1992: The cataclysm and its aftermath
It has recently come to my attention that there are some readers out there who did not live through March 28th, 1992, or were too young to remember the basketball game that completely changed the Big Blue Nation forever. Almost 15 years later, it is still having an impact, resonating through Kentucky history like the 9/11 or Pearl Harbor resonates through U.S. history. It was an event of such magnitude and power that even now, people will tell you that they remember exactly where they were and what they were doing at the time.
It is unfortunate that most of the events which had the same kind of impact on the Big Blue Faithful do not really compare well because of their geopolitical ramifications. Some may think it unfortunate in terms of importance to compare the 1992 Duke-Kentucky game to such terrible events as the assassination of President Kennedy, or even to 9/11/2001. But the fact is, if we are going to talk about the affect that game had on Kentucky fans, we have very few life experiences to compare it to. I am not alone in my comparison here, as Ritchie Farmer famously said, back before the events of 9/11:
-- Richie Farmer, Kentucky guard 1988-92.
The fact that 9/11 and Kennedy's assassination had an impact not just on Kentucky, but on the whole world, doesn't change the reality that they are the only two events in my personal life for which I can say I know exactly what I was doing, who I was with, and remember the events in stark relief as if they were etched into my mind by the finger of God. Those who grew up after 1992 can still watch the game on video, and read articles about it, but unless those articles are written by Kentucky fans, they often seem sterile and are almost always absent context. So I will tell you about my memories of this great game, and the events of the aftermath.

It was a beautiful day in Kentucky, in my recollection. A perfect spring day. The anticipation of the Duke-UK match up was electric, but reaction in the Commonwealth was fairly muted. Kentucky fans know thier basketball, and we all knew that Duke was far and away the better team in every measurable way -- talent, size, depth and experience. All-American senior Christian Laettner was the Duke team leader and captain, and he was surrounded by future All-Americans like sophomore Grant Hill and junior Bobby Hurley.
Regardless, the Commonwealth was tremendously excited by the prospect of playing for a Final Four berth, even though very few dared hope that Kentucky would actually pull it off. We were prepared for anything, even a blowout defeat or an upset victory. But nobody was prepared for what happened that night -- not Rick Pitino, or Mike Krzyzewski, or Cawood Ledford -- nobody.
The first half of the game was exciting for both teams. There was a lot of give and take. Kentucky lead in the first few moments, and by the first TV timeout, the Cats were still up. But by the second TV timeout, Duke had taken a lead it would not relinquish until very late in regulation. But just before the half ended, with only 15 seconds left on the clock, an event would occur that to the Big Blue Nation can best be described in the words of Frank Herbert's Fremen: "Never to forgive. Never to forget" -- the famous Laettner Stomp.

It happened strangely, when little-used UK sub Aminu Timberlake was fighting the much heavier and stronger Laettner for a rebound. A foul was called on Laettner, and Timberlake fell to the floor and rolled on his back. At this point, Christian Laettner inexplicably raised his foot and lightly stepped on Timberlake's chest. It was, as anyone who saw it will tell you, the absolute height of unsportsmanlike behavior -- not really intended to injure, but the ultimate act of disrespect -- spurning an opponent with your foot.
This outrage went utterly unnoticed by the officials, but the TV announcers commented on it quite a bit, and rightfully so. Timberlake made one of the two free throws, but they were not awarded because of Laettner's villainous behavior, but as a result of the rebound foul. No action was taken against Laettner by the game officials, although he arguably should have been thrown out of the game for such misconduct. Although Laettner received a technical foul for his misconduct, many, including me, thought that Laettner should have been thrown out of the game for his actions -- not because of an intent to harm a helpless man, but because what he did was so dastardly, so clearly deliberate, so filled with malice. The Big Blue Nation was now fully aroused in its wrath, and Duke, who previous to this point had been considered and honorable foe, became an enemy.
By the last TV timeout in the second half, UK was down 12 points, and most of the Big Blue Faithful were preparing to resign themselves to a noble, hard-fought defeat. I recall consoling myself at this point, and according the game log, this was with about 11:00 left in the game. Mashburn had 3 fouls, and had come within an eyelash several times of getting his fourth. Starting center Gimel Martinez had fouled out of the game. Duke was beginning to show it's superior skills, and things were looking bleak for the Valiant Underdogs.
But suddenly, after Kentucky's first charged timeout in the second half, the Wildcats came alive. Dale Brown made a driving layup and Mashburn drilled a three from the top of the key after a steal by Feldhaus, and suddenly, it was on again. Duke called time with 10:25 to go, and what followed will live in UK legend for all time.

From that Duke timeout, the first of their charged timeouts in the second half, until the next stoppage over 5 minutes later, both Kentucky and Duke put on the most astonishing display of offensive basketball ever seen in NCAA history. Dale Brown and Jamaal Mashburn, along with Christian Laettner and Thomas Hill, simply smoked the nets. History will record that in that 5 minute stretch, nobody from either team missed a shot from the field. In fact, from that point until the end of regulation, a combined total of only 3 shots would be missed from the field by both teams.
At this point, the Kentucky faithful had gone from resignation to realization -- this game was winnable, and not only that, we were on the brink of completing a remarkable comeback from probation to playing for the national championship in only three years. All the angst, doubt, anger, frustration and embarrassment that Kentucky fans had suffered since the famous Emory Air package fell open was on the verge of being expunged, and replaced by the joy and satisfaction of an unlikely return to the top of NCAA basketball. Combined with Laettner's earlier malefaction, it was this perception, this hope of redemption and righteous vengeance against a suddenly malevolent foe that would serve as the canvas upon which the overtime and its aftermath would be painted.
The overtime is often included in the description of the bewildering display of offensive skill, but really, it was all about huge shots. It seesawed back and forth, big shot after big shot, until Sean Woods made what we all thought at the time to be the biggest of them all -- an improbable runner, which looked kind of like an attempted layup from about 12 feet which amazingly banked hard off the backboard and somehow went straight into the basket. It was one of those "Oh, no ... YES!" kind of shots that nobody wanted to see him take except the opposition. But it worked out for the Cats.
At this point, there were only 2.2 seconds left in the game with the Wildcats ahead by one point, and I was sure we had won. I had no doubt of it. Nobody scored in games this huge from full court with that little time left. Except this time. When Grant Hill's pass arced smoothly toward Laettner, who hadn't missed a shot all day, I was yelling "Just tip it! Don't foul!" But we all know what happened. Pelphrey missed tipping it, Feldhaus backed off, and Laettner nailed the jumper just outside the foul line.
My wife and I were in shock, as we had been watching this whole game at home. At that point, we turned off the TV commentary and turned on WHAS and Cawood. We heard Cawoods famous signoff, and Krzyzewski's kind comments, praising defeated Kentucky. We were up late that night, but finally managed to go to bed. It wasn't till the next day that the full force of this game struck the Big Blue Nation like a tsunami.

Work on Monday was surreal. Nobody, not even the U of L fans, spoke about the game. It was very much as if someone in the office had died suddenly, and the grief was still too near for anyone to speak of it. Finally, around lunchtime, you could hear a few quiet conversations, short and sad. It was eerie. It took several days before things returned to normal. I have never experienced anything quite like it with respect to a sporting event.
A few days later, the unthinkable and unprecedented happened. In a ceremony unlike any ever conceived at venerable old UK, the jerseys of the team seniors were retired in the rafters of Rupp along with the great heroes of the past. This had never been done, and it was normal for players to wait many years for their jersey to find its way into a permanent place in the rafters. But extraordinary events were everywhere that year.
Even after we redeemed this loss in 1998 with Tubby's first team, the incredible event still resonates. This is the origin of Kentucky's "Duke hate", the spring from which our rivalry with the Blue Devils flowed. It is hard for those who grew up after this to really appreciate the hold this one game has over the Big Blue nation, the depth of sorrow at the stunning defeat, the ache in our chest over the foot insult by Laettner, the indignation at the condescensions of the Blue Devils and their fans. As proud as Kentucky fans are, this was the ultimate, deadly insult to our psyche, an insult much like Frodo Baggins' wound by the Morgul knife at the hands of the Witch King of Angmar on the watchtower of Amon Sûl.
Even in defeat, history will show that Kentucky returned to the pinnacle of college basketball. Just four years later, the Wildcats won their sixth national championship, and a short two years later, a seventh. Glory has returned to the House that Rupp built, and the agony of 1992 has been soothed by a successful return to the elite of NCAA basketball.
But every March around NCAA tournament time, when CBS inevitably replays the Laettner shot, we feel the wound in our hearts, and in our spirits. Like Frodo, our wound will never fully heal until we pass beyond the boundaries of this world. Its hard to imagine, sometimes, the power that "the human drama of athletic competition" can hold over our lives. This is one example of that power, as bitter and painful as it remains to those of the Wildcat Faithful who lived through it.

Update [2007-8-18 23:34:5 by Truzenzuzex]: Thanks to jimsumner of the Duke Basketball Report for pointing out that I misspelled Christian Laettner's name throughout the piece, now corrected. Also, the thread points out correctly that Laettner did receive a technical foul for that misbehavior, which I had forgotten and not accurately represented above. I have since corrected that part of my story as well. Thanks for the corrections, gentlemen.
Update [2007-8-19 7:26:27 by Truzenzuzex]: In the unlikely event some people didn't know what I meant when I wrote "the indignation at the condescensions of the Blue Devils and their fans", I am unsurprised to find that after all these years, almost nothing has changed. It's pretty instructive of many Duke fans to note not one hint of remorse seems to exist for Laettner's unsportsmanlike conduct. They seem to be content to point out endlessly that Laettner didn't actually intend to hurt Timberlake, and in my recollection of events, that is an inarguable fact.
The other inarguable fact that Duke fans don't address is that their continuing benign acceptance of Laettner's malicious act, which has apparently metastasized over the years into outright pride in the "stomp". In my mind, this is probably one of the biggest reasons for the continuing bad blood between the fans of the two programs.
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Well written
That's pretty much exactly how I remember that day. I, a Kentuckian by birth, had moved back home that spring after many years living out of state.
Watching the Unforgettables, with my roommate, in our basement, that spring was a wonderful homecoming. The team was just a heckuva alot of fun to watch all year long.
That day I rushed home from a business trip to find my roommate gone. So, alone in that basement I went from
- "This will be the end of a nice season"
- "We might win this game!"
- "We've won this game!"
- "I don't believe what I just saw"
Yes, Kentucky was a funeral state for many days.
I suppose the fact that I read this and needed to comment on it - after so many years, so many articles and so many replays - is a testimony to the emotion of the year and the moment - and the quality and accuracy of your recap.
Thanks
by run and gun on Aug 18, 2007 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One more thought
As one who has travelled the country on business for many years, I've long grown accustomed to the admiration that fans around the country have for the KY program...sometimes I think we are appreciated even more from afar.
But I will never forget the first few trips after The Game..........everyone, everywhere...fans of all teams needed to comment...and tell me how proud they were of "those KY boys"
No team in defeat has ever garnered more love, admiration and support........from fan and foe
by run and gun on Aug 18, 2007 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's true ...
But even now, after all these years, I blanch when they show that shot. I don't think I'm the only one, either.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 18, 2007 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Satan Laetner hit that shot...
I give Satan Laetner his due; it was the greatest performance by a basketball player ever. That is not a reach and I hate it. Only Vince Young's performance against USC compares and even then I don't think it was as good.
by Catfan on Aug 18, 2007 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was indeed ...
From the standpoint of sportsmanship, it was less than stellar.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 18, 2007 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greatest ever, though?
But so is Jack Givens' performance in 1978.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 18, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greatest Game Performance Ever?
At the risk of hijacking this thread.......Bill Walton in NCAA Finals against Memphis
I'll vote for Walton over that duke guy (who surely cannot be a Christian)anyday
by run and gun on Aug 18, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed the greatest basketball performance even.
As much as I am a UK homer, Givens game, although one of the best ever, doesn't come close and nethier does Walton's. Not many outside of KY can tell you about Given's game. Mention the two words "Laettner's shot" and ever college basketball fan knows exactly what you are talking about.
by Catfan on Aug 19, 2007 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Respectfully, no............it was Bill Walton
Bill Walton - 1973 NCAA championship game against Memphis State, when he hit 21-of-22 shots in the Bruins' 87-66 win.
21 of 22.....Championship game not regional final
How odd to see a Cat Fan argue in favor of christian........have never seen that before
by run and gun on Aug 19, 2007 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Respectfully yes.
Which is what happened in 1973. UCLA blew out Memphis and they would have likely done so without Walton (ok, we will never know).
Walton's game, one of the greatest ever, comes up short because that game was never in doubt. In the UK vs Duke game every shot counted, every point counted and every possession counted. When you consider the perfect performance by Satan Laettner was punctuated by the greatest shot ever in college basketball (is there any doubt to that), then I argue that no other performance even comes close. It is Laettner's performance by itself then all the other great ones in a totally different category.
I will give the devil his due, noone else is worthy.
by Catfan on Aug 19, 2007 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Walton
But I have have enjoyed the unusual rarity of a Laettner backer - on any subject - on SOB
by run and gun on Aug 19, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Greatest game - UK vs Duke 92, perhaps....although my personal preference is UK vs Duke 98
Individual performance - Walton - 21 of 22 from the field - the reason it was a blowout game was BECAUSE of his performance - have never seen a man dominate any game, let alone a natl championship in such a way........and it was for all the marbles, not a regional
Still interesting that a Cat Fan would go to the wall for Laettner....
by run and gun on Aug 19, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what can I say..
It is ok to admit you are wrong.
FYI, I think OJ was an incredible running back, but......
by Catfan on Aug 19, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
We agree to disagree
You take Laettner, I'll take Walton
by run and gun on Aug 20, 2007 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thre greatest game & the greatest shot
by Catfan on Aug 19, 2007 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Etched in my mind as well
for my part, I had moved to Oklahoma two years earlier, lamenting the fact that Pitino's valiant restoration of Rome was taking place 12 hours away. That year we were able to be on TV and attend post season play, so it was awesome. Having returned to Lex over Christmas break and witnessing the dismantling of Louisville and some other hapless team, my hopes were high for our beloved Cats. I returned to Tulsa with my treasured "3" card, which promptly graced the wall of my cubical.
to reach the Tourney was considered a great feat, but to be playing Duke for a chance to return to the final four, well, that was magic.
I have strong remembrance of several games (my first UK live game in Memorial Coliseum and Rupp, among others) but the memory of THE game in '92 is still very fresh in my mind, as is the aftermath.
Returning to work on Monday, one of my jokester co-workers had turned the 3 on it's side, looking like a dead armadillo. Not cool at all.
The analogy to Frodo's old wound is excellent as every time I see the replay of that shot or even hear the word Laetner, I get a dull pain and sick feeling in my gut.
by TulsaCat on Aug 18, 2007 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 1998 Tourney Win Over Duke
in Tampa must be mentioned in this conversation....what a comeback!....seeing the Cats blaze past the polish point guard nearly sent the polish coach into cardiac arrest....the game cannot match 1992 for upset potential, emotion or a film clip that we'll have to stomach for eternity but it was sweet revenge and certainly a duke nightmare to this day
by run and gun on Aug 18, 2007 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FRODO FRIGGIN' BAGGINS?
by HowBlue on Aug 18, 2007 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What... no fan of Tolkien???
by cthom on Aug 18, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry ...
As you may have guessed, I am into Sci Fi and fantasy since ... well, birth, and I like to sometimes use it in my writing, especially a cultural icon like the Lord of the Rings. Besides, my style is my style.
But I'm glad you liked the rest!. :-)
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 18, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great entry
First, UK went into this game as an underdog. The fact that we took Duke to overtime and almost beat them was an incredible feat. Sure, I would have DEFINITELY liked to have won -- we came sooooo close. And yet I'm proud of what the team accomplished that day. But, in the end, Duke beat us and marched on to a NC.
Second, I see a lot of parallelism with that game and our 1998 win over Duke. In that game, WE came back to beat them and WE marched on to a NC. (However, from a PR perspective, there wasn't a gripping 2 second video clip that summarized the win as well as Laettner's did. I think Padgett's response to a clutch shot came close, but it was never seized upon by the media. So, despite the parallelism in events, there isn't parallelism in video clips.)
In summary, we can't take away the drama of that final 2 seconds in 1992 but I can say that we have great reason to hold our heads high and know that this one event does not define us. When I think of a UK-Duke score, I think 7-3.
by dcscm on Aug 18, 2007 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1992
by CAWebb on Aug 18, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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I kind of wish I was there to see something so momentous but then again I know the hate I have for Laetner and the Dukies would probably be much greater if I had seen it so Im not sure I would want to.
The first time I really remember being into UK sports was the 97 national championship and everything that followed after so the 92 game was just a little before my time.
by davw83 on Aug 18, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me Too
Almost everyone was rooting for Duke. They had the media induced view of UK as a tainted program, and Duke as the epitome of all that was goodness in college basketball. But they did not have my (and your) historical perspective from having grown up in a small Kentucky town - Maysville - where basketball was life.
As I was screaming for at least a technical foul on Laetner, they were laughing at the lack of such a call. (I'll never understand why it was not made.)
Anyway, after Woods' shot, I jumped up and went behind the couch -- with a terrible premonition that shortly became true.
I too had tears in my eyes that were hard to explain to my friends -- a grown man crying over a basketball game. There is simply no way to explain to others just how much it means to us unless you are born and raised there.
The metaphor regarding Frodo is certainly apt; UK fans will feel the pain forever.
Catfan from long away but always.
by longtime on Aug 18, 2007 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cat Fans ...
You know, it's easy to be a UK fan here in Louisville. It's a lot harder far away from Lexington, who knows where, a long way from the support system UK fans have around here, and elsewhere in the state.
I feel ya. One day, when I move to my retirement location in South Carolina, I'll be closer to like you than like I am now. I have to wonder how that will feel.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 18, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another "Where I Was When It Happened"
(This comment just goes to prove that I still can't discuss the game in any detail. A "wound [that] will never fully heal until we pass beyond the boundaries of this world" indeed.)
Nice piece, Tru.
by Kilgore Trout on Aug 18, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
It just doesn't quite come to mind as quickly, I suppose, because it wasn't "real time". You miss a lot when you are at depths > 200 feet, and speeds >20 knots ...
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 18, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you been shorn today?
We actually owe DBR a little thanks. I believe the original intent of this thread was to help our younger fans appreciate the details of 1992. DBR helped out a bunch by giving a modern day example of Dookieness
While DBR has many nice things to say about UK (which I'm sure he'd be quick to point out), he cannot resist showing the true, prideful and arrogant Duke spirit.
by run and gun on Aug 19, 2007 7:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's true ...
I confess, I think some of the conversion of Laettner's actions from regrettable behavior to justifiable impudence (in their minds, at least) comes from the fact that so many of us (me included, apparently) are unwilling to let this game go. Sometimes I feel like Ahab, clinging to the whale:
Ah, well. We have to have something, I suppose, to help stoke the blood when rivals clash. It's probably more healthy than Ahab's obsession. At least, I still have my leg.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2007 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stomp...
It just wasn't a big deal and UK fans blow it out of proportion like we do everything associated with our basketball team. Satan Laettner was called for a technical, the absolutley correct call, and the game proceeded as it should have.
by Catfan on Aug 19, 2007 8:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The shot ...
The "stomp", and the subsequent acceptance, even glorification of it by some Duke fans, is what stokes my blood. The shot merely brings back the memory.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2007 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Stomp
by rpierre87 on Aug 19, 2007 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for coming by ...
I don't think I used the word "revel", and I agree, I have never seen a Duke fan say words to the effect that Laettner was right to step on Timberlake. But I don't see anything resembling regret for that act, either, nor an understanding of how malicious and wrong it was.
I think Duke fans have filed it under the category of "part of the game", but it isn't. No amount of trash talk, invective or other verbal abuse justifies spurning an opponent, on his back and helpless, with your foot.
Duke fans should acknowledge this fact every time the incident is brought up. Unfortunately, I don't think that will happen, because as I say, it has now been justified and re-justified over and over again, just as you have implicitly done here. It has metastasized into something acceptable under certain circumstances, which most Duke fans nowadays seem to impute to the UK players.
Thanks for the kind good wishes, and consider them returned. Hopefully, our teams will meet again soon.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2007 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't attach the hate...
That is the norm for the NBA though, just look at the last Conference Playoffs. Those were a pathetic display of athleticism, but they sold alot of tickets to watch rich men in NBA uniforms act like a bunch of 5th graders during recess. Ohhhh...that's right - they are entertainers, not athletes. Maybe that's why we can't win a Gold medal in the Olympics anymore. That's probably also why Laettner excelled at the college level so much, but did not accomplish anything at the pro level - not enough acting classes at Duke...
by blueblood on Aug 20, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Until roundball season heats up.....and in-between football posts.......I, for one, would like to see more posts like 1992 Cataclysm....in depth analysis and discussion of great moments in UK history.....good to relive....good for those who weren't here yet
by run and gun on Aug 19, 2007 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WIldcats thunder blog is doing a lot of that...
by blueblood on Aug 20, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1992 Duke Game
by Chuck Alexinis on Aug 19, 2007 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn...
Sheesh.
Thanks for the correction.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2007 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How interesting
How interesting that I should just have created my profile here a week or so ago and in my bio included that the Laettner shot was my JFK moment (although I am too young to remember the actual JFK moment) and here a week later is a post dedicated to that very thought. I can't believe how dead on the Frodo reference is. For years I've been unable to describe the sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I hear the name "Laettner;" finally, I have an apt metaphor.
As it's virtually impossible to add anything to this excellent recap, I'll note a borderline worthless observation from my dorky hobby - editing Wikipedia. I notice in checking the edit history on Laettner's article that there has been some back-and-forth between editors on both sides as to how to characterize the stomping incident. The present paragraph obviously reads from a Duke-biased standpoint:
"Laettner also became known for another incident in the same Duke-Kentucky game. As Kentucky's Aminu Timberlake was lying on the floor after a foul, Laettner stepped on his chest. Unhurt, Timberlake got up laughing and clapped, and Laettner was assessed a contact technical foul on the play, but was not suspended. Laettner later said "There was nothing vengeful in it. I had to put my foot down because I needed some balance. I didn't step hard. They (the Kentucky players) realized that. They didn't think it was a dirty play."
Attempts to change "stepped on" to "stomp" have been met with resistance and snarky edit summaries like "Reverted UK fans' ridiculous bitterness. It's been 15 years guys, get a life." No one will consider letting "stomp" remain, nor will they entertain a compromise like "stepped on (some say 'stomped')" because they can't find a major news outlet that would report it for what it was at the risk of tarnishing the Golden Boy image of Laettner and the Dookies.
As many have mentioned, the only thing that comes close to easing this pain is the comeback in '98. That one ended just before church started, and there was a mass influx of parishioners coming from their cars where they had been listening to the game on the radio! And of course, there is some satisfaction derived from knowing that Laettner spent the last years of his NBA career taking punishment from Shaq - who I never cared much for in his own right - in practice and warming the bench next to Michael Doleac.
by Acdixon on Aug 19, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh ...
Well ... :-)
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'92 Duke game
by D UK E on Aug 19, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am sympathetic ...
It's high time Duke fans admitted that, although I think at this point many, even most, never will.
Even though I refer to it as the "Stomp" in my piece, I want you to understand that I know it was no such thing. Laettner deliberately, but clearly not with intent to injure, stepped on Timberlake's chest.
But the malice behind it was what offended me then, and the tendency of many Duke fans to rationalize it, along with Laettner's transparently lame explanation makes it impossible for me to forgive now.
Thanks for coming by and posting. Even if I don't agree with your take, I appreciate you taking the time to do so. Good luck to you and your team this year, and may we meet again on the floor very soon.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another Duke perspective
I thought I would add one more explanation for why Duke fans don't offer up much more than lip service when we discuss Laetner's "stomp." For years, the rap on the Duke program was the we were "soft." It probably stemmed from having a higher than average percentage of white players, Duke's academic reputation, and the relative lack of powerful, athletic big players enjoyed in large numbers by other top programs. And a lot of us Duke fans, let's face it, were far better in the classroom than on any court or field. Compared to the crowds at a Carolina, N.C. State, or Maryland game, we looked and sometimes felt pretty soft.
I can't and don't speak for other Duke fans, but I can tell you that as a Duke fan, I felt we were pushed around for decades. Until the stomp.
The stomp - more of a tap, as the post acknowledges - was an unsportsman-like, arrogant act that has no part in college basketball. It could have triggered a dangerous, bench-clearing brawl. But deep down, I loved it. I admit it. Christian was another soft-looking Duke boy, but he was physically dominating his opponents and making sure everyone watching knew about it.
Unbeknownst to those of us who weren't deep-insiders in the Duke basketball program, apparently Christian could be just as big of a tool to his own teammates, but even if I had known that, I still would have privately rooted him on. Like Barry Bonds without the steroids, he might have been a jerk, but he was our jerk.
Now if he had been tossed from the game for the stomp and Duke had lost, almost no Duke fans would have stood by him as with Zidane and the French national soccer team fans. But he wasn't, and I would give him his choice of my daughters to this day.
I can offer only my condolences - no apologies. We took no special joy from watching Kentucky suffer. We felt no particular rivalry before the game, and not until long after the game, when we realized just how much you hate Duke, did we even begin to care about the rivalry. But not much. Heck, a lot of us root for Kentucky, probably out of some residual guilt for "the stomp" and "the shot." And I'm guessing that might just make you hate Duke even more.
by duckdevil on Aug 19, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You all are still soft.
But I do agree that the attitude Laettner brought was necessary and very important to that team. It was highly visible and that is the problem. But physically, it was much less harmless than many of the ingame elbows, crotch grabs and butts in the nutts that constantly go on (and those of you who have played at a high level know what I am talkign about).
But my soft Duke friend (ok, you are not my friend), I have never met a Duke fan that roots for UK, especially after beating you in '98 on our way to our umpteenth National Championship.
By the way, the UNC vidoe about Duke "This is Why You Suck" almost makes me a UNC fan. I think Duke has always has a chip on its shoulder being the little brother of UNC in North Carolina.
by Catfan on Aug 19, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admire ...
I can't even blame you for loving it deep down, because there is that dark side in all of us, and even as we try to minimize it's influence, to deny it is to deny the reality of ourselves. I am reminded of the Star Trek Original series episode, "Mirror, Mirror".
Schadenfreude is a time-honored tradition between rivals that I can totally appreciate, and I don't hold that against you at all. Taking pleasure in the pain of rivals is something we do here as well, with no apologies.
And nothing could make me "hate" Duke any more than I already do. :-)
By the way, thanks for the compliment, and thanks for coming by and participating in the discussion.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, so I'm soft . . .
Yeah, we have a chip on our shoulder about UNC, especially the older fans who had to endure the Dean Smith years. We know a little something about agonizing heartbreak.
For the record, I agree that "This is Why You Suck" is unbelievably funny. My only gripe is that no one has come up with a decent response.
Also for the record, while many Duke fans may be soft and nerdy, I for one can't recollect the "Mirror, Mirror" Star Trek episode. So even though you didn't get into Duke, Truz',you obviously had Duke potential. ; )
Seaofblue is a great site, so I hope you don't mind me lurking this season. Good luck Cats. I mean it.
by duckdevil on Aug 19, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are more than welcome ...
Thanks for the praise, we appreciate it.
I actually had the wrong episode. It wasn't "Mirror, Mirror" -- that's were a couple of the Enterprise officers were transfered to a parallel universe where the Nazis had won WWII and the Federation was very much like the Klingon Empire.
The one I was thinking of was "The Enemy Within", where Kirk is split into two -- a benign, thoughtful but indecisive half, and a strong, decisive but amoral half.
Anyway, you are always welcome, I've enjoyed your comments.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might I add...
Perhaps it's karmic payback for 1992, or perhaps a few item, but let's not start acting affronted that some fans enjoy others' misery.
The Online home of Big Blue Nation ...
by JL Blue on Aug 20, 2007 7:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed ...
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 20, 2007 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Often Pondered
by Idiod on Aug 20, 2007 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My evil brother . . .
by olddoc on Aug 20, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wojo bending
by olddoc on Aug 20, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NO You HAVENT
He got up and clapped his hands as soon as he stood up.
I can still hear Packer screaming What's he doing to Wojo? over and over.
I wanted to reach through the television screen and choke Billy packer.
by davw83 on Aug 20, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If memory serves me correctly....
Anyone have a copy of this game? I would really like to have someone tell me that they saw this as well. So far, I'm the only one who saw it. I remember asking the people in the room with me when I was watching the game, but no one was paying attention after the shot.
by blueblood on Aug 20, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I should have read it first.....
by blueblood on Aug 20, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laettner
To allow Laettner to get away unscathed from that incident is inexcusable. Winston Bennett or Mel Turpin, or any number of past or present 'Cats, would have taken retribution, without question, in a New York minute.
One can't really blame Laettner for being a punk, anymore than one can blame a dog for being a dog; he can't help it, it's how he was raised.
As upset as I was with the UK team, Pitino quickly proved to be quite the "billy", goat that is, when he chose to not guard the inbound passer. Bonehead, fundamentally inept coaching cost those boys a trip to the Final Four. K knew it, which is why he made the comments he made, after the game, to Ledford.
To have one of the greatest basketball games ever played, at any level, sullied by such an elementary error in judgment is "unforgettable", and unforgivable. Pun intended.
by Ken Howlett on Aug 20, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing....
by blueblood on Aug 20, 2007 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mashburn
A team simply cannot allow themselves to be pushed around.
by Ken Howlett on Aug 20, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all...
by blueblood on Aug 24, 2007 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Blueblood
On the contrary, I am sure you understand exactly what I refer to. Our responses to the offensive action are simply divergent, that is all.
Just because I feel as if more could have been done in response to Laettner, doesn't mean I feel everyone should feel the same way. My own father disagrees with me rather vociferously.
As a final thought, it is rather difficult to respond to such an abhorrent act, during the game, in an "intellectual" mannner. But I do understand why one would not agree with my philosophy.
by Ken Howlett on Aug 24, 2007 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my mind ...
I am not saying that a nudge or two into Lattner's ribs reminding him, or a hard but clean foul or an exceptionally solid screen at mid court wouldn't have been OK -- you have to stand your ground in basketball, just like in life.
But a malicious act similar to Laettners, wouldn't have been OK, it would have been wrong, and I'm glad it didn't happen.
by Truzenzuzex on Aug 21, 2007 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laettner
By the way, I would have done the same thing to 'Sheed Wallace in '95. His intimidation tactics worked against Pitino's soft squad. When Wallace choked, heck, I forget who it was, it changed the complexion of the entire game-(UK was up double-digits)-Resulting in a UK drubbing at the hands of the Heels. If UK responds as they should have, perhaps the outcome of that particular game would have been different.
I suppose we'll simply have to disagree on this point.
by Ken Howlett on Aug 21, 2007 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke Game
http://www.kentuckysportsradio.com/
by davw83 on Aug 21, 2007 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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