South Carolina @ Kentucky: Post Mortem
Congratulations to South Carolina and the Ol' Ball Coach for a great second half. Despite the best efforts of USC to give the game away in the first half, they managed to capitalize on Kentucky's mistakes and put points on the board. Great effort. Perhaps this is the sign that USC fans have been looking for.
For Kentucky, it was a frustrating day. The Kentucky offense simply isn't SEC quality at this point, and Mike Hartline worked hard, but just doesn't throw the ball like an SEC quarterback. Many, many times he had open receivers only to sail the ball over their head, or throw it in the wrong place.
But lest you think I am blaming this all on Hartline, I'm not. Locke did not deliver on his implicit claim that running the football would be more effective despite many bites at the apple. Randall Cobb helped, but the loss of Dicky Lyons took the Kentucky offense from suspect to second-rate. The defense spent far too much time on the field, and it showed in the second half. Special teams were bad all day, giving up a kick return that led to a touchdown and several short punts that gave USC good field position. If Succop had been even marginally capable, this would have been a 16-point pounding.
I think that Stephen Garcia has "all SEC" in his future, as his size, arm strength and running ability reminded me as much of Tim Tebow as any player I have seen this year. UK just didn't have an answer for him, and despite getting a few sacks, the defensive line did not get enough pressure on Garcia, primarily because he is so capable with his feet. Garcia made throws that made UK's secondary look very bad, and in general, it did not play well in the second half, particularly David Jones who was burned repeatedly for big plays.
If UK is to achieve its goal of a third straight bowl, there have to be changes on offense. As it stands, with the possibility of Lyons going down for many games and perhaps even the season, UK looks incapable of putting up enough points to be successful from here on out, and even if Lyons is only mildly injured, I feel uncomfortable enough about what I have seen that I don't see another sure victory on the horizon. Having seen Hartline now for six games, I can say that he is unquestionably not SEC-quality right now now, and I don't know if we have an SEC-quality quarterback on our football team this year. Cobb is exciting, but I don't believe he is the answer -- he is just too young. Hartline may get better, but with a young receiving corps, and too much youth overall at our skill positions, Kentucky no longer looks like a sure bet to win any of the remaining SEC games, even next week when Arkansas comes to town.
Right now, I am not at all optimistic about the rest of the year. Something may change, but we have far too many offensive holes to plug in seven more weeks. We may have to cobble together some kind of gimmick offense to take advantage of where we are athletic, but the inability of receivers to get open or catch footballs, and the inability of Hartline to deliver the ball on target combined with the possible loss of Dicky Lyons Jr. make our offense look like it is on life support.
It's an awful realization that we truly do stink on offense as badly as some have said. At this point, I believe that this game removes all doubt in that regard. But who knows, perhaps I am too pessimistic -- perhaps UK will suddenly start catching balls, or Hartline will start throwing them on target. Who knows? But I do know this -- this game was a massive regression offensively. We rarely looked like a team who could score, even in the red zone.
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Very accurate description of this game...
Reality has set in. I mentioned it several times prior to the Alabama game that UK’s offense will be the downfall once they get into SEC play. They played 4 poor teams to start the season and did some good things. I read a lot of optimistic posts that stated that the offense was young and they will get better, get coached up etc. but I never could get past the fact that they were playing stiffs. This is not a situation that they can just flip a switch and turn it around. The skill positions are young and inexperienced (save the RB’s). I felt the offensive line gave Hartline a good pocket all day but neither the QB or the receivers could do anything with it. Obviously I will still support this team to the end but reality is……well reality.
by SevenRings on Oct 11, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brooks once said
The hardest part of building a program up in the SEC is getting years when BOTH sides of the ball are at the same level year in year out.
Imagine, last year’s O and this year’s D. Lights out.
We are getting closer to that as a program but yes, reality is setting in for this year as a whole.
Changing how you think will change what you think.
by wilson452 on Oct 11, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks ...
… to have to post stuff like this, but what we saw today on offense is not going to work. It will work against Western and weaker Div I teams, but not the SEC. It is even more important to be able to score than to have a good defense, as we saw last year.
I don’t know what’s to be done, but Hartline doesn’t have the physical tools needed. He’s smart and tough, but his arm is not that strong, and his decision making, at least today, was sophomoric. It does not bode well for the future.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 11, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fanposts
Tru, can you do something about all that garbage. That is a disgrace to this site.
by kykat51 on Oct 11, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Took care of it.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 11, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious
What garbage was here?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Oct 13, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ...
… just some sad sack posting a bunch of hate directed at Hartline, then later at me. Glad you didn’t have to read any of it.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 13, 2008 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was deplorable...
To say the least, for a respected site such as this one. But Tru took care of it and I am sure that if that poster comes back on another name, which he did the next day, the same will be done.
by kykat51 on Oct 13, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not improving
The worst part is, we’re not improving.
You’d hope with all of the young players, things would be getting better as the season goes on. This effort was our worst football game all year, much worse than against Alabama, which was a very mediocre outing.
Up until this game, I thought Hartline was doing a passable job (get it?? I’m so funny) but this game was just dismal. Before, the receivers weren’t catching the passes or were in the wrong place. Now, nearly every pass was overthrown. He was drastically outclassed by both Smelley and Garcia – Spurrier has at least 2 QB’s vastly better than anyone we have.
The offensive line created maybe one hole the whole game for the rushing game.
I was appalled by how many 3rd and LONG conversions SC made. It was ridiculous. Our secondary was great against Alabama, but poor against SC.
I agree with Tru – with Dicky Lyons out we are in big trouble and I share his pessimism. We have basically no one with any experience receiving, and the running game is totally non-existant. Even “I need more carries” Derek Locke didn’t perform well at all, even getting every running carry for 3 quarters, plus. I don’t know how many more he needs to get “warmed up”.
The only good thing is having Micah Johnson back. With him, we might have won that Alabama game. But that’s football.
I had plans to be in town and watch this game and next week’s at commonwealth, and was very psyched about it. After this game, I’m dreading going next week. It’s just depressing.
by EEWildcat on Oct 11, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually
The 50-yard field goal kick by Tydlaka was great
And what was up with that onsides kick into the wind? No more onsides kicks until some kicker knows how to do one. Besides, you pull that stuff when you have to kick into the wind, just let Masthay put it through the endzone when the wind is on your side.
by EEWildcat on Oct 11, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. I don’t think our coaches had a scouting report on Garcia.
2. Throwing the ball PAST THE FIRST DOWN MARKER on 3rd down is Chapter One material for any high school (yes, high school) quarterback. You know how many times we attempted a pass beyond the first down marker on third down in this game?
Once. In fact at one point on three straight series, we had third downs where we needed 8, 6, and 10 yards. We threw the ball forward 3, 4, and 3 yards.
My favorite was once when it was 3rd and 3…and we threw the ball zero yards. I don’t mean that the PLAY WENT for no gain. I mean Hartline turned and threw a short screen directly to his right, no farther down the field than the line of scrimmage.
Is this a new concept? Don’t you learn to throw the ball DOWN the field on 3rd down so that your receiver doesn’t HAVE to run after the catch to get the first down? So that when he catches it, he’s ALREADY past the first down marker?
I don’t know if the reason for this is that Hartline has no time, or that he’s afraid to throw downfield because he might get picked off, or both.
3. Anyone “notice” the quiet crowd? I never knew they were there. Never heard them on big plays.
by VentDependent on Oct 12, 2008 3:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The crowd ...
… was quiet.
I have no problem with running screens on third down. I do have a problem running them on 3rd and 10. On any pass play that does not throw the ball past the distance needed for a first down, you have many more chances for it to go wrong than go right.
The only thing I can figure is that the coaching staff has no faith at all in the wide receiving corps. Which, at this point, is understandable.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 12, 2008 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crowd
The crowd was not quiet. I have been to every single game this season and the crowd got up for this game just as much as others if not more.
It was a little disappointing seeing 3rd and 12 repeatedly knowing that the offense is going to convert a 20 yrd pass for a first down though. I would say the crowd got a little more low key late in the game but for the most part it was as loud as usual if not more.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Oct 12, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah ...
… that’s what I meant. They were quiet-er. And they had reason to be.
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by Truzenzuzex on Oct 12, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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