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UK Basketball: The good vs. the bad from 2007-08

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Basketball is officially kicked off now everywhere in the nation, and it's time for us at A Sea of Blue to begin looking at the 2008-09 season in earnest.  In order to do that, we are going to start by taking a look at the good versus the bad from last year from a statistical perspective.  StatSheet.com, an awesome stats website, is my source for these numbers.

First, the good:

Statistic Value National Rnk Conf. Rank Comments Category
Blocks 149 47 4 This should improve even more with the additional size UK has coming in. Defense
Block Pct 8.7 33 4
Blocks Per Game 4.8 35 4
3-pt Field Goal Pct 36.9 91 2 You have to worry about a big drop in 3-point FG shooting. Overall, FG shooting should be pretty good Shooting
Effective Field Goal Pct 52.7 59 3
Field Goal Pct 46.9 40 2
True Shooting Pct 56.7 41 3
Free Throw Rate 41.1 48 1 With Bradley and Crawford gone, I expect this stat to suffer some. How much will depend upon the newcomers. Free Throws
Free Throw Point Pct 22.2 62 1
Free Throw Pct 73.3 51 3

Kentucky was a pretty decent 3-point shooting team last year with Crawford and Bradley making the shots.  That figures to suffer a bit this year, but maybe not as much as some originally thought.  Word is that Liggins is more competent from the perimeter than first thought, and Meeks and Porter should both be able to shoot respectable percentages.  I have heard that Galloway isn't a reliable 3-point shooter, but that Ramon Harris has greatly improved his range.  Of course, you have to treat all this with a grain of salt -- kind of like the whole "summer basketball" reports we always get that so often turn out to be hyperbole.

Field goal percentage from 2 ought to be about the same, or maybe even better due to the addition of bigger people and a strong motivation to go inside to Patterson, Stevenson and Harrellson.

Another thing that may decline somewhat from last year is free throw shooting.  Bradley and Crawford were both very reliable from the line, and we lose them.  Patterson, Stevenson, Meeks and Porter are all reliable free-throwers, but the newcomer's skill is yet to be determined.  We may not drop badly, but I do expect us to go down playing a deeper rotation with younger guys.

Blocks, I expect, will go up, and that is a very good thing.  Stevenson and Patterson will of course lead the charge, but Galloway and Liggins are both tall for their positions, long and athletic.

Now, for the bad, and unfortunately, it is a much longer list:

Statistic Value National Rnk Conf. Rank Comments Category
Assist to Turnover 0.8 227 10 Turnovers vs. assists have been an increasing problem since 2005. Better ballhandlers should help. Assists and Turnovers
Assists Per Game 12.7 202 10
Assists 395 212 11
Turnovers Per Game 15.8 72 1
Turnover Pct 23.7 43 1
Fouls Per Game 18.8 149 2 I expect this to stay about the same. Aggressive defense creates fouls. Fouls
Disqualifications 18 60 1
Total Rebounds Per Game 35.7 252 11 We desperately need to improve in this statistical category, and our increased size, depth and athleticism should help a great deal. I expect us to be a top team in rebounding this year. Rebounding
Total Rebounds 1107 248 11
Offensive Rebounds 301 281 12
Team Rebounds 69 325 12
Offensive Rebounds Per Game 9.7 281 12
Team Rebounds Per Game 2.2 327 12
Defensive Rebounds 737 166 10
Rebound Pct 49.5 207 9
Field Goals Made 735 205 12 Hopefully, these stats will improve with an increased tempo. I am concerned about our three point percentage given our relative lack of outside shooting and new 3-point distance. Scoring
Efficiency 103 150 10
Field Goal Attempts 1566 293 12
Points Per Possessions 1 117 9
Field Goal Point Pct 52 147 9
3-pt Field Goal Attempts 493 294 12
Floor Pct 50.3 197 11
Points Per Game 68.5 180 11
3-pt Field Goal Point Pct 25.7 248 11
3-pt Field Goals Made 182 246 12
Points 2124 195 12
Steals 206 184 10 Better athleticism should help. Defense

The good news about the bad news (does that make sense?) -- I expect us to dramatically improve in two major areas right off the bat -- rebounding and turnovers.  We get much bigger everywhere, which means rebounds ought to come much easier.  We bring in much better ballhandlers than we lose, and I expect that will improve our turnovers and assist/turnover quite a bit.  I sure hope so -- I am tired of seeing UK stink in those statistical areas.

Almost all Kentucky fans would grind their teeth to dust this year if we play the kind of deliberate, slow-down run-out-the-clock basketball we played last year with this new team.  The good news on that front is, I don't expect we will.  We have many people capable of running the floor and getting into early offense this year, and I expect to see much more of that.

I think our 3-point attempts may actually go down from last year due to the longer line and relative lack of great shooting, but then again, a higher tempo might produce at least as many attempts and maybe more, overall.  I'm not really sure.  What I do know is that we don't have a ton of reliable 3-point shooters on this year's team, at least not that I know of right now.  But off-season improvements are hard to figure at the moment, so we may be much better off than I imagine.

I do expect our assists to go up, partly as a result of the higher tempo and partly due to better ballhandling and passing.  We have several really good passers on this team including Patterson, Liggins, Galloway and Porter, and that should really manifest itself in a better A/T ratio and more assists.

Finally, there are steals.  We need to improve this stat, and there isn't any reason why we shouldn't with the number of long, tall athletes we have this year.  Galloway looks like a guy who could lead the league in steals, and Lilggins was known to be a good steal guy in high school.  Let's hope it translates over to the college level.

OK, that's how I see it.  I know many of you have been waiting on some basketball stuff, so jump right in.

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kudos

Thanks for the analysis, Truz. I have a personal question, do you happen to make a living out of crunching numbers?

by khlim2 on Oct 21, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

If I did, I would be broke and holding out signs on the highway reading, “Will Blog for Food.”

Oh, wait …

:-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 21, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you make me worry.....

just so happen I am in school for a degree that will land me a job with number crunching…

by khlim2 on Oct 21, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't ...

… mean to imply the work wasn’t lucrative or valuable, just that I am not very good at it. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 22, 2008 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You make your tables so damn sexy

Now if your next basketball post has pie charts, I’m officially going to be calling this place BlueTube. (For those of you not getting the joke, Google but do not go to RedTube dot com.)

by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Oct 21, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Charts arouse me. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 21, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoorah

Here’s my thoughts.

Ramon Harris based on a very small sample size does seem like he has improved his outside shot. I still dont expect him to take many as that isnt really his game but I think he will pull a Jasper and make the one’s he takes.
        

You left Miller out of the good passer category. I have seen him play several times and he is a very good passer that really liked to get his high school teammates involved in the game.

I dont expect our free throw percentage to fall off all that much. In a twist of fortune it seems like all our bigs are good free throw shooters. We know perry and pat can hit from the stripe and i expect Harrelson to be good from the free throw line as much as we have all seen his picture at it. I think most of the players taking the majority of the shots wil be good free throw shooters although like you said it may fall off some just due to a larger rotation.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Oct 21, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree. Free throw percentage will not suffer.

Stevenson and Patterson should be in the 70%s and Meeks should be in the 90s. It looks like Galloway and Liggins have always been in the 70s and I think that is true of Miller. If Harrelson and Porter can hit in the 70s then we should be in good shape.. If Harris can’t hit in the 70s with this club, he will not be in the game in the last two minutes.

With the speed and the running that we will do, I expect us to be fouled a great deal. We will simply have to make those shots or it will be al long yeat. I think the third offensive option on this team will be its speed and scoring on transition. We will either make the points from a fast break (steal/rebound) or from the foul line.

by Blueobsessed on Oct 21, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harris

I fully expect Harrison to be in the game in the last two minutes despite whatever his free throw percentage may be. Harris is the best perimeter defender on the team. He will be guarding the enemie’s top perimeter player in the last minutes.

Also I dont get where people get this idea of Coach G playing up tempo. None of his teams have ever been super up tempo. I think the pace may pick up from last season but I dont expect a Coach G team to ever broach more than maybe mid 70’s per game.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Oct 21, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enemy

I know I cant spell enemy. Its late.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Oct 21, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again

did it again.

Im going to bed.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Oct 21, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uptempo needed to produce points

My point on Harris is that if he is simply awful in free throw, which I don’t expect him to be, he could be in trouble of not playing the last 2 minutes. That one trait might leave the door open for another player, who is close to Harris’ defensive ability and can hit the free throws. I’m not picking just on Harris, any starter who doesn’t hit free throws may not pllaying the last 2 minutes. I believe if we are ahead, we will be fouled and we have to make the shots.

This team will make or break Coach G. IMO a good 1-3-1 zone played by quick, long athletic players can be very effective if an opposing team is successful in controlling the tempo of a game. On the other hand due to lack of shooters this year, we will need easy transition baskets off of our defensive pressure. Coach G. has already said that the third offensive option would be team speed. These are two things you may not have seen before in Coach G. teams, but I think the personnel of the team calls for these type of changes this year.

by Blueobsessed on Oct 22, 2008 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zone

The best time to use a zone is when you are physically overmatched by the other team. If we didn’t see any zone from Coach Gillispie last year, I definitely wouldn’t expect to see it this year.

He’ll play the gritty man to man defense again, but this time he’ll have the depth and interchangable parts to handle a few early fouls.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 22, 2008 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree. While a tough man-to-man, may be the bread and butter

defence, the ability to include a strong match-up zone can really throw off the pace of your opponent’s game. I think being one dimensional in defense is not wise. If I am not wrong several Kentucky coaches have used the 1-3-1 as an effective defense in the past. IMO it seems to favor long, tall, athletic players, who can cut down the passing lanes and cause turnovers.

by Blueobsessed on Oct 22, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your strategy may not be wrong

But I don’t think we’ll see it from Gillispie.

As I said, if we didn’t see zone last year when we needed to play it… you won’t see it with this team.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 24, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gillispie Coaches Tough D And Low To Mid-70 PPG Offense

He’s not Pitino II on offense but he is better defensive coach than Pitino.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 21, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mid 70's ...

… would seem like North Carolina compared to last year. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 21, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

73 PPG Last Year (I Think)

Just about average, maybe a little below (for Gillispie coached teams).

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 22, 2008 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

68.5 PPG Last Year on 47% Shooting...

Gillispie’s last A&M team averaged 75.6 PPG and shot 50% from the field.

For the hell of it:

UNC: 88.6 PPG last year on 49% shooting.
Kansas: 80.5 PPG / 51%
Memphis: 79.9 / 47%
Louisville: 72.5 / 46%

I tend to think that Gillispie’s UK teams will end up averaging between 75 and 80 points per game, similar to Kansas.

This year, I’ll take 72-75 PPG in a heartbeat.

by BBallSophist on Oct 22, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The UK Coach Prior To Gillispie Averaged 75+ PPG

No other Gillispie coached teams approached the 2007 TAMU results.

He’ll be in the low to mid 70’s (PPG) at UK.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 22, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

but BG was rebuilding at UTEP and A&M.Taking BG at his word,and in so many words he told a recruit “We are going to look exactly like Kansas”.He is a disciple of Bill Self,and I think that is the direction UK is headed.

by -Zoso- on Oct 23, 2008 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gillispie Is A Defense First, Offense Second Coach

His teams won’t score much but won’t allow their opponents to score much, either.

He is not Pitino II.

Neither is Self.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 23, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree....

you are forgetting one very important piece of the puzzle in your rush to say what coach G will and will not do at UK. There is no way A&M or UTEP could every attract the talent we will have at Kentucky. Given the firepower we should have over the next several years due to BCG’s relentless recruiting it more that stands to reason we will put up more points even within the confines of the exact same offense employed at those other schools.

I doubt we will be an offensive juggernaut but 75 to 80 points should be a reasonable expectation. Its also important to remember lockdown defense translates into easy baskets and a solid transition game will help boost our offensive production.

by wldcatsfreak on Oct 23, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gillispie Teams May Score 75 PPG

But he is not an offensive coach. Nor is Bill Self (his mentor).

UK teams in recent years (2003 = 77 PPG, 2001 = 79 PPG to name 2) scored lots of points, too.

Kansas averaged 75 ppg from 2004 through 2007 yet was 6-4 in NCAA games.

Kentucky averaged similar PPG in that timeframe and was also 6-4 in NCAA games.

Self was the Kansas coach.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 23, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slower pace,yes

They do not play high tempo offense,but both are excellent coaches when it comes to offense.Kansas was 2nd in the nation in offense efficiency,this season.BG’s final A&M team ranked 6th is shooting %,and 4th in assists/turnover ratio,nationally.They also play excellent defense.They rank high on both sides of the ball.Another coach who uses similiar balance on both sides of the ball is Ben Howland.

by -Zoso- on Oct 25, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kansas (2008) Was An Aberration

Self coached other teams with experience and talent. None got 80 ppg.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 26, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kansas in 2007 averaged 78.4. That is closer to 80 than 75...

We may be splitting hairs.

The main point we differ with is that you believe we will average in the low to mid 70s. I believe that, like Kansas, we will average mid to high 70s, with Gillispie’s best teams averaging in the higher 70s and maybe 80s and more often averaging in the mid 70s. That is entirely reasonable.

by BBallSophist on Oct 27, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure what Tubby has to do with this...

…but anyways:

The 2007 TAMU team was the best representation of Gillispie’s style as a head coach.

He only spent two seasons at UTEP before making the jump to A&M, so I don’t think it’s accurate to derive anything about his future UK teams from offensive statistics from a team that was made up primarily of players whom Gillispie had not recruited and only had two total years coaching.

It stands to reason that by his 3rd season at A&M he was able to recruit the players who fit his style in addition to having had two years to teach his offensive sets and philosophy to those players. The results? 75.6 PPG. This is a style and philosophy that, as Gillispie himself has said, is remarkably similar to Bill Self, his mentor.

Here is what Kansas has averaged for five years under Self, keeping in mind that his first team was a very talented, senior-laden squad which made the Elite 8, losing in overtime to Georgia Tech:

03-04: 75.8
04-05: 75
05-06: 75.2
06-07: 78.4
07-08: 80.5

By his fourth and fifth year, with teams entirely recruited Self, Kansas has averaged over 78 points per game.

Once Gillispie has all of the pieces in place with experienced and talented players, I fully expect for us to average between 75-80 points. I expect this to be the rule, not the exception, for UK from 2009 onward.

by BBallSophist on Oct 23, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think ...

… that’s right.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 23, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 2007 TAMU Stars

Were not recruited by Gillispie. The 2003 and 2004 TAMU recruits (juniors and seniors on the 2007 team) were recruited by Melvin Watkins. Acie Law, et al.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 23, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joseph Jones Too

Jones and Law scored almost half of the TAMU ppg and were Watkins’ recruits.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 23, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strike that comment about the 03-04 Kansas squad...

…being senior-laden. Got that wrong. Wayne Simien, Keith Langford, and Aaron Miles were all juniors.

by BBallSophist on Oct 23, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Veteran UK Teams In Recent Years (2001, 2003) Scored Near 80 PPG Too

I expect Gillispie teams to score as high as mid 70’s (not more).

He’s a defensive minded coach, not Pitino again.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 23, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is comparing Gillispie to Pitino?

In the last seven seasons, Louisville has averaged 75 points per game. Last year’s Louisville team was considered one of the better defensive teams in the country, and rightly so.

I don’t understand why are characterizing Gillispie as a defense-minded coach and Pitino as an offensive-minded coach as if neither of them are capable of producing teams who are productive on both sides of the floor. Part of the reason that Pitino’s teams, especially his UK teams, averaged so many points was largely due to the great, full-court defense that he was so good at implementing.

At TAMU, Gillispie had a good, talented,experienced squad, but it was not as talented as Gillispie’s future UK teams will be. It makes sense to expect that his UK teams will be more effective offensively with the upgrade in talent, and generally average between 75-80 points, with the better teams averaging in those upper 70s/lower 80s.

by BBallSophist on Oct 27, 2008 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kansas

The 2008 Jayhawks were a special team. How did the 2004-05-06-07 Jayhawks do in NCAA games? (Answer = 6-4 total)

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 23, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forty, who was it that made the 1-3-1 so effective at Kentucky?

It would seem if we had a zone or two in our arsenal and used it practice we could play better against it in a game. Just wondering what you think?

by Blueobsessed on Oct 23, 2008 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How Would I Know?

I think UK needs to do whatever it can to score more than the opponent and W more than 18 out of 31 games.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 23, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

That’s one of the best comments I’ve ever seen you make 40.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 24, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zone Defense Chapter 1: The zone and you

Blueobsessed… I think your comment is valid, but out of season.

It belongs about 10 months ago when everyone around here was confounded about why our new coach refused to play zone while racking up loss after loss to “sub-par opponents.” Eventually, the losses stopped coming and we came to embrace the fact that while it made no sense to us… CBCG was not going to play a zone.

I won’t argue with you about the efficacy of it — I have seen our teams confounded by zone defenses far too often to say its not effective — but I will reiterate that (for whatever reason) Coach Gillispie will not use it.

IIRC we saw a zone for a total of two possessions last year late in the conference schedule. Tru may have the stats from all those games archived around here somewhere.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 24, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good assesment

of where we stand entering 08-09. I don’t think it can be stressed enough how important it is that we out rebound our opponet and get our turnovers down to no more than 8-10 a game. Those two stat lines are huge to UKs sucess this year for the simple facts that rebounding is all about heart and determination and not commiting turnovers shows mental toughness….characteristics that some have questioned at times over the last few years.

I am also anxious to see how this team matures and plays with one another. Our two “go-to” guys are coming off injury, two high school studs need to grow up real quick playing in the spotlight that is UK basketball and are our juco transfers going to transition smoothly into playing D-1 ball?

God I can’t wait for this season to get rolling.

by wldcatsfreak on Oct 22, 2008 12:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom Line

Forty has crunched the numbers and made shrewd observations about Gillispie’s approach to the game. D comes first. If kids don’t play D, they don’t play; it doesn’t matter how well they can shoot. Good D also means good rebounding.

On offense, Gillispie wants the ball pushed inside, and he wants guards and small forwards who will take the ball to the basket. He wants to shoot lots of free throws. He’s not a fan of the three. (He doesn’t seem to be recruiting 3-point shooters.)

From game to game, what a coach and team can consistently deliver on is defense. Shooting (especially 3s) comes and goes, except free throws. That’s pretty consistent game to game.

Gillispie is a very conservative coach. You control the game with defense. If you can’t get an edge early and cruise, you win at the end with free throws.

Pitino came to Kentucky when the 35-second clock and 3-point shot were new. Prior to that, most successful teams clogged the middle with big guys (“twin towers”) and had some version of the four-corners offense. That was boring so the NCAA changed the rules.

Pitino took full advantage. He coached and recruited the up and down pro type game against others who were still in the twin-towers mode. The twin-towers teams couldn’t handle the press or defend against the three. Within 10 years, nearly everybody was onto Pitino’s style. They were playing it, recruiting to it, preparing their teams to defend it.

Pitino appears to have a top team at UofL this year, but it is not the same kind of team that he won his NC at UK with.

We appear to have better passers this year, but who are they going to pass it to?; and what are the catchers going to do with the ball? The chemistry is really going to be critical.

I think we will see more consistency with this year’s team. We’ll see players executing more of what Gillispie wants — especially on offense. But we don’t have Crawford & Bradley — who during the SEC schedule — could put the ball on the floor, take it to the hole and score or get fouled — and then make the free throws. Hopefully, we’ll be able to score off passes, screens and cuts and won’t have to resort to street ball.

I’ll be happy with 70 ppg if we hold the opponent to 69.

Go Blue.

by Fortunatus on Oct 23, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Last Sentence

Hold your opponent to fewer points than you score and you W every time.

UC won 2 NCAA titles and nearly a 3rd in the early 1960’s with that philosophy.

I expect Gillispie will W big at UK. Average 25+ W per season. Win 75% of his games. But he will not do it like Pitino or Rupp did. He will do it his way.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 23, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I too, can't wait for the season to start. We all have our expectations

of how the season will unfold. The only thing that is certain is the “uncertain”. Until it plays out, the unexpected is always just around the corner. There certainly are possibilities for different coaching styles to show up based on the personnel at hand. I certainly agree that defense will dominate UK basketball.

One variable that is different this year is the massive size of the team. IMO the walk-on players and Pilgrim are the strongest “practice” players I can remember in the forty-two years I have been watching the cats. Grantled we will rely on Meeks and Patterson in a big way this year. Last year, we mainly relied on Jasper, Meeks, Bradley, Crawford,and Patterson. From time to time they all were injured and the drop off of talent beyond those five players showed. The plus of this horrible situation was that Harris, Porter, and Stevenson got a great deal of playing time. This year they bring that experience to the table AND their backups are very talented athletes, many of whom have previous experience playing elsewhere. It is a very strong TEAM of athletes. Go CATS!

by Blueobsessed on Oct 24, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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