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Kentucky Basketball Recruiting: Assessing the Results of Black Monday

This morning there is good news.  Black Monday is over, and as far as I know, nobody in the Big Blue Nation has jumped off of any tall bridges or buildings from the psychic malaise caused by overwhelming disappointment, and that is a very good thing.  But there is no doubt that many Wildcat fans are disappointed and somewhat frustrated by yesterday's events, and trust me, I am among them.

Intellectually, we all know that disappointment is a major part of being a fan of any sports program, although Florida Gator fans may have forgotten how disappointment feels lately.  Be that as it may, it is time to take stock of the situation as it presents itself.

Kentucky is/was recruiting four remaining quality players for its 2007 class - Beas Hamga, Michael Sanchez, Jai Lucas and of course, Patrick Patterson.  Of those four, three are now said to be committed or committing to other schools, and only Patrick Patterson remains available.  Patterson is scheduled to have a news conference on Wednesday to announce his decision between Duke, Kentucky and Florida.

The reality is that we as Wildcat fans have to face the likelihood that we will go 0-4 on these recruits, and pretty much have to live with the team we have now in 2007.  I don't say that because I think Patterson is a Florida lean -- unlike some, I don't ascribe any mystical or extraordinary skill to Donovan's recent recruiting success.  

I say it because my feeling is that each of the three schools has an approximately equal chance to obtain Patterson's services, and while Lucas' matriculation to Florida may slightly enhance the Gator's chances, I don't believe it is in any way dispositive.  But even if we assume that Jai's decision has exactly 0% impact on the situation, that leaves our chances of landing Patterson at approximately 33% by my estimation.

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Now, I don't know about you, but 33% is not the kind of odds I would bet the farm on, or play Russian roulette with.  We are facing 2-1 against, or a 1 in 3 chance.  While that is not abysmal, it also qualifies as the odds begin against us.

So why did all this happen?  Well, we all like to speculate, but a good deal of the speculation is really unnecessary.  Lucas saw the point guard spot open up at Florida when Green hired an agent, and even if this isn't quite as cut and dried as it may appear to him, Green's official leaving removed enough doubt to sway him.  Presented with the same circumstances and absent the cognitive dissonance of being a UK fan, I expect most of us would have made the same decision.

Sanchez is an Arkansas boy who lives five minutes from Arkansas' campus.  Arkansas has a new coach, unproven at the helm of their present school, and so does UK.  Ultimately, we lost Sanchez to home court advantage.  Another one that is easy to understand.

Beas Hamga, however, is a different and likely more sinister story.  Some have suggested that maybe his visit to UK wasn't that good, but I have serious doubts about this.  Others think that the number of centers currently at UK was a factor, and I simply can't argue against that possibility.

But from there, it gets a little more ominous.  The recent comments in the media, right in the middle of Hamga's visit to UK, by his AAU coach and "guardian" Mark Adams seem very questionable, especially in light of this comment by Marc Maggard on KSR back in April.  Maggard knew of the connection of Adams with UNLV, and warned us that this had to be "overcome".  Given the events of two days ago, it is perfectly clear to me that Adams was not only the deciding factor in Hamga's recruitment, but that he deliberately tried to create a scandal to ensure Hamga did not sign with us.

This activity was blatantly unethical and absolutely a conflict of interest.  Adams can legitimately lay claim to Hamga's best interests as his guardian, but apparently he used his position as AAU coach to influence Hamga's decision not based on merit, but his own personal desires.  You may suggest I don't have enough facts to draw this conclusion, but you are wrong.  The facts are there, and people are convicted of serious crimes on less circumstantial evidence than this.  I won't waste any more words on this guy, but what he did was rotten to the core.

Which brings us back to Patrick Patterson.  He is, after all, the big prize of the four.  But I caution my UK brothers and sisters against hanging much hope on getting him.  As I said above, the odds are very much against us, even if they are as good as anyone else's.  Many of you are discounting Duke in this equation and see only Florida, but this is the irrational Phlorida Phear I spoke about earlier talking -- ignore Duke at your peril.

So what should we do?  We should do what all good Americans and UK fans do when the chips are down -- hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

Rick Bozich has some unusually good advice for the Big Blue Nation.  I think I will take it.

The UK Bias Blog has a post up entitled "Hope" with a different take on events, recent and not so recent.

Dovetailing nicely with the above link, Tubby Smith has picked up a 2008 commitment.

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Adams....
Said we took advantage of a kid from Africa.  I think he is calling the kettle black.  But in my reflection of the Hamga situation he was starting to lose PT to Zeller, (a UK hopeful) and his original commitment was to a weak Big 11 (10) school.  He probably wasnt going to be what we needed in the first place.

Lucas 5'10" = A facial by DJ 6'6"!!! Welcome to the SEC shorty!!! Lets see if you can still knock down a 3 with the line being pushed back and a 6'4ish guard in your face.

Sanchez bad knees, ask our boys in louisville about a big man with bad knees (David Padgett)  He'll give you 10-15 games a year.

Patrick well will see tomorrow!!!

by tiger85 on May 15, 2007 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Projecting
Not sure I am 100% with you on the accusations of intentional scandal-mongering, but to each his own. Rather, I think the Adidas/Nike-AAU connection is a more mitigating factor than most believe.

AAU coaches get few chances to make the big time. When one comes along, you don't give those up easily.

Watch for Adams to move up the ladder is Beas turns into a player. Of course, we may never know because he'll only be playing 3 games a year on TV, and those all at midnight.

Good work, dude.

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by JL Blue on May 15, 2007 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Upcoming
We'll be able to see what happens with Adams in the future. That'll shed more light on what went down yesterday.

by Clandestine on May 15, 2007 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, bro ...
I'm not even sure I'm 100%, but there are just too many coincidences for this to be coincidental.  I am usually a trusting person, but when I see things like this, I become a major skeptic.

by Glenn Logan on May 15, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll get to see him play a little...
so long as my unfortunate marital incarceration lasts in Seattle.

by blueblood on May 15, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

To some extent...
I could see people arguing that we do have two centers already, however neither of them have the promise that Hamga showed. The power forwards are also the same. We have 3 on the books, but what will we get out of them? Is stevenson really considered a PF or is he a SF? I think that Ramone Harris might be ready for a breakout year, but can he breakout the books? I really don't think you can count Carter out yet, he might surprise. I think Carter has gotten a bit of a raw deal here so far, he has gotten little or no playing time in two years, he hasn't even had the chance to settle down and play a little. With the Tubster, if you make one mistake you sit for 10 minutes.

by blueblood on May 15, 2007 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Take heart
It's not the end of Big Blue.UK will recover.Statistically,yes there is a one in three chance of getting Patterson,and who knows, maybe he will commit to UK.But I would'nt bet the house on it.Too many factors point otherwise,Pattersons gator chomp and vocal support of the gators when they played UK in their home finale,his gator art per the Huntinton newspaper,his wanting to be a gator if we are to believe what we read.So if he does't come to UK,the world will not end,and life will go on,and hopefully,Coach BCG will bring in 5 star talent next year.
And I really believe Hamgas' AAU coach and guardian did play a major role in his decision and agree with truzenzuzex in his appraisal of the affrair.

by kyjohn on May 15, 2007 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's not get too disheartened
It seems to me that Mr. Gillespie has quite the track record with this exast scenario. He seems to have managed quite well in the past, I'd say we could trust that he will do as good of a job as can be done in this situation.

by blueblood on May 15, 2007 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

All in all....
I would attribute some skepticism on all recruits for this year to all of the '09 and '10 recruiting that BG has been doing lately. Unfortunately that is an unavoidable side effect of the situation he is in.

If BG has gone all out for this year and kept the future recruiting to a minimum, he might have had more success.

However, if he had concentrated his efforts on next year, then he would have undoubtedly faced a little heat from the BBN for ignoring this year. I'd say his middle of the road approach was the best possible thing he could have done.

by blueblood on May 15, 2007 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that's right.
And even if we don't end up with a single additional recruit, this class isn't bad.  I could be a lot better, but the late addition of Legion improved it significantly.  Obviously, Patterson would make it top 20 for sure.

Having 1 or 2 additional scholarships for next year is probably a plus, but like you say, the BBN would not have looked fondly upon BCG if he had just packed it in for 2007 after he landed Legion.

Overall, 2007 looks like a rebuilding year (some might even say the 3rd in a row), but unlike the last two I think we can see some light at the end of the tunnel.

I know we want to get to the top 5 right away; last year would have been soon enough for me, but that's how it goes sometimes.

by Glenn Logan on May 15, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I want is to wonder...
who is going to win every game that we play. I don't want to go into a single game this year wondering if UK is even capable of winning this game. That's what I hated about Tubby's reign. I never was sure that we could compete. I never knew who would show up on the court. If the Wildcats showed up... then all was good. If the wildkittens showed up... not so good.

by blueblood on May 15, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes and no
Murray State will not have a player the caliber of AJ Stewart in the next five years and you know that.

That said, Legion does help, but it's not a stellar class unless Williams is Nazr Part II.

I happen to be a Williams apologist. He's not fast, but he's big and has a nice touch. He will feel the wrath of Scott Holsopple this summer.

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by JL Blue on May 15, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're dead wrong ...
about almost everything there.  AJ Stewart is much better than he is being rated, and will contribute next year, although not like Legion will.  Stewart is an athletic freak, and should thrive in Gillispie's system.

Williams is a big body, but I am unsure if he will help or not, especially next year.  But big men with soft hands can always be beneficial.  We'll see.

This class grades out a solid B-.  Patterson is a full letter-grade improvement.

by Glenn Logan on May 15, 2007 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe.
Pessimism just isn't in me, though. :-)

by Glenn Logan on May 16, 2007 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tubby's "mess"
One could argue that if Tubby didn't leave that both Patterson and Lucas would be at UK next season.

by Clandestine on May 15, 2007 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Fair Assessment but....
Taurean Green's signing would still have impacted Lucas.
Hamga and Sanchez wouldn't have even been on the radar.
And would Morris still be here or not????
Too many what-ifs... but I do respect defending Tubby a little.

by blueblood on May 15, 2007 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recruiting
I would wager that more media outlets bash Kentucky over their fans than their recruiting.

by Clandestine on May 15, 2007 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Morris....
I feel a little abandoned by him, after all UK and Tubby did for him to get back to playing this year. Granted, most of Tubby's work might have been to save his own hyde. That whole ordeal set a precedent in NCAA cases. Then when he came back, he said, "I'll stay for the rest of my eligibility". Did he??? NO.... at the first hint of an open door (tubby leaving), he bolts to ride the pine for the Knicks.

Not too happy about that myself.

by blueblood on May 15, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

KSR has a "tidbit"...
about Hamga's defection. I'll leave the interpretation up to the reader.

by blueblood on May 15, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Bleh ...
clear as mud.  I never actually believed the report about the fight, and never even knew Adams was rumored to be considered for employment at UNLV.

I just think Adams has a preference for UNLV for whatever reason, and used his influence to drive Hamga away from UK, including using his role as "guardian" to generate a tempest in a teapot to help him get that job done.

by Glenn Logan on May 15, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Williams
Im with you Blue. I think the kid could be a servicable center in the SEC. Not sure how much he contributes next season though. He shows an extremely good attitude and willingess to work. In an interview he said that he dropped like 50 pounds of fat his last yearof high school and added 30 pounds of muscle back. I think Holsopple will definitley have something to work with. Plus his accent is awesome. He switches back and forth between English and American slang.

by davw83 on May 15, 2007 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Morris

I dont blame Morris for leaving and I dont think anyone but you took him seriously when he said he would finish his eligibility. He helped us out quite a bit this past season. Can you imagine without him? and since the NBA season ended he has returned to finish classwork and has played some dates on the barnbuner tour. He owes the fans nothing.

by davw83 on May 15, 2007 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

That is the problem....
I don't know about leaving college for the NBA, that is a personal decision which is different for everyone. Call me old fashioned if you will, but this crapp about "if it's not on paper, it's not legit" is a bunch of BS. I still believe that if you say you will do something, then you should do it, no matter the cost. A man is only as good as his word and always will be. The legal system is another matter, but if your friends can't trust you, then who can?

by blueblood on May 15, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

post script
It's not about oweing the fans.... it's about being honest. I understand that situations change and if I were he, I would have had to have a serious thought about the NBA. However, if I were in that situation, I wouldn't have made a statement if I didn't know I could live up to it.

by blueblood on May 15, 2007 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but ...
Not saying you're wrong, but don't forget the situation the then-19-year-old kid was in: ego crushed by going undrafted, slinking back to UK embarassed, begging for forgiveness to passionate (and thin-skinned as hell) fans.

Not surprising he'd say something he may very well have meant, but which was not the case when the situation changed.

my point being that he may have intended to stay for four years, but times and circumstances change, especially in college kids' lives.

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by JL Blue on May 15, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

college kids
At the end of the day, I think that's the salient observation.  They're college kids.  They do and say things that we take at face value but must be passed through our "hey, that's what some college kid said" filter.

You wish some of these kids had a little more experience or maturity to learn when to speak and when to be silent, and when to make a promise and how to always keep it regardless.  But they're college kids.  Some would say old enough to keep their word -- I agree -- and if it's my kid, he'd damn well better.  So they're not off the hook, but we can't have unreasonable expectations for them.

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by Gatorpilot on May 15, 2007 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Granted GP...
but you know as well as I do, that kids will do about 90% of what they HAVE to do just to get by. So if you lower your expectations to a realistic level, then you only get 80% of what they are capable of. Then the next generation expects a little less... then the next one less again... and before you know it, you have a generation of children who have no understanding of responsibility, kind of like the junior high kids now.

by blueblood on May 16, 2007 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do understand that
but, that is exactly why people should think before making public statements. It wouldn't take very long at all to come up with something that was just as enthralling to the UK fans that didn't have him breaking a commitment two years later. Just a very slight bit of forethought before you speak goes a long long way.

by blueblood on May 16, 2007 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

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