35)

I still believe that BCG must adapt his coaching style to this team rather than make them always conform to his style. He needs to search his walk-ons and be sure he does not have a “diamond in the rough” to use as a back up PG. He has to use Liggins more( 30+ min.) and see what happens. He has to get the team to see it as their responsibility to help out the PG everytime the ball is taken out of bounds. If their names are not Patterson or Meeks, they must feel free to assert themselves offensively.

Finally, though more talented than last year, this team is less experienced and it is showing. Miller, Liggins, Galloway, Williams and Harrellson were not here last year. Most of the players seem to be a year off from making major contributions. This is the year they will get that experience, learn and become better or play the blame game and lose their confidence. We will see.

Success will come this year through playing together, not racking up individual stats.

by Blueobsessed on Nov 19, 2008 8:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great comment.

That is all.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 8:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Blueobsessed.......

There were positives, and they balanced out the negatives in the 2nd half.
If we managed to get the ball across the mid-court stripe without turning it over, UNC still extended their half court defense. We were trying to start the half court sets 10-15’ farther from the basket than we should have. When we were able to settle the offense at 22’, we were able to set up, and run plays. Against VMI, we didn’t try to set up much at all, much like the 1st half last night.
I was very disappointed with Duke Boy’s half time comments, as mentioned above. He usually makes intelligent comments, but he went for the cheap laugh instead.
Another thing that burned me up was Dan “I’d sell my left marble for Dick Vitale” Shulman’s comment that an intentional foul had been called on Harris, when Zeller went out. I was already pretty stoked up by then, but I really lost it. AND, there was less contact on that play, than when they allowed Meeks’ shot in the first half to be blocked with full body contact. The Tar Heel fans acted like Harris had just elbowed Hansbrough in the face!

by racercat98 on Nov 19, 2008 8:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

However, the main point here, and I certainly have serious doubts, is the ability of BCG to adapt to “his talent”. There just seems to be a level of arrogance in the man that to me, seems totally unjustified, based on his coaching resume. Can he adjust or does the team “rise” to mediocrity using his system, whatever that is, and nothing else. Pride and arrogance my friends. Taken in small doses is a requirement for greatness but being consumed with it is the pathway to failure.

Since we have so many metaphors going in this session: if Kentucky is the Roman Empire of college basketball, then we need an Augustus to lead us against the barbarians, not a Nero!

by Bluegilla on Nov 19, 2008 8:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My doubts with Billy G

Great recruiter……but is stubborn to a fault. His outright refusal to make in-game adjustments does not make any sense to me.

by btcoop71 on Nov 19, 2008 8:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

These are becoming my concerns as well

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points. know it's difficult to for most fans to see right now, but ...

… this team is going to be good. It’s just going to take some time.

I know most UK fans are tired of being told to be patient, but that is what is called for, in my opinion.

by Ken Howlett on Nov 19, 2008 8:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Write a book

Forty …………..you need to write a book about Kentucky basketball history.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Others Have Already Done So

I recommend the Russell Rice authored book(s) in particular.

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 19, 2008 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tru, here's some "grass is greener (or bluer) on your own side" for you:

Blogging your team may be painful right now, but at least you haven’t been this guy.

;-)

by Hooper on Nov 19, 2008 8:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Perspective

Folks:

I was like most of you once. I grew up in Lexington (60’s and 70’s) and graduated from UK in the early 80’s. During these “formative” years of my life, I lived and died over UK basketball. When the team lost, I went into an absolute funk , and when it lost a really big game, I (and the rest of the Big Blue Nation) declared a “state of emergency” and could barely function for several days. Then, I moved away and, after living in a different state for the last 22 years, slowly began to view Kentucky basketball as—dare I say—more of a form of entertainment (as opposed to a deeply religious experience.) Now, don’t fault or criticize me for this transformation. In those 22 years, I also got married and had two children. Therefore, although I remained a passionate fan of Kentucky basketball, I nevertheless aquired some useful perspective over the last two decades that, in recent years, has served me well. With this perspective, I was able to approach and watch last night’s game, for the most part, without going into anabolic shock. Sure, I might have experienced a few minor episodes of higher than normal blood pressure whenever Porter threw a pass to an area where no Kentucky players were standing. However, for the most part, I viewed last night’s game for what it was…a game between a team playing at home, with a roster stocked full of NBA-caliber players and bearing the nation’s number one ranking, versus a team that lost its entire backcourt (and most of its scoring) from last year, was unranked, playing its first road game, and coming off of a loss to unranked VMI. When viewed from this perspective, one can objectively say that last night’s outcome was no surprise, and instead of burying Ceasare (i.e. Billy G), perhaps we should all lower our expectations a bit and instead—heaven forbid—view this season as yet another rebuilding year. Maybe then, we will all sleep better and, as we did at the end of last year, feel good about the effort our overmatched Boys in Blue are giving for both the Coach and us—the loyal fans.

That’s all I’m saying… .

by tooblue on Nov 19, 2008 8:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Coming from you, Mr. Howlett, I view that as especially high praise.

by tooblue on Nov 19, 2008 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that, but ...

… reading a post such as yours, which is so articulate and clear, may ‘bring back to earth’ some of the fans who are currently circling the earth powered by their anger and frustration.

And I am flattered by your comment.

by Ken Howlett on Nov 19, 2008 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanx, MOM...!!!!

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 8:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mom?

Perhaps I should have said that “I got married and my wife had two children.”

by tooblue on Nov 19, 2008 9:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bah

I’ll leave the patience for rebuilding for my Reds and Bengals. Not in the mood to transfer that patience to UK basketball. (Not saying anything in your post is incorrect, just saying I reserve the right to be not happy about it.)

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Nov 19, 2008 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

very

good post. Having children in sports right now has helped me with perspective. Actually being a coach does too. I coach my child’s team and I know the frustration of teaching and teaching what you are supposed to do only to have them fall apart game time. Then the parents blame you and get mad. Not that its bad for them to get upset but sometimes they need to look at the players not necessarily at me.

I did turn the tv off for a few minutes last night though. Disgusting ball handling. I just don’t think Billy G is responsible for that. I watched his games in the tourney at A&M and I don’t remember turnovers being an issue. So I think its more of we have played two very good defensive teams who caused the turnovers but also I liked how our defense stepped up 2nd half. You take away the first 10 minutes of that game and we would have made it close.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I watched ...

… every excruciating second. I confess, I didn’t watch the post mortem. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

that is why I was as upset as you were. I didn’t see ALL the carnage you saw :)

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

meant

to say wasn’t as upset.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I gotcha.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Could be, could be. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Billy G

Phil Jackson oftentimes refuses to make in game adjustments or call timeouts. He expects his players to play through it and figure it out. I am not defending Billy G’s coaching but I am throwing that little thought out there for all those who are griping.

IMO our team’s problem is simply decision making. The defense looks like it’s improving and the offense in the second half looked a little better but jeez if we dont have some of the least thinking players I have ever seen. To me the turnovers are the sole reason we arent in this game. Some of the things these guys do with the ball are just plain stupid. I contribute a lot of it to our woes at point guard. Porter just doesnt have the ability and Liggins is still learning the game. I am most disapointed in our returning players however who imo have not helped these two out by coming to meet the ball. To me it all comes down to decision making. I think we have the personnel to have a good season we just need smarter play and I expect to see that as the season progresses.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Nov 19, 2008 9:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

And poor decision making is at times a function of the youth you write about.

Your last sentence is right on target, in my opinion, and I expect to see improvement sooner, rather than later. And it may be possible that we saw at least a speck of improvement in the second half last night. We’ll find out Saturday.

by Ken Howlett on Nov 19, 2008 9:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

However. . .

Excuse me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Phil Jackson coach pros? What we have is a bunch of young kids who don’t seem to know the questions, when it comes to turning the ball over, let alone the answers! How in the world are they going to figure it out. I totally agree that, at least so far, this team has the lowest b-ball IQ in many, many years. Hell, give me Pelhprey, Farmer and that bunch over this edition anyday. And I guarantee you that they didn’t have anywhere near the athletic ability on this roster!!!!!

by Bluegilla on Nov 19, 2008 9:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Subliminal man says:

Congratulations the Tar-heels (assholes) for playing a tremendous game (refs). My hat goes off the their head coach Roy Williams (metro) and those hard nosed UNC players (NBA) for playing their tails off (jogging). And how about those UNC fans (rednecks) letting Ashley Judd (hooker) sit with them. It was fun (excruciating) watching the ESPN crew (transvestites) laugh and laugh at Kentucky (mid-major). Heck even Billy G. (poser) did a great job with these young (un-coached) players, and how about the effort of Meeks (rifleman) and Porter (Forest Gump). I can’t say enough about Galloway (invisible). All in all, I had a great (nails in my eye) time watching Dick Vitale (cross dresser) and I feel really good (hangover) this morning!

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 9:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Suck

We are the suck right now.

Folks who’ve been here long enough know I’m about as eternally optimistic as they get, but I can’t deal very long with getting embarrassed repeatedly.

It’s early, sure. And it was the number one team in the land.

But there comes a time when you stop saying “well, it’s this…or it’s that” and start to expect that, at the very least, folks on the court seem prepared to play the game. You get beat, you get beat. That’s basketball. But must we open every game as if we never even saw the other team on tape?

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by JL Blue on Nov 19, 2008 9:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Look at it this way...

If the All-World Kentucky team with Mercer, Anderson, Delk, et. al. played a home game against an unranked North Carolina team with no backcourt that was coming off of a loss to VMI, would you feel good about winning by only 19 points?

by tooblue on Nov 19, 2008 9:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, are you saying that UNC feels worse then we do right now..??

They were missing two starters and still toyed with us…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 9:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of... .

I have a good friend who graduated from UNC and he thinks UK played them pretty tough.

by tooblue on Nov 19, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2nd rate recruting

It has become abundently clear that we have fallen behind in the race for blue chip players. When UNC’s second string can beat us, theres a problem. Kansas and UCLA have gotten there recruting on track why cant we. This team will win some games and bring some joy but last night was a stinging reality that we have become a second class opponent.

by bigbluefan on Nov 19, 2008 10:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Vitale pointed out before the game

How many future NBA players do you see on UK’s roster? Patterson. Maybe Meeks.

The cupboard is awfully bare.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone notice?

How Bobby Knight was the one who was not panicking for UK last night. He was actually taking up for us somewhat. I think he realizes its the second game. Lots of time for adjustments. I think alot of this stems from we are just ready to return to dominance again. We have run out of patience…….we had to put up with subpar with Tubby for a couple of years and then last year with BG and now we are just tired of waiting. We are not used to this.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Its been three years since we had a team that actually competed at the national level. And I can honestly say its probably been 5 years or more since I last felt like I expected to win in situations like last night.

That’s not what we’re accustomed to at UK.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed....

He also said, “now if this is happening in game #10, then you have some issues” so, we’ll see….

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Bobby Knight Show!

Not only did I notice, I could’nt help but start to imagine The Bobby Knight Show here in the bluegrass! HA! I can see it now, Coach Knight throwing chairs across Rupp.

I have no dought that the fundementals of the game would be further along than this team seems to be.

by bigbluefan on Nov 19, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why

but this whole idea popped in my head when I ready this. Do you think that fundamentals are being lost in trying to play a fast paced game like the pros do?

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Establish a rotation

Gillispie needs to get some guys in there and start playing them with some consistency. It was cute last year, but this year needs to get settled in quickly.

Starting Guards
Liggins
Meeks

Porter should come off the bench at the two. With occaisional emergency use at the point. He was the second leading percentage shooter from 3 point range last year. He can’t be worse than Cameron Mills in that role, can he?

We should not have situations where both Liggins and Meeks are out of the game.

Starting Forwards
Harris
Patterson
Stevenson

Miller should be the first off the bench to provide relief to Harris and also potentially at the two guard for Meeks. Harrelson should come in to give different looks and allow Patterson and Perry to rest briefly. If AJ Stewart can get out of the doghouse, he can provide some extra minutes as well.

I’m not entirely sure what to do with the other 13 guys on the team. Why did Gillispie even bother bringing Galloway on board? If he’s not better than Porter and Liggins, that’s frightening that my tax dollars are paying for him to get an education at UK. I have similar thoughts on Donald Williams, but understand that he’s behind Meeks, Miller, and Harris for his natural positions.

I still love Gillispie’s attitude and think he’s a natural fit for the UK coaching position, but I am more frustrated than I can express that I’m having the same thoughts about him in November of 2008 that I had in December of 2007.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 10:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

sad but truzenz

Patterson was getting dunked on by freshmen and meeks played like he was on somekind of methamphetamine

I’m going to say no uperclassmen on this team will ever make it in the nba

by bigbluefan on Nov 19, 2008 10:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

agree

realy couldn’t agree more chirop1. Especially about the dec.07 to nov.08.

Unless in transition patterson should touch the ball everytime down the floor. we have to work inside out. And people have to move to the ball!!!!!!!!!! How many times last night did somebody get trapped and everybody just stand there. Alot of standing in halfcourt offense.

by bigbluefan on Nov 19, 2008 10:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

After re-watching the game this morning...

It did not look like Patterson was working hard to get open on every play…. I think there is something seriously wrong with the big man… He took possessions off, especially in the 2nd half… Anyone else see this..???

Patterson still hurt folks….

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 10:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Patrick...

did look like he backed off from time to time. I first noticed it on the offensive glass. Shots went up, and he just sagged away, like he didn’t want to get involved. I never saw him do this last year. Something is wrong.

by racercat98 on Nov 19, 2008 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree 100%

I forgot to post that this morning, but that was the main thought I had in my head last night while watching the game. Last year, every possession impressed me because even though he was being ignored by Bradley and Crawford, he would constantly post and repost his man and call for the ball. In some ways, I felt like I was watching Randolph Morris last night at times.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

true but OUCH!

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re-Watching

Now thats punishment right there!

by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 19, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I thought that too. I’m doing my best to pretend the game never happened… and he rewatches it!!!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hey, if Billy's not gonna;' try to find the problem

… I will…!!! lol

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by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Could it be. . .

have no idea what might be going thru PP’s mind but could it be that they work every day in practice on getting him the ball & then here comes the game, he works his butt off to get open on early possessions and he never gets a touch! Wouldn’t any of us get frustrated when we work that hard & don’t get the ball!
JMHO.

by Bluegilla on Nov 19, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would doubt that.....

because he never gave up last year, game after game. It’s possible though. I’d really hate to think that.

by racercat98 on Nov 19, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Turnovers

Half the turnovers had less to do with UNC’s defense (though it was obviously a factor) and more to do with guys not coming to help the man with the ball once he picked up the dribble. Time and again Porter and Liggins would pick up their dribble near the sideline and NOBODY would come to them to give them an avenue to pass. There were also problems with guys picking up their dribble WAY to early. These should be easy to correct, although they really shouldn’t be happening at all at this point.

davw83 mentioned above that he thought the biggest problem was decision making and I whole heartily agree with him.

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by JLeverenz on Nov 19, 2008 10:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Why in God’s name do we continually turn our backs on the guy with the ball, leaving him out there on an island? The biggest problem this team has, and what is leading to most of the turnovers, is that the guys are concentrating so hard on what they are supposed to be doing that they don’t see the whole floor. They lose sight of the ball (which a player should never do) and run around trying to do things without having the big picture.

In basketball, you must always have the big picture, both on offense and defense. Every player, not just the point guard. Watch the ball and make your cuts, but never lose sight of the basketball. When a player is in trouble, help him, don’t run away from him.

This is so bloody fundamental. At 51, I promise you I could have done a better job than some of our team out there last night. Has Gillispie forgotten to teach these guys to keep their eyes on the ball, or have they just been so overwhelmed that they have forgotten?

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Liggins?

Good grief….it’s not just the game ending stats…we need to take a look at when they were posted… Was it ‘garbage time’? By the time Liggins made his mark the game was OVER.

by HozeKing on Nov 19, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's ...

… just not true. He played very well in the second half, and the game was (or rather, should have been) in doubt until about the last five minutes. The problem was that we didn’t get good shots and we had a few defensive breakdowns that let UNC stop our runs with open threes.

Liggins played very well under the circumstances in the second half, and is one of the few encouraging things to take away from this game. Kentucky never gave up, and I don’t believe UNC was taking plays off, we were just playing some solid basketball in the second half. Not good enough, by any means, but if we had played as well in the first half as we did in the second, I think the game would have been way different.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont agree with that.

If the game had continued as it was in the first five minutes that game would have made the whoopin’ Vandy put on us last year seem close.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 19, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

all I'm saying is

UNC turned it on and off whenever they needed too… The game was never, ever in doubt…
 You agree..?

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...

…with the right perspective, Liggin’s stats were inflated…be very careful.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Nov 19, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who the HELL you talking too..?

You be careful…. good googly goo

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by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His stats ...

… were not inflated. I watched the game, and I know what happened.

I think too many of people allowed frustration to overwhelm their reason.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not true at all.

You give them more credit than they deserve, way more.

Nobody is that good. We may not have given them a reason to worry, but nobody deliberately lets an opponent hang around within 13 points. If they did, they are way too stupid to be considered a contender for the national championship.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's right...

UNC didn’t start to play conservatively until the last 5 minutes. Roy is not that stupid.

by racercat98 on Nov 19, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that being said...

do you honestly think that the UNC players ever thought they were in a game..?? Seriously…?

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes....

But did they constantly feel threatened? Not often, because when we would close a little, we would either turn the ball over again, miss a shot, or miss a defensive assignment, and they would score again.

by racercat98 on Nov 19, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough...

We need to start the game quicker to prevent this in the future…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's just wrong.

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, I just lost it for a sec...

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by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

(drags into room)

Well, I feel like crap today……. Didnt make it to work till around 10:00.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 19, 2008 10:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm shocked! Shocked!

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Nov 19, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know, right???

That was a rough one. Tough tough loss……

by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 19, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

7:00 for me, which is an hour later than normal ...

… but then, I was up until 12:30 writing stuff.

Old guys never sleep. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When you drown your sorrows in copious amounts of alcohol...

That does tend to happen. LOL

Hope you recover well and the rest of the folks at school don’t make it too rough on you today!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Drown I did!

People are taking it pretty easy on me so far today – mostly seems like they just feel bad for me. The pain is still fresh so I would say by the end of the day or tomorrow they will figure I have had enough time and go for the jugular!

by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 19, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The husband of my front desk employee...

Is not a UK fan and likes to rub it in pretty good when the Cats lose.

Maybe I should just fire her now before he has a chance to stop in this afternoon? That’ll teach ‘im don’t ya think?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Ah, let ’em have their fun. What goes around …

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crack his back in half

you guys know how to do that right? Ninja style would be killer.

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Nov 19, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HA

Half my company is out. Because they were at my house “poop” faced too late.

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Nov 19, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

stole this info off kentucky.com... sad stuff

Meeks-6 T/O’s and 1 assist
Harris-6 T/O’s and 1 assist
Miller-5 T/O’s and no assist
Liggins-4 T/O’s and 7 assist
Porter-4 T/O’s and 4 assist
Stevenson-2 T/O’s and no assist
Harrelson-1 T/O and no assist

by StillCatwoman on Nov 19, 2008 11:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

well, it's coaching... not having your team prepared to play...

all that crap… and yes, it is very sad…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just an observation

Meeks-6 T/O’s and 1 assist
Harris-6 T/O’s and 1 assist
Miller-5 T/O’s and no assist
Liggins-4 T/O’s and 7 assist
Porter-4 T/O’s and 4 assist
Stevenson-2 T/O’s and no assist
Harrelson-1 T/O and no assist

Liggins gets an assist every 2.5 minutes played
Porter gets an assist every 5.5 minutes played

think how fast we can start the game with Liggins in and not porter…

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 11:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Unrealistic Expectations

As fans and supporters of the program, we need to first step back and take an unbiased view of the recruiting. If we do that, we should all admit it has been WEAK at best. We actually get all worked up when we bring on JUCO players….

After that, look at the coaching and how the team responds from the get-go. Has the team executed against the competition (no, obviously)? What does that say about the pregame preparation? Is it there or has the team sold out on Billy already?

We have got issues that need to be addressed now for this season, but it looks like it is a longer term problem…whew.

by HozeKing on Nov 19, 2008 11:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ok there

were some halftime adjustments……..How many turnovers in the first half? How many in the second?
How many points in the first and how many in the second. How many TO’s did we force in the second half versus the first. Bottom line…………..you don’t beat the number one team in the nation by playing one half.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perplexed, but Hopeful

Both VMI & UNC jumped to big early leads on us by aggressively attacking our ball handlers and jumping into the passing lanes. In both games, no player reacted well. The guards picked up the ball too quickly or at the wrong spot on the court and nobody came to help them. When we tried to go back door, the passes were off target. We don’t seem to have anybody who can dribble the ball up the court against good defensive pressure. On the other hand, opposing players dribbled by us seemingly at will.

In the first exhibition game, I thought our players demonstrated that they knew what to do on offense. Their spacing was good, they passed well, they appeared to be executing an offense. But, now, they are not responding well to quick attacking defenses. Which means we will see more attacks on our guards.

Fortunately, we should be able to correct some of our mistakes in our next two games. Then Kansas State will give us another test. I think we will play better, but I don’t see a strong floor leader developing very quickly at this point. God, how we miss Jasper.

by Fortunatus on Nov 19, 2008 11:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ashley Judd

Was she even at the game?

by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 19, 2008 11:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, yeah ...

… you mean you didn’t see here there amidst the Carolina faithful, obviously unhappy but decked out in proper Blue and White?

I forgive her this heinous transgression in the name of the obvious ethical virtue of keeping her word. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just hoping

that it isn’t the reason why Obama won North Carolina.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

anyone else notice

that the ASOB default aviator pic, looks a lot like Obama.. ..???

I mean, it’s dead on him…. lol

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Nov 19, 2008 12:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

LOL

We need some “change you can believe in”

by bigbluefan on Nov 19, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU

I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed the generic avatar looks just like Obama. I noticed it right away after the change of the blog to this new format, and wondered why no one mentioned it because I thought it was really obvious. I was starting to think I was just crazy and it didn’t look like him at all since no one else brought it up…I didn’t bring it up because they’re quite zealous about the no-hint-of-political-speach thing and I didn’t want to have to go sit in the corner and think about what I’d done or anything : )

by blue kentucky girl on Nov 19, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's ...

… leave the election for the poliblogs. We have more important things to discuss. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 19, 2008 12:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

sorry

meant for that to be a funny. Not meant to start a discussion :)

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Came in late......

thinking about leaving early

by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 19, 2008 12:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I blame the unis...

Those “shorts” are way too long. I sure hope this is not a precursor of what’s to come — it’s a bad look!

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by Gatorpilot on Nov 19, 2008 12:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We won them in an on-line poker game.

SORRY!!!!!! :-)

It was hanging there to smack down. You know me, I had to go get it.

You are correct. I saw pictures of my mom playing “Girls” basketball in high school in the 50’s and our shorts are almost as long as their skirts.

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Nov 19, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

THAT was funny

And GP can take it. We love you GP (till February 10, anyway!) :)

by Acdixon on Nov 19, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah the shorts are brutal

Way too long. That’s how they like them, though!

by EEWildcat on Nov 19, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Best way for Porter to help UK

Grab a helmet and plug a hole on our leaking D before next Saturday.

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Nov 19, 2008 12:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This team will improve dramatically over the next few weeks! Remember, you heard it here first!!

by oldkentucky on Nov 19, 2008 12:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I have a question concerning BCG......

SOOOO many of his colleagues, well all who know him for that matter, come to his defense when the subject is coaching ability…is this because its true, or out of sheer respect in the business??

by teambeam on Nov 19, 2008 12:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Because He IS A Good, Young Coach

He’s NOT Pitino (yet) or even Tubby.

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 19, 2008 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair question.....

Can’t speak for the experts. As for myself, I don’t have too much reason to doubt him yet. He seemed to put the right guys on the floor at A&M. I think he will here too, if my head doesn’t explode first. I wasn’t paying much attention to UTEP at the time. I did see several of his games at A&M, because I watch quite a few Big 12 games.

by racercat98 on Nov 19, 2008 12:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's 1500 Miles On The Map From College Station To Lexington

And 15 Million light years in terms of basketball situations.

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 19, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mean to imply

that what’s good enough for A&M should be good enough for Kentucky. I’m not comparing the two. I’m saying that I will give him time to prove that he can be successful at UK too. It is a big step between the two. “Success at UK” has been defined many times here.

I may question his methods and pathway. I also wondered what another coach was thinking when we got off to a 3-7 start. But we managed to run off something in the neighborhood of 26 straight after that. I learned my lesson then.

by racercat98 on Nov 19, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just looked at VMI's record

this year and Virginia somehow figured out how to hold them down to 97 points! I stayed up last night and watched the UAB/Arizona game cause Lord help me I like Davis. UAB won in a weird end of the game. Also heard San Diego is doing well and expected to do well,. I bring this up to say that the gimmie games I think are over with pretty much. Heck I am even noticing the talent level in my kids age group (elementary) is extremely more talented then when I was in school. Talent levels are becoming more and more level with Division 1 schools.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 12:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What bothers me the most....

is that there are a large number of the BBN out there who somehow lose their perspective on the team when they lose. Have you ever heard someone talking about how “We won that game last night” and then a week later the same person says “They lost the game”. Where is the disconnect here? If “We” won the game, then “We” also lost the game. Don’t be a fairweather friend here. I really don’t think these players need someone else telling them how bad they played last night. I think BCG and staff will do plenty of that in the near future. I would like to see some encouragement and belief in our team. The belief I’m seeing in some parts of WWW world, but I don’t see much encouragement.

IF you are the one who says"We" win and “they” lost, you should be ashamed to call yourself a Wildcat fan.

GO BIG BLUE!! Long Live Coach G (so long as he wears KY blue)!!!

by bluebloodtoo on Nov 19, 2008 1:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No more jokes...

I do think we are seeing a group of kids frantically trying too hard. I think they understand “Kentucky” even if they were too young to have ever seen us REALLY in the national mix and in the F-4.

We are also seeing that our ranks were very depleted. BCG is not superman. He was faced with essentially a chicken or the egg questions and obviously, the majority of his energy has been directed to finding players.

What we are seeing is a small handful of guys who have been through a year with BCG. The rest are young and getting used to him and the play. Liggins, Miller, Josh and the rest experienced that dreaded “speed of the game” last night. I will still hang VMI on other worldly shooting just as many fell prey to ’90’s cats and the Bombinos. Out classed, over matched night in and night out and just drained 3’s. As much as I do not like an L to VMI in principle, using it as a fortune teller game is not wise. Last night is every bit reality however.

Yes, we will improve drastically. No BCG is not going anywhere for a while. Yes, BCG is taking a sword for a mess he did not create. The media, still stinging from “The Tubby….run off…no…firing…no….quitting….THING” are still at the ready to stick a knife in however and whenever possible. So, BCG, by just stepping into the mud does not have the “Elite Media” at his back to help us along and actually is in danger of out and out vilification. Hell, when Mat Doodooy sank UNC ESPN damn near held a telethon to take donations to help them buy Roy. Last night, Duckie V talked about how depleted we are in talent (after being the most critical of the “THING” and how dumb we were to even think about another coach) yet NEVER talked about BCG grabbing a top 10 class for next year. He called it “a good group coming in” but never the subtle yet VERY powerful statement to the nation that saying TOP 10 would have been. We did hear about UNC’s #1 class about 100 times.

Kentucky has a long hill to climb and going from stumbling on a loose rock at the Red River Gorge straight to Everest would only naturally yield failure. And it did last night. LAST NIGHT!

We WILL get better. BCG will get them playing better and together. If he sent the entire team out for ice cream while he kept P-Pat, Meeks and Liggins in the gym to dribble pass and shoot among the three of them, we would improve.

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Nov 19, 2008 1:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

#1 Recruiting Class (Or Close To It)

UK had #1 class (or close) in 1966, 1968, 1971 (definitely), 19789, 1979 (definitely), 1980, 1984 (definitely), 1988, 1992 (definitely), 1995, 1999, and 2004 (definitely).

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 19, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

But to kids who were 11 – 12 when we had the 2004 class come in and not much (NCAA) came of it, it is as ancient history as the rest of those classes that make, what we all here know as, KENTUCKY BASKETBALL.

I am viewing immediate present and future and not a person would throw us the bone of saying “TOP 10 Class” as the nation watched us look silly. The same non “every detail of UK and the coach change discussed at length” nation with little bits and pieces of the “Tubby gone” press in their heads now added in with “BCG abducting kids from elementary school yards and making them sign LOI’s at an illegal cheating bastard Big Blue Madness a week early as he hands out checks to dads to speak at camps” stories.

That is really my point. Unless you really care about a subject the only bits that settle in from out in the media are fragments and hearsay. Just as many millions believe we just had an election between a terrorist and a cute chick that shops too much and can’t name any continents. NEITHER were true. Those of us willing to research for ourselves and not let our opinions be made up from bits and pieces as they leak in know that.

That is why I have the career I do. I love the interplay between fact / press / public at large / interested public. This is why Rick Pitino is able to get passes on bad teams and games and gets 5 ranking points before any rankings are conducted. He owns the press and the positives it can bring and understands the ability to spin it when it looks bad. The Derek Character mess was a GREAT example of how slick Rick can bob and weave and keep the stink off of him.

Right now, the press wants BCG and UK to fail. Many customers (other fans) of the media products (ESPN, CBS, Internet) are enjoying reading the kicks to the balls we are taking. So, ratings go up, unique user hits go up and BAM – keep whipping up on BCG and UK. We feed this too. Bad story about UK – thousands of hits from us to read it – unique visits go way up and the banner ads made more money that day.

The only way to get around this is to blow right into it and start winning.

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Nov 19, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Advertising and the public

As I read your commentary on spin, I can’t help but think of the show Mad Men. If you’re in advertising and you havn’t watched it… pick up the first season on DVD and see if you can catch reruns of season 2 on AMC. Its the best show on TV right now.

Plus, Don Draper is pretty much “The Man.”

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know

I have the set and have never had time to stop and watch. EVERY friend I have tells me to watch it. I plan to over the Holidays.

I am decompressing from the election cycle that lasted like 50 years AND the economy bust has me hopping to spin for clients that are treading water and ready to jump and take me with them. (‘cause I’m the only one in the meetings getting paid to be there)

It all has me hanging on every word SAID and NOT said in statements from people and press. I was listening so close last night I missed some game. It was like watching a campaign speech with my pad out ready to tear it up because the candidate I like (UK) was getting beat up on the court and in the box.

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Nov 19, 2008 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You'll enjoy it

I’m in the middle of my second watch of it, I have the girlfriend hooked on it as well now.

Plus, there’s always “Don Draper’s Guide to Picking Up Women” from John Hamm’s SNL appearance a few weeks ago. ;-)

http://www.hulu.com/watch/40972/saturday-night-live-don-drapers-guide

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I love Mad Men!

Visually, it’s just to die for. Being a sucker for midcentury glamour (see my avatar!), all the women on the show, especially Joan, are some of my main style influences. (yeah, I live in rural Kentucky circa 2008 so sometimes I look mighty out of place in the full skirts and heels I wear all the time!)

I know this if way, way off topic, but on-topic discussion is just so depressing right now.

by blue kentucky girl on Nov 19, 2008 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

100% Agree

I was born in 1978, so I missed that era entirely… but I wear a suit to work everyday and I just wish I could pull off the trenchcoat and fedora look!

I always think it looks great to see old photos of places like Churchill Downs or Yankee Stadium and you can see that the entire crowd are in suit and tie with a hat on. I lament the loss of style in American culture.

Heck, I’m only 30… but I swear I’m the youngest person in church every Sunday in a suit.

And yes… I think any discussion that talks a few members of the BBN in off their ledges are definitely on-topic for today only.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my gosh,

exactly! This ultracasual, even slovenly way that so many people dress now makes me kinda depressed. I’m 31, so I’m right there with you on the generational thing—I’ve always thought I should have been born in the early part of the century when there was more of a kind of graceful formality. I rarely wear blue jeans or flat shoes outside my own home, so sartorially, I definitely don’t fit in with most other people my age!

Like you with your fedoras (oh, swoon, fedoras), I really wish I could get away with a hat and little gloves but I don’t want to get TOO far off the reservation : )

by blue kentucky girl on Nov 19, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually

Love the old look but for my business and how we are received in meetings made me take a pointed step to look pressed and clean but in casual “cool design guys” kinda way.

I found that so many design/branding/consulting firms all look the same in black suits and funky glasses that we come in an actually looking like the wingnut creatives that are different and don’t give a F%$&. Then our ideas and portfolio are looked at with more intent focus. Essentially breaking out of the noise. If the client hates the casual, I have found them to be uptight and clients that wear you out over a cheap ass little Web site and I don’t want their business.

So, I am putting in the first disc of the first season after I hit post.

I will report back :-)

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Nov 19, 2008 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

Digger and crew seemed to enjoy it a bit much but I did sense some frustration out of Dickie V’s voice. I think he was disgusted as we were.

by tenken on Nov 19, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It hurt

to see the exact thing you just said. DV WAS upset. He does not HATE us he just can’t get past his “unholy” fixation on ACC, UNC, Roy, Han(insert joke)sboro, Duke and K to ever seem remotely unbiased.

I really am looking at Forty’s stats and see where we need to get back to and the steps are being made as fast as BCG can fly home to home like a recruiting Santa. We have a Top 10 class next year and as we were looking so bad, to have just given the nation the hat tip of saying it would have helped.

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Nov 19, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Better days, they are ahead

After further contemplation, I really don’t think this team is that far away from being a Top 30 caliber squad.

Consider:

  • Stevenson played well, and played exceptionally well with 4 fouls for a long stretch of the game
  • Even at <100%, Patterson was clearly better than any of UNC’s guys inside. That post tandem of Patterson and Stevenson is already good and will get better as Patterson gets his groove back and Stevenson continues to improve.
  • Ramon Harris has picked up where he left off last year offensively and will get better

As I see it, there are really only three problems on the team, one major and 2 minor:

  • The major problem is obviously turnovers. I think this will get better as Liggins asserts himself as the primary guard. As noted earlier by several people, many of the turnovers are occuring due to poor decision making, not lack of ability. Decision making is much easier to fix.
  • One minor problem is identifying three point shooters, particularly on fast breaks. UK didn’t get out on Ellington hardly at all last night.
  • The other minor problem is Meeks. I think he’s just trying to make up for all the shots he didn’t get to take last year. Once Meeks settles down we’ll see a better offensive flow. It think his play in the first two games is mostly attributable to his performance in the exhibitions/scrimmage as well as everyone and their mother identifying him as one of UK’s primary scoring options. He’ll adjust to his new role in the offense soon enough.

Sprinkle in some development by Miller and some opportunities for other guys on the bench and I truly believe this could be a team that has a season comparable to the 2000-2001 season.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Nov 19, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stevenson can play...

he just gets the ball too far from the basket. He should not be asked to handle the ball behind the 3-pt line, ever. Get it to him around the free throw line and let he and Patterson work the high-low game.

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Nov 19, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I didn't get that at all

I couldn’t understand why Stevenson continually came out that far to get the ball. The only explanation I can think of is they were trying to run the high-low which is not a bad idea, but it never seemed like Stevenson looked into the post at all. In fact, it seemed like he would look everywhere except the post.

"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball

by JLeverenz on Nov 19, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can run the high-low just fine from the free throw line.

No reason from him to ever get the ball that far out.

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Nov 19, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meeks

He is UK’s only outside shooter (that actually makes his shots).

Liggins should start and Galloway should play (some).

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 19, 2008 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I would love to hear Gillispie (honestly) answer a question on why Galloway hasn’t seen the floor yet in either game where we were turning the ball over like it was a greased pig at the county fair. Didn’t he come to Lexington with a reputation for being a major assist man? Its time to see what he can do! He can’t be any more of a liability defensively than the rest of the team has been.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Nov 19, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is what people said about Carter last year

That he should play some. Then he would get in there and get totally destroyed on defense, and people would be like “ohhh, that’s why”. Galloway isn’t ready or BCG would be playing him. I think it is his offense/turnovers stopping Galloway, though.

by EEWildcat on Nov 19, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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