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UK vs. South Carolina: "Old" Kentucky beats the 'Cats (with an assist from Stephen Garcia)

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My father was the first one to say the words.  Saturday afternoon, sometime in the third quarter of UK's demoralizing 24-17 setback to South Carolina.  Ya knew it had to be said ... "now that's 'old' Kentucky."  And he was right.

What I witnessed yesterday, on a perfect football afternoon, was a throwback, and I'm not talking about team jerseys.  It's hard for a team to give up only 274 total yards, while at the same time allowing 24 points.  But Saturday it was "old" Kentucky, they can find a way to give up only a paltry 274 total yards and still lose.  Of course losing is made easier when a team gives up an 81 yard touchdown scamper off of a blocked 29 yard field goal attempt (I think the entire Carolina team had a shot at blocking the kick ... the penetration they got on the rush rendered the kick futile).  "Old" Kentucky was also kind enough to give a helping hand to Carolina by not covering their lane assignments on a kick-off, thus creating gaps, and allowing for an 84 yard kick-off return.  Which set up a 16 yard touchdown pass.  Kentucky only gaining 218 total yards also helped the Carolina cause. 

A study of the futility led me to a few conclusions as to why I feel "old" Kentucky made an uninvited appearance at Commonwealth Saturday.  My conclusions, in no particular order: 

Giving up a big play after a touchdown -- "Old" Kentucky made a habit of giving back momentum.

I know one play in a college football game doesn't generally win or lose the contest, but there are times when one play can drastically change the tenor of a tilt.

Ask any athlete who has played in front of big crowds if momentum is important. 

After Trevard Lindley intercepts a Chris Smelley pass early in the game, and returns it for a touchdown, UK turns around, and on the ensuing kick-off gives up an 84 yard return.  Followed by a 16 yard touchdown pass.  Within a matter of game-seconds, the Commonwealth crowd goes silent, and "mo" evaporates. 

That was an opportunity for Kentucky to put SC away early.  A lost opportunity.  Vintage "Old" Kentucky.

Second down and long -- "Old" Kentucky constantly found itself running for one and two yards on first down.

UK had 23 second down offensive opportunities, 15 of those opportunities were 2nd & 8 or longer.  On average, UK faced a 2nd & 7. 

UK is not getting the job done on first down; too many one and two yard runs, too many incomplete or very short passes, too many 2nd and longs.  When an offense (albeit a young offense) is struggling as UK's is, the coaches (and players) absolutely HAVE TO FIND A WAY to consistently gain four, five, or six yards on first down.  This stat is also partly responsible for UK not throwing long more often.  When a team is stuck in 2nd and 3rd and long, it's much riskier to go deep, because if the pass isn't completed they're either going to have to punt, or pray for a 3rd and long conversion.  Offensive coordinators are much more open to going deep when it's 2nd and 2 (except for Steve Spurrier).

Third down conversion attempts -- "Old" Kentucky always threw well short of the needed first down yardage.

Now that's funny ... UK converting on third down.  Yesterday, UK was one for 16 on their third down plays.  As maddening as that stat is, a look at the play selection on third down is even more dramatically disappointing:

  • 3rd & 12 -- Three yard pass to Maurice Grinter.
  • 3rd & 8 -- Three yard rush by Mike Hartline.
  • 3rd & 10 -- Eight yard pass to Dicky Lyons.
  • 3rd & 5 -- Two yard pass to Randall Cobb.
  • 3rd & 3 -- Two yard rush by Derrick Locke.
  • 3rd & 10 -- Five yard pass to Locke.
  • 3rd & 4 -- Two yard pass to Moncell Allen.

Five of those seven opportunities were passes thrown well short of the first down marker.  "Old" Kentucky, indeed. 

South Carolina's 3rd down "Visor" magic -- "Old" Kentucky couldn't stop Spurrier if every Commonwealth lovely were threatened with repatriation to the Palmetto State. 

South Carolina was eight for 17 on their third down attempts, holding true to their 47% season average.  It takes all the drama out of the game; when one knows a conversion is imminent, one loses interest, and ever so slowly, sanity.

Carolina's offense and Kentucky's newly generous defense provided the following 3rd down opportunities and results:

  • 3rd & 8 -- Twelve yard pass completion.
  • 3rd & 11 -- Eleven yard pass completion (what a coincidence).
  • 3rd & 14 -- Twenty-seven yard pass completion.
  • 3rd & 10 -- Thirteen yard pass completion.
  • 3rd & 12 -- Seventeen yard pass completion.
  • 3rd & 5 -- Twenty-four yard pass completion.

I don't agree at all with the whole, "giving is better than receiving," life philosophy. 

Another Spurrier QB makes his bones at UK's expense -- "Old" Kentucky was on the receiving end of a number of career best games by Spurrier-coached quarterbacks.  

If Stephen Garcia didn't win the starting quarterback spot with his performance versus UK Saturday, then I encourage him to seek a transfer to Kentucky; he can be my quarterback anytime.

His success shouldn't come as a surprise.  The 6"2', 221 pound redshirt freshman (out of Tampa, Florida) was a highly heralded recruit out of high school.  Garcia was the fourth rated dual-threat quarterback in the nation by Rivals.  He was also the 12th best prospect in Florida.  He was rated a 4-star recruit. 

Garcia threw for 8,081 yards in his high school career (good for fourth in Florida high school history), and 83 touchdowns (sixth in Florida high school history).  He rushed for another 1,345 yards (on 263 carries) and 17 touchdowns. 

Saturday, he announced his presence with authority.  His stat line is impressive: 10-14 for 169 yards.  He ran six times for a positive yardage total of 38 yards, but he was sacked three times for a loss of 16 yards, so his stat line reads six rushes for 22 yards.  He was much more dangerous than that.

After starting Carolina quarterback Chris Smelley (9-23 for 105 yards and 2 picks) was justifiably yanked by Steve Spurrier at the 6:46 mark of the third quarter, Garcia torched the 'Cats on the ground and through the air.  Garcia led Carolina on drives of 50, 60, 58, and 38 yards, resulting in three field goal attempts (only one make) and one touchdown.  Conversely, Smelley's longest drive of the day was his first, which was good for 38 yards (he had four drives of less than 13 yards).

Garcia isn't a change of pace quarterback, he's a change of game-plan quarterback.  And he was made that way by Kentucky.

A rundown of UK stats, comment included

Mike Hartline played his worse game as a 'Cat.  He was 23-43 for 152 yards and two interceptions.  Twenty-three completions for 152 yards; that's an average of 6.6 yards per catch.  Not good.

Hartline seemed off.  He overthrew more than a few receivers, and was on-target too few times.  He did once again have some drops, but not to the extent of the earlier games. 

I've been a big Hartline defender, I hope he doesn't make me regret making that decision.

UK's running game was once again M.I.A..  After Derrick Locke and Randall Cobb both had single carries for nine yard gains on Kentucky's first possession of the game, a UK back never ran for more than five yards.  As a team UK rushed for a 2.8 yards per carry average.

This area remains the solid favorite to win the "Most Disappointing Aspect" of UK's team.  It's time to quit talking, and start achieving.

The fourth quarter belonged to Carolina.  For the game, time of possession was almost dead-even at 30:43 to 29:17 ( SC with the slight edge), but in the fourth quarter Carolina owned the pigskin for 10:42.  Leaving UK with the ball for only 4:18.

The final result, UK giving up 10 fourth quarter, game-deciding points.

Tim Masthay continues to impress.  Masthay punted six times for an outstanding 46.7 average.  He did have a 36 yard punt, which is about six yards short of his average, but heck, the guys human.

He also had a kick-off that was a frozen rope (line-drive), which left the coverage about fifteen yards from the return man (Captain Munnerlyn) on the catch.  This is not advantageous.  The coverage recovered quickly, but a number of lane assignments were abandoned, resulting in the long return (84 yards).

Masthay is culpable, but the coverage had 10 guys to make up for his mistake.  None did.

All in all ...

A game to forget for the fans, a game to learn from for the players. 

I certainly don't see this game as a death knell for the season, it just makes the Arkansas game this coming Saturday the biggest game most of UK's players have ever played in.  Can anyone say "must win?" 

If UK had played horribly against Alabama, I'd feel much more gloom and doom, but I'll keep my fingers crossed for a Petrino beat-down.  If not, a season to forget could soon follow.

I'll be accepting applications from anyone interested in performing an exorcism.  Previous successful experience is a must, for the ghosts of "old" Kentucky must be vanquished, and right quick. 

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!

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I have been ...

… a Hartline supporter as well, but I am now convinced that he is not ready. He simply cannot continue to run at quarterback 100% of the time if we expect to win. Hartline’s arm is suspect, he didn’t throw one single ball all day with a tight spiral, which is one of the biggest reasons his passes floated like balloons.

Repeatedly throwing wounded ducks over receivers head is symptomatic of a mechanical problem in his throwing motion. He needs to spend significant time working on his technique, because you can’t throw balls like that in the SEC. Hartline also appears to have below-average arm strength, and that is a real problem when your technique is as bad as his was yesterday.

At this point, we can’t bench Hartline — we simply have no replacement. Cobb can’t replace him, he isn’t ready to run the offense all the time. So we really have no choice but to go to a two-quarterback system, and I think Cobb should get relatively few reps at receiver from now on. We need to get him the ball somehow on every series in the backfield, where he can force coverage breakdowns. When you have a QB who can run, you force the linebackers to stay at home, and create opportunities for the receivers. That’s the real reason Garcia was so effective — the corners had to be aware of the run, even though their responsibility is primarily the pass. Forcing the secondary to have to be aware of a run possibility on every play is what causes blown coverages and mistakes. We simply didn’t force South Carolina to think about more than one thing at a time, and against a sound defense, you must do that at least some of the time.

Hartline is essentially a pro-style quarterback with insufficiently developed physical skills to compete in the SEC. If you are going to drop back and pass on every passing play in this league, you’d better have a gun or be deadly accurate. Hartline has neither, and therefore we must add another dimension to force the defense to beware, instead of just squat on the receivers and trust the d-line to hurry the QB.

Sanders has got to improve Hartline’s technique, which will make his arm effectively stronger. A well-thrown football will get where it needs to go much better and faster than a wobbly throw, and wobbly throws tend to go off line and off altitude, which is what we saw yesterday. As a former QB in high school, I know that when I made a bad release, it usually had a bad result. A tight spiral almost always had a good result. Technique is Hartline’s problem right now, and he really won’t be effective until it improves a lot.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 12, 2008 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hartline

I agree that Hartline isnt the greatest but I dont think Cobb is ready to play major time at QB or that he would fair so well against SEC players at that position. We have seen Cobb play maybe 3-4 series at QB this season and think that he should be getting time in SEC play at that position based on very very little evidence against a very weak foe.
Now that Dicky Lions is out I think we have to have Cobb at reciever.

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by davw83 on Oct 12, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whats funny

is that we will still get predictions next week that UK will win. That is just the UK way…:)

by SevenRings on Oct 12, 2008 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We may well win ...

… against Arkansas. They are not a very good team, not nearly as good as South Carolina.

But we really need some changes on offense.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 12, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cobb

is not ready. Hartline is not ready.

So, logic says, go with they guy who has that intangible asset of the “it” factor.

When he is out there the other seem better. When he is under center, like you point out Tru, it will make the D honest.

So, we are loosing – Fact
We are not improving – Fact
Hartline is not top-flight SEC – Fact
Cobb has it in him and will be top-flight SEC – Fact

So give him the ball and if we are going to loose some, loose some getting him real pressure reps and at least his ability to run and “it” factor may make up for what Hartline has over him right now.

Yesterday was an odd blip. Joker had better step up is coaching during the week and play calling on Saturday if I am to bee 100% comfortable with his seat next to the king ready to step in.

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Oct 12, 2008 12:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Aristotle,

Would be proud of your deductive reasoning, and so am I. Couldn’t agree more.

Two months (!). Two weeks. Two pencils.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Oct 12, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please

I have just been waiting for someone to start doggin the coaches especially Joker. After the job he has done the past couple of seasons there’s no call for anyone to start second guessing the man. He just doesnt have the personnel this season man. They havent gotten worse as coaches.

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by davw83 on Oct 12, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hold on

I am not “dogging” the coaches. What I am saying is, are we making forward steps or not. That is coaching. You can’t lay it all on players because the coaches brought them here.

On-side to open half – WHAT? Did the players go out and decide this on their own?
The realization that NOTHING was happening on offense did not seem to reach the box. The play calling on each of the 1st, 2nd and as was pointed out in this original article was dreadful calls on all of our 3rd downs that gave us no chance to make the first down.

I really like Joker and I have said many times that Brooks will go down as one of our greatest coaches for what and how he has done it AND I wanted him fired 3-4 years ago. However, Saturday was a complete breakdown from Top to the bottom.

When I named Joker and said I was not 100% comfortable yet with his place, that is all I mean. I did not say fire him. I did not say it was all his fault. I am just not a full 100%. He is good, real good and has time to even improve much more. But, there are some player rotation, player development, situational play calling, time clock mistakes and time out usages that simply are the difference in elite coaches and what we are seeing. I will even say that many of these things were present last year and before but the wins and some great players covered them up. Hell, Joker could be hanging his head too while someone else makes some of these calls. Could be Brooks himself.

My only point is that they too need to “practice” and improve along side the layers. My “odd blip” comment was to say just that. Brooks, Joker, Brown and Sanders have built and are building us to levels we have not seen year-in year-out. As tough as the SEC is and with the money we have, will they build UK to the point where if there was another full court job search would the bait be better and the fish we land bigger?

Again, this is only discussion. If I was given only one thing to choose while NOTHING else would be changed or improved, it would be replace Hartline not fire Joker.

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on Oct 13, 2008 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our Coaches are

good game coaches but not great. Steve Spurrier is unfortanately great. He always out coaches us. I also have backed Hartline. We do have to remember that SC has the best defense in the SEC. I believe he will learn from this game and be ready for Arkansas. The Hogs are not very good.

by Grasslands1 on Oct 12, 2008 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What I'm finding ...

… around the blogosphere and among friends is a healthy dose of overreaction to one game.

UK stunk, period, but that doesn’t mean that they won’t bounce back from this bit of regression.

by Ken Howlett on Oct 12, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed.

You are wise not read too much into one game. However, the lack of maturation from this team’s offense is most worrisome. Doubtless, injuries have played a considerable part, but the offense has yet to show any consistency. The opponents will not get easier as the season progresses.

That said, I think it is time to make a switch at QB. Hartline unfortunately has shown he cannot ably lead this team. He has unequivocally failed. Fidler or Cobb deserve a chance. Or put Derrick Locke in the “Wildcat Formation.” Something. Anything. The offense must be more productive if UK aspires to have a winning season.

Two months (!). Two weeks. Two pencils.

by Thomas Hunt Morgan on Oct 12, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rediculous

Im sorry but thats just a ludicrous idea. With the exception of Lions many of our receivers are TRUE freshman who will be solid players but we lost so much on offense that they are having to contribute before they are ready. With Dicky Lions out only Cobb is very dependable at the position. I could maybe see moving cobb to QB but at this point you need him at Wide receiver more. Cobb may have more big play making ability than Hartline but he doesn’t know the system nearly as well meaning he will make more negative plays AND you havent seen him at OB enough to know very much about him at all. It’s classic backup QB syndrome. You have seen him play half a game against an inferior opponent at the QB position which is nothing. If fidler were any better than Harltine you can bet he’d be on the field. Hartline has his deficiencies but his receivers make him look worse than he is and he is what we have right now. nothing is changing. get behind him and support the team. You saw Locke get all the carries he wanted and what became of it? Tony Dixon’s numbers.

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by davw83 on Oct 12, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… I don’t agree that it is ridiculous, but it isn’t the answer, in my opinion.

Cobb is going to have to play some quarterback. Yes, we need him at WR, but unfortunately, Hartline is not ready to take all the snaps. He just isn’t, for all the reasons that I pointed out earlier. Cobb is even younger and less ready, but he has one thing that Hartline doesn’t — the ability to run with the football.

Right now, nobody fears UK’s vertical game, so they are stacking the box. With Cobb under center, you may not have to fear the verticals, but you can’t sit on the routes, either, particularly the linebackers. That opens up the middle routes a lot more, and spreads the field, giving your skill guys a better chance to get isolated or force broken coverage in the secondary. With a quarterback as dangerous a Cobb, it puts a lot of pressure on the linebacking corps and tends to isolate players in space like the Spread Option is designed to do, even if you don’t run the SO formations.

We have to force our opponents to respect the pass, and until Hartline improves his technique, he is going to have to share snaps with Cobb, maybe as much as 40% of the time or more. If we are going to move the ball, we have to force the secondary to do things it doesn’t want to, and Hartline just isn’t capable of that right now, not in the SEC — he just doesn’t have the arm or the accuracy to throw the ball down the field and force the defense to stay honest.

Plus, Cobb can help open up the running game. The main feature of a standard Spread Option attack, besides its very wide formations, is a highly mobile quarterback. The gold standard for the Spread Option is the offense that Rich Rodriguez ran at West Virginia with quarterbacks a lot like Randall Cobb. Even if you run pro-style sets, you still get some of the benefits of an SO team when you have a quarterback as dangerous on the run with the ball in this hands as Cobb is. It makes the defense uncertain of their responsibilities.

Yes, we are talking about a gimmick offense, but right now we simply don’t have the skills to run the pure pro-style offense Brooks wants to run — Hartline isn’t ready yet and neither are our receivers. We have to do something that will give them a chance to get mismatches. That’s my opinion, anyway.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 13, 2008 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cobb

Here’s the thing about Cobb. I think your statement

“With a quarterback as dangerous a Cobb, it puts a lot of pressure on the linebacking corps and tends to isolate players in space like the Spread Option is designed to do, even if you don’t run the SO formations”

 is a little off because Cobb is an unknown. You cant say Cobb is dangerous. We really havent seen him play more than 3-4 series at QB. You havent seen him take one snap against a defense the caliber of USC or Alabama. It could be an absolute disaster. According to Brooks cobb is struggling with two bad ankles and has a problem with his left hand. That coupled with the fact that everyone is screaming for Cobb when you really have no clue whatsoever how he would fare against SEC defenses makes me extremely wary. A true freshman QB on the field with four true freshman WR’s is no way to win in this league. Youth is our problem and the only thing that will fix that is time.

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by davw83 on Oct 13, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One Snap

Strike the one snap. He did take a couple against USC but I think my point is still fairly made. 4 snaps does not a successful SEC QB make.

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by davw83 on Oct 13, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand where you are coming from ...

… but let’s be reasonable here. We know Cobb is dangerous. He has proven it every time he has lined up under center. Yes, he is young and inexperienced, and nobody can doubt that. He is not the answer at QB, and I am not saying he should replace Hartline at starter.

What I am saying is that, in my humble opinion, he and Hartline should be sharing the snaps. Hartline is completely one dimensional, and the one dimension that is his strength is not that strong yet. Cobb is multi-dimensional — he can run, throw and catch. That inherently makes him dangerous, and makes defenses play him for two possibilities. That uncertainty disadvantages the defense. That isn’t really disputable.

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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 13, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might agree

if Dicky Lyons werent out for the year. At this point I think you have to have Cobb at receiver. He cant throw to himself. Oh I wish he could. Can you imagine Cobb to Cobb for the touchdown.

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by davw83 on Oct 14, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

One game does not the season make and this team has too much potential to give up on them now. We only need 2-3 more wins. Even if we end up ar 6-6 I think UK is selected for a bowl due to the fanbase.

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by davw83 on Oct 12, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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