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Too many questions, not enough answers

I personally hate to write articles asking hard questions of a new coach in the middle of a difficult season.  I hate it.  I love to write feel-good articles about the Wildcats that rally the Big Blue Nation and make us all wait with bated breath for the next game.  That's when blogging is fun.  But "feel good" articles are hard to write under the current circumstances, not only because they are in discord with reality, but because they represent an example of a fan base that is out of touch with the simple facts in front of them.  So I am forced to write articles like the one just below, and (warning, dear reader) this one.

John Clay has a very ... pointed article over at the Herald-Leader that is, in my mind, an example of good journalism that we should be pretty proud of.  Like most of us, he doesn't have any interest in coach-bashing or team bashing, but knows something is amiss and understands that to just ignore it is neither desirable nor responsible.  I would very much like to hide my head, stay away from the Internet for a few days and just write "In Gillispie we trust, this is all Tubby's faultĀ®" 1000 times in my own blood.  Unfortunately, that is neither responsible nor fair to our fans and program.

The things that John talks about are these:

  1. A.J. Stewart apparently earned the start, played for 5 minutes, and never returned to the game.
  2. Michael porter, same story except substitute "7" for "5".
  3. Jodie Meeks never sees the floor in the first half, and plays much of the second.

When asked about these things, Coach Gillispie replied:

  1. "I just thought we could do a little bit better with the guys we had out on the court."
  2. --ditto--
  3. "I said I'll play him when he's available. We need Jodie to be at his best because he's a very good player and we need him. Believe me, I would like to have him out there all the time, when he's capable, and when he's available, and when he's ready and all of those kinds of things."

Well.  All I can say about this is that Gillispie is not being totally honest with anyone on this, and if he is ... well, that opens an entirely different set of questions that, because they are so hypothetical, I'll just keep to myself.  My reaction to all this is exactly the same as Clay's -- "Huh?"

John goes on to mention the strange circumstances surrounding Patterson's absence from the Houston game.  Now, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so I don't have a clue what to make of all this, but it is a little bit more than passing strange.  I always thought Tubby Smith's activities were opaque and hidden from view, but Gillispie seems to be taking this to levels previously unknown, professing ignorance about virtually everything he is asked, or giving hyper-simplistic answers.  To be fair, "I just thought we could do a little better with the guys we had out on the court" isn't anything other than apparently honest, but surely he can imagine that UK basketball fans would appreciate a bit more detail, like "I thought the guys we had out there would be more capable of busting the zone they were using to hold down Pat, based on the way they were practicing," or something like that that gives UK fans credit for knowing something about the game.  "I just thought it was a good idea at the time" will get Gillispie no points with either the media or most UK fans.

Answer number three is nothing more than a filibuster, and somebody needs to tell Gillispie that the Senate that welcomes those is about 500 miles east of here.  We know Meeks is good, Coach, and we know that you want to play him.  What we don't know is how he magically "became available" between the end of the first half and the beginning of the second.  What is the process?  And if you don't know, who can we talk to who does know?  Surely, somebody must have an answer to this mystery.

Look, if Gillispie wants to play the "Aw, shucks" card to the point where we learn to hate it, fine -- it's his career.  But in this writer's humble opinion, he is losing not only ball games, but the confidence of many in the Big Blue Nation, although I am currently not among them and do have confidence Gillispie can get the job done.  John Clay's lede expressed my feelings perfectly:  "If Gillispie has plan, it's invisible to naked eye."

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BCG's plan
Get through this year as best as possible.

by BeatUL on Dec 30, 2007 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

Last day of 07.....
Good, there's only today left.  Tru, I'm with you, we got to know.  But, do you think he hides his true feelings due to saving others feelings, ie the players or lack there of.  Yes, we have talent, but how much?  

by ncaamostwins on Dec 31, 2007 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Being careful
I think he treads lightly his first season.  He has to, what can he say?  Maybe there's rift between certain players, or coaches, who knows, but you can bet the dirty laundry will not be hung out.  Next season, Billy G. steps up.

by ncaamostwins on Dec 31, 2007 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

The Train Wreck
Many have commented that "this season is a train wreck" or they have said so far "Gillispie at UK has been a train wreck."  the first is true the later is ignorant.

However, if this season is a trainwreck, when did the train derail?  I would argue the train started off the track at least four years ago when Tubby Smith began recruiting players who did not bleong in the SEC, much less in a UK uniform.  There is no arguing that Tubby Smith failed to recruit consistantly or that he failed to bring in a depth of top tier talent.Tubby never signed a player that has played in a Final Four.

Now that the train wreck is in full view we are all stopping to view the carnage.  It is ugly.  It is disgusting.  There is a new engineer who has been hired to put the train back on the track and move it fll steam ahead.  Yet he is left with a wrecked train incapable of going full steam ahead.  It is not even "the little train that could." Yet the passer-byes, the rubberneckers look at the new engineer and the scream what the hell is he doing?  Why isn't this train moving faster?

Enough of the analogy, you get the point.  Complaining about BCG 11 games into his tenure is ignorant.  He did not derail the UK train, he is picking up the pieces and doing the best he can with one lousy piece of machinery.

I once thought UK fans were knowledgeable about basketball.  What I know realize is they let emotions overtake reason and reality and we are back to the days when everyone was screaming "J.B. hall ain't no coach."  Unbelievable.

by BeatUL on Dec 30, 2007 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

I think ...
this season is by no means a "train wreck."  How could it be only 11 games in?

But the coach is clearly making some decisions that are questionable, and then refusing to explain them at any level of detail.  He is certainly deserving of the same scrutiny we would give to any person in his position, and I and many others have questions which the coach has essentially refused to answer, or answered with non-responses.

That's his right.  He is being paid to do a job, and whether or not I like the way he is doing it is irrelevant.  But for me, there hasn't been a satisfactory explanation, or rather, any explanation, of why we are struggling so mightily.    To me, it doesn't look as though we should be having this much difficulty against such weak competition as San Diego and Gardner-Webb.

I don't feel out of line questioning Coach Gillispie about these things.  It's true he is paid to do a job, but as a fan, I reserve the right to evaluate how that job looks to me.  Not everyone will agree, of course, nor should they -- these are my thoughts, and I respect the fact that others will be inclined to just say nothing or defend Gillispie at this point, even though I don't feel like I am attacking him at all.

And lest we forget, coaching is a two-way street.  It is just like Mr. Miaghi said in the Karate Kid -- you have to make a sacred pact between teacher and student ... "Teacher say, student do."  If we don't have that pact, I think it's fair to wonder why, and to ask what it will take to get this team playing passable basketball.  Actually playing good basketball seems a far-off dream at this moment, but that's probably more perception than reality.

I just wish we could get something more out of him than "It seemed like a good idea at the time."  Maybe that's all there is, I don't know.  But it doesn't satisfy me.

I respect and understand why some would be very defensive of Gillispie right now -- he has had very little time and there is no doubt that many things outside his control have conspired to help get this season off to such a rocky start.  I want to defend him too, but he has to give me something to work with, and right now he doesn't seem interested in doing that.

With all that said, we have to be tolerant of each other.  I will require that people here keep the dissent reasonable and on point, and we must stay respectful of diverse opinions, even ones we don't agree with.  Begging everything off to emotionalism or ignorance is something that we should avoid -- it is a facile judgment that is disrespectful of people by making assumptions for which we have too little information, and it poisons reasonable debate.

Civility and respectfulness needs to be our creed, regardless of the opinions we hold.

by Glenn Logan on Dec 30, 2007 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Fans
Fans that are leaving the caravan aren't the true fans and we can do without them....I wonder if any of them are in the lower level of Rupp and willing to part with their tickets?  I am in Frankfort and can be anywhere in the state in 3 hours or less if lower level season tickets are available......

So, those fans can go cheer for somebody else....my Cats will come back.........they always do.

by Chuck Alexinis on Dec 30, 2007 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

No, Chuck, nooooo ....
please, not the "true fan" argument. :-)

Seriously, UK does have a number of bandwagon fans, and they tend to jump off in a huff at every loss.

If Kentucky doesn't win another game this season, most Wildcat fans will watch every one.  It's hard to watch futility when we have so much emotion invested in our program, but I don't think you'll see all that many fans really do that.  When you read that crap in message boards, it is just venting.  

Fortunately, most of the people who visit here don't vent much, and I appreciate that.  I have to admit, I had to "just walk away" from the blog after yesterday, and I can't tell you how many times in my life I have written some long, angry screed only to delete it.

Don't be too hard on those who are losing it right now.  The provocation is sufficient, but I am hopeful we won't have to endure it much longer.

by Glenn Logan on Dec 30, 2007 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

True Fan comment..........
My meaning was simple....bandwagon fans are not UK fans....or really not fans at all....their only function is to explode blogs and make uneducated arguments that serve no purpose.....

by Chuck Alexinis on Dec 30, 2007 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem isn't just Gillispie...
It's Joe Crawford and Ramel Bradley, two UK players with some of the lowest basketball IQs I've seen in some time.

And sorry, but the problem is also in the lack of recruiting a few years ago that is coming back to haunt us.

And some of it is bad luck. Injuries have played a huge part of this mess. But really, how many freshmen walk-ons come into Rupp and go 4 for 4 on threes? Tell me Vaden is going to be that hot again all year?

And who knew Lofton would be this good? Sure, Tubby was the only person in the state of Kentucky that didn't see his value, but who knew he'd turn out to be such a good player?

Luck and timing, folks. I agree with the first poster. Just get through the season as best you can...hopefully we'll be at full strength and ride a little momentum in a weaker than normal SEC.

by catlanta91 on Dec 30, 2007 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Crawford and Ramel?
Really?  I have to disagree.  Did their basketball IQ's drop overnight?  No one had much complaining to do about these guys over the past 3 seasons...  

www.BillyGsucks.com

by BillyGsucks on Dec 30, 2007 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: catlanta91
Neither coach at UL or UK offered Lofton.

Actually the only "big name" coach who recruited Lofton hard was Huggins at Cincy. Lofton fell into Buzz Petersons lap after he kicked one of his guards off of the team, which opened up the scholly.

Not a big issue, but it drives me crazy when people intimate Lofton was a much sought after recruit. Rivals had him ranked 142 his senior year.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 31, 2007 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

All I can say is...
...  thank the good lord there's a football coming up, and Kentucky ought to KICK SOME MOTHERLOVIN' ASS!
Orange & Blue Hue http://www.orangeandbluehue.com

by Gatorpilot on Dec 30, 2007 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Re:
Ugh, what a terrible game to watch. I was just coming off the heartbreaking, last second Texas loss and thought an easy Kentucky win would cure what ailed me. How incorrect I was.

In response to some of those queries:

  1. I think the brief stretch late in the first half where Gillispie had Stevenson and Patterson on the floor swayed Billy's decision not to play Stewart in the second half. Although, Stevenson was noticeably worse in the second half, so how this is defensible, I'm not sure. At the very least, Stewart is better than Coury.
  2. I have no concerns about Porter not playing. With Jasper and Meeks available, I'm not sure how Porter fits in the guard rotation.
  3. It's possible Gillispie already decided that he wanted Jasper in during the first half, and Meeks in the second. Rushing Meeks back (and having him play extensive minutes) for the Houston game led him to sit out the next one, so perhaps Gillispie wanted to "take it slow" for both players.
  4. Patterson did not take part in the pre-game shootaround against UH. He was stretching with the trainers right up until the buzzer. He did, however, participate in the halftime shootaround, which led me to hope that he was entering the game. Alas, he did not.

by jc25 on Dec 30, 2007 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Miss Watching Good Basketball
I think UK fans are just frustrated.  I know for myself, I long for the days when UK played good hard-nosed basketball.  I watch Memphis and North Carolina play and remember when UK use to play so flawlessly.  To watch this team play soooo horribly is just gut-wretching.  Never did I ever think that a UK team could ever play so poorly.  I just want to days of glory to return.  Sadly, it will take 2-3 years before that will happen. Unfortunately, patience is not one of my virtues.

by bevcat on Dec 30, 2007 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

What do you want Gillispie to say?
"You can't handle the truth!"  UK fans want to believe these current players, this current team, is better than it really is.  No, with this roster, UK should not be dominating any team on its schedule, I can accept that adn i realize it is not Gillispie's fault it is you know whose fault.

What Gillispie is doing is very clear to me.  He is testing the material he has to work with.  Trying different combinations, seeing how players play and react in different combinations.  He is preparing, planning and developint the future.  This is the right course to take but it is understandably difficult to accept for most.

Why did Meeks only play in the 2nd half?  Against Houston Meeks looked like he was going to pass out from exhaustion; he is only good for 1/2 full speed right now.  Good God people use some common sense.  I am just waiting to hear the "Gillispie ain't no coach."

by BeatUL on Dec 30, 2007 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

huh
preparing, planning and developing the future??

If that's true why play seniors at all? They're definitely not the future.

by modcpa on Dec 31, 2007 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

We'd Just Better Hope
that Patterson doesn't get fed up with this mediocre display of basketball & decide to transfer somewhere else.

Right now, I honestly don't know what to think of Gillispie's coaching ability or his handling of people in general. I don't know about his "people" skills.

I am not a big fan of Joe Crawford, never have been, but, at this point in time we need him on the floor for his scoring ability. BCG seems to be playing with Crawford's mind & diminishing the one skill he has.

Does anyone out there think that this team respects the coach? I would be interested to hear from the BBN on that one. Or do you think that they fear him? Or do they just not even know what to think at this point?

Something is wrong. I just wish the coach would talk to us as knowledgeable b-ball fans. I think that would go a long way in cutting the guy some slack. I don't like the arrogance factor in his answers. Don't ever think that the fans & the unhappiness with Tubby didn't have something to do with his departure.

by Bluegilla on Dec 30, 2007 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

Plain and simple
we fans just don't know whats going on.We have no knowledge of whats going on at practice,and in particular no knowledge of the pre game practice and its consequences on players like Meeks and Jasper,and Crawford,who many seem to forget,is coming off knee surgery.
What we do know is the tid bits of information we pick up from game announcers about how hard the pre game practice is,and finally,what we see on the floor during the game.Maybe Coach Gillispie is using these pre SEC games as a training ground for the real battle which is SEC Conference play.
Who really knows? Hopefully Coach Gillispie!

by UKats on Dec 30, 2007 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

Coach, help us help you
After yesterday's loss and reading Tru's on-target and level-headed analysis, I feel compelled to let my feelings be known (as if anyone really cares, but oh well).  I've been a Kentucky fan all my life and will continue to be no matter what.  However, I certainly can understand some of the criticisms raised against Coach Gillespie at this point and I don't buy into the idea that criticism at this point means you aren't a loyal fan. There are some things that I think are missing from the debate, though.  The first of these is what appears to me to be the simple fact that our new coach simply is not media-savvy at all.  When it comes to dealing with anyone in the media, Coach Gillespie simply has little to no skill.  This became apparent to me early in the season when he would jump all over Tom Leach in the pre-game show when Leach had the audacity to mention the injuries to Jasper and Meeks.  BCG would interrupt Leach and tell him that those were just excuses and he wasn't going to make excuses.  Now, here we are some time later and we hear those same "excuses" coming from the mouth of our coach in multiple instances.  The you see the run-around he gave the media in the post-game press conference and we just have to live with the fact that no matter how smart the guy is with X's and O's, he doesn't understand how to deal with the media.  At all.  This is a failing that will continue to haunt him regardless of his W/L record at Kentucky.  I think we as fans were somewhat spoiled by the Rick Pitino practice of airing the team's dirty laundry publicly at every turn and his penchant for using his own media comments as motivational tools for his players.  Tubby Smith was the antithesis of this and it cost him from a public relations standpoint.  Gillespie seems to fall a little closer to Smith than Pitino in this area.  Even though he'll call out a lazy Joe Crawford, he won't go any further than vague generalities in describing the problems or any solutions.  Long gone are the days where Ricky P would give you a blow-by-blow of how bad a basketball player Rodrick Rhodes is in a press conference.  You might ask why this is relevant.  The reason is that unlike most other college programs, Kentucky fans truly believe that they are a part of the team.  We are not merely spectators or "fans", terms like that are an insult to us.  We are the mythic "sixth man".  We are an integral part of Kentucky basketball - without us there would be no "Empire" to add to the "Roman."  Our status as fans is represented by none other than our own Everyman Bill Keightley.  The sight of Keightley sitting there on the bench is representative of each one of us in a way.  He represents the common everyday Kentuckian who bleeds blue and will follow this team to the death.  Therefore, we have every right to know even the smallest detail about this team, 24/7/365.  Somehow Pitino understood this from day one.  And he gave us unparalleled access to the team, or so we thought.  During the high points, he told us what a great coaching job he and his staff had done and what great kids he had.  During the low points, he gave up the dirt on who wasn't pulling their weight and what he was doing to fix things.  He treated the job to a certain degree as if he were accountable to the fans.  Tubby Smith, in contrast, let us know up front that he was his own man and that he wasn't accountable to us.  That was fine for a while, especially after the '98 championship, but it became clear in later years that the job was too much for the man, despite his unarguably solid character and honesty.  Gillespie, much like Smith, is creating the perception that fans can like him or not but he's here to do a job and by golly he's going to do it.  His bumbling interactions with the media are doing nothing to dispel this perception.  So we as fans are left once again feeling left out in the cold and (dare I say it) - HELPLESS.  And that in my opinion is the source of much of our current angst.  We are watching a dear loved one die and we can't do a damn thing about it.  I would submit to the UK fan base that if coach G were giving us more information to go on we would be in much better shape.  If he would just come out and tell us that he's having a hard time getting the team to give up a selfish style of play because his two seniors can't seem to give it up themselves, we would understand and be supportive.  If he would tell us straight up that he can't get around to coaching offensive sets because the boys won't listen to simple instructions on basketball fundamentals, we'd thank the Heavens for our coach and tell him to keep on those good-for-nothings.  If he would simply say that with there are some on this team with an over-inflated sense of just how good they are and they won't be coachable until that idea is beaten out of them, we would hold our head up high and be proud of our 5-6 record.  But he doesn't say those things and he's not going to.  Like it or not, we are on the outside looking in and therefore any of our prognostications are guesses at best.  Therefore, Bluegrass Faithful, we're going to have to have some faith.  It wasn't that long ago that Rich Brooks should have been run out of town.  Now I'm not saying that Gillespie is Brooks or isn't, I don't know.  But the only criticism of him that makes any sense to me right now is simply that Billy Clyde is being too tight-lipped about what's going on and it's hurting him.  Not only is it hurting him, it's hurting us.  And even though we're not Mitch Barnhart or Lee Todd, we're pretty damn important too.  If anyone out there has any sort of influence with this coach or athletic department, I beg you to encourage Coach Gillespie to trust us enough to shoot us straight.  Tell us what the plan is.  Tell us what to look for in your substitution patterns.  Tell us how you're going to take us back to the promised land.  You don't have to call any kids out on the carpet the way Pitino did, but you can certainly be more forthright than you have been.  Let us be a part of the process, or if you can't do that at least let us maintain the illusion that we're part of the process.  It will make both of our lives better, I promise. Sorry folks for the long comment, I needed it.  (Ah....catharsis....)

by slamgrass on Dec 30, 2007 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

Good comment ...
I don't think Coach Gillispie is used to the type of media attention the UK coach gets.  It is a whole other world from A&M, and I can't fault him for struggling with it a little.

At this point, faith is all we have.  Gillispie has given us little else to support our hopes.

By the way, if you select "auto format" from the drop-down box at the bottom, you can make paragraphs.  Makes reading a long comment much easier. :-)

by Glenn Logan on Dec 30, 2007 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He has given us a lot..
Patterson, Miller, Liggins..

The previous three years we were given Porter, Williams and Carter.

by BeatUL on Dec 31, 2007 6:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Tru
Thanks for the tip, this is my first post.  I promise I won't clog up the site with long comments, just needed to vent... ;-)

by slamgrass on Dec 31, 2007 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Truz.....
A lady friend and fellow Cat fan from Atlanta asked if I had your email addy. If you have no problem with sharing it, send it to me and I will pass it on to her. Mine is:

djoeanddebby@zoominternet.net

by xgrunt on Dec 30, 2007 8:19 PM EST reply actions  

Bad
This team is bad, but should have had enough talent to beat GW and San Diego.

I can appreciate sticking to your guns, but if the guns are shooting blanks?

I just wish there was some type of adjustment during the game - change defense, something.  I am tired of watching this team allow one person to beat them every game.

by gacatfan on Dec 30, 2007 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

Adjustments
Cat Fan, I've got to point out that there were some adjustments made in the SD game, particularly in the 2nd half.  I'll grant you they were ineffective, but adjustments they were.  If I'm not mistaken UK put three defenders on No. 1 and pretty much took away his dribble penetration.  That would have been great, but we kept giving up the open 3 to that walk on (blanking on names this morning), thereby negating any positives from clamping down on 1.  I agree a changed defense would be nice.  It's starting to feel like a pipe dream though.

by slamgrass on Dec 31, 2007 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Lost in the football shuffle...
Lost in all the excitement of a bowl game... isn't there a basketball game to be played in just a couple of hours?

by chirop1 on Dec 31, 2007 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

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