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Update [2007-6-11 18:0:16 by JL Blue]:

After reflecting on my picks, I cannot believe I slighted Anthony Epps for anyone, much less Roger Harden. Consider me forever damned for not thinking more about results and less about raw numbers...

In lieu of continuing to either report on manufactured news or Florida goings-on, let's shift gears a bit this week. While we wait (again) for Jai Lucas to decide on a school (again), perhaps it's good to think about why exactly getting a true point guard is important, and what such a scenario has meant for Cats fans in the past.

To that end, we present the first in a six-part series of looks at the best five starters and reserve over the last 27 years (i.e from 1980).

Thus, first up: Point Guard.

[Ed. note: The timeline is simply easier for both the writers and vast majority of the readers of this blog, as well as what I consider to be the 'modern era' of college hoops. This is not a comprehensive list, and thanks to Kentucky's grand history, many of the greatest players in UK lore will clearly be missed.]

(1) Wayne Turner, 1996-1999 (#1 steals, #4 assists, 1996 Final Four*, 1997 Final Four, 1998 Final Four)

The rabid fans of the Big Blue Nation knew they were getting something special when word of incoming freshman Wayne Turner's 70+ point outing as a high schol senior made its way to Lexington. What they did not know is that Turner's UK career would be more about controlling tempo, swiping the ball and floor leadership than it would be about putting up points. Turner, a stupefyingly quick Mickey D's and Parade All-American out of Boston, finished his career as the all-time school leader in steals and games played (151), and participated in three Final Fours in his four-year career, earning two rings along the way. But for all his accolades, Turner will be best remembered for a non-Final Four game, Kentucky's unforgettable comeback against Duke in the 1998 Elite Eight. In that game, all of Turner's best attributes were on display, as he drove repeatedly past Duke's heralded defender, Steve Wojciechowski, taking the Blue Devils' double-digit lead with him. Never blessed with a deadly jump shot, Turner instead relied on a nearly unstoppable floater in the lane and a crossover and burst of speed few at the college level could match. A member of the 1,000-point club, Turner's legacy is as a steady and consistent winner. For a point guard, there can be no higher praise.

* Did not play in 96 FF final win over Syracuse

(2) Dirk Minniefield, 1980-1983 (Career UK #1 assists, #10 steals, NBA 2nd Rd.)

The greatest player in my high school's history (Lexington Lafayette) came to Kentucky as part of one of, if not the, best incoming class in Big Blue history. A McDonald's and Parade All-American, Dirk was quick as lightning and possessed the physical attributes of a defensive back. How good was Minniefield? He played in all but one game of his frosh year despite the presence of All-American Kyle Macy. Never a big-time scorer at the college level, as many of the guards on this list were not, Minniefield nevertheless averaged in double figures in two different years, topping out at just over 11 ppg in 1981-82 when he was also SEC Tournament MVP. Dirk completed his Wildcats career as the top assists man in school history (figures kept since 1962). He also provided Kentucky fans with one of its greatest single plays.


(3) Travis Ford, 1992-94 (#9 assists, 1993 Final Four)

The pride of Madisonville (KY) took a circuitous route to Rupp Arena, but shone once he got there. Not recruited by departing coach Eddie Sutton, Travis Ford began his career at Missouri, but transferred to Kentucky once new coach Rick Pitino took over. The fit with the fiery, cerebral Pitino was a perfect one, and the three-time Academic All-SEC Ford excelled in Pitino's high octane attack. Ford appeared in 33 games his sophomore (first) year in White and Blue, playing primarily behind senior Sean Woods. Once handed the reins, however, Ford proved a superb floor leader and is one of the best three-point marksman ever to suit up in Kentucky digs. Ford's junior season (1992-93) saw the return of Kentucky's greatness in a Final Four trip to New Orleans. On the backs of Jamal Mashburn's considerable presence on the court and Ford's ridiculous 52.9% shooting from behind the three-point arc, the 1993 Wildcats blitzed their way to a 32-4 record, with Ford earning All-SEC, NCAA Regional MOP and SEC Tourney MVP honors along the way. The hard-working and aggressive Ford, listed at a generous 5'9", would go on to a sterling coaching career the hard way, graduating from tiny Campbellsville College (KY) to Eastern Kentucky and then on to UMass of the Atlantic 10. What happens next would surely surprise no one who watched Ford go from a decent but undersized sub to the catalyst for one of the nation's best teams.

(4) Rajon Rondo, 2005-06 (#10 steals, top 20 assists, NBA 1st Rd.)

The final member of this list will no doubt elicit the most debate, but if talent and athletic ability were currency, Louisville native (Via Oak Hill Academy) Rajon Rondo would have been a rich man long before the Phoenix Suns made him the 21st overall pick in the 2006 NBA Draft. Rondo was a triple-double threat the moment he walked on the court, and while he never reached that milestone in his two years in Lexington, the numbers the long-limbed Rondo posted were still eye-popping nonetheless. Despite lacking the caliber of teammates of some of the others on this list, Rondo posted 285 assists in just two years, becoming the only two-year player to crack the top 20. But Rondo's real commodity was his defense, the trait that helped him to a Kentucky single-season record 87 swipes in 2004-05. Rajon's Kentucky legacy has the taint of what is now considered a subpar overall record, but while rumor and innuendo have unfairly tarnished Rondo as a selfish player or some sort of clubhouse cancer, without him who knows what the end results of his two seasons might have been. It's a weak argument to think that the team would have fared better with Rondo elsewhere. As a former Wildcat, Rondo will no doubt represent his former school well. He should be afforded such respect in return. For a better look at Rondo's amazing talents, look no further ...


(4) Roger Harden, 1983-86 (#3 assists, 1984 Final Four*, NBA 5th Rd.)

Often overlooked due to his talented backcourt mates, Indiana Mr. Basketball Roger Harden had to wait for his star turn. But once he was given the chance, Harden did not disappoint, compiling 374 of his 498 career assists in his last two seasons. Never a scorer by trade, Harden was the quintessential lead guard, setting the table over and over for two-time All-American Kenny Walker. Despite a lack of eye-popping overall numbers, Harden provided the leadership that nearly got the 85-86 Cats into the Final Four and drove them to a 32-4 season in Eddie Sutton's first season. A former Parade and McDonald's All-American, Harden's selflessness is precisely the sort of game a true point guard must have.

* Played just 2 min. in FF loss to G'Town

(5) Ed Davender, 1985-1988 (#11 points, #8 assists, #4 steals, NBA 3rd Rd.)

Joining a team depleted after the departures of Final Four stars Sam Bowie, Mel Turpin and Jim Master and featuring only Bret Bearup and Troy McKinley as seniors, McDonald's and Parade All-American Ed Davender made an immediate impact on Joe B. Hall's last UK team, finishing second to Kenny walker in team scoring. A quick and nimble slasher, Davender helped lead the 85-86 Cats to within an LSU loss of the Final Four in a season few expected to go that far. More of a scoring threat than Minnieifield, Brooklyn's finest was truthfully more of a combo guard, sliding over to the two spot for his first two seasons before manning the point in his last two. An all-around talent, Davender is one of only two UK players ever to finish his career in the top 15 in assists, steals and points (Keith Bogans is the other). While he may not have been a true point guard his entire career, Davender's completle-court play and willingness to pass and defend merit inclusion on this list.

Poll
Who is the top PG since 1980?
Wayne Turner
50 votes
Rajon Rondo
4 votes
Dirk Minniefield
7 votes
Ed Davender
4 votes
Roger Harden
4 votes
Travis Ford
16 votes

85 votes | Poll has closed

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Should have added ...
Other considered: Sean Woods, Cliff Hawkins, Anthony Epps

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by JL Blue on Jun 3, 2007 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All things considered...
I agree with the above comment.  Cliff Hawkins was as speedy as they come.  Anthony Epps always had a knack for hitting the big 3.  Sean Woods was just plain and simply a winner.

by toyotarick on Jun 3, 2007 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No Way..
.. You should have put Ford over Turner.. 3 FF's to 1, 2 NC to 0 and #9 in assists to #4, the two don't compare, IMHO

-D

"By the time Gillispie is done running Louisville out of the state, the Cardinals will be getting their mail in Missouri."- CBSsportsline

by CatDaddy on Jun 3, 2007 12:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to apologize
I had not RANKED the guys ... simply written them out. Sorry.

Has been fixed.

Turner was the No. 1, I just forgot to FINISH THE JOB.

Duh.

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by JL Blue on Jun 3, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo's a joke
Any of the three listed above I would take over Rajon without hesitation.  Who cares where he got drafted or what he'll ever do in the pros, which won't be much besides play some 'd'.  This is about his tiem at UK.  Epps was a big factor on the 3 UK teams in the mid-90's that went to the championship games.  Woods was an Unforgettable.  Hawkins played with great energy and was a real leader.  Rondo was a cancer who never exhibited leadership/pg skills and only stayed at UK long enough to better his draft position and help himself.  He cared nothing for the University or for his coach or teammates....only for himself.  Christ, he would have went to UL over us in a heartbeat if they'd offered.  Which would ha ve been good because he's a UL type player...never was UK material.  It's a joke that he's on this list.

by BigBlueFan025 on Jun 3, 2007 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well ...
You have zero proof for any of this.

"He cared nothing for the University or for his coach or teammates....only for himself."

Not sure why you think that. He has said otherwise on multiple occasions.

That you don't like him doesn't necessarily mean it's the truth.

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by JL Blue on Jun 3, 2007 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it's pretty obvious I don't like Rondo
No doubt there.  As far as proof goes, I'm not sure I understand what your criteia are for 'proving' that.  From simple observation, its seems pretty obvious to most fans that he cared very little for his teammates, coach, and university.  His on-court demeanor his sophomore year was often apathetic at best.  He whined about Tubby's style of play and rocked the boat that entire year.  Granted, I whined about it, too, but I didn't sign to play for the man knowing full well that his temas play at a trodding pace. As far as what he's 'said', that proves nothing either.  If I told you I can fly, that doesn't make it truth.  Billy Donovan said he wanted to coach Orlando.  That wasn't true either.  For me the 'proof' was in the pudding...He played with energy and heart his frehman year and we darn near went to the Final Four.  His sophomore year he folded up like a cheap hooker taking a gut-punch and we lost 13 games, initiating the beginning of the end for Tubby.  His steals and other hustle stats were down, telling me he laid down.  I just can't 'talk up' or glorify people that I don't feel give their best efforts when given an opportunity like Rondo had.  He deserves every ounce of criticism he gets from me, or anyone else.  

by BigBlueFan025 on Jun 5, 2007 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Epps number 1
Followed closely by a CLUTCH Saul Smith

by T Svoboda on Jun 3, 2007 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Best in my memory
Your time frames runs right into the last season of, in my mind, the best guard ever in UK history...Kyle Macy. Perhaps he would be considered a #2 G?
Stinky Blue

by Stinky Blue on Jun 3, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Dirk Dunk
That's what I'm talkin about!

by cthom on Jun 3, 2007 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Better of the two..
I think it would be a great debate; better Point Guard, Saul Smith or Shawn Sutton? I know this is the great question that consumes the BBN!
Go Cats!

by Blueman2000 on Jun 3, 2007 6:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Amazingly ...
Saul, and it's not close.

BTW, Sean Sutton is in my top 5 least favorite UK players ever. LeRon Ellis tops the list.

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by JL Blue on Jun 3, 2007 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Least favorite players
Gotta agree with the LeRon Ellis pick. Far and away my least favorite Cat. That 88-89 team had some winners, didn't it? Sean Sutton, Chris Mills. Was Mike "Soft Paws" Scott on that team.

Your top five point guards was interesting, and I have to agree with #1 being Wayne Turner. Gotta slot Anthony Epps in there. I don't remember Minniefield, Davender or Rondo hitting a clutch three to send the national championship game ('97) to overtime. Epps did it.

In terms of pure shooting and ball handling, Davender edges out Travis Ford in my book. But that leads to the question: is this top five/six based on accomplishment or ability?

If accomplishment I say:

  1. Wayne Turner
  2. Anthony Epps
  3. Kyle Macy
  4. Travis Ford
  5. Dicky Beal
  6. Roger Harden
I'd put Harden above Beal had UK beaten LSU in '86 and gone to a final four.

On ability I say:

  1. Ed Davender
  2. Rajon Rondo
  3. Wayne Turner
  4. Kyle Macy
  5. Travis Ford

by catlanta91 on Jun 3, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good list
I'd have to go with a slightly modified version of your first list.  I def agree with the top 3 youhave there, but I'd put Minnifield ahead of Ford, substitute Davender for Beal, and leave Harden off the list altogether.

by Logan5 on Jun 6, 2007 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Derk Dunk Video
The most amazing thing about that video was the somewhat subdued Dick Vitale.  If he could keep about that level of enthusiasm, I might be able to watch games that he calls.  Obviously excited, but not screaming and over the top... and then following the whole thing up with a request for a kiss from Donna Smith/Ashley Judd.

Which begs the question... now that we have a divorcee in the head coach's chair... who will Dickie V waste our time with comments about during games?

by chirop1 on Jun 4, 2007 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Turner
I gotta go with Turner and then Ford.

Rondo had a ton of ability but I think you have to go with the proven winners even if they had better talent around them. Rondo was good but I didnt see him make his teamates better while he was on the court and that is what a true point guard does.

I also graduated from Lafayette here in Lex.

by davw83 on Jun 4, 2007 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said, Fred....
Rondo failed at that part of his responsibility in a major way. He didn't lead the team, it was all about Rondo.

by blueblood on Jun 4, 2007 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like you guys covered just about all of it.
I like it all, good piece JL. Keep 'em coming. Could we preface the piece with the poll instead? Then we could all be prepared to defend our opinions.

by blueblood on Jun 4, 2007 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Turner
Well, my list would be something like:
  1. Turner
  2. Turner
  3. Epps
  4. Turner
  5. Rondo
I don't remember Minniefield, Davender, or Harden as I was either too young or too interested in Transformers to have watched them when they played.  

Epps has always been one of my favorite players.  I remember after he graduated from UK there were a few stories that he might play football for a year at Georgetown but it never happened.

Looking for a rock to wind a piece of string around.

by JLeverenz on Jun 4, 2007 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember...
watching the 80's guys either, but I do remember my Mom screaming and pounding the carpets with her fists when they didn't do what she wanted them to do. I remember hearing the names all the time. I even remember lying in bed one night as the usual screaming and fisting pounding went on for the UK game, when my I heard a blood curdling scream from the living room. I thought that my Mom had finally broken one of her wrists pounding on the floor, but no.... it was the Kyle Macy's half court shot that was heard round the BBN.

P.S. we eventually had to replace that carpet. The most worn spot was the one right in front of the TV where my Mom would sit and watch the games, then of course the two smaller spots where she pounded her fists. I wish we would have taken a picture of that carpet. It was so obvious.

by blueblood on Jun 4, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Epps is definitely better than Ford
I can accept the argument of Turner being better than Epps even though I do disagree. But if you look at accomplishments and their numbers, Epps is a significantly better player than Ford.

Travis of course can't match the team accomplishments of Epps. But looking back at their career numbers, Epps was more accomplished here than Ford. Their career minutes are fairly close - about 240 more for Epps which is about 8 games (30 minutes/game as a starter). But Epps has 50 less turnovers and over 100 more assists. Ford was great in 93 working with Mashburn to shoot 52% from threes, but his other 2 UK seasons were 37% and 38%. Epps' last 3 years (where he got real minutes) he shot 41%, 40%, 39%. Epps has over a 100 more rebounds and 60 more steals.

Travis was a good point guard, but Epps was the rock for the 96 and 97 teams. The 3 pointer to send the 97 final into overtime was a classic Epps play. Heck of a player.

by PapaKat on Jun 4, 2007 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly ...
I think I whiffed on Anthony. I just don't know if the caliber of talent around him made him or hte other way around, but I think if I'd thought a little harder, I'd see that Epps should have made a top 6 list EASILY.

Oh, well!

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by JL Blue on Jun 4, 2007 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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