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The Tubby Motive

I wanted to comment on this yesterday, but as most of you over 30 will recall, yesterday was Father's Day.  We hosted a family barbecue, so that constrained my blogging.

What I'm talking about is this article from TwinCities.com, the online home of the Pioneer Press up in Minneapolis-St. Paul.  The article discusses the trials and tribulations of Tubby Smith's early years, when his son Saul walked on to UK and eventually became the starting point guard, much to the chagrin and frustration of many Kentucky fans.

Saul's time at UK was a watershed for Tubby's career here, as it hearkened UK fans directly back to the days of Eddie Sutton and his son, Sean.  For many fans, Saul's career was the end of any love they had for Smith.

I remember being very frustrated with the abuse of Saul Smith by UK fans during those days, and it is still a period of time that I will remember more with sadness than with fondness.  But in defense the Saul Smith detractors' feelings (but not their shameful actions), I shared some of their frustration when Smith refused to play Cliff Hawkins more during his freshman year.  But no reasonably objective person can say that Saul Smith got special treatment -- Smith's preference for playing seniors is legendary.  Just ask Perry Stevenson.

But the truly interesting thing about this article was not that it helped me relive a difficult period in UK basketball.  Instead, after reading the article, I began to get a better idea of Tubby Smith's motivations for leaving UK.

See, Tubby had been assailed by an ever-larger portion of the fans for years.  That may have been wearing on him, but I doubt it was the major motivator.  Barnhart signed him to a huge contract that strongly discouraged firing him, and even though Barnhart and Smith were rumored to be at odds, Smith has proven nothing over the years if not that he has thick skin and heavily calloused feelings.  If the fans' despicable assaults on his son could not force him into rash action, Barnhart and some relentless detractors of his coaching would surely not do so.

However, there were two other factors that most of us (well, at least me) failed to recognize:  Smith's family ties and his son's move to coaching.  Almost every UK fan knows that Tubby Smith is a huge family man.  His entire coaching culture at UK was built around the family model, often to the frustration of some fans. Most of us were at least peripherally aware that Saul Smith was moving into coaching, following his father.  These two factors, in my opinion, provided the strongest motivation for Tubby to leave UK.

Saul Smith would never have been accepted as an assistant coach here.  Never.  And Tubby unquestionably knew this.  Smith wanted to mentor his son in coaching, just like he did when Saul played at UK, but that avenue was forever closed to him while he was at Kentucky.  Even another national championship (an unlikely happenstance given the direction of the program) would not have provided him with the necessary political capital to hire his son as an assistant here.

Enter Minnesota with an offer on par with what UK was paying Smith.  Now, Tubby could go to UM, hire his son, and as a bonus, remove all those little indignities he had been suffering over the years -- all for a very small pay cut.  Tubby is not a young man anymore, and he knows more of his coaching days are behind him than ahead of him.

So why would Tubby Smith leave legendary UK basketball for moribund Minnesota?  Given all these factors, Smith's decision looked easy.  Yes, he was taking a hit in status, but let's face it -- he never intends to leave UM to coach elsewhere -- his next gig will be on, in the words of Blake Shelton, "some beach, somewhere". He has hired his son, who can now learn the coaching trade from his father, and nobody in Gopherland will say boo about it.  His family is back together in a place where he faces far less pressure and will have more time with them.  And he was no doubt aware that all this would come to pass before he left.  Saul's position was the straw that broke Kentucky's back, not Barnhart's reputed unhappiness.

Family has always meant more to Smith than anything.  Always.  Much more.  End of story.

Ryan Ferguson (aka Gatorpilot) at the AOL Fanhouse links this post in a recent article.  Thanks, Ryan.

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Nepotism
The writer did a very good job researching that story, and very strong commentary (as always) by Tru.

The only thing that seemed to be not mentioned so far is that Minnesota apparently is one of the few major Universities/States that doesn't have an anti-nepotism law to work around.  I don't believe that Smith COULD HAVE hired Saul @ UK.  True, he would have been blasted relentlessly if he would have.  

But, I don't think that fan/media pressure would have stopped him from doing it.

by vickster3 on Jun 18, 2007 10:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe ...
the anti-nepotism statute would apply to the basketball coach.  It appears to be limited to relatives of board members.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 18, 2007 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uk
UK does indeed have a nepotism law restraining Smith from ever hiring Saul.

Once Tubby hired Saul at UM I was pretty sure that it was a large part of the reason he moved to UM. I still dont think its the entire or even majority of the reason but I dont think it can be denied that being able to work with his son wasnt a factor.

by davw83 on Jun 18, 2007 10:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure ...
it isn't just a University policy?

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 18, 2007 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy G.
I find it interesting that according to yesterday's link to WildCat Thunder Billy G has only offered one player lower than a four star. I find that very telling about the differences in his and Tubby's recruiting styles. Billy G for President 08.

by davw83 on Jun 18, 2007 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think ...
he offered Thorns, who was only a 2 star, and the JUCO PF, who was a 2 star.

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 18, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I agree factually with all items so far,
I think there's a difference between BCG's 11th hour scramble to fill out a 2007-2008 roster, with his willingness to offer the above-mentioned players vs. future recruiting once a 13-player roster has been achieved and he is on a level playing field in terms of time invested to target and sway upcoming classes.

I would be very surprised to see BCG offer a 3* or lower for the 2008 or future classes.

by vickster3 on Jun 18, 2007 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith
Interesting development....careful analysis brings too many questions....if indeed U of Minn is ONE of the few majors that allows family hiring...did Tubby research his options....and know this in advance? If so...some great work on the part of his agent. Or is this just a happy family confluence that allowed him to pursue a dream of working with Saul. I too regret the treatment Saul received but I too longed for Hawkins many, many games that senior year. The Sutton family behaviors were all over the BBN reactions to the Smith family. I think the Smith family paid a price for those choices....and Brian as well. Brian's school choice was a direct result of Saul's treatment. Back to UMINN...we need to wish the Smiths well. Sometimes things are really just simple or an odd concidence.

by CAWebb on Jun 18, 2007 10:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes and no ...
The real frustration behind the Saul issue was that no high school guards would agree to come to UK knowing full well that they'd sit behind Saul for a year whether they were better or not.

I was a real Tubby apologist on this issue, assuming that he was playing Saul out of allegiance to his TEAM and not his son. I can only hope that was the case.

That said, Chris Duhon was the main casualty of the Saul issue, not Cliff Hawkins. Though one wonders just how bad Hawkins' "asthma" really was, since the moment Saul left, Hawkins could play 30 minutes a night.

I wish Tubby well at Minnesota. I still have some umbrage at how he left and the actions he took immediately afterward, but overall it's apparent that Smith's vision of how to run a program was vastly different from that of the majority of fans. I can't say he's wrong, insofar as none of us have ever coached a college game.

But I can certainly look at the results of the last two years as either a disinterest on his part in the recruiting/rebuilding part of the job or a lack of flexibility on how to address the ever-changing nature of the game.

The Online home of Big Blue Nation ...

by JL Blue on Jun 18, 2007 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Billy G
I dont think Thorns and Calasan were on Wildcats thunders list so I forgot about them. I think you should mostly look at who he is going after for 08 if you want to know the types of players he really goes after.

Not say that he shouldnt offer anyone below a 3 star. I think Billy G has a good eye for talent and if he wants to go after a lower recruit that cool but I dont think we'll see him target as many of them as Tubby did.

Also factoring in Brian's school choice, a lack of talent.

The nepotism policy is a University policy and I do think it extends to the Athletics dept. I am for sure that it goes beyond board members. My mom is the assistant director of student health and coming out of college I tried to get her to hire me. She couldnt so I ended up working at Markey Cancer Center where she used to be the assistant director and still has some friends. Dont you just love nepotism.

by davw83 on Jun 18, 2007 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey ...
nepotism got me a lot of summer jobs with my dad, so far be it from me to be critical. :-)

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 18, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what they say ....
Nepotism: just keep it in the family ;-)
Looking for a rock to wind a piece of string around.

by JLeverenz on Jun 18, 2007 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thorns
I just remembered. Thorns never actually got an offer.

by davw83 on Jun 18, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Saul
If Tubby had brought Saul in and played him as the reserve for which he was qualified instead of starting him (a position he was not talented enough to occupy)then the fans at KY would have loved Saul to this very day for his hustle and emotion. Tubby has no one but Tubby to blame for what happened with Saul just as Tubby has no one to blame for everything else that transpired at UK except Tubby Smith.
Personally I'm glad he's gone because Tubby simply did not play well with others, he reminded me of a spoiled brat who demanded his way in all things and if he didn't get his way then he was a very vindictive man. I wish Tubby well in Minn, but I also believe he has bitten off more than he bargained for, only time will tell....

by abud4me on Jun 19, 2007 9:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Saul wasn't really to blame for all this mess.....
It was his dad and his "family hiring" policy that was the problem.

I too hated how badly Saul was treated by again that "tiny few" UK fans.  In his defense it really wasn't his fault.  He really was for the most part an innocent bystander in this whole mess created by his dad.

I too was a "Tubby Smith" apologist for the most part.  I wanted him to succeed at U of Kentucky for many many reasons, because I knew full well what would happen both to him personally and to the U of Kentucky if he didn't.  U of Kentucky's reputation fairly or unfairly would take a big hit.

And sadly he didn't.  And predictably the media unfairly bashed U of Kentucky and its "tiny few" idiotic fans because of this.

Like JL said I wish Tubby Smith well at Minnesota.  It was a great move for all of us.  Both for UK and for Coach Smith himself as well.

by ukcatfan191 on Jun 20, 2007 12:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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