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Indeed he did. And well deserved, too.

C'mon, Wildcat fans -- get behind your team. Show a little class, even if you disagree or don't like some things going on.

Negative attitudes do not create positive outcomes.

over 3 years ago Tru_tiny Glenn Logan 18 comments 0 recs  | 

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Believe me, I am a Brooks supporter. And I agree that those that left the game missed something special. BUT. . .

1) Brooks can’t have it both ways. If he wants to “change the culture”, he has – an uninspiring 5-2 is something that a fan base of a winning program gets upset about. The “old” Kentucky fan would of course be thrilled with 5-2 when compared to some of the football abortions we’ve had to witness over the years. So which is it – are we a fan base whose expectations should be 2-3 wins per year if we’re lucky (e.g., Duke – hah! you suck, Dookies!) and be thrilled that we’ve won 5, or should we be a program that expects bowls/success and can therefore criticize when we see things falling short? I’d much rather be the latter, even if some do go a bit overboard.

2) It was cold on Saturday evening, and if I had been at the game (after drinking all day at Keeneland), after having witness the SC debacle and three completely uninspired quarters of football, would I have left also? Yeah, maybe.

Brooks has spent a lot of time criticizing the fans this year. Some of it has been justified (like when Hartline was booed against NSU), but it seems a bit unnecessary and counterproductive. This fan base has DEFINITELY paid its dues over the years. Brooks needs to man up and deal. Play the whole “no one believes in us” card in the locker room to inspire, if you want – that seems more productive than criticizing the customer.

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Oct 20, 2008 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

My opinion is, the customer can handle it.

If you’re going to buy a ticket to a ball game, watch the whole thing. Yeah, it may have been a little cold, but cold happens here in Kentucky in the fall, and that just isn’t an excuse. Uninspiring or not, we owe it to the team to be great fans, not just average, run of the mill fans. UK works very hard on athletics and creating a good experience for the fan. The team can’t always win, but UK can always be winners when our fans are at their best.

I think what galls Brooks (and me) more than anything are the few who loudly berate his charges from near the bench. I have been to Kentucky games, and I have had words with UK fans who started acting ignorant. Generally, a staredown will work unless they are a drunken belligerent, and then a comment to an usher will do.

Look, people know when they are misbehaving, and when others take notice of it, they generally stop. I’m not condoning confrontation, that’s never a good idea, but there are lots of ways to remind people that acting like an idiot is not a right that comes with the price of admission.

I am very pleased that Brooks is raising this issue. Only UK can do it effectively with a broad reach, and I think Barnhart should continue to push the issue through media comments and supporting his coaches. Anyone who thinks UK fans will stop attending if the school asks them to grow up is just kidding themselves — there are thousands just waiting to take their place.

Being a good fan is learned behavior. We see far too many people on TV acting the fool, and many people get the idea that’s what is supposed to happen at a football game. When they learn it isn’t acceptable, most will behave better. When they learn that buying a ticket is not buying a license to act unethically and stupidly in public, most won’t. In my mind, it just requires more effort on the part of the university and other fans to support not just the team, but the social atmosphere of the great SEC football tradition of which UK is proudly a part. Kentucky is used to having a few die-hard football fans watch their team get crushed in silence. Now that things have turned around, all these new and less fervent fans need to learn to have fun, not to lose their religion because you can’t continue at the same level year after year when you are trying to build a program from ruins.

It’s tough, but it can happen if we all pitch in. Part of that pitching in is not to defend that bad behavior, and thank God, I don’t see many people doing that. The few that do should be reminded that their little reality isn’t what UK fans, the team or the university want or need. If they don’t like it, they can stop coming, sell their tickets and shout at a television where nobody cares what they say or do except their family members. I storm and cuss at home, but never at a game. It’s just wrong.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 20, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen Brother Tru

I was greatly disappointed in the Blue faithless Saturday. Sure it was cold but its October not August; that’s something should be planned for when you’re going to spend 3+ hours outside at night.

I won’t argue that the first 3 1/2 quarters of the game were far from the electric atmosphere of last seasons games. However, a game lasts 4 quarters and that game was well worth the wait for those who stuck around to see it all. All this negativity Coach Brooks is pointing out has to stop. Its demoralizing for our team and looks terrible to any visitors in the stands.

Hopefully Hartline gains some confidence from this win. More importantly, he should have earned the fans respect for his poise late in the game (you might think our players would be respected by our fans regardless). He may not be the best in the SEC but he’s the best on our team, booing him wont fix that.

by BigBlue87 on Oct 20, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor Baby got cold

We are 5-2,and fans are complaining.I think UK has turned the corner.

by -Zoso- on Oct 20, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Cold? Ridiculous

I thought it was actually quite comfortable in the 4th quarter as everyone was filtering out, but I dressed accordingly, in a light jacket and sweatshirt.

The multiple-overtime Tennessee game last year? That was freaking cold. But you didn’t see people filtering out of there.

Cold weather is no excuse. If you’re a fan, you stay and support your team, period. It’s a sporting event, not a picnic. Brooks has every right to complain and I’m there with him. He’s building something here, you should enjoy it. And those who left sure missed an awesome experience. If you won’t stay around for the chance of something like that, why come to the game at all?

by EEWildcat on Oct 20, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Oct 21, 2008 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

(Sorry, I hit the enter button intsead of tab)

Going to a sporting event isn’t a trial – it should be enjoyable. No one should be forced to stay just because they bought a ticket (in economic terms, the ticket is a sunk fixed cost, and the marginal cost of staying (your time and ability to do something else) must be weighed against the marginal return of staying). If the product stinks, fans have a right to vote with their feet.

(Two disclaimers: 1) I was 700 miles away on Saturday, so I have no idea how cold it was. 2) I personally would never leave a game like that, just on the off-chance one could see a comeback like we did. But if the wife and kids were up in my earhole complaining. . . )

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Oct 21, 2008 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cold

I was there and I left early. It was cold but it wasnt that cold. The weather wasnt the reason people were leaving.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Oct 21, 2008 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's the difference

   That’s the difference between being a “true fan” who stays to support their players until the end, and someone who treats the event as an economic exercise with the only goal being his own entertainment. For “true fans” it’s a two way street where you support your team by cheering until the end and your team responds to you by playing their hearts out.
  It’s about being a part of, and supporting your community. The entertainment is just a bonus.

by EEWildcat on Oct 21, 2008 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever

Look, let’s not get into the “true fan” debate (it’s as tiresome as the “is A-Rod a True Yankee?” debate that goes on up here). I don’t care either way, and I don’t think anyone who has suffered through years of UK football needs to “prove” their fanhood.

MY POINT IS, why is Brooks doing this? Why is he constantly ragging on the fans? We’ve already been accused of running off one coach (I know, Forty – please don’t flame me.) After a while, we will get the reputation of being unreasonable (and not in a good way). That can’t help the program in the long run – either in terms of getting recruits, or having factions in our fan base – I don’t want to be Arkansas! And I don’t think it’s fair, either.

C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Oct 21, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah ...

… forget the “true fan” crap. It’s bogus.

But also forget the “product on the field” crap. This isn’t a commercial enterprise and fans who come to the game aren’t paying for victory — they are paying for the opportunity to watch and support their team. If fans want to take issue with Brooks, fine, let them write, call, email or withhold their financial contributions. This is not a professional team, and there is no “product” for sale.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 21, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever you want to call it

The label "true fan’ is kind of ridiculous, and many semantical arguments can be made that are useless as to what qualifies. Thus my quoting it.

Ignoring the hot-button term, the important part is that there is a difference between seeing a football game as a chance to be part of a community, or as an entertainment product. No one has to prove anything to earn any kind of label, but as Shakespeare would say, the proof is in the pudding. Booing and not supporting your community is lame, whatever label you want to put on it.

by EEWildcat on Oct 21, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fans' Thoughts

Tom Leach made an interesting point on the mindset of Kentucky fans. He said when the cats are down by six in Rupp arena, everyone is envisioning a way for Kentucky to comeback. Conversely, if UK is up by six with a minute to go in Commonwealth, everyone is anticipating a way for the wildcats to give away the game.

The biggest challenge ever faced by Brooks maybe altering that perception

Two months (!). Two weeks. Two pencils.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Oct 20, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting ...

… and quite possibly correct.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 20, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point

I didnt hear Leach’s comment but we’ve seen the basketball team do this many many times, therefore we EXPECT it….what i’ve seen is the football team get beat in the final minutes and EXPECTING it to happen again (againist all hope and prayers i can send up mind you!) Maybe Saturdays turn of events will be the foundation of what we can EXPECT in the future…..i for one would love that.

" I believe in pipedreams"

by Magnoliacat on Oct 21, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Opinion

All I know is that if people happen to be ready to leave – for WHATEVER – reason, that is their right. They bought the ticket, and can leave whenever they want for whatever reason they choose. I think it is ridiculous to be thought of as “not a real/true fan” for that. I totally agree about those that rant and rage from the stands about the players, the coaches, and whatever else – that is very irritating. Those that left early missed out, but it was their choice and none of Brooks’ business. People can still be fans and opt out of watching a team they love play like crap.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Oct 21, 2008 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

That's true.

But the bottom line that Brooks is getting at is this — if you are going to ask the kids not to give up, what kind of message does it send when fans give up? Do as I say, not as I do? Yeah, pretty much.

If fans want to demand the team play hard, the least they can do is support that effort, not walk away disgusted. This is college athletics, not a professional sports team. Despite what many will tell you, there is a substantial difference.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Oct 21, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is chaining anyone up

Sure you have a right to leave – you even have a right to mouth off, but that doesn’t mean you should do it. If you had a friend that was going through a rough spot in their life, you have every right to turn away and ignore them. But that wouldn’t be being a good friend. Just because you have a right to do something doesn’t mean you should do it.

And sure, there are plenty of reasons for leaving, there are lots of things more important than sports. But IMHO, you’re being a more faithful member of your community if you stay around through the tough spots and offer some encouragement. Yeah, “fair weather fan” is just a label and name-calling, and who cares. It’s the sentiment and support that counts.

by EEWildcat on Oct 21, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

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