After a night's sleep, does anyone feel better?
There is simply no muse like a traumatic, unexpected event.
Just a few days ago, I was struggling to come up with things to talk about -- football was still in the interregnum of a bye week, the basketball team was beating up on cupcakes -- there just wasn't a lot to write about. All that changed last night with the defeat of Kentucky at the hands of ... Gardner-Webb. Say that again -- Kentucky lost to Gardner-Webb ... by 16 in Rupp Arena! Sounds like something you might read on The Onion, but folks, this one is just as real this morning as it was last night when I went to bed.
I will be using this post to highlight news links, and updating the news box below a bit later. It takes time to do, and right now, I am more interested in making a few points for discussion.
Number one: I see an awful lot of people blaming this loss on Tubby Smith. Folks, that is just silly. Even if we were to accept the argument that Smith left the cupboard bare, blaming this loss on lack of talent is utterly non-sequitur. We have two seniors who were highly ranked, one of them a high school all-American, several highly ranked sophomores, two freshmen high school all-Americans, and a hot new coach who has resurrected programs far worse off than us. I wonder if Gardner-Webb had a 3-star among them? That fact alone aught to be enough to win against a team like Gardener-Webb. May I respectfully suggest that if you feel the urge to continue to blame Tubby Smith for everything bad that happens to the Wildcats, you are doing the Big Blue Nation, but more importantly your own credibility, a disservice.
Number two: Those fans who "booed", I hope you were booing the referees and the other team. I chose to believe that for now. If you weren't, you need to grow up. These things happen during transitions. Get over it, or prepare for nasty reprovals. I will show you no mercy.
Number three: For those of you griping about pre-season tournaments, Kentucky isn't going to stop playing in them. Gardner-Webb had just as much (or just as little) practice time as we did. If you want to blame it on something, blame it on the exhibition games. I have never quite figured out why we play those.
Number four: No matter how dark this seems, just remember that there are worse things. For example, we don't have to explain this for the rest of our lives. That's something to be thankful for.
Number five: Is this one of the worst defeats Kentucky has suffered at Rupp Arena? Yes, it is, but it isn't the only bad loss we have had here. Sooner or later, every team is going to go through this, even the mighty UK. It sucks, but it is a fact of life.
I would like to bring some blogger reax from the BBN, but I have seen some things that would cause me to make comments I might regret, so I think I'll just let people vent in their little corner of cyberspace for now. After things have calmed down a bit, we'll bring some of those on board. So instead, let's go to some other bloggers and media types who have less invested in the team:
John Clay gets the tone just about right, and Billy Gillispie himself tells us who is at fault:
Kyle at Putting Up Bricks (some sweet synchronicity in that name, don't you think?) wonders if Billy G. might be missing College Station right about now:
Rush the Court wonders if firebillygillispie.com is up yet:
To the mainstream media, of course we have DeCourcy, who doesn't pull any punches, but ends on a note of optimism (of sorts):
Finally, Mike at Card Chronicle sums up the game beautifully:
So there we are, my brothers and sisters in blue -- the bad and the ugly. There is no good, unless you count two uninterrupted weeks of practice -- something, I think it's safe to say, this team needs quite a bit of.

Update [2007-11-8 12:30:37 by Truzenzuzex]: Aaaannd now ... We get the Pat Forde treatment:
At least Carr lost close, 34-32, with a game-winning field goal attempt blocked on the final play. Gillispie's Kentucky team was never in the game. They trailed 14-0 out of the gates and only briefly got the deficit into single digits.
Gotta give The Loathsome Troll Jeff Goodman credit, though -- UK didn't show up in his top 25 (although I think that was for a reason other than merit, but who knows?)
Update [2007-11-8 17:11:27 by Truzenzuzex]: Heh. Great -- we made the WaPo.
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I posted this in the other thread,
Call me crazy on this, but I have a theory, or maybe it is just wishful thinking, on why Coach G didn't change the gameplan midway through.
I have watched Gillispie coach, and frankly the guy is fantastic at it. He knows just how to tweak his offense and defense to give himself the ever so slight advantage, when on some occasions, his team never should have had one.
My theory is this. This game is VERY early on in the season. I honestly believe that Gillispie changed nothing to see how his players would react. Look at the lineup patterns at the end of the game. Gillispie was trying to find a group of players that would hustle and scrap back. He was putting it on their shoulders, that way he would know who were the tough ones, the ones that he could put in late in the game to either stave off a comeback or to begin one.
Let's face the obvious. Despite all our faults, we are a far more talented team than Gardner-Webb, and we are a much more deep team.
But in the long run of things, this game does not truly mean much. Yes, a loss is still tough to swallow, but it's only the second game of the season. If the fans truly think that this is how this team will play for the rest of the season, then you may as well just turn the tv off for the rest of the year. We will take our lumps, but then again we will probably win games we had no right to be in in the first place.
The two weeks off for practice is exactly what the doctor ordered.
by piketaylor on Nov 8, 2007 9:07 AM EST 0 recs
I think ...
To me, it looked like Ramel Bradley and Joe Crawford simply rebelled. They decided Gillispie's game plan wasn't going to work, so they instituted their own.
The results were predictable. The team and the coach were not only not on the same page, they were not even reading from the same book.
by Truzenzuzex on
Nov 8, 2007 9:17 AM EST
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Exactly
by MartinGolf9 on
Nov 8, 2007 10:41 AM EST
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This is just silly
But when its BCG on the sideline it's all part of some master plan.
Yeeeeeah, riiiiiight.
by JLeverenz on
Nov 8, 2007 11:58 AM EST
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Dude...
Second game of a new coach with two guys that Tubby couldn't get solid productivity out of for three years and a bunch of sofs and freshies, yes BG gets ALL the space, cover and get-out-of-jail-free cards he wants.
by wilson452 on
Nov 8, 2007 12:14 PM EST
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Except
It's more or less the reaction that every big time program gets when it loses to a team it has no business losing to.
Look, this isn't Pitino picking up the pieces after probation. This is a team that a lot of us were (and still are) excited about. It has some talent and some solid role players. Everybody knew there were going to be hiccups along the way, but I defy you to find me 3 people who honestly believed G-W would be one of those hiccups.
It seems to me that every person who says that Smith needed to go because he wasn't meeting "UK Standards" ought to be equally irked that UK lost, at home, to a team it had no serious business losing to, new coach or not.
by JLeverenz on
Nov 8, 2007 1:26 PM EST
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I wonder
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on
Nov 8, 2007 1:38 PM EST
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Some of them ...
by Truzenzuzex on
Nov 8, 2007 1:57 PM EST
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That is certainly not what I am saying
I do give the new coach a little more latitude today than I would have given Tubby today.
- Very few of us have had time to find and watch a bunch of BCG games.
- We don't know his body language like we did Tubby after 10 years.
- It is game 2. We don't know his style.
- Our "on-court leaders" have stated on Television that they are having a hard time buying in and they certainly play like it.
- We have only facts to run with. BCG recruited like, 1 guy and came in as a relief pitcher and closed the game on Paterson and I actually think Tubby was in the lead for him when he left. The rest has talent and heart but they are still getting to know each other as they all heal from some injury or another.
Yes, I was for a coaching change but was not a "Hater" of Tubby. I notice that many of the handles of those with your point of view were the Pro-Tubby crowd as well. So, what does that say? Let's not make this like politics here. We don't need two camps who think the other side is a bunch of idiots just because.
It is what it is, a crap hole of a loss. Trust me, if this becomes a habit, all leash given to BCG today will be over. Until then, he gets time and any speculation on "grand plans" or the like is just entertainment. However, if he hit a point last night where he had a few know-it-alls playing their own game and said "Fine. Do what you want and you will pay later" that is his call. We don't have to like it and the players certainly will not like it but again, that is another bit of conjecture.
I HATE loosing to GW. I am mad. However, in two games, he ABSOLUTELY gets more room today than Tubby would have gotten today. To think otherwise is equally as blind as those making "excuses" for BCG and hell, I admit, I am to a point. In these times of unthinkable reality, the human runs for answers form anyplace we can find it. The mind, the stats, tarot cards, Chris Angel, Karl Rove....
11/7Truth.org anyone?
I heard if you fold a UK diploma in a certain way it shows C.M. Newton floating in the clouds and pointing to what looks like the scoreboard from last night. SPOOKY.
by wilson452 on
Nov 8, 2007 5:09 PM EST
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No doubt we shouldn't have lost to GW....
by MartinGolf9 on
Nov 8, 2007 1:40 PM EST
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I agree with you on Gillispie
I didn't get to watch the Central Arkansas game, I only read ASoB and the AP account afterwards. If I had watched it, then as you say, I might have been more worried about G-W.
I guess what bothers me most is not so much the loss, but an apparent double standard in the treatment of the coach after the loss: when Smith would lose a game, the grumblers would come out and play. When Gillispie loses a game, I see comments about how it's part of some greater plan.
Looking back on my previous posts, I do think I went a bit overboard on the expectations in beating G-W. I still don't think it should have happened, new coach or no, but I also recognize the circumstances dictate that I give the team and the coach more slack early in the season.
And who knows? Maybe by the end of the season we'll learn that G-W just has a great team this year.
by JLeverenz on
Nov 8, 2007 4:21 PM EST
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Can't say I honestly believed, but
by senowen on
Nov 8, 2007 3:30 PM EST
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Gillispie
G-W game out with a perfect game plan and executed it to perfection. That's okay. That happens because there are a lot of smart guys out there coaching basketball. What's inexcusable (to me anyway) is that Gillispie was either unable or unwilling to make adjustments to counter that game plan. BCG is still a rather young coach, but he has enough experience that he should have been able to come up with some adjustment at half-time. Instead, the second half looked a lot like the first.
by JLeverenz on Nov 8, 2007 9:19 AM EST 0 recs
Which leads us ...
- Knew it wasn't going to work and wanted to see how the team reacted to adversity; or
- Knew it could work, but the execution was so poor it didn't, and wanted to demonstrate that.
I tend to gravitate to the first. I believe coaches learn far more from adversity than they do success. I'm assuming that it wasn't sheer stupidity or incompetence, as those seem very unlikely given the Coach's track record.
by Truzenzuzex on
Nov 8, 2007 9:26 AM EST
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Well...
In fact, I think that makes a certain amount of sense, simply because he has not yet gotten to know his players well enough to know who he can and can't rely on to do certain things yet. He hasn't seen them in game action enough to know who the best player is to ask to guard certain types of players or guard against certain types of plays.
But you find out those things by trying them, then learning through adversity if it doesn't work (as you said above) and learning something positive about a guy if it does. From what I saw last night, it didn't seem like he tried any adjustments and I don't see how you learn anything about your team that way.
by JLeverenz on
Nov 8, 2007 4:40 PM EST
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Yes ...
I just refuse to acknowledge that possibility right now. Not enough data points in that direction.
by Truzenzuzex on
Nov 8, 2007 4:47 PM EST
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Again
I'm just saying that it is a possibility that he has incomplete knowledge of what he can and cannot ask each of his players to do, which (if true) would be perfectly understandable given the circumstances.
That said, I don't understand why there was no (apparent) attempt to make adjustments at halftime to learn those things. I just can't accept "Well, I wanted to see how they would handle losing." as a valid reason for not making halftime adjustments.
by JLeverenz on
Nov 8, 2007 4:55 PM EST
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And to belabor mine ...
I think he may have been trying to see how they would respond to adversity (i.e. being behind) and his coaching, but I don't think he ever intended to lose the game, and I have never and will never suggest that.
Gillispie truly believes that pressure defense is the way to stop back cuts. He may be right, but clearly, the Cats weren't executing it in the way it had to be executed to prevent back cuts and open threes, and he just wasn't willing to compromise for whatever reason until the game was truly in imminent danger of slipping away -- at which point, he clearly did. Turned out to be too little too late, but that happens.
by Truzenzuzex on
Nov 8, 2007 5:19 PM EST
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This
I would never believe that Gillispie would let this team lose to teach them a lesson. Instead, he was putting in players to see how they handled the situation, and which, if any, would rise to the occasion.
Gillispie, but more importantly perhaps the players, understand that this was a very bad loss.
I certainly wouldn't want to be Liberty in two weeks.
by piketaylor on
Nov 8, 2007 6:32 PM EST
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Lame.
The real culprit to me is dead legs, and that's all on Coach. How did so many backdoor cuts work? No spring. How did so many layups fall off the front of the rim? Dead legs.
I am not implying that Gillispie did anything wrong, or should have run his kids less. That's his call. But it's my call to say that when you're playing back-to-back nights, perhaps having a late evening film session and then a full practice on gameday of the second day isn't the best way to get prepared for the game, even if it is Gardner-Webb.
That said, I do agree that this team will see better days. But despite our wishful thinking, we may have to resign ourselves to the idea that we're going to be playing the underdog card all year. If we beat a UNC, Louisville or some such, it'll be a surprise, not a matchup of even teams.
One thing is abundantly clear, and that is that Ramel Bradley is the worst "good" player at UK in a decade. His decision-making skills are nearly non-existent, and his strengths manage to turn into weaknesses for his team. This despite a clear amount of talent.
The kid just kills his own team.
No one seems to want to talk about Jodie Meeks' miserable night, new hero Mark Coury's single-handed destruction of the first 5 minutes or the fact that Perry Stevenson can't catch the f*cking ball.
But hey, at least Billy can't bitch and moan about having to play more games. He's now got an extra week to run his kids ragged.
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by JL Blue on Nov 8, 2007 9:21 AM EST 0 recs
"willing to lose"
Probably not willing, but possibly determined to prove various things at almost any cost. By the time he made adjustments, which he did in the second half, it was far too late.
There is no other rational explanation for staying in pressure when it was obviously taken away from us. That's basketball 101. There is a counter for every defensive scheme in basketball, which is why coaches have counters for the counter, and so on.
The team looked very tired, and I am quite certain that was a big part of it. But even a tired Kentucky aught to be able to overcome Gardner-Webb. But apparently not.
Meeks has had two miserable nights in a row, and yes, Coury had a lousy game. But those guys are sophomores, one of them a walk-on. Stephenson also played badly, in my opinion.
But this one goes on the seniors and the coach.
by Truzenzuzex on
Nov 8, 2007 9:34 AM EST
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Players
We know Meeks is better than this and will play better games.
Coury is a walk on, and last night showed why. I think the problem is more with the expectations of what he can do and less with what he actually does (if that makes sense).
I agree Perry needs to learn to catch the ball, but we knew that already. How is this game any different from the first 3 other than the outcome?
by JLeverenz on
Nov 8, 2007 12:03 PM EST
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Um... wow?
Not to say he's wrong, because he isn't.
by Clandestine on
Nov 8, 2007 2:43 PM EST
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Hmmm... Something seems off
How they played as a team....
How they did all the little things...
How our team wasn't doing that yet...
He made a point of saying that this team was playing the way we should be playing.
Couple that with the observations I had read thus far...including Tru's comment about the (possibly)seniors rebelling (possibly).
Having watched Coach G's A&M Teams a little, I can say what happened last night isn't typical. He is generally a very active coach.
Do you think perhaps that he was letting the team see what happens when they try to play/win on talent alone? Thats always been an issue with Ramel and Joe. Perhaps this was a way to show them (embarass them even) that talent doesn't win games... playing as a team does.
Now coach has 2 weeks to work them. And 2 hours of game tape that will probably be on a loop in the locker room the rest of the season.
So, I am stunned at the loss, but for some reason I am not upset. I think this might be just the kick in the butt that is needed to push this team to overacheive.
by sylvar on Nov 8, 2007 10:26 AM EST 0 recs
Agree...
Do I think he saw it coming and then used it to make a point to a few guys who have said on local TV with Alan Cutler that he "crawford" is "having a hard time buying in" and that "other" are as well.
Nothing jerks a not in their tails like an embarassing loss and the "Told you so" coach for two weeks until you get to go out and actually DO WHAT HE SAYS or move aside!
Did Tubby leave us totally broken and bare? NO
Do I think he saw a crappy year ahead as he weighed the sub-par year he just had and took a nice offer? HELL YES HE DID.
BG will get Ramel and Crawford on board or we will loose 12-13 games. If we sart loosing I hope they are sitting on the bench while other get the experience of game time.
by wilson452 on
Nov 8, 2007 12:05 PM EST
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I was ...
Win or lose, it wasn't going to be pretty. Its almost like when you tell your kids over and over again the best way to do something....then you turn them loose to do it and they don't listen. Sometimes all you can do is shake your head and watch them fail...if they wouldn't listen before, trying to get them to listen while they are under fire just makes them more stubborn. :) At least thats how I was growing up.
I never mentioned Tubby. I agree that he didn't leave us totally bare....but we aren't stocked either. Actually, My biggest complaint about Tubby were early season losses just like this one...Team never seemed ready to play early on. I am not giving BG a pass on this one, but it isn't a trend.....yet.
I concur that Joe and Ramel need to get it together or sit.
by sylvar on
Nov 8, 2007 12:30 PM EST
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Billy G
Billy G strikes me as a man with a plan and one who is building his team for the postseason. He seems unwilling to alter his plan in order to avoid one loss so as to better prepare his team for later in the season. Thats not a bad thing.
Ask the Pistons about it. They are introducing several young players this season and will probably have to sacrifice some regular season wins (which their vets could pull out) in order to get the young kids some court time so come playoff time they are an asset and not a liability. I hate this loss as much as everyone else but I think G is looking at the big picture and we may have to sacrifice some non conference wins in order to be better towards the end of the season.
by davw83 on Nov 8, 2007 10:38 AM EST 0 recs
more..
"You can't just show up on the court and think you're going to beat somebody because you wear a certain jersey," said Gillispie
Seems to reinforce what I was thinking.
by sylvar on Nov 8, 2007 10:40 AM EST 0 recs
Well, I don't feel better at all
- I'm out 80 bucks on tickets to MSG and now have to resort to selling them on Craigslist.
- I have yet to see UK play this season and it seems I'm going to have to wait even longer now. That sucks. Yeah I could watch some internet copy of the games now, but I hate watching games when I already know the outcome.
by senowen on Nov 8, 2007 11:02 AM EST 0 recs
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by JL Blue on
Nov 8, 2007 11:04 AM EST
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Bummer.
by Truzenzuzex on
Nov 8, 2007 12:34 PM EST
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Crazy night
Why is he not starting Crawford, after 20 points the night before?
There was some booing last night because of lousy play. Having a 1000 or so people booing you can not help a 20 year old confidence, the crowd on the whole was supportive. It was the most I have stood this season.
I have never heard of Garner Webb, and it is embarrassing that we did not win our home court tournament, and that Garner Webb gets to go to NYC.
Honeymoons over so soon. It will be a long season.
by wesco on Nov 8, 2007 11:07 AM EST 0 recs
Chicken Little.....
- Bradley - 40
- Patterson - 32
- Meeks - 30
- Crawford - 25
- Coury - 22
Gillispie is looking for a group that will play as a team. Having a team high in points doesn't mean you were the most productive player on the court, but it could mean you are the most selfish. Gillispie said early during the exibition games, if you lead this team in rebounds or assists you will start. He never said anything about scoring, if you do the other two scoring will come as a part of the process.
Gillispie gets as many free passes or get out of jail free cards as he wants until he has the time to get his players in there. That will be at least 2 to 3 years. I personally don't think it will take that long for BCG to add his stamp to the CATS and show us a much improved team from the last few years.
by MartinGolf9 on
Nov 8, 2007 1:25 PM EST
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Surprised but not schocked
The game film should be used over and over as a teaching tool. It is not to show what UK did or did not do but rather to watch a great lesson in sound fundamental basketball played as a team. Crisp passing, finding the open man, tenacious defense and blocking out. I found myself enjoying the game while cheering on an inferior UK team. I must admit I loved watching GW play. Congrats to them on the win and thanks for the lesson. Hopefully we use it.
I am convinced we will. It may take 2 or 3 years but I still like the hire. Go BCG!
Mo
by modcpa on Nov 8, 2007 2:12 PM EST 0 recs
Boos
I'm not saying I would have booed were I at the game, but I don't feel sorry for players who couldn't guard a backdoor cut or get back to guard a fast break, something I learned playing in the YMCA league at age 10.
by GregJ on Nov 8, 2007 2:23 PM EST 0 recs
Just Leave....
by MartinGolf9 on
Nov 8, 2007 3:52 PM EST
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Hey Tru,
by sylvar on Nov 8, 2007 2:33 PM EST 0 recs
Very vile
by Acdixon on
Nov 8, 2007 2:57 PM EST
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BTW
by senowen on
Nov 8, 2007 3:33 PM EST
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Nicely done
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on
Nov 8, 2007 3:50 PM EST
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Thank you
by senowen on
Nov 8, 2007 3:56 PM EST
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Believe me ...
It may seem vile to you, but compared to conversations I've had with him, it is positively fair.
by Truzenzuzex on
Nov 8, 2007 4:06 PM EST
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I admit to being confused...
????
Hard to tell whether he's for or against Gillispie, just evident that he's enjoying kicking UK while we're "down." Honestly, I think he mostly just enjoyed all his hilarious jokes about no one knowing who the hell Gardner-Webb is.
by Kilgore Trout on
Nov 8, 2007 4:58 PM EST
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For Sale Sign....
by MartinGolf9 on Nov 8, 2007 4:00 PM EST 0 recs
This is a joke, right?
by strawmanmunny on
Nov 8, 2007 4:34 PM EST
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Not a Joke....but no pix
by MartinGolf9 on
Nov 8, 2007 4:51 PM EST
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Just sad
After we reel off several wins, everyone will be saying that we are going to win the NCAA and Gillispie is a GOD. Some of our fans need a healthy dose of perspective.
by strawmanmunny on
Nov 8, 2007 5:08 PM EST
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That's Definately.....
by MartinGolf9 on
Nov 9, 2007 8:30 AM EST
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As we say on the Internet...
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on
Nov 8, 2007 4:43 PM EST
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Fan derangement ...
by Truzenzuzex on
Nov 8, 2007 4:49 PM EST
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firebilly.com
by MartinGolf9 on Nov 8, 2007 4:19 PM EST 0 recs
Thanks
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on
Nov 8, 2007 4:49 PM EST
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BCG
by CAWebb on Nov 8, 2007 5:34 PM EST 0 recs
This is so ... unsurprising.
We were embarrassed, and now the fans are feeling the embarrassment of an unexpected loss. It's just a bump in the road, and I am kind of enjoying watching the national sports media make a spectacle of themselves.
For our part, we must find a bit of serenity in all this. We have been through much tougher times than one loss can ever bring. Imagine how satisfying it will be when the shoe is on the other foot, as it will be. Probably sooner, rather than later.
by Truzenzuzex on
Nov 8, 2007 6:33 PM EST
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I like
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on
Nov 8, 2007 7:02 PM EST
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Not surprising
I'm not surprised, nor offended; and I really hope you don't take what the ranting and raving media says for face value. When Louisville or Duke or any other team loses badly, they get mocked too. Kentucky will have a "off-their-game" tone on every report you see until Kentucky gets into the Final Four. Then we'll be beat over the head with "Kentucky is back!" stories. Sheesh, we never left!
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