Lessons learned! Now what . . .
FACTS:
- We played hard and with superior resources; did not prevail.
- We are an athletic team, but not a quick team.
- We are going to turn the ball over 15-20 times every game this year.
- We do not have a good point guard and we are average at SF.
- We are undisciplined. We still don't stick with our man but rather go for the spectacular block or rebound or one-one move. Forty is right! To paraphrase him, it is better to win 61-60 than lose 111-103.
- We don't play like we understand our opponent's strengths and respect then for what they can do.
- We still have not decided upon our starting 8, as if that is a magic number, That must be important since everyone else uses only 8 players, It must be the correct way to coach. I don't know anything about it, but during the game,IMO we did not use all of our resources.
- A question is now arising as to the quickness, leaping ability and conditioning level of Patrick Patterson.
- Don't know, but maybe Coach G. was using this game for a "wake up call" since he made no radical coaching changes..
- Don't know but maybe a whole bunch of players are in the doghouse and not avaialable to play.
Now what . . .
- The team did not seem to be a team! They seemed caught by surprise at the amazing quicknes of VMI and undable to adjust. We have got to pull together. Part of the turnover problem was caused ecause players were not talking to each other Jodie's taking it to the hole also makes us a one dimensional offense and cuts down on our assists.
- The bench part of the team was underutilized.
- We must get mentality into each game before tip-off.
- Our man-to-man defense has to be turned up several notches and we have to have a larger rotation of players to keep that intensity on the court and fatique out of our game if we are ging to run. We were continually out of position trying to get the rebound and we left our man alone for the uncontested three. We reached and fouled rather than get in there face.
- We need not to play unsure, but rather to enjoy disciplined organized basketball. On offense, it is the LG's job to call one of 3-5 set plays everytime down the court. This is what has made KY great. Like Farmerand Pelfrey, we were not quick, but were successful because we played to our own talents and did not react to the opponentsstyle of play. Maybe our team is closer to that team in talent than we realize.
- We have to have more assits and hit our free throws to counter the turnovers we are going to commit.
- Ultimately, it is the job of the coach to help the team see where they are and help them get to where they need to be, but the game is played by the players!
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UK Had An Off Night
Still talented and deep (if they get to play).
One game, just 1 L.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 16, 2008 10:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think you make some fair points ...
… but there are a few things that we need to realize:
- This was only the third game of the season, and roles have yet to be clearly defined.
- An older, more experienced team will always stick to their game plan better than a young one.
- Understanding our opponents is the job of the coaches. They must then impart that knowledge to their charges.
- We were very undisciplined, just as you say. That needs to change, right soon.
- No way Gillispie was coaching this game in any other way than to win. No way.
- I really doubt there are many players in the doghouse. Gillisipie has done this before, and his rationale has been entirely consistent, “I played the players that I thought gave us the best chance to win.” He says that every time, and I believe him.
- Patrick Patterson is not 100%, and I have said so since the Blue-White game.
- Coach Gillispie is not known for wholesale substitutions. That was a Tubby Smith trait. As Forty correctly pointed out, he is trying to get down to an eight or nine player rotation.
- Our man-to-man defensive intensity was not the problem. The problem was the execution. Effort and intensity cannot make up for a failure to execute a defensive scheme. There is no level of intensity possible that can keep a five-out team from beating you off the dribble, so you must devise a scheme to deal with it. I described the scheme, and I have no doubt at all that it was pretty much what Coach had planned. It was just not executed at all.
- We never got into an offensive set until the second half, when VMI showed some zone. That was because Kentucky fell into VMI’s trap and let them turn it into a track meet.
I could go on and on, but the reality is that it was defensive execution more than anything else that is responsible for this loss. The second factor most responsible was a failure to even attempt a half-court offense and control the pace of the game.
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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 16, 2008 11:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tru I greatly respect your opinion, but am concerned.
- Why aren’t these things resolved by the first game of the year? Isn’t that what paractice is about? The team simply was not ready to play and the other team was. IMO, it was more than Forty says is just one loss. Unless things change, we will be saying that at the end of every game.
- We are beginning to grow out of that “young” category excuse. At what point do we, a team dominated by juniors and sophmores, start donning the title “experienced”?
- Somebody is beating VMI. How are they doing it?
- If we are having a lack of execution defensively, does that mean we will continue to see those players as the “top eight”? With such a depth of talent, IMO we needed to give others the chance to fail defensively against teams like VMI; even the walk-ons.
- If Coach was coaching the game to win, IMO he did not take advantage of all of his player resources.
- I agree something needed to be done to compensate for being beat off the dribble, Talking to each other would have helped.
- Why say in public that you are going to play some of the walk-ons and not play them?
- Our kids looked lost and incapable of comprehending what it took to win.
- The word is out, press KY, beat them off the dribble, hit your free throws and look for the open three.
- Very talented players are now going to small unheard of schools and really talented teams are developing under the radar. VMI was not one of those we knew they lead the nation in scoring. They had to be good.
- We can’t play the blame game. There is a great deal of work to do to bring this talented group of individuals together as a team. We need an enforcer, a leader, a smart player to play point. We are scoring a mess of points, but we need a great deal of hard nosed in your face defense.
by Blueobsessed on Nov 16, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
I can’t address all of them, but I will address a few:
- We have a large influx of young players, and both our stars missed significant portions of the schedule. Patterson is clearly not fully recovered, and Meeks still has some work to do within the system. We saw last year how long it took for the team to “get it,” and while I expect that to be reduced this year, it can’t be eliminated. Great teams have players that have been in the system from day one, and we still don’t have that yet. The learning curve this year is not as steep, but it is still there.
- We get there after players have three years in the system. It isn’t all about age, it’s about experience within a particular system. A lot of the teaching doesn’t come from coaches, but from watching experienced players properly execute.
- Criticizing substitution patterns is the oldest, most useless criticism in the book. Give it up, I did long ago.
- Great point about communication. It was clearly lacking.
- The “word is out” not just for UK, but for every smaller team versus a larger one. That’s always a good strategy for an undersized team.
- Leaders will emerge as a natural consequence of the season. The fact that we start the season with no clear leader is a disadvantage, but it isn’t a permanent condition. I will also point out that "hard-nosed, in-your-face defense was in part responsible for our defeat. It is not enough to try hard — you must also execute the strategy. That’s where the failure lies.
- This is just a meaningless bullet point, just for the sake of another bullet point. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 16, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So do you hear me suck in a deep enhale and let out a "cleansing" breath
Let it go… can’t change what happened and move on. Good luck CATS!!!
by Blueobsessed on Nov 16, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is This A Trend?
Are we going to get beat, at home, every year by a team that we have no business losing to? Are we going to have to try & adjust to making another teams’ year by allowing them to come into Rupp & coming away with a victory? I was very disappointed by BCGs lack of coaching in this latest setback. We played the whole game, the way we played the first 5 minutes – at VMI’s pace. Shouldn’t a supposedly superior team dictate the flow of the game? Has BCG EVER – EVER- EVER considered mixing up a little zone or different defense just to give the other team a iittle something different to think about?
Is This A Tend?
by Bluegilla on Nov 16, 2008 11:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it.
I think what we are seeing here was one of those things that sometimes happens, like insanely long winning streaks against traditional powers and other weirdness that crops up from time to time.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for Gillispie to play zone. He isn’t going to for any significant length of time. His teams don’t practice it, and you don’t play defenses you don’t practice.
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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 16, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is This A Trend
You’re probably right. I just kept waiting for some coaching adjustment that would swing the game towards us. After getting 21 down it took so much just to get back in the game it looked to me that we didn’t have anything left in the tank to put VMI away.
by Bluegilla on Nov 16, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
that these kids shot the living lights out of the ball, contested or not. Sometimes I just had to sit back and say “Are you getting me? Last time I saw that shot made was micheal jordan in the 90s” These kids, although ectremly talented, played outside their minds. Just go figure it was agaisnt us
by BleedinUKBlue on Nov 16, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
talented
yea i agree with forty, our team is too talented to have another season like last year
by hummer11092 on Nov 16, 2008 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Talented Teams Have Off Years
1987, for example. Or 1985. 1979.
The 2008 Cats were talented enough to W 25 games. Injuries in the second half and poor coaching in the first half of the season prevented that from happening.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 16, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not just a loss
I believe that I must disagree with FortyYearCatFan about this simply being just one loss. It is true that in the W/L column it will be looked at as an L only, but nationally it is looked at otherwise. First, the national media, never true friends to the blue and white, will forever bring this up and point to it as an indication of Kentucky being a fading basketball power (see the Gardner-Webb mentions last year as a preview). Second, this loss tells every other team on our schedule that should have considered themselves massive underdogs, that there is hope, VMI proved that. When it comes to athletic events, confidence and perspective can mean all the difference. Finally, this loss will actually have impact when it comes time to get a seed for the NCAA tourney. Bad losses are looked at, whenever they happen, regardless of what we want to believe. Losing at home to a team that will probably not make it out of the SoCon will hurt.
This was a bad loss, and it will be talked about much worse than if we were to lose a blowout to Carolina Tuesday.
by wklawdog on Nov 16, 2008 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wklawdog has it right. This game needed to be a confidence builder, instead
- we have questions about an “experienced upperclassman” PG ability to lead the team. Porter, himself says he is not comfortable in this position.
- we see Liggings is getting better, but is clearly, not ready for top competition. Leading this team is a lot to ask from a freshman.
- we need to revisit Galloway or one of our walk-ons? He is older and a great athlete. I just hope he is passing and working hard in practice or he will never get his chance.
- maybe the Meeks/Miller combo is still viable with Liggins as the back-up SF for this year.
- not only the fans, but the players have to be shaken. This is possibly the worst consequence of this loss.
When do we expect to hear about Pilgrim?.
by Blueobsessed on Nov 16, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pilgrim
We havn’t even heard from anyone that an application was made.
So I would expect to hear about Pilgrim sometime around October of 2009.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 17, 2008 8:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is my understanding that Coach has acknowledged the application is before the NCAA.
by Blueobsessed on Nov 17, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
I read that somewhere.
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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 17, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
full agreement
with the above post. We schedual these weaker teams for a reason, and that reason is not to lose. Very very bad.
by BleedinUKBlue on Nov 16, 2008 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's Just 1 L
I don’t care what the national media think, write, or say.
UK has suffered these kinds of L before. Somehow we survived.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 16, 2008 8:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not the point
I must, once again, disagree with 40Year. True we have lost in the past and survived. We are Kentucky. We are not supposed to survive, we are supposed to thrive. Heck, even Indiana won there first game.
by wklawdog on Nov 16, 2008 8:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Simply 1 Game
That’s just a fact.
Kentucky has lost its first game (or two) in seasons past.
Read up on UK history at Jon Scott website.
by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 17, 2008 7:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand ...
… what you are saying, and sympathize. It is frustrating for Kentucky to be the subject of headlines that describe it as “Once proud.” That ought to stick in the craw of every Wildcat fan, and I can see that it sticks in yours as well.
With all that said, I agree with Forty in that we have to move on. Great seasons have come from humble beginnings before, and we have to hope that the lessons learned from this game outweigh the damage done by it.
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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 17, 2008 7:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Love College Hoops
One of the reasons I love this game is that the underdog can beat ANYONE on a given night. Unfortunately, Friday was not the night I wanted the underdog to do well. The fact of the matter is that it only counts as one L on the record. Those who make it out to be more than that can argue that, but It’s not like an L in March that sends you home. These early season games are to learn and improve. Hopefully that can be done with some wins. All we need to do now is pull off a win in Chapel Hill on Tuesday, and a lot of people will forget VMI real quick.
by cthom on Nov 16, 2008 9:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If we go on to a Final Four...
…none of this will matter.
Not that I think we will, but it’s in the past, and the team needs to use it as a focal point for improvement. We’ll get better, but it won’t be as soon as any of us (fans, coaches, or team) would like.
by EEWildcat on Nov 16, 2008 9:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That ...
… first sentence is just soooooo true.
This game can become a rallying point, or a harbinger of things to come.
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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 16, 2008 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This game definately shows the need for speed. Can't wait for GJ Vilarino.
by Blueobsessed on Nov 17, 2008 7:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Yeah, the much-maligned first recruit. I think he will be a really good addition to our team, and is one of those “glue guys” who are so invaluable to team success.
His quickness and leaping ability won’t hurt, either. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Nov 17, 2008 7:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember
People saying Darius Miller was “blending into the background” and “would be a good four year guy, but not contribute immediately.” By my reckoning, he’s been the second most consistent player behind Meeks to this point. Here’s hoping for the same kind of showing from GJ next year.
by Acdixon on Nov 17, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just One Loss
I agree with the whole “just one loss” sentiment. I am the one right now assurinig others that “we will be just fine.” Its not the “letting go and moving on” part that gets me. Its not even hearing those that despise Kentucky basketball give me hell – I expect and am fully ready for that. (Doesnt help that when it comes to UK, I am a full fledged blue goggles wearing trash talking believer!!) No – what gets me is having to hear other UK fans get so down on our team. I mean, its one thing to be disappointed, but another to go into “all hope is lost” mode. So, today I come into work (a place with plenty of non-Kentucky fans) after leaving here on Friday predicting a win by “at least 25,” and I still say…… We will be just fine! GO CATS!!
by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 17, 2008 8:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's VERY hard to beat any team that shoots that well from 3.
I dont care what the talent to talent ratio is, when they hit that many 3’s and we only hit a few, we will not win the game. Unfortunately, this very reason is why i love college bball so much. Any team is able to beat any team. Just wish it would have happened to someone else!
by ashbergh on Nov 17, 2008 10:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Porter
If Billy G would simply not play porter that much we would be a much better team. the obvious plummet of skill that occurs when he is on the court is undeniable he is at best a 3rd string limited 2 guard, at worst a key player for the other team why does he continue to get the time on the floor i wonder? Is Billy Gs ego really that sensitive?
by onemordumazz on Nov 18, 2008 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gillispie
plays those that perform well at practice. Porter must be showing something there. However, I must admit that I am NOT a Porter fan at all and shudder a little inside each time I see him take the court – much less the start! I think maybe it may be time to consider that Porter can not carry over in game situations whatever it is that is showing so much promise in practice situations. Just a thought…
by kentuckygirl0724 on Nov 18, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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