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After a night's sleep, does anyone feel better?

There is simply no muse like a traumatic, unexpected event.

Just a few days ago, I was struggling to come up with things to talk about -- football was still in the interregnum of a bye week, the basketball team was beating up on cupcakes -- there just wasn't a lot to write about.  All that changed last night with the defeat of Kentucky at the hands of ... Gardner-Webb.  Say that again -- Kentucky lost to Gardner-Webb ... by 16 in Rupp Arena!  Sounds like something you might read on The Onion, but folks, this one is just as real this morning as it was last night when I went to bed.

I will be using this post to highlight news links, and updating the news box below a bit later.  It takes time to do, and right now, I am more interested in making a few points for discussion.

Number one:  I see an awful lot of people blaming this loss on Tubby Smith.  Folks, that is just silly.  Even if we were to accept the argument that Smith left the cupboard bare, blaming this loss on lack of talent is utterly non-sequitur.  We have two seniors who were highly ranked, one of them a high school all-American, several highly ranked sophomores, two freshmen high school all-Americans, and a hot new coach who has resurrected programs far worse off than us.  I wonder if Gardner-Webb had a 3-star among them?  That fact alone aught to be enough to win against a team like Gardener-Webb.  May I respectfully suggest that if you feel the urge to continue to blame Tubby Smith for everything bad that happens to the Wildcats, you are doing the Big Blue Nation, but more importantly your own credibility, a disservice.

Number two:  Those fans who "booed", I hope you were booing the referees and the other team.  I chose to believe that for now.  If you weren't, you need to grow up.  These things happen during transitions.  Get over it, or prepare for nasty reprovals.  I will show you no mercy.

Number three:  For those of you griping about pre-season tournaments, Kentucky isn't going to stop playing in them.  Gardner-Webb had just as much (or just as little) practice time as we did.  If you want to blame it on something, blame it on the exhibition games.  I have never quite figured out why we play those.

Number four:  No matter how dark this seems, just remember that there are worse things.  For example, we don't have to explain this for the rest of our lives.  That's something to be thankful for.

Number five:  Is this one of the worst defeats Kentucky has suffered at Rupp Arena?  Yes, it is, but it isn't the only bad loss we have had here.  Sooner or later, every team is going to go through this, even the mighty UK.  It sucks, but it is a fact of life.

I would like to bring some blogger reax from the BBN, but I have seen some things that would cause me to make comments I might regret, so I think I'll just let people vent in their little corner of cyberspace for now.  After things have calmed down a bit, we'll bring some of those on board.  So instead, let's go to some other bloggers and media types who have less invested in the team:

John Clay gets the tone just about right, and Billy Gillispie himself tells us who is at fault:

"The guy to blame for that is me," said Gillispie. "No question about it. It's all on my shoulders. We got our tails kicked."
I think there is plenty of blame to go around here.  Our seniors get a good of it for playing awful, and an utter failure to lead the team, but make no mistake -- Gillispie's strategy for this game blew up big time.  It happens, but let's just not let it happen too often.  Clay also relates the Pittsburgh loss Pitino suffered some time back.  This one is worse than that, but no more or less disappointing to me.

Kyle at Putting Up Bricks (some sweet synchronicity in that name, don't you think?) wonders if Billy G. might be missing College Station right about now:
Is College Station, or even El Paso where Gillispie broke into the game, looking good now? The Kentucky fanbase was merciless toward last head coach Tubby Smith...and Tubby won a national championship less than a decade ago. Are dark days ahead for Gillispie?
I'd say based on the reaction I have seen, the dark days are pretty much here already.

Rush the Court wonders if firebillygillispie.com is up yet:
Well, Coach, UK fans were already booing tonight, and with good reason. You're going to have to figure out how to become Daniel Boone in a hurry, or things could get very ugly for you there.
Things are ugly now, but it will calm down.  And there is never a good reason to boo your team.  Period.

To the mainstream media, of course we have DeCourcy, who doesn't pull any punches, but ends on a note of optimism (of sorts):
Losing this game does not necessarily condemn Kentucky to the kind of season North Carolina endured in 2001-02. (Sorry, UK fans, but the notion of that 8-20 nightmare had to have crossed your minds). It does suggest more realistic expectations need to be adopted and Gillispie given time to repair the program's recruiting apparatus.
Actually, it never did cross my mind, Mike, not even once until you mentioned it.  Our team may have looked broken last night, but the truth is, it is merely a cobbled-together shell of what it will be in a few weeks.  Most UK fans realize this, even if those outside the program have no real reason to.

Finally, Mike at Card Chronicle sums up the game beautifully:
And just how well had Rick Scruggs prepared these guys? They attacked off the dribble, they made the proper adjustments when they were called for, and it looked like they had a perfect plan to defend everyone on UK, with the exception of Alex Legion whom Scruggs' staff hadn't had the opportunity to see much of. And how awesome was it to see the gorgeous passes to the cutter, and block outs so solid that the ball would hit the floor before a Runnin' Bulldog would grab it?
It's so tempting just to blame the loss on bad play, and we certainly provided a lot of that.  But it is extremely unfair to Gardner-Webb not to notice their outstanding game plan, near-flawless execution, and gritty determination in the face of a far superior foe in a hostile arena.  They rose to the occasion and played great basketball.  The Cats fiddled while Rupp burned.

So there we are, my brothers and sisters in blue -- the bad and the ugly.  There is no good, unless you count two uninterrupted weeks of practice -- something, I think it's safe to say, this team needs quite a bit of.

Update [2007-11-8 12:30:37 by Truzenzuzex]:  Aaaannd now ... We get the Pat Forde treatment:

So now we'll see how long it takes new Cat coach Billy Gillispie to get the Lloyd Carr treatment for an unconscionable, unforeseeable but absolutely unmistakable loss.

At least Carr lost close, 34-32, with a game-winning field goal attempt blocked on the final play. Gillispie's Kentucky team was never in the game. They trailed 14-0 out of the gates and only briefly got the deficit into single digits.

Lloyd Carr after one game?  You would think that Pat forgot he used to write around here.  He's gone all TLT Jeff Goodman on us.

Gotta give The Loathsome Troll Jeff Goodman credit, though -- UK didn't show up in his top 25 (although I think that was for a reason other than merit, but who knows?)

Update [2007-11-8 17:11:27 by Truzenzuzex]:  Heh.  Great -- we made the WaPo.

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I posted this in the other thread,
but I think it still bears repeating.

Call me crazy on this, but I have a theory, or maybe it is just wishful thinking, on why Coach G didn't change the gameplan midway through.

I have watched Gillispie coach, and frankly the guy is fantastic at it.  He knows just how to tweak his offense and defense to give himself the ever so slight advantage, when on some occasions, his team never should have had one.

My theory is this.  This game is VERY early on in the season.  I honestly believe that Gillispie changed nothing to see how his players would react.  Look at the lineup patterns at the end of the game.  Gillispie was trying to find a group of players that would hustle and scrap back.  He was putting it on their shoulders, that way he would know who were the tough ones, the ones that he could put in late in the game to either stave off a comeback or to begin one.  

Let's face the obvious.  Despite all our faults, we are a far more talented team than Gardner-Webb, and we are a much more deep team.  

But in the long run of things, this game does not truly mean much.  Yes, a loss is still tough to swallow, but it's only the second game of the season.  If the fans truly think that this is how this team will play for the rest of the season, then you may as well just turn the tv off for the rest of the year.  We will take our lumps, but then again we will probably win games we had no right to be in in the first place.

The two weeks off for practice is exactly what the doctor ordered.

by piketaylor on Nov 8, 2007 9:07 AM EST   0 recs

I think ...
that could be right.

To me, it looked like Ramel Bradley and Joe Crawford simply rebelled.  They decided Gillispie's game plan wasn't going to work, so they instituted their own.

The results were predictable.  The team and the coach were not only not on the same page, they were not even reading from the same book.

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 8, 2007 9:17 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly
what I think as well.  The team needs PRACTICE...something they really haven't had much of and that shows.  Don't start throwing the towel in 2 games into the season.  Look at the team we have, mostly made up of Freshman and Sophmores with 2 seniors that can have a tendancy to be selfish but at the same time could be great.  When this team learns to play like a team and gets a little work under their belts I think everyone will be amazed and look back on this game as a teaching tool.  Don't start thinking the Sky is Falling...be patient!
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by MartinGolf9 on Nov 8, 2007 10:41 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

This is just silly
If it had been Tubby Smith on the sideline last night, everyone would be howling about how Smith can't coach, can't recruit, pulls players too soon, leaves players in too long, doesn't call his mom on Mother's Day, and kicks puppies.

But when its BCG on the sideline it's all part of some master plan.

Yeeeeeah, riiiiiight.

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by JLeverenz on Nov 8, 2007 11:58 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Dude...
After 10 years of building your team and program, if this happened, hell yes Tubby would have gotten serious heat.

Second game of a new coach with two guys that Tubby couldn't get solid productivity out of for three years and a bunch of sofs and freshies, yes BG gets ALL the space, cover and get-out-of-jail-free cards he wants.

by wilson452 on Nov 8, 2007 12:14 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Agreed....
100%
C....A....T....S CATS CATS CATS

by MartinGolf9 on Nov 8, 2007 1:08 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Except
This is the reaction that came after (nearly) every game that Smith lost, whether it was in his first year or his tenth.

It's more or less the reaction that every big time program gets when it loses to a team it has no business losing to.

Look, this isn't Pitino picking up the pieces after probation.  This is a team that a lot of us were (and still are) excited about.  It has some talent and some solid role players.  Everybody knew there were going to be hiccups along the way, but I defy you to find me 3 people who honestly believed G-W would be one of those hiccups.

It seems to me that every person who says that Smith needed to go because he wasn't meeting "UK Standards" ought to be equally irked that UK lost, at home, to a team it had no serious business losing to, new coach or not.

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by JLeverenz on Nov 8, 2007 1:26 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I wonder
If the people who said Smith needed to go because he wasn't meeting "UK Standards" are the same people who are saying this loss is still Tubby's fault.
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by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Nov 8, 2007 1:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Some of them ...
are, because I recognize their handles over at TCP.

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 8, 2007 1:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

That is certainly not what I am saying
I do not blame this on Tubby. Tubby is not here.
I do give the new coach a little more latitude today than I would have given Tubby today.
  1. Very few of us have had time to find and watch a bunch of BCG games.
  2. We don't know his body language like we did Tubby after 10 years.
  3. It is game 2. We don't know his style.
  4. Our "on-court leaders" have stated on Television that they are having a hard time buying in and they certainly play like it.
  5. We have only facts to run with. BCG recruited like, 1 guy and came in as a relief pitcher and closed the game on Paterson and I actually think Tubby was in the lead for him when he left. The rest has talent and heart but they are still getting to know each other as they all heal from some injury or another.
I once did a major sales presentation with a bad cold a new sales manager in the room. SUCKED! It was a done deal and I blew it.

Yes, I was for a coaching change but was not a "Hater" of Tubby. I notice that many of the handles of those with your point of view were the Pro-Tubby crowd as well. So, what does that say? Let's not make this like politics here. We don't need two camps who think the other side is a bunch of idiots just because.

It is what it is, a crap hole of a loss. Trust me, if this becomes a habit, all leash given to BCG today will be over. Until then, he gets time and any speculation on "grand plans" or the like is just entertainment. However, if he hit a point last night where he had a few know-it-alls playing their own game and said "Fine. Do what you want and you will pay later" that is his call. We don't have to like it and the players certainly will not like it but again, that is another bit of conjecture.

I HATE loosing to GW. I am mad. However, in two games, he ABSOLUTELY gets more room today than Tubby would have gotten today. To think otherwise is equally as blind as those making "excuses" for BCG and hell, I admit, I am to a point. In these times of unthinkable reality, the human runs for answers form anyplace we can find it. The mind, the stats, tarot cards, Chris Angel, Karl Rove....

11/7Truth.org anyone?

I heard if you fold a UK diploma in a certain way it shows C.M. Newton floating in the clouds and pointing to what looks like the scoreboard from last night. SPOOKY.

by wilson452 on Nov 8, 2007 5:09 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

No doubt we shouldn't have lost to GW....
but you can't tell me that after letting Central Arkansas hang around for a while then let them make runs on us didn't give you the least of doubts about whether we could pick it up the very next day and be a different team...it just doesn't happen like that.  We shouldn't have lost but we did.  I will just be interested to see what the team looks like in 2 weeks now that Gillispie will have the time to actually practice them.  I think the Liberty game will be the true tale, if the team isn't better then that will be a different story.  Still not a reason to think we didn't make the right hire or that Tubby was any better than BCG, because I have no doubts that we have the absolute best coach for UK!  BCG gets time to get his players in, once he does that we will be a much improved team, reason being:  He Recruits!  Tubby didn't and we are seeing the results of that.  I don't care how great of a coach you are, if you get average players in you have to be that much better to make your team great.  Bring in Great players and you can be an average coach with a great team.  I personally believe we have a great coach who will bring in great players!
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by MartinGolf9 on Nov 8, 2007 1:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I agree with you on Gillispie
I should be much clearer about this: I absolutely agree that Gillispie is the right man for the job.  I also agree that he will have this team playing better and better as the season progresses and I am looking forward to watching that development.

I didn't get to watch the Central Arkansas game, I only read ASoB and the AP account afterwards.  If I had watched it, then as you say, I might have been more worried about G-W.

I guess what bothers me most is not so much the loss, but an apparent double standard in the treatment of the coach after the loss: when Smith would lose a game, the grumblers would come out and play.  When Gillispie loses a game, I see comments about how it's part of some greater plan.

Looking back on my previous posts, I do think I went a bit overboard on the expectations in beating G-W.  I still don't think it should have happened, new coach or no, but I also recognize the circumstances dictate that I give the team and the coach more slack early in the season.

And who knows?  Maybe by the end of the season we'll learn that G-W just has a great team this year.

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by JLeverenz on Nov 8, 2007 4:21 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Can't say I honestly believed, but
I honestly was worried about us losing to G-W.  Some of it was paranoia about not being able to go to MSG, but some of it was honest timidity about the prospects of the team playing well a day after not playing well and then practicing in the morning.  With no frontcourt depth or experience, and with no PG (right now), and no real leadership, this team is going to lose a lot of games it should win this season.  People are just going to have to accept it.  Both Duke and NC have had losing seasons during rebuilding years within recent memory.  This team has the TALENT to play well by the end of the year.  But the team does not have the experience/confidence/leadership to do so right now.  I HATE losing, but lets not be delusional about the Cats prospects for this year.

by senowen on Nov 8, 2007 3:30 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Gillispie
My thoughts while watching the game and after a good night's sleep is that Gillispie bears the brunt of the blame for this loss.

G-W game out with a perfect game plan and executed it to perfection.  That's okay.  That happens because there are a lot of smart guys out there coaching basketball.  What's inexcusable (to me anyway) is that Gillispie was either unable or unwilling to make adjustments to counter that game plan.  BCG is still a rather young coach, but he has enough experience that he should have been able to come up with some adjustment at half-time.  Instead, the second half looked a lot like the first.

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by JLeverenz on Nov 8, 2007 9:19 AM EST   0 recs

Which leads us ...
to the inescapable conclusion that he quite probably

  • Knew it wasn't going to work and wanted to see how the team reacted to adversity; or

  • Knew it could work, but the execution was so poor it didn't, and wanted to demonstrate that.

I tend to gravitate to the first.  I believe coaches learn far more from adversity than they do success.  I'm assuming that it wasn't sheer stupidity or incompetence, as those seem very unlikely given the Coach's track record.

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 8, 2007 9:26 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well...
I don't think your conclusions are necessarily inescapable.  There's also the conclusion that Gillispie just had no idea what to do, just not because of incompetence.

In fact, I think that makes a certain amount of sense, simply because he has not yet gotten to know his players well enough to know who he can and can't rely on to do certain things yet.  He hasn't seen them in game action enough to know who the best player is to ask to guard certain types of players or guard against certain types of plays.

But you find out those things by trying them, then learning through adversity if it doesn't work (as you said above) and learning something positive about a guy if it does.  From what I saw last night, it didn't seem like he tried any adjustments and I don't see how you learn anything about your team that way.

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by JLeverenz on Nov 8, 2007 4:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yes ...
you are right, there is that.  Incompetence is always a possibility.

I just refuse to acknowledge that possibility right now.  Not enough data points in that direction.

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 8, 2007 4:47 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Again
Just to belabor my point one more time (call it Tim McCarver hangover from the World Series), I'm not saying that Gillispie is a stupid coach, clearly he is not from what he has accomplished at previous coaching gigs.

I'm just saying that it is a possibility that he has incomplete knowledge of what he can and cannot ask each of his players to do, which (if true) would be perfectly understandable given the circumstances.

That said, I don't understand why there was no (apparent) attempt to make adjustments at halftime to learn those things.  I just can't accept "Well, I wanted to see how they would handle losing." as a valid reason for not making halftime adjustments.

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by JLeverenz on Nov 8, 2007 4:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

And to belabor mine ...
I have not, do not and would not ever suggest that he was trying to "see how they would handle losing".  No coach does that.

I think he may have been trying to see how they would respond to adversity (i.e. being behind) and his coaching, but I don't think he ever intended to lose the game, and I have never and will never suggest that.

Gillispie truly believes that pressure defense is the way to stop back cuts.  He may be right, but clearly, the Cats weren't executing it in the way it had to be executed to prevent back cuts and open threes, and he just wasn't willing to compromise for whatever reason until the game was truly in imminent danger of slipping away -- at which point, he clearly did.  Turned out to be too little too late, but that happens.

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 8, 2007 5:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

This
was the original intent of my post.

I would never believe that Gillispie would let this team lose to teach them a lesson.  Instead, he was putting in players to see how they handled the situation, and which, if any, would rise to the occasion.

Gillispie, but more importantly perhaps the players,  understand that this was a very bad loss.  

I certainly wouldn't want to be Liberty in two weeks.

by piketaylor on Nov 8, 2007 6:32 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Lame.
I am sorry, but there is no scenario under which a coach is willing to lose to Gardner-Webb at home to prove a point. Especially not one as attuned to recruiting -- and negative recruiting -- as Gillispie.

The real culprit to me is dead legs, and that's all on Coach. How did so many backdoor cuts work? No spring. How did so many layups fall off the front of the rim? Dead legs.

I am not implying that Gillispie did anything wrong, or should have run his kids less. That's his call. But it's my call to say that when you're playing back-to-back nights, perhaps having a late evening film session and then a full practice on gameday of the second day isn't the best way to get prepared for the game, even if it is Gardner-Webb.

That said, I do agree that this team will see better days. But despite our wishful thinking, we may have to resign ourselves to the idea that we're going to be playing the underdog card all year. If we beat a UNC, Louisville or some such, it'll be a surprise, not a matchup of even teams.

One thing is abundantly clear, and that is that Ramel Bradley is the worst "good" player at UK in a decade. His decision-making skills are nearly non-existent, and his strengths manage to turn into weaknesses for his team. This despite a clear amount of talent.

The kid just kills his own team.

No one seems to want to talk about Jodie Meeks' miserable night, new hero Mark Coury's single-handed destruction of the first 5 minutes or the fact that Perry Stevenson can't catch the f*cking ball.

But hey, at least Billy can't bitch and moan about having to play more games. He's now got an extra week to run his kids ragged.

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by JL Blue on Nov 8, 2007 9:21 AM EST   0 recs

"willing to lose"
is the operative term.

Probably not willing, but possibly determined to prove various things at almost any cost.  By the time he made adjustments, which he did in the second half, it was far too late.

There is no other rational explanation for staying in pressure when it was obviously taken away from us.  That's basketball 101.  There is a counter for every defensive scheme in basketball, which is why coaches have counters for the counter, and so on.

The team looked very tired, and I am quite certain that was a big part of it.  But even a tired Kentucky aught to be able to overcome Gardner-Webb.  But apparently not.

Meeks has had two miserable nights in a row, and yes, Coury had a lousy game.  But those guys are sophomores, one of them a walk-on.  Stephenson also played badly, in my opinion.

But this one goes on the seniors and the coach.

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 8, 2007 9:34 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Players
I don't know that there's much to say about Meeks, Stevenson, and Coury.  Everyone has bad games,  it's just unfortunate that a lot of guys had bad games at the same time.

We know Meeks is better than this and will play better games.

Coury is a walk on, and last night showed why.  I think the problem is more with the expectations of what he can do and less with what he actually does (if that makes sense).

I agree Perry needs to learn to catch the ball, but we knew that already.  How is this game any different from the first 3 other than the outcome?

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by JLeverenz on Nov 8, 2007 12:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Um... wow?
Haven't seen that kind of honesty coming from JL before.

Not to say he's wrong, because he isn't.

by Clandestine on Nov 8, 2007 2:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm... Something seems off
I admit this isn't the news I expected when I logged in this morning.  But somehow I am not suprised.  Think about all the comments Billy G made about the GW team beforehand.

How they played as a team....
How they did all the little things...
How our team wasn't doing that yet...

He made a point of saying that this team was playing the way we should be playing.

Couple that with the observations I had read thus far...including Tru's comment about the (possibly)seniors rebelling (possibly).

Having watched Coach G's A&M Teams a little, I can say what happened last night isn't typical. He is generally a very active coach.

   Do you think perhaps that he was letting the team see what happens when they try to play/win on talent alone?  Thats always been an issue with Ramel and Joe.  Perhaps this was a way to show them (embarass them even) that talent doesn't win games... playing as a team does.

  Now coach has 2 weeks to work them. And 2 hours of game tape that will probably be on a loop in the locker room the rest of the season.

So, I am stunned at the loss, but for some reason I am not upset.  I think this might be just the kick in the butt that is needed to push this team to overacheive.

by sylvar on Nov 8, 2007 10:26 AM EST   0 recs

Agree...
I feel OK for what it will do for the "team" in the long run. Do I think he threw the game? NO
Do I think he saw it coming and then used it to make a point to a few guys who have said on local TV with Alan Cutler that he "crawford" is "having a hard time buying in" and that "other" are as well.

Nothing jerks a not in their tails like an embarassing loss and the "Told you so" coach for two weeks until you get to go out and actually DO WHAT HE SAYS or move aside!

Did Tubby leave us totally broken and bare? NO
Do I think he saw a crappy year ahead as he weighed the sub-par year he just had and took a nice offer? HELL YES HE DID.

BG will get Ramel and Crawford on board or we will loose 12-13 games. If we sart loosing I hope they are sitting on the bench while other get the experience of game time.

by wilson452 on Nov 8, 2007 12:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I was ...
not trying to imply that he threw the game.  Merely suggesting that he let the the team "Leaders" run the game in a manner inconsistent with what he was preaching...

Win or lose, it wasn't going to be pretty.  Its almost like when you tell your kids over and over again the best way to do something....then you turn them loose to do it and they don't listen.  Sometimes all you can do is shake your head and watch them fail...if they wouldn't listen before, trying to get them to listen while they are under fire just makes them more stubborn.  :) At least thats how I was growing up.

I never mentioned Tubby.  I agree that he didn't leave us totally bare....but we aren't stocked either.  Actually,  My biggest complaint about Tubby were early season losses just like this one...Team never seemed ready to play early on.  I am not giving BG a pass on this one, but it isn't a trend.....yet.

I concur that Joe and Ramel need to get it together or sit.

by sylvar on Nov 8, 2007 12:30 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Billy G
I dont think any coach wants to lose on purpose but I do kind of think that he sat back and let the players play with a purpose. In postgame he didnt seem all that upset but he did take all of the blame squarely on his own shoulders. I kind of like that he didnt finger point at players but basically said that as the head coach the buck stops here and it was his fault the CATS lost.

Billy G strikes me as a man with a plan and one who is building his team for the postseason. He seems unwilling to alter his plan in order to avoid one loss so as to better prepare his team for later in the season. Thats not a bad thing.
Ask the Pistons about it. They are introducing several young players this season and will probably have to sacrifice some regular season wins (which their vets could pull out) in order to get the young kids some court time so come playoff time they are an asset and not a liability. I hate this loss as much as everyone else but I think G is looking at the big picture and we may have to sacrifice some non conference wins in order to be better towards the end of the season.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Nov 8, 2007 10:38 AM EST   0 recs

more..
Just saw this post game comment:

"You can't just show up on the court and think you're going to beat somebody because you wear a certain jersey," said Gillispie

Seems to reinforce what I was thinking.

by sylvar on Nov 8, 2007 10:40 AM EST   0 recs

Well, I don't feel better at all
  1. I'm out 80 bucks on tickets to MSG and now have to resort to selling them on Craigslist.
  2. I have yet to see UK play this season and it seems I'm going to have to wait even longer now.  That sucks.  Yeah I could watch some internet copy of the games now, but I hate watching games when I already know the outcome.

by senowen on Nov 8, 2007 11:02 AM EST   0 recs

Stub Hub
Use Stub Hub and you're much more likely to get some good return ...

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by JL Blue on Nov 8, 2007 11:04 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Bummer.
I imagine you aren't the only one looking to sell some tickets to MSG.

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 8, 2007 12:34 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Crazy night
There is no rhyme or reason to BCG substitutions.   With tubby you saw a player make a mistake and you knew he was coming out to get some coaching.  Last night and the previous exhibition games it seems BCG pulls players as soon as they do well, and make a few baskets.  

Why is he not starting Crawford, after 20 points the night before?

There was some booing last night because of lousy play. Having a 1000 or so people booing you can not help a 20 year old confidence, the crowd on the whole was supportive.  It was the most I have stood this season.  

I have never heard of Garner Webb, and it is embarrassing that we did not win our home court tournament, and that Garner Webb gets to go to NYC.

Honeymoons over so soon.  It will be a long season.

by wesco on Nov 8, 2007 11:07 AM EST   0 recs

Chicken Little.....
Crawford did have 20 pts, yes, but he also had 2 rebounds, 1 assist and had a team high 4 turnovers.  I would say that if Gillispie wants this team to play as a team he would rather see Crawford getting his team mates involved more.  I would like to see Crawford provide some leadership, so far that is what has kept him out of the starting line up, IMO.  Besides what does it matter whether Crawford starts or not?  He played 18 minutes against Central Arkansas and 25 minutes against Garner Webb.  The top 5 in minutes played were:
  1. Bradley - 40
  2. Patterson - 32
  3. Meeks - 30
  4. Crawford - 25
  5. Coury - 22
I would think that it isn't whether you are starting or not that matters its how many quality minutes you play.

Gillispie is looking for a group that will play as a team.  Having a team high in points doesn't mean you were the most productive player on the court, but it could mean you are the most selfish.  Gillispie said early during the exibition games, if you lead this team in rebounds or assists you will start.  He never said anything about scoring, if you do the other two scoring will come as a part of the process.

Gillispie gets as many free passes or get out of jail free cards as he wants until he has the time to get his players in there.  That will be at least 2 to 3 years.  I personally don't think it will take that long for BCG to add his stamp to the CATS and show us a much improved team from the last few years.

C....A....T....S CATS CATS CATS

by MartinGolf9 on Nov 8, 2007 1:25 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Surprised but not schocked
I must admit I thought we would handle GW. That being said I am not shocked by UK losing an early game with likely more to come. IMO at #20 or #22 UK was significantly over rated. They're just not that good.... at this point.

The game film should be used over and over as a teaching tool. It is not to show what UK did or did not do but rather to watch a great lesson in sound fundamental basketball played as a team. Crisp passing, finding the open man, tenacious defense and blocking out. I found myself enjoying the game while cheering on an inferior UK team. I must admit I loved watching GW play. Congrats to them on the win and thanks for the lesson. Hopefully we use it.

I am convinced we will. It may take 2 or 3 years but I still like the hire. Go BCG!

Mo  

by modcpa on Nov 8, 2007 2:12 PM EST   0 recs

Boos
"Those fans who "booed"...These things happen during transitions.  Get over it, or prepare for nasty reprovals.  I will show you no mercy."

I'm not saying I would have booed were I at the game, but I don't feel sorry for players who couldn't guard a backdoor cut or get back to guard a fast break, something I learned playing in the YMCA league at age 10.

by GregJ on Nov 8, 2007 2:23 PM EST   0 recs

True Fan: Rule #1
Never boo your own team.

by Clandestine on Nov 8, 2007 2:46 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Just Leave....
I think anyone who is booing their team should be escorted from their seat and thrown out of the arena.  Fill the seat with a true supporter of the team, not someone who is only going to degrade their own team by booing them!
C....A....T....S CATS CATS CATS

by MartinGolf9 on Nov 8, 2007 3:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Hey Tru,
Don't give the Troll to much credit...look what he just posted.. its vile.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/7422198

by sylvar on Nov 8, 2007 2:33 PM EST   0 recs

Very vile
I, for one, had never heard of Jeff Goodman before I started reading ASoB, but now that I have, I think calling him "The Loathsome Troll" is an insult to loathsome trolls. This guy is an unabashed UK hater. He makes Billy Packer look like the guy who paints his torso blue at Rupp. Sick stuff. Blast away on this one, BBN.

by Acdixon on Nov 8, 2007 2:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

BTW
We don't use the "Billy Packer" word around here either.  Just use "Fudge" and everyone will understand.

by senowen on Nov 8, 2007 3:33 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Nicely done
I was hoping the Fudge comment would come out. +1 to you.
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by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Nov 8, 2007 3:50 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Thank you
Although I'm usually pretty restrained here, sometimes I can't help myself with the awkwardly inappropriate comments.  You only get the full effect live though.  I'm sure my friends and family could back me up on that.

by senowen on Nov 8, 2007 3:56 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Believe me ...
as the TLT Jeff Goodman goes, that was close to high praise.  

It may seem vile to you, but compared to conversations I've had with him, it is positively fair.

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 8, 2007 4:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I admit to being confused...
TLTroll waxes rhapsodic along with everyone's favorite song, "I told you so" when he says he knew CBC wasn't the right man for the job, (Izzo? Really?) and OTS never should have been "run out of town," but then concludes his story with "but Gillispie will dig them out," while continuing his diatribe with "he didn't understand the expectations, because there were no expectations in College Station." [paraphrased the intent]

????

Hard to tell whether he's for or against Gillispie, just evident that he's enjoying kicking UK while we're "down." Honestly, I think he mostly just enjoyed all his hilarious jokes about no one knowing who the hell Gardner-Webb is.

by Kilgore Trout on Nov 8, 2007 4:58 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

For Sale Sign....
I heard that this morning there was a For Sale Sign that had been placed in Gillispie's yard by a fan gone bad...Now that is just uncalled for and the exact reason why UK fans get a bad reputation!
C....A....T....S CATS CATS CATS

by MartinGolf9 on Nov 8, 2007 4:00 PM EST   0 recs

This is a joke, right?
This is a joke, right? I mean, I hope it is but knowing some UK fans, I have to ask.

by strawmanmunny on Nov 8, 2007 4:34 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Not a Joke....but no pix
No this is not a joke, I have no pictures but will see if I can get some.  I know an official who drove by Gillispie's house, saw the sign...I have no pictures or proof, but his word is good enough for me.
C....A....T....S CATS CATS CATS

by MartinGolf9 on Nov 8, 2007 4:51 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Just sad
Well, that's just sad. I know it can be only a few, but things like that are why we get kicked around so much nationally.

After we reel off several wins, everyone will be saying that we are going to win the NCAA and Gillispie is a GOD. Some of our fans need a healthy dose of perspective.

by strawmanmunny on Nov 8, 2007 5:08 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

That's Definately.....
the truth....it only takes 1 to make everyone look bad.
C....A....T....S CATS CATS CATS

by MartinGolf9 on Nov 9, 2007 8:30 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

As we say on the Internet...
pixplz or it didn't happen. :)
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by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Nov 8, 2007 4:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Fan derangement ...
usually shows up after something like this.

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 8, 2007 4:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

firebilly.com
The Fake Gimel Martinez wrote a very well written post on firebilly.com.  I would suggest everyone take a look at it.
C....A....T....S CATS CATS CATS

by MartinGolf9 on Nov 8, 2007 4:19 PM EST   0 recs

Thanks
I appreciate it. I had to write something, so I didn't think it was all that groundbreaking.
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by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Nov 8, 2007 4:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

BCG
I have to say something personal to set a scene...on Thursdays I am at the computer for hours...and I am a multitasking individual....internet radio on and ESPN on the TV while I am working. Today has been hell. Every single show has made the GW/KY game a hightlight. Mike and Mike talked almost ten minutes. Rome Ranted. Around the Horn has us featured. 1 in 10 as well....and on and on. The overall comements are interesting. Rome said "Billy should know his job is like being on Broadway"...called him Billy Goat on the screen runner. Many themes have been "the storied program"..."the storied arena"...the grandest program in the land in other words. Another theme...."got rid of Tubby" over and over. "Ran off Tubby". "Got rid of Tubby even after he won a national championship". "Pitino down the road must be laughing". "Fans will be fleeing for the mountains" brought the response "...mountains...they already live in the mountains". PTI just started with the story. "Gardner Webb takes down mighty Kentucky". "Significant loss for Kentucky". "Ky can't get up for a team that lost by 53 to NC".  Where have these folks been?  They surely are not educated about Ky or basketball but they are the experts...just listen to them lecture BCG and his lack of judgment or coaching skill. One would think we lost the Final Four. I think if BCG was doing a lesson game then today he is surely regreting the decisions he made last night given the media interest in our embarrassing loss.

by CAWebb on Nov 8, 2007 5:34 PM EST   0 recs

This is so ... unsurprising.
Actually, it has been fun in a weird way watching all these pundits demonstrate complete ignorance for all to see.

We were embarrassed, and now the fans are feeling the embarrassment of an unexpected loss.  It's just a bump in the road, and I am kind of enjoying watching the national sports media make a spectacle of themselves.

For our part, we must find a bit of serenity in all this.  We have been through much tougher times than one loss can ever bring.  Imagine how satisfying it will be when the shoe is on the other foot, as it will be.  Probably sooner, rather than later.

by Truzenzuzex on Nov 8, 2007 6:33 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I like
how Tru and I can respond to the same post and make nearly the same yet different points.
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by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Nov 8, 2007 7:02 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Not surprising
You gotta make snarky comments in sports news/infotainment in order to get the core demographics to keep watching. The "professionalism" of television media is not the same as it was, where subjects are treated with respect, even when investigated.

I'm not surprised, nor offended; and I really hope you don't take what the ranting and raving media says for face value. When Louisville or Duke or any other team loses badly, they get mocked too. Kentucky will have a "off-their-game" tone on every report you see until Kentucky gets into the Final Four. Then we'll be beat over the head with "Kentucky is back!" stories. Sheesh, we never left!
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by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Nov 8, 2007 6:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

BCG
Sorry...I am back. To clear my head I went to read scores. Conn beat Morgan State 69-65. Connecticut hit just four of its first 15 shots and trailed 14-10 eight minutes into the game. Maybe it is just global warming this year...I will exhale now and disengage myself from electronics for the rest of the evening.

by CAWebb on Nov 8, 2007 5:45 PM EST