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Kentucky at Florida -- Quick impressions

First things first.  Congratulations to the Gators.  They earned this victory, and they deserve full credit.  Their fans, their team, their coach all worked very hard, and ultimately won fairly easily in overtime.  The Gators deserve more credit than I can give them, unfortunately.

You would not believe what I just deleted.  You wouldn't believe it.  And you really wouldn't believe how close I came to posting it.  But enough about that.

Kentucky gets all the credit in the world for guts and determination.  What they don't get credit for is winning the basketball game.  When we had the unfortunate team that was Pitino's first charges, we never got mad when they lost.  With this team it is, and aught to be, different.

I would love to post something positive, something inspirational.  But what can I say?  It would be ... irresponsible of me not to face the real fact that we cannot seem to win, even when we have personnel advantages.  That is something I am not used to.  Unfortunately, Gillispie & Co. do not seem to be able to duplicate effort.  I will give them this, though -- they do give effort, even if they are out of position 75% of the time, and give the ball away as though they don't want the damn thing.  It is kind of like watching a dog trying to do a task that you are trying to teach it.  They try, and try, and try with relentless determination, good homour and honest effort, only to fail over and over again.  When they occasionally succeed, you feel as though they have turned the corner, that the next time they will get it right.  But alas ...

Some stubborn part of me still retains hope for this team.  Against all reason, I refuse (or am unable) to crush it out of existence despite the overwhelming evidence that it is a complete fabrication of my emotional investment.  It's like being caught in quicksand, suddenly feeling like you have found sufficient purchase to get out of the awful mire, only to be sucked back in even deeper.

But I won't give up, even though I should.  This loss was not like MSU -- we were mismatched against them.  There is simply no excuse whatever for this loss from the standpoint of a Kentucky fan.  A team of freshmen beat us.  We even had Jasper and Meeks available, albeit at a significantly decreased efficiency.  No excuses.  We should be better, but Florida proved beyond any doubt that we are not better, or if this is "better," I pray to God I never see worse.  Not that Florida is bad, they aren't -- but they are much younger, and no more talented, at least on paper.  And frankly, Florida probably played the worst game of their season, and beat us anyway.

I have said enough.  Maybe tomorrow, sleep will have revived my optimism and suppressed the darkness that fills my soul at the moment.  This team should not be this bad.

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No congrats from me. lol
They beat UK. I'm not going to congratulate them for that.  They better enjoy it while it lasts.  The Boys in Blue will get them in Lextown.

How exactly did their fans work hard.  lol  Those kinds of statements crack me up.  Cheering your team on is not work, it's a pleasure and a privilege.

GO BLUE!!!

Who dares wins...

by The Lion of Panshjer on Jan 20, 2008 12:58 AM EST reply actions  

no congrats
nice lion im with ya @#$% the gators #@$@ there hard working fans. I personally am pissed this is a year of ramel and joe stinking up the joint no matter were they play. Iknow everyone will say well there getting 20 plus points per game but who wouldnt when all they look for is a shot. Im tired of the turnovers and bricks they have everygame ramel way more than joe. If you notice evey game comes down to well if ramel hadnt done this or hadnt done that we wouldve won and every one knows this is true. The best thing about the whole thing is lucky for all cat fans this is there last year.

by ukblue20 on Jan 20, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

The Effort WAS Good BUT
I thought the offense (in OT particularly) was Bad.

Coulda been a W but turned out 2B a L.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 20, 2008 1:12 AM EST reply actions  

We can...
...  resume our friendship now.

I know this is a tough time and I usually feel like I've been kicked in the balls when my team loses.  I'm not here to gloat, although BeatUL will have to deal with some unpleasant quotations in my comments for awhile.

Please do not visit my website right now.  I had to vent a little pent-up joy and I'm sure I'll be more reasonable in the morning.

Nothing is as bad as it seems...  nothing.  Kentucky fans knew this was a rebuilding year going in.  Perhaps P-Pat will now have a smoldering hatred of the Gators in future contests.  Hope not...  that guy's a terror, even if he had an off night.

Our youngsters were fortunate to win this one, especially with our abysmal free throw shooting.  (Jeezus, I almost threw a chair threw my television when Calathes missed two, got the rebound, then missed that shot too.)

Good luck 'Cats.

Orange & Blue Hue http://www.orangeandbluehue.com

by Gatorpilot on Jan 20, 2008 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

We lost this game...
for one big reason.  Fouls.  Let's face it, they made 10 more free throws than we attempted.  It seemed like every time we had them in trouble offensively, we would bail them out with a foul.  It's hard to beat a team on the road when you give them 40 free throws.  We only shot 18.  Some of that was ticky tack fouls called by a not so great officiating crew and some of it was our inability to guard without fouling.  But either way, we found a way to lose when we should have won this one.  I'm not giving up on them either though.  Where there is hard work and effort, there will be success.  I don't know when we will see it but it will come.  Maybe they will save it all for the SEC Tourney which looks to be our only chance to make the dance.
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by hoopchi on Jan 20, 2008 1:23 AM EST reply actions  

By the way, Tru...
...  the one area I'd disagree with you is in regards to talent and the differential you believe exists.  If there's anything the Gators had as an advantage over the 'Cats coming into this game, it was talent, and that was recognized at a national level with various pundits' takes on this game.  Before the game, I'd have said Florida is more talented than Kentucky at most positions, with the notable exception being center.  But it's also Florida's depth on the bench, bevy of shooters, length on the wing and most importantly, Nick Calathes and Jai Lucas, should have provided Florida an advantage in this game.

And I think it did, obviously.  Kentucky's advantage was experience, but unfortunately the guys with the most of that (seniors Bradley and Crawford) are also some of the least "basketball intelligent" players I've ever seen play the game.  

Patterson happened to catch Mo Speights on a night that the big 6'10" sophomore decided to flip the switch.  I don't recall the number of rejections that Speights had on P-Pat, but it was a lot.  Speights more or less had his way with Patterson in much the same way P-Pat did with A.J. Ogilvy of Vanderbilt.  It was a bit of a mismatch, actually, and Speights used his extra 2 inches on Patterson to full advantage.  (I was frankly amazed and shocked by this.)  It was Speights' best game of the year by far, but he'll have to keep the heat turned on.

Jasper played and contributed some big shots at key moments, and Meeks played hard and long enough to foul out, so while I'll grant you that they were no doubt something less than full strength after having sat out most of the week in practice, the fact is that they did play and they did help the Cats in their attempt to win.

Our freshmen and sophomores are simply really good, and they won this game despite TERRIBLE free throw shooting in regulation.  A lot of that's talent, but you can't overlook coaching.  How is it that our kids, who were playing high school ball last winter can take on a squad of guys who have been getting college level strength and conditioning training for 2-4 years...  and win?  The answer is coaching.  Billy Donovan is simply a master coach and he had a beautiful gameplan in place for this year's version of the 'Cats.

So I think your premise is slightly flawed.  Florida is young but they're quite good and Kentucky from top to bottom simply isn't quite at their level right now.  That might change in time, and maybe even this year as Meeks and Jasper get back in shape, but for now that's the simple truth.

"UK is going to beat UF twice this year. UF's amazingly soft schedule is going to come back to haunt them." --BeatUL

by Gatorpilot on Jan 20, 2008 3:21 AM EST reply actions  

Good Points
Florida has plenty of talent but just 9 on scholarship. All played in the game.

UK also has talent (11 on scholarship but only 7 play in the games).

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 20, 2008 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Having your cake, and eating it too.
So what is it GP? Coaching or talent?

You note in your first paragraph Florida's extreme advantage in the area of talent. I wholeheartedly agree, by the way. To illustrate that point a little more clearly, UK had two guys play a total of 31 minutes, neither would have hit the floor if they wore Gator orange.

But, at the end of your post you state that the reason UFA won is due to superior coaching by Donovan.

The question should be, "how in the hell did UK take us to OT?"

12,000 stoked fans, a stoked team, a very, very difficult arena to play in, made doubly tough because of the name on the opponents jersey.

If Donovan had such an advantage in the strategy department, the Gators would have won in a walk. Besides, it doesn't take Phog Allen to know how to defend, and attack UK. Everybody with ESPN knows that.

I'm not meaning to belittle Donovan. He is a fine coach, no doubt. But this Florida win was due strictly to the talent differential, not some mysterious magic that Donovan spun.

The fact that UK played them so close is a miracle in my book.

by Ken Howlett on Jan 20, 2008 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Donovan...
Ken, as usual you make good points.  Apparently I did not sufficiently elaborate.

I think it's talent brought along by coaching, and I say that because the game changers in this one were either freshmen or sophomores with just 3 SEC starts under their belt.

And they play as a TEAM which is something that has impressed me about our new team since the first game of the season.  I don't know how Donovan was able to utilize his young, inexperienced talent in such a choreographed fashion but I do believe it's evidence of his mastery of the game.

Things like missed FTs and turnovers will be corrected in time as these guys continue to grow up.  They are not indicative of a team with deep-seated, fundamental problems holding onto the ball and making clutch shots.

It's one thing to have talent, it's another to have 'em pulling together in one direction like our kids did.  That's what I was referring to with my comment.

"UK is going to beat UF twice this year. UF's amazingly soft schedule is going to come back to haunt them." --BeatUL

by Gatorpilot on Jan 20, 2008 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

We lost this game because
we have no bench.  Pain and simple.  UK's best five is as good as any in the SEC.  We have no depth and it showed last night.  I was there, it was obvious UK was worn down as the game went on.  UK handled the press very easily, but it did tire UK out somewhat.  Nothing Billy G. does this year will change that.  It is the result of the previous... well, you know.  

My other observations about the game are:  (1) Calathes is incredible.  He can do it all.  (2) Jai Lucas is good, VERY fast, but he is small.  I do not believe he will be all SEC any time in his career at UF.  Calathes was a much, much better point last night.  (3) Both UK and UF need a big man or neither program is likely to go deep in the NCAA's this year or ones to come.

by BeatUL on Jan 20, 2008 7:18 AM EST reply actions  

UK Depth
Stewart rarely plays but could be a good reserve F.

Carter never plays but could give 5-10 minutes in the post (C).

Porter is good for 5-10 minutes as back-up PG.

Stevenson is a capable reserve at PF or C.

Jai Lucas is a heckuva player, headed for All-SEC Frosh team.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 20, 2008 7:27 AM EST reply actions  

Lucas
was not a factor in last night's game.  Uf doesn't really need him.  Their offense runs through Calathes and he is their best point guard by far.  UK easily threw over Jai in the press and they physically dominated him defensively.  Maybe in a couple years he will become a more threatening player, but my impression from last night is that he is a very fast, very small guard who will easily be exploited in the SEC.  No way I would trade Jasper for Lucas. Jasper for Lucas; Jasper is better defensively, a superior rebounding guard and with his outside shot coming around, Jasper may be all-SEC befor ehe is through.

by BeatUL on Jan 20, 2008 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Reflections from the "O"
I will dedicate this post to the atmosphere and environment at last night's game in Gainesville.  

First, it was disturbing to see "2006 National Champions 2007" one the outside of the center"  I am jealous.

I had tickets waiting for me; a Gator friend hooked me up through the athletic department.  When I entered the arena and went to the Gator comp table the lady there looked at me and said, "what do you want."  I told her I was here to pick up my ticket.  She said, "you are a UK fan, why would I give you a ticket?'  I said politely, "Ma'am, I was told this is where I am to pick up my ticket."  She the replied, "look over there at the UK comp table, do you think they would give a Gator fan a ticket?"  I replied politely, "Ma'am i don't know what to say, I was just told to come here for mine."  She then went on a rude and nasty tirade about how rude I am to come to her table as a UK fan.  I was stunned but always polite and did receive my ticket.  

Once inside an older couple in UK gear sw me and came up to me and asked me "are UF people rude or what?"  I smiled.  They told me they tried to buy tickets outside from scalpers but two of them refused to sell them to UK fans and were nasty to them as well.

I (and many others) consider Florida fans to be the most arrogant in all of college sports and they continue to live up to that reputation.  Congrats on the win UF and congrats at being a-holes once again.

However, in fairness, once in my seat I was surprised that I did not receive one comment, not one word about being a UK fan in Gator country.  The students around me were nice and we talked a lot of roundball.  It was fun.

When the game started I was shocked at what appeared to be at least 1,000 empty seats.  However, after the game progressed and the t-shirts on the back of the chairs were all gone it was even more shocking.  There had to be at least 2,000 empty seats, maybe more.  I have a picture I will email to Tru that shows the very poor turnout.  I asked the people around me why and they said it was the weather and that student had left campus for the long, MLK weekend.  Uhm.. ok, way to support your team Florida.

It was neat to see the lower arena in the orange t-shirts, the middle in blue and the top in orange.  It did look cool.  The crowd was noisy and they were consistent with their Gator chomp and the very annoying "fantastic" after every UK turnover when the announcer would say "Florida's ball."  

UK fans, do not believe for a moment that the "O" compares to Rupp.  Do not ever believe the fans are as passionate or as loud as UK fans.  The "O" is 1/2 the size of Rupp and it is not as nearly as loud, not even close.  It is a good environment, but pales in comparison.  That is to be expected.  UF is a football school.  This is even more apparent when the loudest cheer of the night came when Tebo came out at halftime to address the crowd.  

Lastly, the halftime show featured the Gator dancers.  All they were missing were the poles.  It was an incredibly distasteful performance and the words "hoochie mama" came to mind.  Congrats UF, you have somethign to be proud of there.  Befitting of the most classless fanbase in college sports (IMO).

If I had to sum up the environment, the atmosphere in two words or less, it would be "football school."

by BeatUL on Jan 20, 2008 7:50 AM EST reply actions  

Perversely ...
this comment actually made me feel better.

What a wretched human being I am.

by Glenn Logan on Jan 20, 2008 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Tru...
my post was honest and accurate.  I don't understand the need UF fans have to be rude.  It is like they still have some massivde chip on their shoulders.  They own college sports right now, they need to get over it.

by BeatUL on Jan 20, 2008 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

This is the type of commentary...
... I like to see after a UF-UK game.

Bad fans, arena's small, and our Dazzlers are slutty.  Heh, heh.

It means we won.  :)

"UK is going to beat UF twice this year. UF's amazingly soft schedule is going to come back to haunt them." --BeatUL

by Gatorpilot on Jan 20, 2008 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

No it means
UF has the most arrogant, rudest classless fans in all of college sports.  Was true before we lost and is true after.  Oh, I never said the arena was small it is average.  But yes, the "Dazzlers" are slutty, that you have to admit.

by BeatUL on Jan 20, 2008 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

UK Won Back-2-Back NC In 1948 And 49
And nearly so (even 3-Peat) in 1996-97-98.

It happens about every 50 years if it happens at all.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 20, 2008 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

ridiculous
It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.  

Don't remember who said that but surely he intended it for thoughts such as yours.

Cheer for your program and leave your snobbish garbage unspoken.  You sound ignorant.  Crass.  Petty.  Your post is nothing more than poor sportsmanship.  Zero Class.

Who dares wins...

by The Lion of Panshjer on Jan 20, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

ridiculous?
It is only the truth.  UK and snobbish do not go together, but the college sports world does agree that arrogant and rude are very good desriptions of UF sports.  I mean, it was UF alumni that hired a plane and flew "Fire Ron Zook" over the Outback Bowl.  Classic and typical, they will devour their own even.  

Hey, you have bragging rights, enjoy it for now.    Why UF fans, when the program is the king of college sports, still have to be rude, classless and arrogant is beyond me.  Time to lose the giant chip on your shoulder.  There is no longer a need to try to prove or convince others you are worthy.

The way I was treated at the game didn't bother me, I found it amusing.  It happens every year.  However, if you want to apologize for the actions of your Gator brethren by all means go ahead.  Apology accepted.

by BeatUL on Jan 20, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

UF's talent vs. UK's
I don't know why UK fans are getting upset at being beaten by a young UF team.  The game was on the road and UK has only two upperclassmen.  As BCG said, highly recruited freshmen start thei college careers having play one ro two seasons worth of games against top sompetition.  They enter college seasoned players.

It is about talent.  Talent wins regardless if it is freshman or senior talent.  Ohio State made it to the championship game on the backs of two frosh.  The "Cuse" won it all riding Carmelo and that other frosh I cannot remember his name.

If Meeks and Jasper were 100% and could have player 30+ minutes each I am certain UK would have prevailed.  I am firmly convinced UK has five players better than UF's best five.  Coury, Harris and Stevenson logg 44 minutes; I doubt any of those three would have seen a minute for Florida.

by BeatUL on Jan 20, 2008 8:21 AM EST reply actions  

UK Needs To Rest Its Main Guys
And play its reserves a little more.

Bradley, Crawford, and Patterson played too much.

Guys like Stewart, Porter, even Carter too little.

If talent always wins, how did NC State beat Phil Slamma Jamma? Or Villanova beat Georgetown? Etc.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 20, 2008 8:54 AM EST reply actions  

Guys liek Stewart, Porter and Carter
should be played more.. at EKU.

There will always be upsets, and if you want to go into the way back machine and pull out great upsets from 20 - 25 years ago, go for it.  You like to argue for arguments sake and that is fine too.  In today's game talent is the key and if you argue otherwise you are either ignorant about college basketball or you just like to read your own bantar.

by BeatUL on Jan 20, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Cincinnati Beat Louisville In Freedom Hall
And UC has far less talent than U of L does.

Talent doesn't W the game every time.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 20, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Micro Managing Games again..........
We need to stop this micro analyzing of games.....There has been obvious improvement in the past 2 weeks (more in any 2 week period so far), we are not healthy (anyone notice that Jasper can actually shoot now which may be the most significant development of the season?) and the fact that our talent level from 6 - 12 is just not that good compared to past teams?  If Morris went pro prior to last year, the bar would have been so low this year because UK would probably not have made the NCAA tourney last year!  Anyway, I slept well last night...our kids fought hard, fought through yet another team where the officials were mediocre at best (we are not good enough to keep calls from killing us), and coach G coached his rear end off...We will probably not win Tuesday, but we are getting better....we could win the next 4 - 5 games after the UT game...I firmly believe that....just sit back and watch.....this season is a "practice season."  You can even hear it in the announcing crews about the development of this team....we are starting to win a lot of folks over....I am done...sorry for the ramble.  Tru, love this site....best on the net.

by Chuck Alexinis on Jan 20, 2008 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks, Chuck ...
but micro-analysis are what blogs are for.  That's what fan blogs do.

I don't know how Tuesday will turn out.  Keep in mind, no matter how powerful UT looks, they still have to come out on the court and prove they deserve the "W."  They can't just send us a copy of their stats and record and ask us to forfeit.

:-)

Improvement, sadly, is not what I am a fan for.  I expect improvement.  If Gillilspie can't improve this team, he should resign for incompetence.  But even though the team is improving, improvement isn't enough, at least for me.  I insist that we win games.

I insist.

by Glenn Logan on Jan 20, 2008 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree
Just meaning that micro analyzing may put us all in the looney bin.....anyway, we are getting better and we simply do not have the players that other teams have....we need to get healthy and get better players....that will take time as we can't trade for players nor call anyone up from the minor leagues....We will be okay in the long term for sure.

by Chuck Alexinis on Jan 20, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The 7 Or 8 Players In The Rotation
Are dog tired. No need to play 40 minutes EVERY GAME for the Big 3.

Let the subs play 2-3 minutes a half AT LEAST.

Yes, UK is better than L to G-W or SD in Rupp.

By Gawd, I Hope So!

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 20, 2008 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

Playing 40 minutes.............
I have no problem having those guys play the minutes that they do......IF we are going to try and win every game.  Spelling Bradley, Crawford, and Patterson can and has proven deadly for us.  IF we are going to continue to try and win every game, the unfortunate reality is that they must play those minutes.  It will happen again Tuesday night....also, there may be some relief after the UT game as the last 4 games were considered BIG AND TOUGH (U of L, Vandy, Miss St, and Florida) and now UT.  Starting next Saturday, we may be able to get on a roll and play lesser teams that will allow these 3 to rest....just my opinion.

by Chuck Alexinis on Jan 20, 2008 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

No offense, Tru. ...
But you're just failing to get over the fact that we stink, and you'll continue to suffer each game until you realize that, like the UCLA team Ben Howland inherited, the well is just poisoned, and no amount of references to prior UK teams will change that fact.

From wikipedia:

"The 2002-2003 season turned out to be the backbreaker for Lavin as the talent level at UCLA was no longer enough to overcome his deficiencies. The team stumbled to a 10-19 record and a 6-12 record in the conference. It was the first losing season for UCLA in over five decades. Lavin was dismissed following the season. ... However, Howland came into a program at the bottom of the Pac-10 with a roster not suited to his style. In his first season the club finished 11-17 and 7-11 in the conference."

Ignoring the final losing season -- Tubby managed 22-12 with no win over a team in the RPI top 30 -- this is the scenario we are going through right now, very much so.

This isn't to say that I take losing lightly. And in some ways, losing overtime/close games makes the losing even more unbearable.

But to wit, Ramel Bradley has played THE LAST FOUR GAMES in their entirety. Re-read that again. That is just preposterous.

Pat Patterson has played nearly the last three, Crawford, too.

And while Meeks and Jasper are "back," both look to be playing at about 40-50% of their abilities due to conditioning and nagging injury.

And yet you continue to claim that "...what can I say?  It would be ... irresponsible of me not to face the real fact that we cannot seem to win, even when we have personnel advantages."

Advantages over whom? Any experience "Advantage" we would have is lost when your player is gassed by halftime. Any "Advantage" we might have over a freshman backcourt is lost when two probable starters have played a combined 304 of a possible 640 minutes.

Think UF's record might be different if Calathes and Hodge missed half their games? What about if you just took two starters off any team?

This is not to imply that the injuries are the cause of losing, nor that to apply some sort of excuse to losing. No, we just have no margin for error. And combine that with a staggering amount of errors (turnovers, fouling three-point shooters, lack of guarding backdoor and pick n' roll plays...) and you have a 7-9 record.

As much as I'd love it to be different, this year is going to be about praying Patterson returns, establishing a mindset of defense and competitiveness that -- looking back on Tubby's 7-9 finish to 2007 -- was already much in decline.

Howland had also not won at a "traditional" power school, had never reached more than a Sweet 16, was often criticized as "too harsh" or "tough-nosed" and what we've seen is that he instilled a winning mindset that was lacking, despite Steve Lavin's generally successful Elite Eight and Sweet 16 runs at UCLA.

Through the looking glass, Howland has reached back-to-back Final Fours, with a good shot -- Saturday's loss notwithstanding -- to reach another.

What price are we willing to pay? We have to have faith, because based on what we're seeing from this year's Cats, that's about the only thing we have left ...

The Online home of Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Jan 20, 2008 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

I appreciate what you are saying ...
but I insist on winning games, and winning them this year.

There is no excuse.  This is Kentucky.  I have faith, but I also demand results.  This team is capable of delivering, and they just aren't.

by Glenn Logan on Jan 20, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah
I insist on getting Jessica Alba to pose for my nude photos, despite my not being a photographer, but it ain't gonna happen.

You're just being stubborn, which you're certainly inclined to be.

You're just also setting yourself up for a whole season of these type feelings.

The Online home of Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Jan 20, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, well ...
I can really appreciate the Jessica Alba comment, anyway.

:-)

by Glenn Logan on Jan 20, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

....but I will not hang this on the coach
I demand wins this year as well, but you take Morris off last year's team and we would have been just as bad as this year......we just don't have the level of talent overall to win at a high level....we are now going through the toughest stretch of games....we get past UT then we have 4 - 5 games that we should win...but you can't always get what you want....continuing down this path is not going to be healthy for you.  :)  That being said, I will let you shoulder my stress so I can enjoy the games more.  :)  Take care.

by Chuck Alexinis on Jan 20, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think ...
I even mentioned the coach, did I?

I am not hanging anything on him, except to the extent that the coach is part of the team.  I understand that Gillispie has some extraordinary challenges facing injuries and a shallow bench.  That isn't his fault.

This is a team we have, and it is a team problem.  Is it Gillispie's fault that we can't seem to get the ball into the low post?  I know he tells them to do that constantly -- how can he be to blame for the team failing to execute?

The coach can only teach, motivate and discipline.  He cannot play the game.  I don't know why you think I was fault-finding with the coach, but I'm not.  Not at all.

In fact, I thought Gillispie did fine last night.  No, he wasn't great, but he did fine.  He'll get better, and is getting better.  The team is getting better.  

But now, we need to win.

by Glenn Logan on Jan 20, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

.......I never coached D-1 basketball nor played
No..you did not mention the coach....nor am I qualified to say he did a good job or not....but it is obvious to me that he is now getting 110% effort from the guys he has....in time, that will translate to wins....just not right now.  

by Chuck Alexinis on Jan 20, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

He is ...
getting good effort from them.  They are just having trouble executing.  I can't say why, I can only say that they need to find a way to turn effort into success.  You need effort to get success, but effort alone is not enough.

I'm sure they'll work on it.  But we need to see some wins.  It is important that we do that.  Kentucky just can't mail in the season, and I know nobody is suggesting that, but I cannot just give up and say "We're bad and that's that."  Sorry, I'm not wired that way, and neither is 95%+ of Kentucky fans.

We need to find a way to win.

by Glenn Logan on Jan 20, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

My observation
was that UK and UF were evenly matched when the best players were ont he floor.  No way UF goes deep into the NCAA tourny.  The would get run of the court by UNC, UL and IU just like UK did.

UK is getting better.  1-2 in the SEC with two nail bitting losses to good teams on the road.  There is no shame in that.  UK will win it share of SEC games this year.

by BeatUL on Jan 20, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Take our licks
When I was in the 6th grade, I got in a fight with Jim Blue and we both had to get three licks from our teacher, Mr. Watrous. Now, Mr. Watrous was 6'2" and weighed in about 190 so this was a little more serious than Mrs. Edwards whacking you with the paddle ball paddle. Anyway, Jim cried and begged before, during, and after each of his three licks. I was a small but tough kid and took my three licks without a word or a whimper. Mr. Watrous always seemed to like me after that. This year the Cats are going to take their lickin's, we just don't know how many. Let's show some class. btw, Jim Blue ended up in prison for robbing a bank. I think Mr. Watrous is not the worst thing to ever happen to him.
Stinky Blue

by Stinky Blue on Jan 21, 2008 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Talent
Talent doesnt win every time BUT it wins plenty when the more talented team is getting up for the game. UF was eager to play us as we were them and they were prepared. I haent seen enough from UF's bench but their top 5 are pretty talented f young. I think the game goes the other way in Rupp.

GP- Billy D isnt a MASTER coach. That is one of the most rediculous statments I have ever heard. Is he a good coach YES. Did his teams always underachieve before he hired Larry Schyatt YES.  I know he has one two chips but it was with the same group of players. Im going to have to see another few deep deep runs with several different squads before I call him a master.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jan 20, 2008 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

master coach, et. al.
davw83, I would disagree with your assessment that Donovan isn't a master coach.

Donovan arrived at a school with little basketball success and took them to a Sweet 16 in his 3rd season and a Final Four (ended up NCAA Runner Ups) in his fourth.  Since his arrival, Florida has won outright or tied for an SEC title four separate times, won two SEC tourneys and made the NCAA tournament 9 straight times.

Oh, yeah.  He also won two NCAA national championships.

This 'underachieving' nonsense should be dead and buried by now.  From 2001-2005 we had two teams that failed to advance past the first round of the NCAA tournament, despite the fact that one (the 2002 team) tied for an SEC title and the other (2004) came in 2nd in the conference.  The 2001 team made it to the second round and again tied for the conference championship, posting a 24-7 record, and the '03 team went 25-8 before dying in the second round.

Disappointing?  Yes, but hardly the kind of disappointment BBN is now enduring at the hands of Billy Gillispie. Indictments of some sort of deep-seated inability on Donovan's part?  Hell, no.  These teams' NCAA berths were never seriously in doubt and I believe Kentucky fans can now appreciate just how difficult it is to go to the Big Dance year in and year out.

Kentucky fans like to say that Donovan captured lightning in a bottle with our '04s and that magical roster which won back-to-back national championships.  Perhaps so, but it wasn't Donovan's first taste of success.  The 2000 NCAA runner-ups featured a roster built by Donovan and was no fluke, either, going 29-8 for another piece of the SEC title.

What is truly amazing is what Donovan has done this year.  I overlook the 16-3 overall record because I, as well as any objective observer, recognize that the schedule was designed to give our young squad confidence going into conference play.  What I do take great pride in is the fact that the Gators are 3-1 in SEC competition, separated from perfection by only 2 points -- that road loss to Ole Miss.

It's one thing to wrangle a Top 1 or Top 2 recruiting class and manage to have freshmen that can contribute right away.  To have them playing cohesive team ball and stepping up the level that they have at this early point in their careers is a function of a master coach, because Donovan has accomplished far too much at age 42 to be 'lucky'.  A Sweet 16, 3 championship games and two national titles in 9 years is a hell of a long way from underachieving, my friend.

I contend that he is a master coach, one of the best to ever coach the game, and a future Hall of Famer.

"UK is going to beat UF twice this year. UF's amazingly soft schedule is going to come back to haunt them." --BeatUL

by Gatorpilot on Jan 20, 2008 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

I think ...
the substance of this comment is right.  I don't think it's really amazing what Donovan has done this year, but it certainly is a great job and praiseworthy.

I do believe that Donovan caught lightning in a bottle the last two years, but that doesn't change the fact that he is one of the best coaches in America, and neither were 2006 and 2007 his first successful season at Florida.

I don't call anyone a "master coach," although Donovan is certainly one of the best.  Circumstances and program strength, as well as experience and savvy, have too big an impact to impute all the success at any school to the coach alone.

But I think Donovan has earned the right to be called a great coach, by me, anyway.

by Glenn Logan on Jan 21, 2008 6:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree On Donovan
Used to think he was Run Of The Mill and maybe he was.

But now, back-2-back NCAA champs puts him with Rupp, Wooden, Jucker, Woolpert, Iba, and Wooden.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 21, 2008 6:10 AM EST reply actions  

Donovan is a good coach
but certainly not to put in the same league as Rupp.  That is a ridiculous statement.  My opinion still remains that UF is the current UNLV, not the new Duke.  Florida has a very good record on the back of an extremely weak schedule.

Funny thing, Florida fans and alumns wanted him out four years ago.  I am surprised they didn't pay for a plane to fly "Fire Billy D." over the O-Center.  

by BeatUL on Jan 22, 2008 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

2 NCAA Titles In A Row
Iba, Rupp, Woolpert, Jucker, Wooden, Coach K, and Donovan have done it.

He put himself in that category.

Read what I post, not what U think.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 23, 2008 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

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